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JPS
11-08-2005, 10:03 PM
The series history (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/GeorgetownCollege.html) between Kentucky and Georgetown College dates back to the very first game UK participated in. On February 6, 1903, the two teams met in the recently built Barker Hall (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/arenastatecollegegymnasium.html) on the Lexington campus. Georgetown, which had already played a few games that season and had fielded teams in the years prior, won the game 15-6 (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/Games/19030206GeorgetownCollege.html) (according to the Leader or 17-6 according to the Herald).

The Kentucky squad (then known as Kentucky State College) was composed of a group of students who pitched in to buy a $3 ball. For most of the decade, the KSC squad would be managed and run by students. Georgetown apparently had a coach, W.S. Kline, starting in 1904, and perhaps that was the difference as Georgetown won the first six games between the two schools.

Later in the decade Kentucky started to make some in-roads. In 1908, the two teams split and each had a claim to the Kentucky State Championship [which was generally claimed by the school with the best record between KSC, Kentucky University (Transylvania), Georgetown, Central University (Centre College), Kentucky Wesleyan etc.] Kentucky and Georgetown were looking to end up the season in a dead-lock with a third and deciding game promising to break the tie. However, Kentucky was upset by Central. KSC fans were hopeful that they could at least wreck Georgetown's claim to the throne but there is no record that the third game was played.

By the early teens, both squads had head coaches. Kentucky's first coach was Edwin R. Sweetland (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/Coaches/Edwin_R_Sweetland.html), who came to UK from Cornell. Georgetown's coach was Robert Hinton (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/CoachesOpposing/RobertHinton.html), who remained at the school until 1920.

In those days, the local schools had formed a small conference called the K.I.A.A. (Kentucky Intercollegiate Athletic Association). Kentucky was also part of the broader S.I.A.A. (Southern Intercollegiate) which was the precursor of the Souther Conference which eventually changed into the SEC and ACC of today. There was much internal conflict among the K.I.A.A. members with many incidents and accusations of broken contracts, ineligible players, the use of ringers etc. In 1912, Kentucky broke free from the K.I.A.A., claiming they had outgrown the conference which they felt was stacked against their best interests with the little schools banding together against them. Kentucky had just seen Central renege on a promise to play a game in the middle of the season, and this came on the heals of arch-rival Kentucky University (Transylvania) reneging on a three-game commitment which had left Kentucky State scrambling to fill its schedule. The move may have been a preemptive strike by Kentucky as some of the other KIAA schools were readying charges of rules violations by the KSC football and baseball teams.

Regardless of the true reason for the split, Kentucky did not play any other KIAA schools from 1913 until 1916. The KIAA for its part claimed Kentucky owed back membership dues and prevented any of its members from facing the school. The ban was broken only when Louisville wanted to join the league, but also wanted to retain their fledgling relations with Kentucky State College. A compromise was worked out whereby Kentucky repaid their dues and the schools could once again compete if they chose to.

With that, Georgetown and Kentucky restarted their annual games. Kentucky began to steadily win more games in the 1920's as they began to expand beyond their local roots and compete as a major southern college. One example of this expansion can be seen when the two teams faced each other in the first round of the 1922 S.I.A.A. tournament held in Atlanta. The two teams shared a railcar coming down to Atlanta and the victory (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/Games/19220224GeorgetownCollege.html) for the Wildcats allowed them to claim the State Championship, however Kentucky didn't fare so well in the tournament as they were beaten by Mercer in the following game.

In 1924, Kentucky saw the opening of a new gymasnium, Alumni Gym (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/arenaalumnigym.html) (capacity 2800), to hold the ever increasing crowds for basketball. Georgetown followed by building it's own Alumni Gymnasium (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/arenageorgetownalumni.html) in 1926. Incidentally, Georgetown's previous gymnasium (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/arenageorgetowngym.html) (40 x 70 feet with a running floor above) was part of a multi-use building which also served as a chapel, library, office building and meeting hall among other uses. In 1930, while the students were attending service in the chapel, the building caught and fire and burned completely (http://www.georgetowncollege.edu/archives/default1.htm). (read the link for more information on this incident)

http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Graphics/Arenas/georgetowngym_outside.jpg

Original Georgetown Gymnasium

On February 1, 1927, Georgetown beat (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/Games/19270201GeorgetownCollege.html) a hapless Basil Hayden (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/Coaches/Basil_Hayden.html)-coached Wildcat team 26-19. This would be the last time the Tigers would beat the Wildcats, and that year would be the last time Kentucky had a losing record for sixty years. That was also the final time Kentucky would travel to Georgetown for a game; all other games would be played in Lexington.

After that game, it was all Kentucky in the series as the Wildcats under John Mauer (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/Coaches/John_Mauer.html) and later Adolph Rupp (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/Coaches/Adolph_Rupp.html) began to run up large scores on the Tigers. The competition got so lopsided that early in his career, Adolph Rupp likened beating Georgetown to 'shooting squirrels in Woodland Park.'

In fact, Rupp's first game as a Kentucky coach came against Georgetown. The Wildcats unveiled a new 'run and gun' offense and ran away with the game 67-19 (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/Games/19301218GeorgetownCollege.html). Forest "Aggie" Sale led the victors with 19 points, followed closely by "Little" Louis McGinnis who scored 17. High man for the Tigers was Harry Lancaster, who scored 10, over half of his team's points. Lancaster would later become better acquainted with Rupp and eventually became Rupp's assistant coach, right-hand man, and later boss.

Despite Rupp's decree about the ease of playing Georgetown, the two continued to meet during most of the 1930's, usually as the opening game of the season to get his Wildcats tuned up. In the mid-30's, former UK All-American Carey Spicer coached the Tigers, but as with the others, his teams were steam-rolled by the Blue and White.

As the 1930's came to a close, the series was ended. Kentucky was well on its way to becoming a national power and Rupp saw less and less utility for entertaining in-state rivals. The final game against Georgetown came in 1938, a 39-19 victory (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/Games/19381202GeorgetownCollege.html) for the Wildcats. The following year, Kentucky cut ties with Berea which (with the exception of a few games during World War II against local armed services teams) ended the era of in-state regular season competition between Kentucky and its neighbors in the Commonwealth for many decades, until the Louisville Cardinals forced the issue in the 1980's. [By the 1920's, series with Louisville and Centre College went by the wayside. The rivalry with Transylvania was never renewed after the 1912 debacle.]

After the dust had settled, Kentucky's overall record (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/GeorgetownCollege.html) against Georgetown stood at 35-15, which is not half bad for the Tigers considering that to this day, they still have won the most games against UK than any other Kentucky school.

Doug Hardin
11-08-2005, 10:26 PM
I'll add a little to this about what I know from the GC perspective.

The coach you mentioned for GC in the 20s, Robert Hinton, coached football and (I think) a few other sports. Before moving to the new East Campus facilities in the late 1990s, GC's football teamplayed on Hinton Field.

You think of UK as a school that has not had many head coaches over the years (just 5 since Rupp came aboard in the early 1930s). You can say the same about Georgetown, whohas hadonly had three head coaches since the mid-1950s. Bob Davis coached from the mid-1950s until the mid-1970s. Jim Reid took over for him and coached until his death from cancer in 1996. Happy Osborne was an assistant under Reid and took over after Reid's passing. Reid is fondly remembered at GC, and each year GC has an invitational tournament, the Jim Reid Classic, in his honor.

As for recent GC history, the Tigers won the national title in 1998, advanced to the title game in 2000 (I was told this was the first time in the history of any level of college sports that the same school played in the national title game in both football and men's basketball, but I'm not sure that's accurate), and made it to the NAIA's Fab Four (can't call it the Final Four since that's an NCAA trademark) in 2003 and 2004, my junior and senior years there. They've currently been to the national tournament, which consists of 32 teams, for a national record 15 straight seasons. Last year's team made it to the national quarterfinals (Elite Eight) before losing to Carlos Hurt's Robert Morris College team.

JPS
11-08-2005, 10:42 PM
Doug Hardin wrote: I'll add a little to this about what I know from the GC perspective.

The coach you mentioned for GC in the 20s, Robert Hinton, coached football and (I think) a few other sports. Before moving to the new East Campus facilities in the late 1990s, GC's football teamplayed on Hinton Field.




One thing I didn't note above is that during the teens etc., the coaches of the schools not only coached their own teams, but apparently they also were called to officiate the games of their conference rivals. So for example the Centre coach might officiate a game between UK and Georgetown, while the Georgetown coach migh officiate a game between UK and Centre etc. Generally, it was these coaches who were called upon when it came time to name the top players in the league.

I would like to get a photo of these guys, especially someone like Hinton who was around for a while. If anyone can help, let me know.

Jon

VIIBanners
11-09-2005, 10:11 AM
It's a shame that building burned down.It was anice piece of architecture.

The Old School JPS
11-10-2005, 08:46 AM
JPS, you mention:

"Kentucky's first coach was Edwin R. Sweetland (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/Coaches/Edwin_R_Sweetland.html), who came to UK from Cornell."

I notice that your post and your site do not credit W.W.H. Mustaine as the first UK coach. What's the story there? Do you consider him to only have been an administrator who did not coach on the floor or in practices?

Odd that UK's first apparent actual coach comes fromCornell, one of so few Division IA teams to currently have a winning record against the Wildcats.

JPS
11-10-2005, 05:13 PM
The Old School JPS wrote:
JPS, you mention:

"Kentucky's first coach was Edwin R. Sweetland (http://www.ukfans.net/jps/uk/Statistics/Coaches/Edwin_R_Sweetland.html), who came to UK from Cornell."

I notice that your post and your site do not credit W.W.H. Mustaine as the first UK coach.Â* What's the story there?Â* Do you consider him to only have been an administrator who did not coach on the floor or in practices?Â*

Odd that UK's first apparent actual coach comes fromÂ*Cornell, one of so few Division IA teams to currently have a winning record against the Wildcats.Â*Â*

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Mustaine was the head of the phys ed. department and was an administrator but did not actually coach (or even take much of an interest) in the basketball team. He did referee some games from time to time though. (At that time, schools generally provided their own referees and umpires)

Jon