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CARDSRTOAST

09-04-2006, 10:35 AM

baldcat wrote: As long as people show up in droves to support this garbage and the money keeps flowing in from those very same fans, no AD is gonna do squat.

CARDSRTOAST wrote:
It is up to the AD to fire coaches..It is up to fans to support our players..Uavel almost gave up football they were so bad..always light at the end of tunnel.I disagree...We lost 2500 Season Ticket Holders this year a lot of K-Fund $$$ Mitch will pull the plug if they don't win 6...

CATHYnKY

09-04-2006, 11:03 AM

CARDSRTOAST wrote: Til you pry my Season Tickets outta my cold dead hands..Never.A UK fan is there all the time.End of Statement..:thumbup
Me too.

allen

09-04-2006, 11:38 AM

me too!!!:)

Mackcat

09-04-2006, 11:48 AM

If you ask for a pennie, then that is what you will get.

BigBlue75

09-04-2006, 12:14 PM

CATHYnKY wrote: CARDSRTOAST wrote: Til you pry my Season Tickets outta my cold dead hands..Never.A UK fan is there all the time.End of Statement..:thumbup
Me too.
Add me to that list.

bamacat

09-04-2006, 12:45 PM

BigBlue75 wrote: CATHYnKY wrote: CARDSRTOAST wrote: Til you pry my Season Tickets outta my cold dead hands..Never.A UK fan is there all the time.End of Statement..:thumbup
Me too.
Add me to that list.
Add me also....

Russ24ky

09-04-2006, 12:47 PM

ME TOO!!!

Mountain Cat

09-04-2006, 01:02 PM

If the fans showed 100% boycott on attendance for one week, the AD would fire Brooks.

Josh

09-04-2006, 01:10 PM

I'll never give up on the team. Will always root for them. But I do believe that a change needs to be made. I thought that Brooks should have been gone after last season. Many say that he should have the benefit of the doubt because of scholarship limitations. Maybe. But scholarship limitations to me, do not warrant a 31-0 Louisville lead and a 59-28 drilling by our little brother.

There just comes a point when you say that this guy isn't right for the program. I know that Brooks is a good guy. And while he is at Kentucky, I'll continue to hope that he can get the team to be prepared and come out fighting and hopefully we can win some games.

Go Big Blue!

UKHAS7NCAA

09-04-2006, 01:55 PM

Wildcat Blue thru & thru. Thanks to everyone for a great time at the party last night(well, atleast till the game started).:blush:

Terry L. Wildcat

09-04-2006, 02:02 PM

TrueblueCATfan wrote: we can't give up on the kids...........they deserve BETTER
:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup

Spanish Moss

09-04-2006, 02:27 PM

I am not worried about the fans giving up. We will be there to support our university. But I think the coaching staff gave up a long time ago and I only see a few football players who really lay it on the line week after week.

Bottom line, if the team performed as well as the fans and supported the team as well as the fans, we would be a contender for the SEC championship. Kentucky fans may be the only fans on earth who would support this type of a program week after week.

CatFanInGtown

09-04-2006, 03:04 PM

TrueblueCATfan wrote: we can't give up on the kids...........they deserve BETTERThey deserve our full support. One game does not a season make. I'm driving 800+ miles this weekend to back these kids. Be there and let them know you are behind them.

poodoo

09-04-2006, 05:10 PM

bamacat wrote: BigBlue75 wrote: CATHYnKY wrote: CARDSRTOAST wrote: Til you pry my Season Tickets outta my cold dead hands..Never.A UK fan is there all the time.End of Statement..:thumbup
Me too.
Add me to that list.
Add me also....

Add me to the list, too. :cool:

Also, counting now taking the dog to the dog-sitter :lol:, wewill beon the road about eleven hours to see the Wildcats at Commonwealth. Have I even considered not showing up Saturday? Are you kidding!!!:)GO CATS!

poodoo

09-04-2006, 05:15 PM

CatFanInGtown wrote: TrueblueCATfan wrote: we can't give up on the kids...........they deserve BETTERThey deserve our full support. One game does not a season make. I'm driving 800+ miles this weekend to back these kids. Be there and let them know you are behind them.

Absolutely! Too, I'm impressed, CatFanInGtown, that's even more miles than we travel. Also, as both of you are saying, BACK THESE KIDS. Let them know that you are BEHIND THEM.

Like CARDSRTOAST said, if this staff does not produce at least five or six wins this season, Mitch Barnhart will get a new coach. I really believe that. All we fans need to worry about is SUPPORTING THESE KIDS. Give up? No way. :)

CATHYnKY

09-04-2006, 05:30 PM

What kind of a message would boycotting a game send to the players. The coaches will be taken care of if this year is a total bust. The players do NOT deserve to come out to an empty stadium. And this....if you come to boo, stay home.

allen

09-04-2006, 08:13 PM

i agree you 100% you right on ,go cats

ukfanman

09-05-2006, 03:10 AM

I've be a UK fan since 1962. I have never gave up. And never will.

It just doesn't work that way with me.

blueheretic

09-05-2006, 07:28 AM

CARDSRTOAST wrote: Til you pry my Season Tickets outta my cold dead hands..Never.A UK fan is there all the time.End of Statement..:thumbup

This is why you will always have a "Rich Brooks" in charge of UK Football. The UKAA knows that you will purchase those tickets and attend those games no matter what they put on the field.

Why bother? Even if they don't build it, you will come.

UK Football: Home of the Fanatical Sucker

ukbob

09-05-2006, 08:09 AM

The players deserve the support, not the derisivness, boos or empty seats. They also deserve better coaches, but that will have to be dealt with after the season.

It is not a matter of giving up. Nobody really totally gives up in all aspects.

As for me...I give up on this staff. But the players get my support. However, it is my hope the staff improves enough to give those kids the best opportunity to succeed. With that, wins will happen.

In other words, I support the whole program and will watch and cheer as always. But if we gave the boot to the whole bunch at year's end, it would not bother me in the least.

Mark Blueblood

09-05-2006, 08:24 AM

Well bob, I agree with a lot of your post, but I'm not totally on your side...yet. However, you are absolutely right - these players deserve our support and if you either fail to show up or boo when you do, then you're not just making a statement to the coaching staff, you're failing to support the players as well.

There are those who claim players can differentiate between a "boo" for them and one for the coaches. Yeah....right.

Hey - we've got 11 games to play. Let's get behind these guys and see what they can do. The season is a long way from over.

At least for me. See ya on Saturday!

CATHYnKY

09-05-2006, 08:38 AM

blueheretic wrote: tickets and attend those games no matter what they put on the field.

Why bother? Even if they don't build it, you will come.

UK Football: Home of the Fanatical Sucker

Yep. Fanatical Sucker here.Even if they don't build it, I will come. I hear you aren't going to the UF game now. Even thought you are calling me names ;), I was looking forward to seeing you again.

poodoo

09-05-2006, 03:55 PM

CATHYnKY wrote: What kind of a message would boycotting a game send to the players. The coaches will be taken care of if this year is a total bust. The players do NOT deserve to come out to an empty stadium. And this....if you come to boo, stay home.
:thumbup, Cathy! :)

poodoo

09-05-2006, 04:01 PM

As for me...I give up on this staff. But the players get my support. However, it is my hope the staff improves enough to give those kids the best opportunity to succeed. With that, wins will happen. QUOTE by ukbob

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You know, Bob, that you still have HOPE that the "staff improves enough to give those kids the best opportunity to succeed" is a clue that you have not TOTALLY given up on this staff. Yes, you're close, but even a little glimmer of HOPE is not giving up on this staff by my definition of "giving up," at least. :)

Most of all, though, I so agree with your post that it is about giving the kids our support. As I just posted on another thread, Mitch Barnhart is DETERMINED to have a winning football program here at UK. We fans do not need to worry about the coaching situation. We do not have to boycott games or boo for Barnhart to make any necessary move. The team will start performing as most of us expect it to perform (and it wasn't even remotely close to our expectations Sunday night), or this coaching staff will be gone. I believe that with all my heart.

surveyor

09-05-2006, 04:02 PM

poodoo wrote: CATHYnKY wrote: What kind of a message would boycotting a game send to the players. The coaches will be taken care of if this year is a total bust. The players do NOT deserve to come out to an empty stadium. And this....if you come to boo, stay home.
:thumbup, Cathy! :)
Here, here.

Also, kudos to CRT (:shock:) for the sentiment in the starting post.

That the schedule was set up to give the coaching staff the best possible chance at a winning season THIS year is evidence that their time is up if they fail - REGARDLESS of whether the fans fill the seats or not.
5 wins or less, and they're out on their arse - at least that's MHO.
So, we the fans should continue to show up in droves to support the players.

ANY OTHER FAN BASE were to boycott, we'd deride them as fair weather fans..........

Mackcat

09-05-2006, 04:56 PM

Why would a fan give up? I mean it's notlike you are going to stop being a UK fan. I don't think walk up sales for Texas State will be big, maybe outside of the stadium where they will be going cheap. As far as season ticket holders go, which I think a lot of people on sights like this are, the tickets are already paid for, and its not like there are a ton of entertainment choices in hot old lex Ky at 6.00pm on Saturday night. It does not take that much to keep clapping and yelling or whatever you do. All that said, if things keep heading south, and I'm not convinced yet they will, that Louisiana-Monroe game in November could have all time low attendance.

bleedbluelady

09-05-2006, 05:03 PM

These players, this team has won my heart. These next two games are HUGE. I will be there giving them my love. I think our record will dictate who our coaches are next year, not attendance. I will be there for my boys.

poodoo

09-06-2006, 10:51 PM

bleedbluelady wrote: These players, this team has won my heart. These next two games are HUGE. I will be there giving them my love. I think our record will dictate who our coaches are next year, not attendance. I will be there for my boys.

DITTO, bleedbluelady. Well-said.

This team haswon my heart, too (even though they did not perform as I had hoped against Louisville). I will also be there for "my guys,"giving them my love, beginning with Saturday's Cat Walk. POEKLM, KendyCat, and Jordan, and hopefully Cathy and others, get ready to joinme and bleedbluelady.:D

Spanish Moss

09-07-2006, 06:56 AM

ukbob wrote: The players deserve the support, not the derisivness, boos or empty seats. They also deserve better coaches, but that will have to be dealt with after the season.

It is not a matter of giving up. Nobody really totally gives up in all aspects.

As for me...I give up on this staff. But the players get my support. However, it is my hope the staff improves enough to give those kids the best opportunity to succeed. With that, wins will happen.

In other words, I support the whole program and will watch and cheer as always. But if we gave the boot to the whole bunch at year's end, it would not bother me in the least.

This post is so well written it needs to come back to the top so we can read it again.

Our discontent is not with the players, it is with a staff who we all know does not have the team ready to play. For four years we have not been ready to play against a quality opponent OR an inferior opponent. And the Lord knows few teams have been inferior during that period. Very few.

The coaches are paid to have the team prepared. When players admit they were not prepared to play, I question the coaches.

poodoo

09-07-2006, 03:10 PM

Our discontent is not with the players, it is with a staff who we all know does not have the team ready to play. For four years we have not been ready to play against a quality opponent OR an inferior opponent. And the Lord knows few teams have been inferior during that period. Very few. QUOTE by Spanish Moss

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Yes, we have not been ready to play in FAR too many games, I admit. However, we have also been ready to play against quite a few quality opponents (although less oftenagainst the inferior ones, in my opinion), but have wilted away in the fourth quarter. Afew games that especially come to mind are our performances against Florida in Brooks' first year, our performance against UT his second year, and even against a bowl-bound vandy team last season.

Regardless, that is not an excuse for Sunday's performance. We were not really ready to play, in my opinion (even though Jacob Tamme insists that theywere prepared). That performance cannot be defended, BUT things, overall,are not as bad as they are currently being painted, in my opinion. The truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.

BowlingGreenUKGrad

09-07-2006, 06:23 PM

poodoo wrote: even against a bowl-bound vandy team last season.

Vandy only won five games last year and did not go to a bowl.

Spanish Moss

09-07-2006, 06:29 PM

BowlingGreenUKGrad wrote: poodoo wrote: even against a bowl-bound vandy team last season.

Vandy only won five games last year and did not go to a bowl.

lol But they did beat Tennessee. :) :) :)

Will Lavender

09-07-2006, 06:33 PM

I think the "If we boycotted Kentucky football, would that improve it?" question is an interesting one.

I don't know if it would work or not. I don't like going to football games very much anyway, so I guess I've always been on a boycott. But it's an interesting thing to discuss, and I would think that if we see the same kind of effort for the rest of the season as we did Sunday, the boycott -- at least on a small scale -- will be on.

I wonder, though, if kids in high school would see that boycott and wonderif the fans are justarrogant, or if they might wonder if the fans might turn on them if they choose to come to UK. A lot of these kids have no idea how steeped in misery the UK football tradition actually is.

RedandBlackATTACK

09-07-2006, 09:57 PM

These players, this team has won my heart

Not mine, not yet anyway with few exceptions. I can handle a team going down fighting and scrapping but to be brutally honest, I did not see that last Sunday. I don't think Rich Brooks did either or he would not have demoted a half dozen starters.

I find it very difficult to criticize any amateur athlete, I just don't believe it's right and I have never given the Bronx Cheer to any as well.

However, with that being said, Mitch commented after the game that student athletes have an obligation to perform to the best of their abilities and I would strongly concur with that statement.

Admittedly, I am not a big "hoops" guy. However, some of Denny's last teams were so bad, I couldn't watch them. They lacked hustle, desire and in some cases were just plain "bad apples" on and off the court. These guys didn't deserve to wear the same uniform that Wes Unseld, Butch Beard, Dr. Mike Lawhon and others had in worn in the past. I lostinterest in the program and really never "went back".

I am not comparing the above to the current state of UK Football. Rich Brooks, IMO, is an honorable and decent man most probably just not a very good football coach. Denny, on the other hand, just got lazy and compromised standards because of it.

There is a lot of football left to be played and maybe these guys will turn it around but I am not yet prepared to say they have won over my heart.

Rick

C-Bus

Mackcat

09-07-2006, 10:43 PM

At this point in time, other than wearing Kentucky on the jersey, what has this team done to win anybodys' heart?

TrueblueCATfan

09-07-2006, 11:01 PM

well Keenan Burton won my heart Sunday night...what a classy young man....he put his heart and soul on and off the field

UedK

09-07-2006, 11:36 PM

Will Lavender wrote: I think the "If we boycotted Kentucky football, would that improve it?" question is an interesting one.

I don't know if it would work or not.

Back in '95' we had a little over 25,000 at the Cincinnati game. In '96' we had 26,500 show up for the Mississippi State game, one week after we beat Georgia. The MS game being after the firing of Curry.

This was at the end of the Bill Curry misery. And a good two to three years past when the man should have been let go.

Everyone talks about fan attendance as a protest. I really don't think it's a protest thing. Most fans, I believe, just get worn down, loose their enthusiasm and place the games lower on the list of what to do with their precious time.

Protest or not, attendance is a clear signal of the state of the fans attitude regarding the program. If the remainder of the season is a continuation of last Sundays pitiful showing the attendance will steadily decline and a clear signal will be sent, regardless of the reasons for people staying home.

CARDSRTOAST

09-08-2006, 07:23 AM

UedK wrote: Will Lavender wrote: I think the "If we boycotted Kentucky football, would that improve it?" question is an interesting one.

I don't know if it would work or not.

Back in '95' we had a little over 25,000 at the Cincinnati game. In '96' we had 26,500 show up for the Mississippi State game, one week after we beat Georgia. The MS game being after the firing of Curry.

This was at the end of the Bill Curry misery. And a good two to three years past when the man should have been let go.

Everyone talks about fan attendance as a protest. I really don't think it's a protest thing. Most fans, I believe, just get worn down, loose their enthusiasm and place the games lower on the list of what to do with their precious time.

Protest or not, attendance is a clear signal of the state of the fans attitude regarding the program. If the remainder of the season is a continuation of last Sundays pitiful showing the attendance will steadily decline and a clear signal will be sent, regardless of the reasons for people staying home.

Amen Ed..Coach Rupp said "Losing records don't fire coaches..empty seats do"

heatwave13

09-08-2006, 07:34 AM

Empty seats and not enough "W's" on the record are often the coach-killers. But, some will argue, "what about Miami Hurricanes?" They often have pathetic attendance and play in a half-empty orange bowl, but, then again, they pile up lots of wins.

I wonder how low attendance would affect the morale of the coaches/players? Would the team use that as motivation? Do they care if we show up for the games or not?

I'm not giving up either, but, as the same old, same old marches on,I probably won't make the long drive to attend as many games as I used to.

poodoo

09-08-2006, 02:33 PM

These players, this team has won my heart

Not mine, not yet anyway with few exceptions. QUOTE by R&B.-

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Now, R&B, of course, these players have not won YOUR heart. You are a Louisville fan! :ggrin:

Seriously, though, I do understand the point you were making. Now let me explain bleedbluelady's post and my DITTO or whatever.

We have both met a lot of these players. As Coach Brooks has said, they are such a NICE group of guys. Now bleedbluelady and I are obviously female and probably consider what these young men are as people more than guys, in general,tend to do. :)

I have also read so many quotes from these players (including many in this year's Cats' Pause Yearbook. Guy after guy has such a great attitude and thinks of this football team as a FAMILY and is thinking so much more of the TEAM, something that has not always been the case.

Now, true, they have won my heart with their play on the field (besides Burton and Woodyard and a few others). Yet, I have been so impressed with the young men I have met. As former UK and Patriots linebacker Marty Moore said, though, they must get NASTY in playing football (as he was very disappointed in the softness they showed Louisville). One positive to be said for them on the field, though, is that they at least did NOT QUIT, unlike many of our fans right now, to be honest (although I can at the same time understand that reaction from our fans after the disappointing play).

Regardless, this "momma" is pulling for these guys with all my heart, just as bleedbluelady is. Too, I like that we are standing up for these guys ata time when many are already giving up on them, in addition to the coaching staff. These guys are GOOD YOUNG MEN and need our support, Cat fans.

bleedbluelady

09-10-2006, 06:50 PM

R & B, I understand your point andagree that respect is earned.Poodoo answered what I meant. As I told herSaturday, shecan speak for me anytime.She speaks for me better than I speak for myself. :thumbup:)

I was in my seat (well, actually I was standing in front of my seat;)) until the final horn last night. I'm so glad I did. It's my belief that EVERY player on the team (not just the starters) needsthe fanscheering them on. Many of the guys who played the last 5 minutes of the game playedhis firstcollege game. That's a BIG DEAL to them and they area big part of thefuture ofour program. As long as the players are giving it all they have, I want them toknow the fans are behind them and this program.

ukfanman

09-10-2006, 07:46 PM

I have been a UK football fan since 1962. And if anybody has a reason to cry and moan, it's me.

I got on the bandwagon during Blanton Collier, I'm still on it with Brooks.

I stick with my team. don't like fair weather fans, and when I am gone, I will still be True Blue.

poodoo

09-11-2006, 10:03 PM

bleedbluelady wrote: R & B, I understand your point andagree that respect is earned.Poodoo answered what I meant. As I told herSaturday, shecan speak for me anytime.She speaks for me better than I speak for myself. :thumbup:)

I was in my seat (well, actually I was standing in front of my seat;)) until the final horn last night. I'm so glad I did. It's my belief that EVERY player on the team (not just the starters) needsthe fanscheering them on. Many of the guys who played the last 5 minutes of the game playedhis firstcollege game. That's a BIG DEAL to them and they area big part of thefuture ofour program. As long as the players are giving it all they have, I want them toknow the fans are behind them and this program.

I laughed when I read your post, bleedbluelady.Poor Mr. Poodoo had wanted to leave with a little less than a minute. I wouldn't leave, of course, until that final play. I would have loved to have stayed and applauded the players, too, but Iran out as thefinal horn sounded, as I figured I waspushing it. :ggrin:Yes, it was about supporting those players, including those who rarely see action.

We always move down closer to the field in the waning minutes if a lot of fans have left, though, so that we are nexyt to the exit and cansave some time by running to the car and getting ahead of the traffic. I really felt a little bad by not leaving early that night after the later start, though,especially asMr. Poodoo had five and a half hours of drivingfacing him. :(Bless his heart, though.He knows how muchstaying to the end for those guys means to me, and he, perhapsa little begrudingly :),does it for me. :thumbupto Mr. Poodoo.