Brooks Must Make Some Decisions

[baldcat]

First he must dump Archer ASAP and either give one of the other assistants a shot or assumbe the job himself.

Seriously....how can it get any worse.

Second....Joker Phillips is a good guy, but he is one of the biggest disasters ever to sit in a press box and call plays. Take the play calling away from him and give Sanders a shot.The day is coming whenJoker and Eliot Uzelac will be mentioned in the same breath.

Third.....Some of the guys that started the UL game need to be sent so far down the depth chart the only way they will ever seen another down of action would be for a cholera outbreak to occur. Hayden Lane springs to mind.

Just a the inchoherent ramblings of a guy who loves UK football andwho's tired of being humiliated on national TV.

[Brian McCat]

baldcat wrote: First he must dump Archer ASAP and either give one of the other assistants a shot or assumbe the job himself.

Seriously....how can it get any worse.

Second....Joker Phillips is a good guy, but he is one of the biggest disasters ever to sit in a press box and call plays. Take the play calling away from him and give Sanders a shot.The day is coming whenJoker and Eliot Uzelac will be mentioned in the same breath.

Third.....Some of the guys that started the UL game need to be sent so far down the depth chart the only way they will ever seen another down of action would be for a cholera outbreak to occur. Hayden Lane springs to mind.

Just a the inchoherent ramblings of a guy who loves UK football andwho's tired of being humiliated on national TV.


#1= What's wrong with the defense can't be fixed this season. Firing Archer after the first game will only compound the problems.

#2- I love Joker, too, but an SEC OC, he is not. Sanders failed as an OC, too, so I don't see how having him call the plays is a good thing.

#3- is easily fixable, and we will see changes for the second game.

I'm sick and tired of the humiliation, too, baldcat. It's not just the losses. It's the sheer humiliation of getting t-boned on national TV. Even the announcers were struggling to say anything positive about Kentucky last night.

[Russ24ky]

There must be changes but let's see if they get made1st before quitting and throwing in the towelafter the 1st game.

I wanted to win but if we had kicked a field goal to win it with no time on the clock would you be saying the same thing right now.. (you will say yes but I will call bunk)

[Brian McCat]

Russ24ky wrote: Quitters..
Russ, nobody said anything about quitting. If you don't agree with the message, don't resort to name-calling.

[baldcat]

It's realy hard to be a Pollyanna after witnessing one of the most monumental *** whippings ever laid on a Kentucky team.

Please Russ......try and defend Archer after last night.

Russ24ky wrote:
Quitters..

[Russ24ky]

I edited my post after posting.. RE READ ..

I call them as I seem them is all ..

70-7 Florida 1996 comes to mind as worse..We lost to the #13 team and you guys are making it sound like we lost to Montanna St..

(I know we do play Texas St Saturday)

We can't make drastic changes (like you said just yet).. Joker has hadequilivent to ONE SEASONas OCand you alreadywanthimout.. no your not quitting on this team

[delkfor3]

baldcat wrote: First he must dump Archer ASAP and either give one of the other assistants a shot or assumbe the job himself.

Seriously....how can it get any worse.

Second....Joker Phillips is a good guy, but he is one of the biggest disasters ever to sit in a press box and call plays. Take the play calling away from him and give Sanders a shot.The day is coming whenJoker and Eliot Uzelac will be mentioned in the same breath.

Third.....Some of the guys that started the UL game need to be sent so far down the depth chart the only way they will ever seen another down of action would be for a cholera outbreak to occur. Hayden Lane springs to mind.

Just a the inchoherent ramblings of a guy who loves UK football andwho's tired of being humiliated on national TV.

Honestly Bald, we arebetter off with no changes being made now, all it would do is give the UK administration a reason to give RB yet another year. I want Brooks gone at the end of the season, I don't care if we win out, Brooks HAS to go. THe man has worn out his welcome at UK.:thumbdown

[Buddah]

delkfor3 wrote:
baldcat wrote: First he must dump Archer ASAP and either give one of the other assistants a shot or assumbe the job himself.

Seriously....how can it get any worse.

Second....Joker Phillips is a good guy, but he is one of the biggest disasters ever to sit in a press box and call plays.Â* Take the play calling away from him and give Sanders a shot.Â*The day is coming whenÂ*Joker and Eliot Uzelac will be mentioned in the same breath.

Third.....Some of the guys that started the UL game need to be sent so far down the depth chart the only way they will ever seen another down of action would be for a cholera outbreak to occur.Â* Hayden Lane springs to mind.

Just a the inchoherent ramblings of a guy who loves UK football andÂ*who's tired of being humiliated on national TV.

Honestly Bald, we areÂ*better off with no changes being made now, all it would do is give the UK administration a reason to give RB yet another year. I want Brooks gone at the end of the season, I don't care if we win out, Brooks HAS to go. THe man has worn out his welcome at UK.:thumbdown

i agree delk, 1000000 percent... changes would only allow a retaining the status quo, if things continue this way.. leave everyone in.. i do agree on joker and archer and stated as much as was banished on the old site and was raked under the coals by a poster called frank the tank from richmond, i will never forget that as long as i live. in retrospect, it seems it was the correct assesment. both phillips and archer coached under bill curry, what did you think would change. joker phillips should be recruiting cord or probably a public relations guy, he really isn't the mensa that most think of him as... he is NOWHERE ready for anything, let alone a head coaching position. to me has sponged off this unversity good graces.. if the staff isn't retained, he can go with them in my opinion.

[baldcat]

You make a valid point, delk.

I'm just a guy who's shell shocked...stumbling around grasping at straws looking for an answer.

I've tried to be patient with the old man but last night was the last straw.

As for Archer, I've wanted him gone since the first season. Buddha can probably back me on that if he reads this thread.

[Russ24ky]

Bald.. Ill give ya Archer's gameplan, (But did you expect a reverse on the 1st play for 48yards .. I was thinking play action to Bush and over the top) but let see what happens.

Adjustments were made during the game and we were back intothe gamelet's see if they can be made on the season.

We have 11 games still

[Buddah]

yes sir you have, and you have been patient. archer is a joke, he was a curry minion, same with phillips and some were under the delusion that things would be different this time. there are usually no second acts in life, unless it is former curry coaches then we can act out the exact same thing that happened before, to a tee...

i will say it over and over, you have to have a coach that does more with less ( o and d) or we will never have a winning team...

[BigblueDrew]

baldcat wrote: You make a valid point, delk.

I'm just a guy who's shell shocked...stumbling around grasping at straws looking for an answer.

I've tried to be patient with the old man but last night was the last straw.

As for Archer, I've wanted him gone since the first season. Buddha can probably back me on that if he reads this thread.

I think last night was the last straw for many of us. I will tell you guys to relax. Based on what I saw last night this will all take care of itself as the season plays out. If you didn't like what UofLdid to us wait and see what Georgia, Florida and Tennessee do. At that point Barnhart will have no choice but act.

[Buddah]

Russ24ky wrote:


Adjustments were made during the game and we were back intoÂ*the game.



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was this before louisville scored fifty or just thirty ?

[Russ24ky]

We were down by 17 with 10 minutes in the 3rd and had the ball..(should have punted)

We were knocked around but not out..

YOUR RIGHT.. ILL TURN IN MY TICKETS .. IM GIVING UPTOO.. NO HOPE FOR THIS TEAM.. (COACHES ARE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE TEAM)

Bing on Basketball... What we lost to NorthCarolina again.. OHH NO...FIRE them ALL

I quit... Bring on Baseball.... What we did notmake theNCAA .. Fire them all'

KIDS ARE GVING THERE ALL FOR THIS TEAM AND YOU WANTTHEM TO READ

FIRE THIS COACH ALREADY.... Niiiice..I knownobody SAID quitting but theycan pick it up by your post.. they do come here.. #8 was here the Monday after fan day..(forgot name .. sorry )

[Buddah]

Russ24ky wrote:
We were down by 17 with 10 minutes in the 3rd and had the ball..(should have punted)

We were knocked around but not out..

YOUR RIGHT.. ILL TURN IN MY TICKETSÂ* .. IM GIVING UPÂ*TOOÂ*.. NO HOPE FOR THIS TEAM.. (COACHES ARE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE TEAM)

Bing on Basketball... What we lost to NorthÂ*Carolina again.. OHH NO...FIRE them ALL

I quit... Bring on Baseball.... What we did notÂ*make theÂ*NCAAÂ* .. Fire them all'

KIDS ARE GVING THERE ALL FOR THIS TEAM AND YOU WANTÂ*THEM TO READ

FIRE THIS COACH ALREADYÂ*.... Niiiice..Â*I knowÂ*nobody SAID quitting but theyÂ*can pick it upÂ* by your post.. they do come here.. #8 was here the Monday after fan day..(forgot nameÂ* .. sorry )



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i am sure if the players talked to you in private, they would probably welcome a change.... are we supposed to have strawberry sundaees and act like as if everything was okay... i just can't be an enabler of this type of peformance. the fact of the matter is, there were no adjustements, louisville dominated us in the first half and the second half. the refs helped us a few times, but the defense stunk all night..we will see what the remainder of the season holds, have an easy schedule and we should go to a bowl game.

[delkfor3]

BigblueDrew wrote: If you didn't like what UofLdid to us wait and see what Georgia, Florida and Tennessee do. At that point Barnhart will have no choice but act.
I don't even wanna think about those games right now, last night was bad enough.:shock:

[SCBlu]

Here's an amazing stat I read this morning.....UK's longest drive lasted all of 6 plays! That's got to be an NCAA record of futility. SIX PLAYS!!!!!

[Aike]

Agreed. You have to start by doing more with less. The excitement generated by doing more with less attracts the type of talent needed to level the playing field.
Buddah wrote: i will say it over and over, you have to have a coach that does more with less ( o and d) or we will never have a winning team...

[Russ24ky]

Guys Im not saying it was not ugly..it was..but im not throwing in the towel Sept 4..

You can if you want.. but im not.. when we have 7 losses I will but not 1

(I HAVE TALKED TO ONE OF THE PLAYERS BY THE WAY)

[Caveman Catfan]

Phillips was a Curry "minion?" Archer?

What is with the harsh pathetic rhetoric. Joker is a class guy that I think most people would like to see do well. If you don't think he is a good OC, just say so. But why feel the need to call him such a pejorative names?

I doubt there is a coach in the country that would not like Joker on his staff. Save the "minion" talk for the political board where such silly rhetoric is unfortunately expected.

[Caveman Catfan]

Buddah wrote: yes sir you have, and you have been patient. archer is a joke, he was a curry minion, same with phillips and some were under the delusion that things would be different this time. there are usually no second acts in life, unless it is former curry coaches then we can act out the exact same thing that happened before, to a tee...

i will say it over and over, you have to have a coach that does more with less ( o and d) or we will never have a winning team...
If there are no second acts, why would you consider Erickson as an HC. He has failed in other places. Why would we want him to come here and fail (by your logic)?

[delkfor3]

Russ24ky wrote: Guys Im not saying it was not ugly..it was..but im not throwing in the towel Sept 4..

You can if you want.. but im not.. when we have 7 losses I will but not 1

(I HAVE TALKED TO ONE OF THE PLAYERS BY THE WAY)



Nor am I, but Brooks has to go. It won't get any better, with that said I bleed blue and always will, but that doesn't mean that we have accept the crap that Mitch and Rich keep shoving down our throats. If the status quo is fine with you, then great, but it's not for me. After four years it isas clear as the nose on your face, that UK football will never improve with RB roamingthe sidelines.

[gerntz]

Aike wrote: Agreed. You have to start by doing more with less. The excitement generated by doing more with less attracts the type of talent needed to level the playing field.
Buddah wrote: i will say it over and over, you have to have a coach that does more with less ( o and d) or we will never have a winning team...
Both are spot on. That's how you rise. It also implies a superior coaching staff. I've seen nothing in 3+ seasons to say this staff is that. Thye have some excellent qualities, particularly of taking on a near-suicide mission. I think they're at the brink of that suicide.

[Buddah]

Caveman Catfan wrote:
Phillips was a Curry "minion?"Â* Archer?

What is with the harsh pathetic rhetoric.Â* Joker is a class guy that I think most people would like to see do well.Â* If you don't think he is a good OC, just say so.Â* But why feel the need to call him such a pejorative names?Â*

I doubt there is a coach in the country that would not like Joker on his staff.Â* Save the "minion" talk for the political board where such silly rhetoric is unfortunately expected.


class guys don't equal wins. he is way in over his head.. he and archer were former curry coaches, how is that ? same results as before ? if you keep the status quo and coaches who coached under an even worse coach than this one, high probabilty states that we will proabably have the same result.. if the staff is replaced, send joker packing as well. i have always said he gets a free pass on most everything, let him go as well.

[gerntz]

baldcat wrote: First he must dump Archer ASAP and either give one of the other assistants a shot or assumbe the job himself.

Seriously....how can it get any worse.

Second....Joker Phillips is a good guy, but he is one of the biggest disasters ever to sit in a press box and call plays. Take the play calling away from him and give Sanders a shot.The day is coming whenJoker and Eliot Uzelac will be mentioned in the same breath.

Third.....Some of the guys that started the UL game need to be sent so far down the depth chart the only way they will ever seen another down of action would be for a cholera outbreak to occur. Hayden Lane springs to mind.

Just a the inchoherent ramblings of a guy who loves UK football andwho's tired of being humiliated on national TV.
If the HC must change both his OC & DC, what's he doing being the HC? Why not just go there?

[Caveman Catfan]

Buddah wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote:
Phillips was a Curry "minion?" Archer?

What is with the harsh pathetic rhetoric. Joker is a class guy that I think most people would like to see do well. If you don't think he is a good OC, just say so. But why feel the need to call him such a pejorative names?

I doubt there is a coach in the country that would not like Joker on his staff. Save the "minion" talk for the political board where such silly rhetoric is unfortunately expected.


class guys don't equal wins. he is way in over his head.. he and archer were former curry coaches, how is that ? same results as before ? if you keep the status quo and coaches who coached under an even worse coach than this one, high probabilty states that we will proabably have the same result.. if the staff is replaced, send joker packing as well. i have always said he gets a free pass on most everything, let him go as well.

Fine. So, comment on his coaching without the childish name calling.

And, he has not received a free pass on recruiting. The guy is the real deal when it comes to recruiting. I bet Bobby Petrino, Charlie Weis, Steve Spurrier, Mike Leach, etc. would love to give Joker a job.

Joker has worked hard to gain a very positive reputation in the coaching world. I am not sure why you contend he has received a free pass.

[bleedbluelady]

Buddah wrote: i am sure if the players talked to you in private, they would probably welcome a change....
Buddah, you are wrong about this. The players really do like this staff and want them to stay and succeed. Having said that ,there is no way I can defend what happened last night.

[Russ24ky]

Look, if we go 3-9, 4-8, and yes 5-7 it's time for a change, I thought we were gonna win.. I told all my co worker's WERE GONNA PULL THE UPSET and now Ill eat crow tomorrow at the bank. But don't PANIC YET... Let's see what adjustments are made 1st... If none are made and were giving up 600 yards a game.. HAVE AT IT gripe away and God Bless ya .. but please guys.. This team needs our support and saying anything bad about anybody after the 1st game of the season is not going to help.

I have not had the same seatsin the same section for 33 years by giving up.

Maybe im in a daze but I LOVE UK FOOTBALL and I will support this team this year (Including coaches until we have 7 losses and if I see improvement in players AND coaches I will support them until administration feels it's time for a change not after 1 loss with 11 games to go after losing to the #13 team in the nation)

[Buddah]

bleedbluelady wrote:
Buddah wrote: i am sure if the players talked to you in private, they would probably welcome a change....Â*
Buddah, you are wrong about this.Â* The players really do like this staff and want them to stay and succeed.Â* Having said that ,there is no way I can defend what happened last night.Â*

i don't think i am. talking to a bunch of players at fan day, hearing them interviewed by dave baker, is not like talking to them in class or at a bar, which is what i am basing this on, albeit from other sources. fan days and the cat walks is meant to spread joy, love and smiling faces around..like a politican in private as opposed when he/she is on the stump.

[bleedbluelady]

Buddah wrote: bleedbluelady wrote:
Buddah wrote: i am sure if the players talked to you in private, they would probably welcome a change....
Buddah, you are wrong about this. The players really do like this staff and want them to stay and succeed. Having said that ,there is no way I can defend what happened last night.

i don't think i am. talking to a bunch of players at fan day, is not like talking to them in class or at a bar, which is what i am basing this on, albeit from other sources. fan days and the cat walks is meant to spread joy, love and smiling faces around..like a politican in private as opposed when he/she is on the stump.
I'm not basing this on talking to a bunch of players at fan day. I'm talking about what players say in private.

[Buddah]

Caveman Catfan wrote:
Buddah wrote: yes sir you have, and you have been patient. archer is a joke, he was a curry minion, same with phillips and some were under the delusion that things would be different this time. there are usually no second acts in life, unless it is former curry coaches then we can act out the exact same thing that happened before, to a tee...

i will say it over and over, you have to have a coach that does more with less ( o and d) or we will never have a winning team...
If there are no second acts, why would you consider Erickson as an HC.Â* He has failed in other places.Â* Why would we want him to come here and fail (by your logic)?


you misunderstand F Scott Fitzgerald, who i base this quote on.. Erickson has never been a head coach here.. Archer and Phillips have been coaches here and it is naive to think that it would be any different.. usually there is no second acts in life meaning you can't replay an exact moment in time and have it be the same, well that is usually true, except for uk coaches, especially ones that coached under curry. there are second acts in life, especially when it involves UK football, the one equation being embarassed.

[Buddah]

bleedbluelady wrote:
Buddah wrote: bleedbluelady wrote:
Buddah wrote: i am sure if the players talked to you in private, they would probably welcome a change....Â*
Buddah, you are wrong about this.Â* The players really do like this staff and want them to stay and succeed.Â* Having said that ,there is no way I can defend what happened last night.Â*

i don't think i am. talking to a bunch of players at fan day, is not like talking to them in class or at a bar, which is what i am basing this on, albeit from other sources. fan days and the cat walks is meant to spread joy, love and smiling faces around..like a politican in private as opposed when he/she is on the stump.
I'm not basing this on talking to a bunch of players at fan day.Â* I'm talking about what players say in private.

very curious, when and where did you talk to them and what did they have to say ? also if you, yourself talked to them, would they be more inclined to tell you what they think you want to hear, as opposed to some of their peers in a more relaxed setting ? who knows ? alot of players on the team, so opinions would of course differ. i am like you i can't excuse what happened last night.. who knows ?

[Caveman Catfan]

Buddah wrote: very curious, when and where did you talk to them and what did they have to say ? also if you, yourself talked to them, would they be more inclined to tell you what they think you want to hear, as opposed to some of their peers in a more relaxed setting ? who knows ? alot of players on the team, so opinions would of course differ. i am like you i can't excuse what happened last night.. who knows ?

We are supposed to just accept that you have the inside scoop as to how the players will respond if spoken with in private, yet you have questions about her connections?

Before anyone could put any credibility into your contacts, I think we too need to know more.

[Buddah]

WHAT? i didn't say i had any inside scoop. i just said i know some people who go to UK who were friendly and knew some players, who are in some of their classes, and interacted in social settings. i never said i had any inside scoop, put the defenses down... i just said they were more apt to be more open with someone of their own age cohort than not... i don't know how or didn't say how players or people act in private.. just would resonable to deduce that sometimes players say things to other that they wouldn't to. i don't think bleebluelady needs you to defend her cc, espeically something that wasn't meant to be defensive... again alot of different players and alot of different opinions

[Caveman Catfan]

Buddah wrote: i didn't say i had any inside scoop. i just said i know some people who go to UK who were friendly and knew some players, who are in some of their classes, and interacted in social settings.
Well, that sounds like inside scoop. When YOU contend that the things said in public are different than what is said in private and state you know what is said in private, THAT ISONE DEFINITION of inside scoop.

[Buddah]

well if you live in someones dorm or they go to a bar with you, i don't what you would call it.. i guess quasi private/inside scoop or away from the field or away from adults. just saying kids or young adults act different depending on who is there. and also private is considered subjective, i guess ? who knows ? alot of different players, alot of different opinions. i can just state what was said at one time, by a few players, at that exact moment. i am simply saying you get different opinions depending on the circumstances. if she talked to players at a resturant the opinions may still be as if they were at a fan day or whatever. since she never specificed, i can't comment. why are the brooks/hudson loyalist so on edge these days ? :shrug: lets get ready for texas state and MOVE ON

[bleedbluelady]

My information is second hand. It comes from someone that has credibility with me and has contact with the players. That's all I feel comfortable with saying. I believe them, that doesn't mean anybody else has to. :shrug:

[Russ24ky]

Like in another thread..

I have my KENTUCKY FOOTBALL shirt on today and AM GOING OUTSIDE

Im a fan WITH OR WITHOUT BROOKS..I SUPPORT THIS TEAM (COACHES TOO)

Im not embarrased..I AM dissapointed but embarassed I AM NOT

[CatsSaintsFan]

Russ24ky wrote:
I edited my post after posting.. RE READ ..

I call them as I seem them is all ..

70-7Â* Florida 1996 comes to mind as worse..Â*We lost to the #13 teamÂ* and you guys are making it sound like we lostÂ* to Montanna St..

(I know we do play Texas StÂ* Saturday)

We can't make drastic changes (like you said Â*just yet).. Joker has hadÂ*equilivent to ONE SEASONÂ*as OCÂ*Â*and you alreadyÂ*wantÂ*himÂ*out.. no your not quitting on this teamÂ*

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Who was the defensive mastermind behind that 70-7 thumping. I beleive that would be Mike Archer. So, if anything, he's consistent.

[PsychoCat]

Buddah wrote: if she talked to players at a resturant the opinions may still be as if they were at a fan day or whatever. since she never specificed, i can't comment. why are the brooks/hudson loyalist so on edge these days ? :shrug:

Yet you did comment .... and dismissedwhat she was sayingas not valid .....even thoughyou base your informationon what you heardfrom other sources :rolleyes:

[Buddah]

PsychoCat wrote:
Buddah wrote: if she talked to players at a resturant the opinions may still be as if they were at a fan day or whatever. since she never specificed, i can't comment. why are the brooks/hudson loyalist so on edge these days ? :shrug:

Yet you did comment .... and dismissedÂ*what she was sayingÂ*as not valid .....Â*even thoughÂ*you base your informationÂ*on what you heardÂ*from other sources :rolleyes:Â*



i said i couldn't comment on her sources, because at that time, she hadn't specificed. i have and still have no reason to doubt what i was told, as i am sure she feels the same... just different players, different opinion. but you know the best thing about this though psycho cat, this whole thing may be just a big ol moot point if we countine to play like this. we will just have to see.

[Stretch]

Archer was on the Steelers staff from '96 through '02:

http://www.ukathletics.com/index.php?s=&change_well_id=2&url_article_id=10307

[baldcat]

He was the LB coach if not mistaken.

He didn't have the opportunity to destroy their defense the way he has ours.

Stretch wrote:
Archer was on the Steelers staff from '96 through '02:

http://www.ukathletics.com/index.php?s=&change_well_id=2&url_article_id=10307

[poodoo]

I don't care if we win out, Brooks HAS to go. THe man has worn out his welcome at UK.:thumbdownQUOTE

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Folks, when we were are disappointed, and all of us are very disappointed about last night's disappointing performance, we sometimes say things we don't mean. This comment, with which another poster agreed, is similar to the one by theguy who called a radio show and said that he did not want Tubby Smith to win another national championship, as then we would keep Tubby as the coach. :(Surely NONE of us here would seriously want Rich Brooks gone IF he were to win all the remaining games, which would put UK into a BCS bowl as the SEC champion. As I said, sometimes things are said and agreed with in a moment of passion, things that are surely not so. :(

Like everyone else here, I was so disappointed with our performance last night, especially in the trenches. We were totally and unexpectedly dominated on both the defensive and offensive lines. Something must change even before our next game against Texas State (and, no, I don't mean any coaches).We simply must play a lot better. There are no excuses to be given for the performance, as I see it.

Regardless, like Russ, I refuse to give up. Giving up after one dismal performance against a really good team makes no sense to me. I don't want the coaches to give up or the players to give up, and I am going to try to set the example that I want them to follow--NOT GIVING UP. I have not given up on ANYONE only ONE game into the season (regardless of my current disappointment level, which is quite high indeed), not the coaches, not the players, not the team.

Yes, in response to another post, players do read on our site. Number eight is DeMoreo Ford, a starting wide receiver whom I respect a lot. Here's hoping neither DeMoreo nor any of the other UK players read here the rest of the week. :(

In regard to the coaches, Coach Archer MUST do something to make us better defend the run. Last season I felt the undue amount of injuries, especially on the defensive line, was a legitimate reason for our defense against the run to be so weak. I cannot defend last night's performance in any way. Saturday is a new day, though, and there is no way I am saying Archer will not still get results. We had all better hope that he does.

In regard to Joker, Joker is just beginning his first year as offensive coordinator. There were some good play calls and some big plays. The offensive line's lack of blocking, in my opinion, was the reason for lack of success on offense. Too, it hurt that Louisville jumped out to such a big early lead. Regardless, Joker has not had near the chances Coach Archer has had as a coordinator. As others are saying, other schools would be grabbing Joker in a heartbeat. I have absolutely not given up on Joker Phillips.

Finally, bleedblueladyhas shared what she was told privately by someone who is "in the know," and I have heard the same from many others. Iread everything about UK sports, and the majority of the players not only love Coach Brooks and his staff, but worry about their not being retained (althoughthere willALWAYS be a few players who arenot happy with a coaching staff, usually the ones who are not getting the playing time they think they deserve).Any argument to the contrary seems ridiculous to me, merely based on all the evidence. In other words that myth has already been disproven (and does not need tocome out again simply because oflast niight's very real,bad performance).The evidenceabout the players'respect and love forthis staffis extremely high. It goes to the highest man in UK sports, Mitch Barnhart, to whom the players came last year and begged for Coach Brooks to be retained (with article after article with the quotes and proof).

However, that has NOTHING to do with the very real and true situation of how we performed last evening. Like bleedbluelady, I cannot defend that. Going beyond that is already going on, though. Everything is not bad. How we performed last evening, though, was mostly bad. :(

[poodoo]

I will support them until administration feels it's time for a change not after 1 loss with 11 games to go after losing to the #13 team in the nation. QUOTE by Russ24ky

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Same here, Russ24ky (and, yes, I absolutely understand all the frustration after last night's inexcusable performance). As I just posted, how can we fans feel right about giving up after this one loss (and dismal performance), while expecting our coaches and players not to be quitters (and that is, by the way, one small thing in their favor last night--that they did NOT quit)!

I honesly don't get it. Too, God-willing, I'll be at that Cat Walk Saturday and would bet that I will be joined by bleedbluelady, POEKLM, KendyKat, Jordan, and hopefully others.It's a choice to give up OR to support these players a little harder. My choice is the latter.

I HOPE the coaches and players work even harder this week. As I see it, we fans probably need to do the same, even though our enthusiasm has understandably been dampened (as is the case with the players, I'm sure). Iam afraid thatCommonwealth Stadium will be far too quiet after last night's performance. Instead, we fans need to be all the louder, just as the players need to play harder and more aggressive, not less.I just hope UK does something really good early to help the crowd become alive, which could really be helpful to our players. Just my honest opinion on the matter.

[Russ24ky]

poodoo..God Bless Ya, This team needs us, I will cheer this team as long as they are playing but I won't boo, I may not like the outcomeon a play or at the end of a game but I will not boo. These kids work too hard to win FOR US and we have people who will boo. (I KNOW THEY WILL SAY WERE BOOING THE COACHES, but when players are getting whippedand losingthe boos don't discriminate.. EVERYBODY hears it)

[Spanish Moss]

Russ24ky wrote: poodoo..God Bless Ya, This team needs us, I will cheer this team as long as they are playing but I won't boo, I may not like the outcomeon a play or at the end of a game but I will not boo. These kids work too hard to win FOR US and we have people who will boo. (I KNOW THEY WILL SAY WERE BOOING THE COACHES, but when players are getting whippedand losingthe boos don't discriminate.. EVERYBODY hears it)
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I am disgusted with where this program is tonight and I will express that. I don't think we are getting 100% out of the players or coaches. (especially the coaches) However, be that as it may, I will never boo my team, coaches and players or our university (Dr. Todd).

[BrassowFan]

I hope the players are reading this site! I hope that they see that the fans want a better coach and program for them. I hope that they know that we want an environment in which they can win.

It's nice that they "like" Brooks but just as with any 9-5 job, personalities are wonderful but it's the ability to produce that determines if you stay or not. If it's true when you're making $30K, it's true when you're making a salary like Brooks or Mitch.

UK needs more than this. IMO it's time for the athletic program to overhaul and determine whether Mitch is the kind of guy who can build a program while turning the basketball program around... or if we need a new AD before replacing Brooks. As I see it, that's the only choice out there.

[The Old School JPS]

Russ24ky wrote: I edited my post after posting.. RE READ ..

I call them as I seem them is all ..

70-7 Florida 1996 comes to mind as worse..We lost to the #13 team and you guys are making it sound like we lost to Montanna St..



It was 1994, and the score was 73-7. (Mike Archer was UK's defensive coordinator then, too.) You are right though that Curry was kept around as head coach through 1996, when UK lost 65-0 to Florida. The game last night was about as futile, save for Keenan Burton being a one man wrecking crew and UL's secondary blowing its coverage for a few big plays.

It was apparent well before then that the head coach was in over his head and didn't have what it took to move the program forward. A 6-6 record and bowl bid in his fourth year probably helped keep him around longer than he should have been retained. UK beating a handful of weaklings that season and getting to 6 made people OK with losing to Vanderbilt and most other teams the rest of the time.

[poodoo]

I hope the players are reading this site! I hope that they see that the fans want a better coach and program for them. I hope that they know that we want an environment in which they can win. QUOTE

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I happen to disagree. I hope that players are not reading any message boards. They certainly do not need to read the posts from fans who have already GIVEN UP on the season. They do not need to be worrying about who is head coach. They only need to be worrying about studying film and learning from their mistakes.

FWIW, last season the players admitted to playing so much looser AFTER it was announced that Coach Brooks would be retained. Woodson, in particular, discussed that. Rafael Little, according to a teammate, had packed his bags in case Coach Brooks was not retained. Coach Brooks repeatedly told the players not to worry about him, but only worry about themselves. Yet, players still worried. Since these players like and respect Coach Brooks and the assistants, there is no way they need to be reading threads with fans' wanting their coach fired, in my opinion, based on the evidence of what the actual players themselves have said on the matter.

One of my fears is that there will be game in which the retention of Coach Brooks determines the outcome and the pressure on the players will hurt our team in that game. Now, of course, if we continue to play as we did against Louisville, the matter will be decided, and that will not come into play. :(I think we are a much better team than we showed against Louisville, though.At least I hope that is the case, and I will continue to watch games this yearbefore giving up on this team or staff.

[wildcatdon]

i will be there sat cheering this team on and yelling my lungs out..no matter how we play i will never boo the team or coaches...that is just not right..i would like everyone to show up at the wildcat walk and let the players know we are behind them..i feel they will take a step up sat....GO CATS..!!!!

[poodoo]

wildcatdon wrote: i will be there sat cheering this team on and yelling my lungs out..no matter how we play i will never boo the team or coaches...that is just not right..i would like everyone to show up at the wildcat walk and let the players know we are behind them..i feel they will take a step up sat....GO CATS..!!!!


I, too, will be screaming my head off at the game and supporting our players at the Cat Walk, along with other WCN tailgaters. Yet, unfortunately, there will not be many UK fans there, wildcatdon. :(Last year there was a BIG crowd before the Louisville game, but after the loss, crowds were very small. :(Everyone loves cheeringa winner, butmany are not as quick to give the support when it is NEEDED. I hope as many WCN members as possible do show up andshow these guys some love.

I also think these guys "will take a step up" Saturday. I would love for them not only to win, butto play really well and get some confidence for the so-important Ole Miss game. GO CATS!

[BrassowFan]

poodoo wrote:
One of my fears is that there will be game in which the retention of Coach Brooks determines the outcome and the pressure on the players will hurt our team in that game. Now, of course, if we continue to play as we did against Louisville, the matter will be decided, and that will not come into play. :(I think we are a much better team than we showed against Louisville, though.At least I hope that is the case, and I will continue to watch games this yearbefore giving up on this team or staff.



I think the retention of Brooks has determined the outcome of many games and that's the problem.

If the players like playing for the coach more than they like to win, I say they can go with him, we don't need them in Lexington. UK is a program and should be focused on excellence, not on making people who earn $750K a year "feel good".

[poodoo]

BrassowFan wrote: poodoo wrote:
One of my fears is that there will be game in which the retention of Coach Brooks determines the outcome and the pressure on the players will hurt our team in that game. Now, of course, if we continue to play as we did against Louisville, the matter will be decided, and that will not come into play. :(I think we are a much better team than we showed against Louisville, though.At least I hope that is the case, and I will continue to watch games this yearbefore giving up on this team or staff.



I think the retention of Brooks has determined the outcome of many games and that's the problem.

If the players like playing for the coach more than they like to win, I say they can go with him, we don't need them in Lexington. UK is a program and should be focused on excellence, not on making people who earn $750K a year "feel good".



BrassowFan, any football player likes to win more than he likes the coach. Too, IF we don't start winning, at least most of the players will be wanting a change. At least up until the Louisville game they did. I happen to think that they still are. Although it may look bleak right now, we fans cannot KNOW that this team is not going to get on the winning track this season. All I want us fans to do is WAIT and SEE, especially for the next couple of weeks.

Again, if these guys don't start WINNING, they, too, will want a change (although they won't voice it, I suspect). Yet, NOW, unlike you and many other fans, they STILL BELIEVE in Coach Brooks and his staff. In fact, they were strong enough in their belief in this staff to convince Micah Johnson and other highly touted recruits to come here. In other words, no, the players' belief in this staff does not match much of the fan base's level of belief. Personally, I don't know if Coach Brooks and the team will indeed be successful this season. I do know that after only ONE game, there is no way that I canKNOW that they will NOT be successful this season.

If it comes down to that one necessary game to get to a bowl and keep Coach Brooks here, by the way, a lot of improvement and progress will have been made from Sunday night's game. :)That's what I am surely hoping to see. :)
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[BrassowFan]

Poodoo, I think that the fans and players have done nothing but wait. We've been waiting for years. I'm not upset that we lost to Louisville, I'm upset that we weren't any more competitive this season than we were in RB's first, second or third season.

I think patience isn't something that any UK football fan can be criticized for lacking.

[poodoo]

BrassowFan wrote: I'm not upset that we lost to Louisville, I'm upset that we weren't any more competitive this season than we were in RB's first, second or third season.

I think patience isn't something that any UK football fan can be criticized for lacking.


BrassowFan, you know that I respect you. However, I'm a bit confused about this post. I, too, was upset we weren't more competitive in the opening game against Louisville this season. Like surely every UK fan, I was most disappointed with our performance. Too, I was certainly not blaming UK fans for lacking patience.

HOWEVER, the point of my post was that I hope UK players are NOT reading the gloom and doom posts, the ones from fans who have given up on this season because of that disappointing performance against Louisville. Based on the players' quotes, they still BELIEVE. As I fan, I will encourage them still to believe, especially while they certainly have a chance to go to a bowl game this year.

What is the other choice? Youposted about wanting them to read here to know that we aren't satisfied with this staff and want something better for them. I still cannot understand UK fans' thinking that way. These guys are in theMIDDLE of very much alive hopes for a bowl game appearance, regardless of how we played against Louisville (a very strong team performing where it hadbeen averaging about fifty points a game and had only lost one game under Petrino). One game is not a season, in my opinion, regardless of how much impatience we UK football teams are entitled to have. :)

[BrassowFan]

poodoo wrote: BrassowFan wrote: I'm not upset that we lost to Louisville, I'm upset that we weren't any more competitive this season than we were in RB's first, second or third season.

I think patience isn't something that any UK football fan can be criticized for lacking.


BrassowFan, you know that I respect you. However, I'm a bit confused about this post. I, too, was upset we weren't more competitive in the opening game against Louisville this season. Like surely every UK fan, I was most disappointed with our performance. Too, I was certainly not blaming UK fans for lacking patience.

HOWEVER, the point of my post was that I hope UK players are NOT reading the gloom and doom posts, the ones from fans who have given up on this season because of that disappointing performance against Louisville. Based on the players' quotes, they still BELIEVE. As I fan, I will encourage them still to believe, especially while they certainly have a chance to go to a bowl game this year.

What is the other choice? Youposted about wanting them to read here to know that we aren't satisfied with this staff and want something better for them. I still cannot understand UK fans' thinking that way. These guys are in theMIDDLE of very much alive hopes for a bowl game appearance, regardless of how we played against Louisville (a very strong team performing where it hadbeen averaging about fifty points a game and had only lost one game under Petrino). One game is not a season, in my opinion, regardless of how much impatience we UK football teams are entitled to have. :)


Poodoo, I think the difference is that I don't still believe in Brooks. I think that the program is pathetic 4 years into his term and that we should be able to do better. I see season after season the fans are willing to do their part. The fans still show up to the games, pay the additional prices, watch television and quite frankly, give a *$(# by posting their hopes for the upcoming season. The problem is that season after season we get the same lackluster product and that can only fall on the shoulders of the coaching staff.

I hope the players read this and understand that the fans still expect a quality program and are willing to support getting them the staff that they need to get there.

UK waited too long to get rid of Curry and IMO the same could be said of this group as well. It's time for a change as only a few, such as yourself, still believe that Brooks is capable of turning this around.