What the players themselves say

[poodoo]

I often quote the players and coaches, because I think they are closer to the situation than we fans are. I have read a lot of "doom and gloom" here the past couple of days, and I fully understand fans' disappointment and frustration, for the UK football team'sperformance was, frankly, mostly disappointing and frustrating. YET, there is NO WAY that I give up on this team (or coaching staff) after this ONE performance. For the ones of you who would like to hear what the players themselves say about the performance and the FUTURE, I'm sharing a couple of player quotes from a Larry Vaught column that Caveman Catfan has linked on another thread.

First, Jacob Tamme says the following:

"I don't think we were not prepared. We just didn't play well. We've got a good football team. We've got to learn from this and move on. We can be a good team. I still believe that."

Having apologized to the offense for the defense's performance (something Coach Brooks said he had never previously witnessed), linebacker Wesley Woodyard said the following:

"Our job is to stop people. We did not do that. I wanted to let the offense know that wouldn't happen again."

WOW! Those two young men are LEADERS. Someone posted that he hoped our players were reading our site. NOT ME. Instead, I hope they are listening to young men like Tamme and Woodyard, who still have FAITH and BELIEVE. Sure, talk is cheap, and they must back up their words with actions. Regardless, I like what I read, especially since itis different from so much that I had been reading, certainly more optimistic and far less gloomy. I will say that a positive attitude can be far more constructive than a negative one. If these players start thinking like some of us fans, then this team is truly in trouble. May these young men and other UK players help to get the team mentally ready for the upcoming games, and surely all of us admit that there still are games left on the schedule. :)

Thank you, Mr. Tamme, and Mr. Woodyard, and, again, I hope some of you enjoy reading that at least some of our team leaders are NOT GIVING UP, far from it. :)

I hope no one posts that the players will just say anything. To be perfectly honest, I think it is we adult fanswho are much more prone to "just say anything." I actually read a couple of posters' comments yesterday, saying that they want Brooks gone "even if he wins out." Enough said. :D(Again,Iperfectly understandfans'disappointment and frustration, forSunday evening's performancewas most definitely adisappointing, frustrating one).:)

[TrueblueCATfan]

nice post Poodoo.............the players is what keeps me going when it comes to UK football

[baldcat]

Talk is cheap.

God knows I've done enough of it the last two days.

Sorry, I'm just one very pissed off man right now.

[poodoo]

baldcat wrote: Talk is cheap.

God knows I've done enough of it the last two days.

Sorry, I'm just one very pissed off man right now.


:lol:, baldcat. I love it. Too, as I said, that reactionis quite understandable. :)That we had our hopes up to see a lot of improvement from our football team Sunday night, as had been promised,makes it that much harder, too.

Let's wait and see what happens as the season progresses,though. The next two games areHUGE for this football program. Too, perhaps we fans need to worry a little less about who is the head coach, leaving that up to an athletic director who is DETERMINED that UK has a winning football program, and meanwhile support these players,as TrueblueCATfan just hinted. GO CATS!

[trublue4life]

poodoo, I agree with you that the season is not lost, but as Mark Story pointed out the next two weeks are critical to stem the flood of negativity that would surely result if we lay an egg either week. I really want these coaches to succeed. I am so tired of the game of musical coaches UK has played through the course of my lifetime. The reason the UL program is so far ahead of us - and until Sunday night I have really resisted admitting they were as far ahead of us as they obviously are - is due to continuity as much as anything. From Schnellenberger to Petrino (notwithstanding the bump in the road that was Ron Cooper) they have run a consistent system and found the coach to continue the philosophy Howard committed the program to years ago. We, on the other hand, have had a flea market of coaches and systems over the past 20-25 years without a consistent vision for what we're doing. Running afoul of the NCAA with the resulting sanctions have only magnified our struggles. I said when Brooks got here it would take us six years to get back on our feet (and I still believe that) but if we don't see some significant progress over the next 11 games with at least 6 showing up in the win column. I'm afraid he won't see seasons 5 & 6.I might have said 5 winscould keep him alive if we hadn't had such a disaster the other night, but with that unacceptable effort this staff has dug itself a pretty deep hole. I sure hope the rest of the defense follows Woodyard's lead.

[poodoo]

I sure hope the rest of the defense follows Woodyard's lead. QUOTE by trublue4life

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AMEN to that, trublue4life. :cool:

Too, good post. Also, the main intentof my post was to balance out some of the extreme negativity and doomsday posts.

Yes, it doesn't look good now, BUT there are a lot of games left, and based on all the comments from both the coaches and players during the preseason, I really think this team is a far better team than we saw at Papa John's Stadium Sunday. Reading today, I noticed that team after team has fared similarly at Papa John's, anad many of them have gone on to bowl appearances. Louisville has been unbelievably tough in Papa John's Stadium under Coach Petrino, for whatever the reason. Also, I think Louisville is the real deal this season, something we fans may not be consideringquite enough.

There is still no excuse for how poorly we performed, but we areprobably a much better team than we showed.Let's hope so. Let's hope the players (and coaches)are right. :)

[Spanish Moss]

baldcat wrote: Talk is cheap.

God knows I've done enough of it the last two days.

Sorry, I'm just one very pissed off man right now.


We need more fans like baldcat. We all need to be very upset and I hope the coaching staff understands just how upset we are. They have let us down. Our fans are there for them and they let us down. Big time.

We have fans on this site who would walk through hot coals for this team and the coaches don't have the team prepared to play. The team and coaches should apologize to those fans.

I think the offense should also apologize to the defense. If they would move the ball the defense could catch a breath every once in awhile. Three and out doesn't give the defense time to go over adjustments on the sideline. Mike Archer needs time to go over this with the team and he can't do it in less than 90 seconds.

We should expect and demand a football program that is respectable and not the laughing stock of the United States. Kentuckians should have some pride. They should have the same type of pride Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Alabama and Louisiana fans have. Yes, even the same pride as a UL fan. So far I haven't seen anything close to pride with this program.

[trublue4life]

Spanish Moss wrote: baldcat wrote: Talk is cheap.

God knows I've done enough of it the last two days.

Sorry, I'm just one very pissed off man right now.


We need more fans like baldcat. We all need to be very upset and I hope the coaching staff understands just how upset we are. They have let us down. Our fans are there for them and they let us down. Big time.

We have fans on this site who would walk through hot coals for this team and the coaches don't have the team prepared to play. The team and coaches should apologize to those fans. Tamme should apologize to Poodoo for not being prepared.
When Tamme says they were not prepared, that hurts. I don't like reading stuff like that.

I think the offense should also apologize to the defense. If they would move the ball the defense could catch a breath every once in awhile. Three and out doesn't give the defense time to go over adjustments on the sideline. Mike Archer needs time to go over this with the team and he can't do it in less than 90 seconds. What we have is a total train wreck and if you are not upset over this then IMO you are not a true fan. You are a socialite who wants to go to the games for the sole purpose of meeting old friends and drinking beer. Now there is nothing wrong with that, but we should expect to have a football program that is respectable and not the laughing stock of the United States.

Kentuckians should have some pride. They should have the same type of pride Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Alabama and Louisiana fans have. Yes, even the same pride as a UL fan. So far I haven't seen anything close to pride with this program.



Tamme didn't say they were not prepared; he said he didn't think they were not prepared, which means he thought they were prepared. Bad use of double neagtive. I know that is confusing wording but that's what he meant, according to poodoo.

Also, I think most fans are really ticked off and disappointed. I know I am. But being ticked off doesn't mean I have to write off the rest of the season as several fans seem to have done. And I certainly don't subscribe to the ludicrous suggestion (IMO) that Brooks should be fired even if he wins out this year as someone suggested. Heck, if that miracle happened I would be dancing naked in the streets! Well, maybe only partially naked:blush:...

Bottom line is our team and coaches laid an egg on national TV that has most all of us embarrassed and angry. Let's hope they feel the same way and respond with the best effort possible this week. Again, I feel the next two weeks will tell the tale. Lay another egg and I don't see any way Brooks survives. But win six and go bowling and it's a totally different conversation.

[Buddah]

baldcat wrote:
Talk is cheap.

God knows I've done enough of it the last two days.

Sorry, I'm just one very pissed off man right now.


i agree, sad but true, nice and cute soundbites by players and coaches is very very cheap, especially in light of what happens sunday. So cheap, in fact, they are having a liqudation sale at commonwealth stadium... i know it is good to see the players so positive and i am sure for some fans that is good, but HAVE to prove it on the field. i don't mean to offend anyone, but need to see it on the field.. after we see that, then i will giddy with everyone else. just my opinion

also to address another point.

"Tamme didn't say they were not prepared; he said he didn't think they were not prepared, which means he thought they were prepared"

to me that is just nauncing, like trying to debate tempo for bball, when the evidence is right before you... they weren't prepared to play, which has become an all too natural response these last four years. don't have to listen to tammee, brooks himself said they were not prepared. i know after awhile that becomes a coach speak type response, but in this case it maybe more truth than fiction.

[Wildcat Derrick]

trublue4life wrote: poodoo, I agree with you that the season is not lost, but as Mark Story pointed out
Did you just quote SATAN?;)

[Will Lavender]

Tamme is clearly saying that he thought the team was prepared. Pretty simple to read.

But I disagree. They weren't prepared. Obviously not. But that's not Jacob Tamme's fault. I blame that loss Sunday almost completely on the defense. In fact, I blame a lot of problems the last few years, even before Brooks, on the defense. If you can't tackle, you don't win. And Archer's defenses perpetually havea hard time tackling.

A lot of people cry for a return of Mummeball as a panacea to our problems.

I wonderwhen we're going to ever have a defense that can tackle people in Lexington. I want to see some stops, for Pete's sake. I've been watching pretty religiously for a decade and I haven't seen UK stop anybody yet. Sunday was just a culmination ofhow poor we've been -- howpoor we've always been -- on the most important side of theball.

That same effort will get us flat-out beaton Saturday.

[Realist]

It doesn't matter if they thought they were prepared or if they say they were prepared. They were NOT prepared, bottom line. They haven't been prepared for the season opener in the 4 years of Brooks' tenure. That seems to indicate a problem to me. There is either a problem with the coaching staff, the players or both. How you can not be prepared for the season opener against a ranked team who is also your only in-state rival is beyond me.

[Buddah]

Will Lavender wrote:

A lot of people cry for a return of Mummeball as a panacea to our problems.
Â*


most people cry for a return of what worked here. what brought us a national name, one win from back to back to back bowl games. to recruit the type of all star defense that some pine for, you would have to be florida redux. that ain't going to happen. will, i posted this before, but maybe you can look at it, if you haven't read it yet ? it brings up alot of valid points on how and why UK must be creative to compensate for being at a disadvantage. the uk foobtall team must be the underdog, whereas other atheletic programs at UK, don't really have to be, they have the resources for which they can pretty much be elite if they would like to be.. but here is the article.

http://florida.scout.com/2/430165.html

THE SEASON ISN'T OVER

[poodoo]

Tamme didn't say they were not prepared; he said he didn't think they were not prepared, which means he thought they were prepared. Bad use of double neagtive. I know that is confusing wording but that's what he meant, according to poodoo.

Also, I think most fans are really ticked off and disappointed. I know I am. But being ticked off doesn't mean I have to write off the rest of the season as several fans seem to have done. And I certainly don't subscribe to the ludicrous suggestion (IMO) that Brooks should be fired even if he wins out this year as someone suggested. Heck, if that miracle happened I would be dancing naked in the streets! Well, maybe only partially naked:blush:...

Bottom line is our team and coaches laid an egg on national TV that has most all of us embarrassed and angry. Let's hope they feel the same way and respond with the best effort possible this week. Again, I feel the next two weeks will tell the tale. Lay another egg and I don't see any way Brooks survives. But win six and go bowling and it's a totally different conversation. QUOTE by trublue4life

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GREAT post, trublue4life. Exactly (well, except for the dancing naked in the streets! :ggrin:).

Also, your degree of being upset is my own degree of upset. Too, hopefully, the players and coaches are so embarrassed themselves that we do indeed see entirely different performances these next couple of weeks.My originalpost was about NOT GIVING UP after ONE game!

By the way, no, I am not upset to the point of wanting these coaches fired after only one game into this so-important football season. Also, I am certainly not one of those "socialites" who wants go to the games to see old friends and drink beer,"socialites" Spanish Moss mentioned.:ggrin:Anyone who has ever seen me at a game knows how much I care about our WINNING and how involvedI become, beating on the bleachers and screaming as loud as I can. For me, it's all about what is best for our FOOTBALL PROGRAM, and, no, I am NOT convinced that this staff absolutely must go, after having watched only one very disappointing performance. Even if future performances determine that is the case, I leave that up to Mitch Barnhart, who badly wants a winning football program here, and I will continue to support the players and program best I can. :)

[poodoo]

baldcat wrote:
Talk is cheap.

God knows I've done enough of it the last two days.

Sorry, I'm just one very pissed off man right now.



i agree, sad but true, nice and cute soundbites by players and coaches is very very cheap, especially in light of what happens sunday.

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Buddah, baldcat was cleverly making a joke about himself here. :ggrin:I LOVED it. I had alreadyadmitted in my own post that "talk is cheap," and now the players must back it up with action (before also mentioning some of the remarks we 'adult" fans have made).:)

[Buddah]

i know, but my statements stand. i felt it was a good time to make some good points about somethings. i am very self deprecating myself poodoo, though people don't seem to pick up on it :D

[trublue4life]

Buddah wrote: baldcat wrote:
Talk is cheap.

God knows I've done enough of it the last two days.

Sorry, I'm just one very pissed off man right now.


i agree, sad but true, nice and cute soundbites by players and coaches is very very cheap, especially in light of what happens sunday. So cheap, in fact, they are having a liqudation sale at commonwealth stadium... i know it is good to see the players so positive and i am sure for some fans that is good, but HAVE to prove it on the field. i don't mean to offend anyone, but need to see it on the field.. after we see that, then i will giddy with everyone else. just my opinion

also to address another point.

"Tamme didn't say they were not prepared; he said he didn't think they were not prepared, which means he thought they were prepared"

to me that is just nauncing, like trying to debate tempo for bball, when the evidence is right before you... they weren't prepared to play, which has become an all too natural response these last four years. don't have to listen to tammee, brooks himself said they were not prepared. i know after awhile that becomes a coach speak type response, but in this case it maybe more truth than fiction.
Buddah, I'm not nuancing or dancing around anything. Spanish Moss said it "hurt" that Tamme said we were not prepared. I simply pointed out that Tamme did not say that. I know we weren't prepared and if you read everything I've posted about the game that is pretty clear. In fact I said as much in the post you are referring to.

[I. Melvin]

Buddah - great find! Apparently, our voices aren't the only ones in the wilderness.

This should be sent everyday to Mitch until he acknowledges receiving and reading it.

Got his email address?

Buddah wrote: Will Lavender wrote:

A lot of people cry for a return of Mummeball as a panacea to our problems.



most people cry for a return of what worked here. what brought us a national name, one win from back to back to back bowl games. to recruit the type of all star defense that some pine for, you would have to be florida redux. that ain't going to happen. will, i posted this before, but maybe you can look at it, if you haven't read it yet ? it brings up alot of valid points on how and why UK must be creative to compensate for being at a disadvantage. the uk foobtall team must be the underdog, whereas other atheletic programs at UK, don't really have to be, they have the resources for which they can pretty much be elite if they would like to be.. but here is the article.

http://florida.scout.com/2/430165.html

THE SEASON ISN'T OVER

[Spanish Moss]

trublue4life wrote: Buddah wrote: baldcat wrote:
Talk is cheap.

God knows I've done enough of it the last two days.

Sorry, I'm just one very pissed off man right now.


i agree, sad but true, nice and cute soundbites by players and coaches is very very cheap, especially in light of what happens sunday. So cheap, in fact, they are having a liqudation sale at commonwealth stadium... i know it is good to see the players so positive and i am sure for some fans that is good, but HAVE to prove it on the field. i don't mean to offend anyone, but need to see it on the field.. after we see that, then i will giddy with everyone else. just my opinion

also to address another point.

"Tamme didn't say they were not prepared; he said he didn't think they were not prepared, which means he thought they were prepared"

to me that is just nauncing, like trying to debate tempo for bball, when the evidence is right before you... they weren't prepared to play, which has become an all too natural response these last four years. don't have to listen to tammee, brooks himself said they were not prepared. i know after awhile that becomes a coach speak type response, but in this case it maybe more truth than fiction.
Buddah, I'm not nuancing or dancing around anything. Spanish Moss said it "hurt" that Tamme said we were not prepared. I simply pointed out that Tamme did not say that. I know we weren't prepared and if you read everything I've posted about the game that is pretty clear. In fact I said as much in the post you are referring to.

I was wrong in my interpretation and I went back and edited my comments. Thank you and others for pointing out my mistake.

I hope we are prepared in future games.

[Buddah]

Spanish Moss wrote:
trublue4life wrote: Buddah wrote: baldcat wrote:
Talk is cheap.

God knows I've done enough of it the last two days.

Sorry, I'm just one very pissed off man right now.


i agree, sad but true, nice and cute soundbites by players and coaches is very very cheap, especially in light of what happens sunday. So cheap, in fact, they are having a liqudation sale at commonwealth stadium... i know it is good to see the players so positive and i am sure for some fans that is good, but HAVE to prove it on the field. i don't mean to offend anyone, but need to see it on the field.. after we see that, then i will giddy with everyone else. just my opinion

also to address another point.

"Tamme didn't say they were not prepared; he said he didn't think they were not prepared, which means he thought they were prepared"

to me that is just nauncing, like trying to debate tempo for bball, when the evidence is right before you... they weren't prepared to play, which has become an all too natural response these last four years. don't have to listen to tammee, brooks himself said they were not prepared. i know after awhile that becomes a coach speak type response, but in this case it maybe more truth than fiction.
Buddah, I'm not nuancing or dancing around anything. Spanish Moss said it "hurt" that Tamme said we were not prepared. I simply pointed out that Tamme did not say that. I know we weren't prepared and if you read everything I've posted about the game that is pretty clear. In fact I said as much in the post you are referring to.

I was wrong in my interpretation and I went back and edited my comments.Â* Thank you and others for pointing out my mistake.

I hope we are prepared in future games.


spanish moss, it warms my heart to see a line from a kinky friedman song.. i am listening to A$$hole from El Paso, and, "they ain't makin jews like jesus anymore". kinky is one of my personal heroes.. he probably has too much common sense to be gov of texas, but if there were any justice in the world, he would be.

[BigblueDrew]

I have a few questions. One: how many times did Hal Mumme beat UT,UGA, Fla,LSU or Aub. during his tenure. Subtracting the years he had a HOMEGROWN 1st round draft pick as his QB how many Bowls did he take us to. Third: How did coach Mumme's tenure at UK end and has that had a subsequent effect on our football program. Yes as you've guessed I hated the gimmicky crap we so fondly called Mumme ball. Every one talks about how "exciting" it was, well I rarely got very excited watching Mumme's teams go for it on 4th a 11 from our own 36 because he knew the only way we could hope to stop our opponents from scoring was to keep the ball at all costs.He never had a complete football team his whole tenure and his lack of understanding(bordering on contempt) of defensive football was a gaureentee he would never be competative in the SEC. Some of you long for the days of losing 56 to 45 instead of what we saw Saturday. To me after 47 years of UK football futility a loss is a loss. I don't like Brooks ball very well but Mumme ball isn't very appealing either.

[Buddah]

BigblueDrew wrote:
I have a few questions. One: how many times did Hal Mumme beat UT,UGA, Fla,LSU or Aub. during his tenure. Subtracting the years he had a HOMEGROWN 1st round draft pick as his QB how many Bowls did he take us to. Third: How did coach Mumme's tenure at UK end and has that had a subsequent effect on our football program. Yes as you've guessed I hated the gimmicky crap we so fondly called Mumme ball. Every one talks about how "exciting" it was, well I rarely got very excited watching Mumme's teams go for it on 4th a 11 from our own 36 because he knew the only way we could hope to stop our opponents from scoring was to keep the ball at all costs.Â*He never had a complete football team his whole tenure and his lack of understanding(bordering on contempt) of defensive football was a gaureentee he would never be competative in the SEC. Some of you long for the days of losing 56 to 45 instead of what we saw Saturday. To me after 47 years of UK football futility a loss is a loss. I don't like Brooks ball very well but Mumme ball isn't very appealing either.Â*

he defeated LSU , and the players he subsequently recruited defeated LSU in jared's sophmore year and very well should have his jr year. as for UGA, we should have defeated them as well, but mummee himself blew those games. fla and tn were no gos.

though if that is your only litmus test for any prospective coaches or looking over a coaching resume is if they defeated the sec stalwarts, you and others may still miss the idea of what the article and many have tried to put forth for so long. so i am not going to repeat it anymore. if you have seen, by your own admission, 47 years of football futility then you have seen the bad times and even a few bright spots. do you think we will ever see a time when we were within a play or two of going to back to back to back bowl games or beat one of those stalwarts you seem to have left out, bama. what say you ? it isn't about Mummme or Leach or even Air Raid, it is a coach, any coach, that can do something unique that can set a program ,who has been in its death throes, apart and able to build on that. we were on the right track, cheating beside the point, we would have defeated the other teams you speak of. but since we are talking about futility, might as well hire that revered DC so people talk about those thrilling 3 - 0 games.

though we seemed to have went the Defense first guys route with curry and brooks and we are seeing the results of that.

also your questions are totally slanted, mummme was just here for four years, couch for two, bonner for one and jared for one.. i mean saying take away his home grown number draft pick, and this and that... fact of the matter is, couch and the resto f curry's guys under achieved. do you think curry would have taken those players to a bowl game if he had remained, didn't think so. those questions seem to be slanted to refute any points that the article brings up.. you're better than that drew. of course his last year, he had a future all team leading passer in the school, NFL pick, but he was a red shirt freshmen, who actually had us in four of the games that year that could have won... todays gimmick is tommorows pare for the course.. they said the same thing about walsh, pitino and others. again it isn't about air raid or leach or mummee, it is about "someone, ANYONE" who can do more with less and compensate for a disadvantage. it could be norm chow, just takes someone who can outsmart opposition.

[Spanish Moss]

Buddah wrote: Spanish Moss wrote:
trublue4life wrote: Buddah wrote: baldcat wrote:
Talk is cheap.

God knows I've done enough of it the last two days.

Sorry, I'm just one very pissed off man right now.


i agree, sad but true, nice and cute soundbites by players and coaches is very very cheap, especially in light of what happens sunday. So cheap, in fact, they are having a liqudation sale at commonwealth stadium... i know it is good to see the players so positive and i am sure for some fans that is good, but HAVE to prove it on the field. i don't mean to offend anyone, but need to see it on the field.. after we see that, then i will giddy with everyone else. just my opinion

also to address another point.

"Tamme didn't say they were not prepared; he said he didn't think they were not prepared, which means he thought they were prepared"

to me that is just nauncing, like trying to debate tempo for bball, when the evidence is right before you... they weren't prepared to play, which has become an all too natural response these last four years. don't have to listen to tammee, brooks himself said they were not prepared. i know after awhile that becomes a coach speak type response, but in this case it maybe more truth than fiction.
Buddah, I'm not nuancing or dancing around anything. Spanish Moss said it "hurt" that Tamme said we were not prepared. I simply pointed out that Tamme did not say that. I know we weren't prepared and if you read everything I've posted about the game that is pretty clear. In fact I said as much in the post you are referring to.

I was wrong in my interpretation and I went back and edited my comments. Thank you and others for pointing out my mistake.

I hope we are prepared in future games.


spanish moss, it warms my heart to see a line from a kinky friedman song.. i am listening to A$$hole from El Paso, and, "they ain't makin jews like jesus anymore". kinky is one of my personal heroes.. he probably has too much common sense to be gov of texas, but if there were any justice in the world, he would be.

lol. I could vote for Kinky. Why not? At least we know where he stands and I do like his cowboy hat. It warms my heart knowing you know who Kinky Friedman is. Are you sure you weren't around a few generations back? You seem like a child of the 50's to me. :) We had fun back in those days, don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

[BigblueDrew]

Buddah, at my age a 3 to0 victory is damned exciting. I'd take 12 in a row of them and love it. At the end of the day nobody cares how you looked, they just ask who won. Mumme did look good, but he was no closer to making us a SEC contender than Rich Brooks is.

[Buddah]

BigblueDrew wrote:
Buddah, at my age a 3 toÂ*0 victory is damned exciting. I'd take 12 in a row of them and love it. At the end of the day nobody cares how you looked, they just ask who won. Mumme did look good, but he was no closer to making us a SEC contender than Rich Brooks is.

drew you took what was a sarcastic comment out of a long long post.. DEFINITELY it only matters who won, and i will still contend, the best way to do that is have a coach who does something unique, doesn't have to be mike leach. they are alot of creative minds who can do more with less. it just seems that we are usually at the 0 spot of the 3 - 0 battles.

spainish moss, no my friend, from the nitty gritty dirt band to hank sr, i am a child of the present.. just have vast interests, and i am a big ol geek about good music and good football go figure. :ggrin: at least get one right.

[Spanish Moss]

Buddah wrote:
spainish moss, no my friend, from the nitty gritty dirt band to hank sr, i am a child of the present.. just have vast interests, and i am a big ol geek about good music and good football go figure. :ggrin: at least get one right.

I tell you what, if we had had you over on Pond Creek back in the 50's you would be a legend like Rick Kestner and the Hatfield boys.

I believe if you keep the faith and keep the skeer on Mitch you might get good football UK fans deserve. It might happen.

[Realist]

Buddah,

That article you posted the link to was great and absolutely hit the nail on the head but I think a lot of people are missing another important point. We have to have SOMETHING to give us an edge in recruiting. Not only do we need to adopt a system that is different enough to keep the other team off balance we need to have something that will entice higher level recruits to want to play at KY. I've often wondered if it would be a good long term strategy to try to hire the absolutely best offensive and defensive line coaches in America and pay them what they're worth. Then, make the number one priority of the whole program recruiting potential NFL linemen. Just watch an NFL game and see how many of the linemen come from the traditional football powers. Football is generally won in the trenches and that's where we aren't getting it done. The traditional powers just reload when it comes to the line.

[poodoo]

Realist wrote: ...make the number one priority of the whole program recruiting potential NFL linemen. Just watch an NFL game and see how many of the linemen come from the traditional football powers. Football is generally won in the trenches and that's where we aren't getting it done. The traditional powers just reload when it comes to the line.


I'm not Buddah, but with those statements I surely agree. It ALL begins in the trenches. A huge part of our success during Coach Morriss' second year was having the fourth overall pick in the NFL anchoring our defensive line and drawing double teams AND having an offensive line that performed well under a head coach that had been an NFL offensive linemen (although they were, admittedly, made to look all the better by running back Artose Pinner).

Now back to the thread's point, that the players are NOT giving up. They know that they are a much better team than what they showed Sunday. Let's follow their example and NOT GIVE UP after ONE game into the season. :)

[Buddah]

Realist wrote:
Buddah,

That article you posted the link to was great and absolutely hit the nail on the head but I think a lot of people are missing another important point.Â* We have to have SOMETHING to give us an edge in recruiting.Â* Not only do we need to adopt a system that is different enough to keep the other team off balance we need to have something that will entice higher level recruits to want to play at KY.Â* I've often wondered if it would be a good long term strategy to try to hire the absolutely best offensive and defensive line coaches in America and pay them what they're worth.Â*Â* Then, make the number one priority of the whole program recruiting potential NFL linemen.Â* Just watch an NFL game and see how many of the linemen come from the traditional football powers.Â* Football is generally won in the trenches and that's where we aren't getting it done.Â* The traditional powers just reload when it comes to the line.



thank you Realist. I am glad you can take an objective look at the article and see it is just the truth. nothing more, nothing less. people shouldn't fear the truth, they should embrace it. i think the article is the most accurate non biased article that i have seen for the UK program in my opinion.. you also bring some VERY good points on the line coaches.. that is yet another idea that i wish we would look at. I know i will probably get slammed for this, but i just percieve Mitch as more a CEO type than an AD in the mold of someone such as Tom Jurich, who has vision and creativity when hiring coaches... like rumors were rampant that if peterino bolted that jurich already had his eye on steve karthrope from tulsa, and keep in mind this was when he was off the radar by and large... that to me is vision, the notion of a plan of what you want or if things didn't go well, change tactics.. CM Newton had that to a degree, though i don't think to the extent of Jurich.. we will just have to see.

I, Melvin.. if you can find mitch's email address, i will send it to him and ask him to please read it and give me his opinion. i don't think there is no harm in soliciting opinion on a written piece done about your football program.

[Buddah]

poodoo wrote:
Realist wrote: ...Â*make the number one priority of the whole program recruiting potential NFL linemen.Â* Just watch an NFL game and see how many of the linemen come from the traditional football powers.Â* Football is generally won in the trenches and that's where we aren't getting it done.Â* The traditional powers just reload when it comes to the line.


I'm not Buddah, but with those statements I surely agree. It ALL begins in the trenches. A huge part of our success during Coach Morriss' second year was having the fourth overall pick in the NFL anchoring our defensive line and drawing double teams AND having an offensive line that performed well under a head coach that had been an NFL offensive linemen (although they were, admittedly, made to look all the better by running back Artose Pinner).

Now back to the thread's point, that the players are NOT giving up. They know that they are a much better team than what they showed Sunday. Let's follow their example and NOT GIVE UP after ONE game into the season. :)


to me that is just a small portion of an over arching thing, which includes creativity and a coach that can do more with less, which feel free to comment on pooodoo :)

[blueheretic]

baldcat wrote: Talk is cheap.

God knows I've done enough of it the last two days.

Sorry, I'm just one very pissed off man right now.

Why would you be pissed about UK Football?

[baldcat]

Because I love it and want to see a competitive team on the field.

God help me I love it so.

Kind of like being desperately in love with a woman who you know will lie and screw around on you every chance she gets.

blueheretic wrote:
baldcat wrote: Talk is cheap.

God knows I've done enough of it the last two days.

Sorry, I'm just one very pissed off man right now.

Why would you be pissed about UK Football?

[Spanish Moss]

baldcat wrote: Because I love it and want to see a competitive team on the field.

God help me I love it so.

Kind of like being desperately in love with a woman who you know will lie and screw around on you every chance she gets.

blueheretic wrote:
baldcat wrote: Talk is cheap.

God knows I've done enough of it the last two days.

Sorry, I'm just one very pissed off man right now.

Why would you be pissed about UK Football?



Well said. I really don't know why this team breaks so many hearts because we have seen it over and over. So the best way to describe it is the love a foolish man has for a lying woman.

We get so many promises from the football staff and players and we should know there is no way on earth they are going to back it up. But we come back for more and more.

We are going into today's game as favorite. I hope we can capitalize on that and look like a favorite. I picked against them because I never get it right. By picking against them, we might win. I am playing a little voodoo to turn the tide. If picking against them doesn't bring a win, next week I am going to visit Madame Bouvier's place on Canal Street and throw a doll in the pot and drink the juice. That should be good for four touchdowns against Ole Miss.

[poodoo]

We are going into today's game as favorite. I hope we can capitalize on that and look like a favorite. I picked against them because I never get it right. By picking against them, we might win. I am playing a little voodoo to turn the tide. If picking against them doesn't bring a win, next week I am going to visit Madame Bouvier's place on Canal Street and throw a doll in the pot and drink the juice. That should be good for four touchdowns against Ole Miss. QUOTE by Spanish Moss

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As I said on another thread, Spanish Moss, KEEP IT UP! :ggrin:

Back to the topic of the thread, at least the players backed up their words against Texas State, even though it was, admittedly, an inferior opponent. Now may they do the same thing against Ole Miss and makeUK one step closer to its goal of playing in a bowl game this season! Surely no one disagrees! :)

By the way, the players obviously showed up against that inferior opponent. :)FWIW, in Saturday's CJ Keenan Burton had said that the problem with similar games has been the players' lack of focus. Burton said that the coaches repeatedly tell the players how good their opponents are, but that the players sometimes don't listen. He firmly placed the blame for those performanceson theplayers themselves (and I remember players making similar comments last season).While I don't know, I'mwondering if the youth of some of Brooks' teams has hadat least something to do with that.

Again, Cats, back up those words againthis coming Saturday! :)