CatsPause Yearbook Cover

[ukgrad]

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/cats-pause-shop_1916_153036

[kipper265]

:shock: Ramel's got some guns now!! :shock:

[SunBaller]

kipper265 wrote: :shock: Ramel's got some guns now!! :shock:


http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/GameAction/20051230Ohio2.jpg

Seems the "guns" were bigger/better/more definedlast year (above). Wishful Thinking??? "Smooth" was "cut" in the picture above. More than this year's Cat's Pause cover. I remember last year when a picture of Patrick Sparks came up and everyone raved about his "new guns". A month after the season started, he was described by many as "smooth and out of shape". Sometimes it appears that the pre-season Forum Posts onUK BasketballForums are just cut and pasted from one year to the next for the past 8 season.

[Wildcatstyle]

I believe he looks bigger in the Cat's Pause pic if not the same. The difference to me in my opinion is that for "1" he isn't flexing in the cat's pause pic as he is in the action photo and "2" I think he looks to have developed more of his bicep as you see it is longer from elbow to shoulder and more defined. Just my opinion.

[Will Lavender]

SunBaller wrote: kipper265 wrote: :shock: Ramel's got some guns now!! :shock:


http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/GameAction/20051230Ohio2.jpg

Seems the "guns" were bigger/better/more definedlast year (above). Wishful Thinking??? "Smooth" was "cut" in the picture above. More than this year's Cat's Pause cover. I remember last year when a picture of Patrick Sparks came up and everyone raved about his "new guns". A month after the season started, he was described by many as "smooth and out of shape". Sometimes it appears that the pre-season Forum Posts onUK BasketballForums are just cut and pasted from one year to the next for the past 8 season.

Well, as the above poster points out, Ramel is bending the arm in this picture, thus the muscle appears bigger. In The Cats' Pause photo, his arms are straight, and so naturally the muscle is elongated.

But really, the size of the man's biceps is meaningless. We know that he put on 18 pounds from last year to this; that could be torso weight, butt weight, whatever. As long as he has more girth and can score in the paint rather than being thrown around like a rag doll, I could care less whether he's "cut" or not.

[kipper265]

SunBaller wrote: kipper265 wrote: :shock: Ramel's got some guns now!! :shock:


http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/GameAction/20051230Ohio2.jpg

Seems the "guns" were bigger/better/more definedlast year (above). Wishful Thinking??? "Smooth" was "cut" in the picture above. More than this year's Cat's Pause cover. I remember last year when a picture of Patrick Sparks came up and everyone raved about his "new guns". A month after the season started, he was described by many as "smooth and out of shape". Sometimes it appears that the pre-season Forum Posts onUK BasketballForums are just cut and pasted from one year to the next for the past 8 season.

His arms look bigger to me on the Cats Pause cover. He looked like a skinny kid to me last year....."ripped" or not. Ripped doesn' equal thick or big. Did my comment really demand yet another SunBaller sarcastic comment laced with colorful text formatting? If you had mentioned that you are upset about Ramel not being a KY boy I would have accused you of cutting and pasting.

Doesn't really matter. I just want him to be powerful enough to penetrate into the lane and finish without being affected by physical contact (like last year and before).

[Sir Richard F. Burton]

What is the significance of the clock being set to 1:04?

[kipper265]

Sir Richard F. Burton wrote: What is the significance of the clock being set to 1:04?

Maybe just a reference to the title "It's Our Time." Other than that, I dunno.

[BlueWorldOrder]

Sir Richard F. Burton wrote: What is the significance of the clock being set to 1:04?

104th season?

[Caveman Catfan]

Bobby Perry gets no pic on the cover. To me that is disappointing as I think he could be the key to this season playing the triple threat from the wing, ala Scott Padgett.

[T75]

Caveman Catfan wrote: Bobby Perry gets no pic on the cover. To me that is disappointing as I think he could be the key to this season playing the triple threat from the wing, ala Scott Padgett.




And Carter. Tubby has said a couple of time that Carter was the most improved player coming into this season. Then he chuckles and says that Carter had more room to improve. He and Perry are both going to have to contribute strongly is UK is to be better than last year.

Still, as good a player as Rondo is, I believe the team chemistry will be improved enough to more than compensate for his loss.

[Will Lavender]

T75 wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote: Bobby Perry gets no pic on the cover. To me that is disappointing as I think he could be the key to this season playing the triple threat from the wing, ala Scott Padgett.




And Carter. Tubby has said a couple of time that Carter was the most improved player coming into this season. Then he chuckles and says that Carter had more room to improve. He and Perry are both going to have to contribute strongly is UK is to be better than last year.

Still, as good a player as Rondo is, I believe the team chemistry will be improved enough to more than compensate for his loss.

Carter's just a soph. If he were on the cover, I would've been shocked.

Now Perry, I can see. In fact, it's sort of disappointing that a cover doesn't include a senior. (There's an argument in there about Tubby's poor recruiting, but I digress.)

Still, though, there's no question that our three best players are on the front of that magazine.

[delkfor3]

ukgrad wrote: http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/cats-pause-shop_1916_153036
Very cool cover.:thumbup

[XUKX]

If I'm not mistaken, this is the second time in their three years they have graced the cover. Freshman year and now their Junior year.

[WildcatDan]

Bradley looks wider across the shoulders and chest as well as his arms looking more developed.

[Caveman Catfan]

Randolph's head looks physically bigger to me. Joe has a strong chin. Randolph has a bandage on his finger!!!

;)

[SWFLACAT]

Bradley looks taller than Crawford.

Tubby has to be tired of that picture of him showing up everywhere.

Oh Yes, the background is white.

And, I have put on a little muscle since last year. :P

[Sir Richard F. Burton]

Caveman Catfan wrote: Randolph's head looks physically bigger to me.


That is because of UK's famed tutors:lol:

[kipper265]

The Holsopple Effect...

Feel the power. :cool:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a329/khopkins/ramel.gif

[trublue4life]

The enitre book looks thicker to me. There must be at least 10 to 15 more pages than last year. That Holsopple is really making a difference!;)

[SunBaller]

Caveman Catfan wrote: Randolph's head looks physically bigger to me. Joe has a strong chin. Randolph has a bandage on his finger!!!

;)

:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup

[SunBaller]

:thumbuptrublue4life wrote: The enitre book looks thicker to me. There must be at least 10 to 15 more pages than last year. That Holsopple is really making a difference!;)
:lol: :lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::thumbup

[Josh]

I get the Yearbook every year as a Christmas gift. I love it, and can't wait to get this one. It's gonna be fantastic.

[UKHAS7NCAA]

kipper265 wrote: The Holsopple Effect...

Feel the power. :cool:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a329/khopkins/ramel.gif
Pretty cool Kipper.

[SunBaller]

Caveman Catfan wrote: Randolph's head looks physically bigger to me. Joe has a strong chin. Randolph has a bandage on his finger!!!

;)

:thumbupRandolph's head must be bigger. His roster height was changed from last year's 6'10" to 6'11" this year.

[Will Lavender]

SunBaller wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote: Randolph's head looks physically bigger to me. Joe has a strong chin. Randolph has a bandage on his finger!!!

;)

:thumbupRandolph's head must be bigger. His roster height was changed from last year's 6'10" to 6'11" this year.
Morris's true height has been questioned for years. I've seen him listed at 6'8"; I've seen him referred to as a "seven footer." (Speaking of tall tales: I've stood beside Joe Crawford before, and he's 6'2". Think about that: a guy 6'2" playing wing forward for the University of Kentucky. No wonder we stunk on defense last season.)

Morris is probably about 6'8" or 6'9". Because he's not a "long" player, it benefits him to be listed as taller than he is: pro scouts take more notice.

However, when they get you to NBA workouts, the first thing they do is measure you without shoes, so I'm not sure the height fibbing ever gets anybody anywhere.

[SunBaller]

Will Lavender wrote: SunBaller wrote: kipper265 wrote: :shock: Ramel's got some guns now!! :shock:


http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/GameAction/20051230Ohio2.jpg

Seems the "guns" were bigger/better/more definedlast year (above). Wishful Thinking??? "Smooth" was "cut" in the picture above. More than this year's Cat's Pause cover. I remember last year when a picture of Patrick Sparks came up and everyone raved about his "new guns". A month after the season started, he was described by many as "smooth and out of shape". Sometimes it appears that the pre-season Forum Posts onUK BasketballForums are just cut and pasted from one year to the next for the past 8 season.

Well, as the above poster points out, Ramel is bending the arm in this picture, thus the muscle appears bigger. In The Cats' Pause photo, his arms are straight, and so naturally the muscle is elongated.

But really, the size of the man's biceps is meaningless. We know that he put on 18 pounds from last year to this; that could be torso weight, butt weight, whatever. As long as he has more girth and can score in the paint rather than being thrown around like a rag doll, I could care less whether he's "cut" or not.

Players with oversized, thick arms and deltoids have never proven to be good outside shooters, good free throw shooters, or finishers on penetration. They shoot bricks and usually are called for charging on penetration. I'll take the guards with the most flexibility like D. Wade, M. Jordan, S. Nash, A. Iverson, Ginobilli (sp?), etc., etc. Guys who are flexible enough to finish or dishin a crowd and hit a free throw every once in a while. Thick solid arms (on Basketball Players)are good for nothing but shooting bricks and getting lay-ups blocked. Not enough flexibility for a guard.

[Will Lavender]

SunBaller wrote: Will Lavender wrote: SunBaller wrote: kipper265 wrote: :shock: Ramel's got some guns now!! :shock:


http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/GameAction/20051230Ohio2.jpg

Seems the "guns" were bigger/better/more definedlast year (above). Wishful Thinking??? "Smooth" was "cut" in the picture above. More than this year's Cat's Pause cover. I remember last year when a picture of Patrick Sparks came up and everyone raved about his "new guns". A month after the season started, he was described by many as "smooth and out of shape". Sometimes it appears that the pre-season Forum Posts onUK BasketballForums are just cut and pasted from one year to the next for the past 8 season.

Well, as the above poster points out, Ramel is bending the arm in this picture, thus the muscle appears bigger. In The Cats' Pause photo, his arms are straight, and so naturally the muscle is elongated.

But really, the size of the man's biceps is meaningless. We know that he put on 18 pounds from last year to this; that could be torso weight, butt weight, whatever. As long as he has more girth and can score in the paint rather than being thrown around like a rag doll, I could care less whether he's "cut" or not.

Players with oversized, thick arms and deltoids have never proven to be good outside shooters, good free throw shooters, or finishers on penetration. They shoot bricks and usually are called for charging on penetration. I'll take the guards with the most flexibility like D. Wade, M. Jordan, S. Nash, A. Iverson, Ginobilli (sp?), etc., etc. Guys who are flexible enough to finish or dishin a crowd and hit a free throw every once in a while. Thick solid arms (on Basketball Players)are good for nothing but shooting bricks and getting lay-ups blocked. Not enough flexibility for a guard.
Interesting point. It does seem like guys who are thinner or rangier are the better pure shooters.

I think this probably has to do with the types of players they are. Guys who are athletic and bulky normally can operate inside, and so that's what they practice: moves to the basket, scoring in the paint, etc. As they practice those moves, their outside shot is neglected.

Guys who are thinner normally can't go inside for strength reasons, and so they practice scoring away from the hoop more. Thus their three point shot naturally improves.

(Keith Bogans is a recent example of a bulky guide who could shoot pretty well from outside. But three point shooting was never something he hung his hat on.)

[WildcatDan]

Azubuike was a fair shooter, slasher, dunker... I don't remember if he was great at free throws but I don't remember him being horrible from the stripe either.

[Will Lavender]

WildcatDan wrote: Azubuike was a fair shooter, slasher, dunker... I don't remember if he was great at free throws but I don't remember him being horrible from the stripe either.
Another good example.

[Chunks06]

SunBaller wrote: Will Lavender wrote: SunBaller wrote: kipper265 wrote: :shock: Ramel's got some guns now!! :shock:


http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/GameAction/20051230Ohio2.jpg

Seems the "guns" were bigger/better/more definedlast year (above). Wishful Thinking??? "Smooth" was "cut" in the picture above. More than this year's Cat's Pause cover. I remember last year when a picture of Patrick Sparks came up and everyone raved about his "new guns". A month after the season started, he was described by many as "smooth and out of shape". Sometimes it appears that the pre-season Forum Posts onUK BasketballForums are just cut and pasted from one year to the next for the past 8 season.

Well, as the above poster points out, Ramel is bending the arm in this picture, thus the muscle appears bigger. In The Cats' Pause photo, his arms are straight, and so naturally the muscle is elongated.

But really, the size of the man's biceps is meaningless. We know that he put on 18 pounds from last year to this; that could be torso weight, butt weight, whatever. As long as he has more girth and can score in the paint rather than being thrown around like a rag doll, I could care less whether he's "cut" or not.

Players with oversized, thick arms and deltoids have never proven to be good outside shooters, good free throw shooters, or finishers on penetration. They shoot bricks and usually are called for charging on penetration. I'll take the guards with the most flexibility like D. Wade, M. Jordan, S. Nash, A. Iverson, Ginobilli (sp?), etc., etc. Guys who are flexible enough to finish or dishin a crowd and hit a free throw every once in a while. Thick solid arms (on Basketball Players)are good for nothing but shooting bricks and getting lay-ups blocked. Not enough flexibility for a guard.


Wade and Jordan were decently thick guys. As you can see the 18 pounds didnt make Bradley a monster and no one is looking for that but everyplayer needs added strength point guard or not. he has not become oversized obviously. Strength is the key here. Do you always find a way to throw some negativity in here?

[Will Lavender]

Chunks06 wrote: SunBaller wrote: Will Lavender wrote: SunBaller wrote: kipper265 wrote: :shock: Ramel's got some guns now!! :shock:


http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/GameAction/20051230Ohio2.jpg

Seems the "guns" were bigger/better/more definedlast year (above). Wishful Thinking??? "Smooth" was "cut" in the picture above. More than this year's Cat's Pause cover. I remember last year when a picture of Patrick Sparks came up and everyone raved about his "new guns". A month after the season started, he was described by many as "smooth and out of shape". Sometimes it appears that the pre-season Forum Posts onUK BasketballForums are just cut and pasted from one year to the next for the past 8 season.

Well, as the above poster points out, Ramel is bending the arm in this picture, thus the muscle appears bigger. In The Cats' Pause photo, his arms are straight, and so naturally the muscle is elongated.

But really, the size of the man's biceps is meaningless. We know that he put on 18 pounds from last year to this; that could be torso weight, butt weight, whatever. As long as he has more girth and can score in the paint rather than being thrown around like a rag doll, I could care less whether he's "cut" or not.

Players with oversized, thick arms and deltoids have never proven to be good outside shooters, good free throw shooters, or finishers on penetration. They shoot bricks and usually are called for charging on penetration. I'll take the guards with the most flexibility like D. Wade, M. Jordan, S. Nash, A. Iverson, Ginobilli (sp?), etc., etc. Guys who are flexible enough to finish or dishin a crowd and hit a free throw every once in a while. Thick solid arms (on Basketball Players)are good for nothing but shooting bricks and getting lay-ups blocked. Not enough flexibility for a guard.


Wade and Jordan were decently thick guys. As you can see the 18 pounds didnt make Bradley a monster and no one is looking for that but everyplayer needs added strength point guard or not. he has not become oversized obviously. Strength is the key here. Do you always find a way to throw some negativity in here?


Ramel's probably never going to be a great three point shooter. He'll be decent -- 30% to 35% -- but never outstanding.

What he can do is get in the mid-range and score. He's about as good of a 15-20 foot shooter as I've seen at Kentucky in some time.

Where he's very poor is scoring -- or just operating in general -- in the paint. When he gets in there, he's really tossed around. He's missed more easy shots at UK than I can count. If he could get that facet of his game going, keep up the good mid-range work, and be a decent three point threat, then he could really be a good scoring poing guard.

If all those things happen, I look for him to average 12 to 14 a game this season. That'd be huge.

[kipper265]

UKHAS7NCAA wrote: kipper265 wrote: The Holsopple Effect...

Feel the power. :cool:


Pretty cool Kipper.

Thanks. :cool:

[Chunks06]

Will Lavender wrote: Chunks06 wrote: SunBaller wrote: Will Lavender wrote: SunBaller wrote: kipper265 wrote: :shock: Ramel's got some guns now!! :shock:


http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/GameAction/20051230Ohio2.jpg

Seems the "guns" were bigger/better/more definedlast year (above). Wishful Thinking??? "Smooth" was "cut" in the picture above. More than this year's Cat's Pause cover. I remember last year when a picture of Patrick Sparks came up and everyone raved about his "new guns". A month after the season started, he was described by many as "smooth and out of shape". Sometimes it appears that the pre-season Forum Posts onUK BasketballForums are just cut and pasted from one year to the next for the past 8 season.

Well, as the above poster points out, Ramel is bending the arm in this picture, thus the muscle appears bigger. In The Cats' Pause photo, his arms are straight, and so naturally the muscle is elongated.

But really, the size of the man's biceps is meaningless. We know that he put on 18 pounds from last year to this; that could be torso weight, butt weight, whatever. As long as he has more girth and can score in the paint rather than being thrown around like a rag doll, I could care less whether he's "cut" or not.

Players with oversized, thick arms and deltoids have never proven to be good outside shooters, good free throw shooters, or finishers on penetration. They shoot bricks and usually are called for charging on penetration. I'll take the guards with the most flexibility like D. Wade, M. Jordan, S. Nash, A. Iverson, Ginobilli (sp?), etc., etc. Guys who are flexible enough to finish or dishin a crowd and hit a free throw every once in a while. Thick solid arms (on Basketball Players)are good for nothing but shooting bricks and getting lay-ups blocked. Not enough flexibility for a guard.


Wade and Jordan were decently thick guys. As you can see the 18 pounds didnt make Bradley a monster and no one is looking for that but everyplayer needs added strength point guard or not. he has not become oversized obviously. Strength is the key here. Do you always find a way to throw some negativity in here?


Ramel's probably never going to be a great three point shooter. He'll be decent -- 30% to 35% -- but never outstanding.

What he can do is get in the mid-range and score. He's about as good of a 15-20 foot shooter as I've seen at Kentucky in some time.

Where he's very poor is scoring -- or just operating in general -- in the paint. When he gets in there, he's really tossed around. He's missed more easy shots at UK than I can count. If he could get that facet of his game going, keep up the good mid-range work, and be a decent three point threat, then he could really be a good scoring poing guard.

If all those things happen, I look for him to average 12 to 14 a game this season. That'd be huge.

I agree. Point guards arent always expected to be scorers. They are floor generals. I expect him to get about 12 a game this year I think Bradley will be closer to 35% on the three pointers though. He went through a solid stretch before hurting his wrist that he was knocking down a good percentage of threes. And like you his mid range jumper is great and a lost art.

[SunBaller]

Chunks06 wrote: Will Lavender wrote: Chunks06 wrote: SunBaller wrote: Will Lavender wrote: SunBaller wrote: kipper265 wrote: :shock: Ramel's got some guns now!! :shock:


http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/GameAction/20051230Ohio2.jpg

Seems the "guns" were bigger/better/more definedlast year (above). Wishful Thinking??? "Smooth" was "cut" in the picture above. More than this year's Cat's Pause cover. I remember last year when a picture of Patrick Sparks came up and everyone raved about his "new guns". A month after the season started, he was described by many as "smooth and out of shape". Sometimes it appears that the pre-season Forum Posts onUK BasketballForums are just cut and pasted from one year to the next for the past 8 season.

Well, as the above poster points out, Ramel is bending the arm in this picture, thus the muscle appears bigger. In The Cats' Pause photo, his arms are straight, and so naturally the muscle is elongated.

But really, the size of the man's biceps is meaningless. We know that he put on 18 pounds from last year to this; that could be torso weight, butt weight, whatever. As long as he has more girth and can score in the paint rather than being thrown around like a rag doll, I could care less whether he's "cut" or not.

Players with oversized, thick arms and deltoids have never proven to be good outside shooters, good free throw shooters, or finishers on penetration. They shoot bricks and usually are called for charging on penetration. I'll take the guards with the most flexibility like D. Wade, M. Jordan, S. Nash, A. Iverson, Ginobilli (sp?), etc., etc. Guys who are flexible enough to finish or dishin a crowd and hit a free throw every once in a while. Thick solid arms (on Basketball Players)are good for nothing but shooting bricks and getting lay-ups blocked. Not enough flexibility for a guard.


Wade and Jordan were decently thick guys. As you can see the 18 pounds didnt make Bradley a monster and no one is looking for that but everyplayer needs added strength point guard or not. he has not become oversized obviously. Strength is the key here. Do you always find a way to throw some negativity in here?


Ramel's probably never going to be a great three point shooter. He'll be decent -- 30% to 35% -- but never outstanding.

What he can do is get in the mid-range and score. He's about as good of a 15-20 foot shooter as I've seen at Kentucky in some time.

Where he's very poor is scoring -- or just operating in general -- in the paint. When he gets in there, he's really tossed around. He's missed more easy shots at UK than I can count. If he could get that facet of his game going, keep up the good mid-range work, and be a decent three point threat, then he could really be a good scoring poing guard.

If all those things happen, I look for him to average 12 to 14 a game this season. That'd be huge.

I agree. Point guards arent always expected to be scorers. They are floor generals. I expect him to get about 12 a game this year I think Bradley will be closer to 35% on the three pointers though. He went through a solid stretch before hurting his wrist that he was knocking down a good percentage of threes. And like you his mid range jumper is great and a lost art.
Sorry folks, thick arms are the worst thing that can happen for any guard. It's all about flexibility. Last year's picture above is where he should be. I'm sorry if you can't stand controversy. Grow up and get over it. Things aren't going to always be your way even if you were raised that way. Don't take it personal if someone disagrees with your abstract logic. The minority of fans that post here and Tubby could make things better just by changing their abstract logic. Most of you forget that you are a very, very small minority of the millions of UK Fans in the world. Most here are only Tubby fans and would follow him back to any college. The majority of Kentucky Fans won't real basketball players and real baskeball teams. It's all about the NCAA Tournament.

[XUKX]

SunBaller wrote:
The majority of Kentucky Fans won't real basketball players and real baskeball teams. It's all about the NCAA Tournament.
Not to create any controversy but I think that word should be 'want'. Just sayin'.......

[WildcatDan]

Most here are only Tubby fans and would follow him back to any college.
BULL.

That may be the single most silly thing I have seen typed on this message board. Name ONE UK fan that regularly posts onthis board that would quit cheering for UK and cheer for whichever team Tubby coached if he ever left here. If Tubby ever left most folks here would do what I would do: get behind the new UK coach and then read with mild interest what was going on with Tubby (or his new coaching gig) if the subject came up.

[patpat4three]

to kinda change the subject a lil bit ... yall cant tell me that ramel doesnt look like eddie murphy! ... lol and i think joe looks like cuba gooding jr.. and randolph looks like the chesire cat

[wyldkatzky]

Will Lavender wrote: SunBaller wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote: Randolph's head looks physically bigger to me. Joe has a strong chin. Randolph has a bandage on his finger!!!

;)

:thumbupRandolph's head must be bigger. His roster height was changed from last year's 6'10" to 6'11" this year.
Morris's true height has been questioned for years. I've seen him listed at 6'8"; I've seen him referred to as a "seven footer." (Speaking of tall tales: I've stood beside Joe Crawford before, and he's 6'2". Think about that: a guy 6'2" playing wing forward for the University of Kentucky. No wonder we stunk on defense last season.)

Morris is probably about 6'8" or 6'9". Because he's not a "long" player, it benefits him to be listed as taller than he is: pro scouts take more notice.

However, when they get you to NBA workouts, the first thing they do is measure you without shoes, so I'm not sure the height fibbing ever gets anybody anywhere.



They measure the team this year with shoes on, which is why he is taller in this years stats, it is possible that he could have grown as well, but it seems everyone listed is at least another inch taller.

This is from memory, not sure if I remember it correctly but I'm pretty sure there was a topic about them being measure with shoes on this year.

[Will Lavender]

SunBaller wrote: Chunks06 wrote: Will Lavender wrote: Chunks06 wrote: SunBaller wrote: Will Lavender wrote: SunBaller wrote: kipper265 wrote: :shock: Ramel's got some guns now!! :shock:


http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Graphics/GameAction/20051230Ohio2.jpg

Seems the "guns" were bigger/better/more definedlast year (above). Wishful Thinking??? "Smooth" was "cut" in the picture above. More than this year's Cat's Pause cover. I remember last year when a picture of Patrick Sparks came up and everyone raved about his "new guns". A month after the season started, he was described by many as "smooth and out of shape". Sometimes it appears that the pre-season Forum Posts onUK BasketballForums are just cut and pasted from one year to the next for the past 8 season.

Well, as the above poster points out, Ramel is bending the arm in this picture, thus the muscle appears bigger. In The Cats' Pause photo, his arms are straight, and so naturally the muscle is elongated.

But really, the size of the man's biceps is meaningless. We know that he put on 18 pounds from last year to this; that could be torso weight, butt weight, whatever. As long as he has more girth and can score in the paint rather than being thrown around like a rag doll, I could care less whether he's "cut" or not.

Players with oversized, thick arms and deltoids have never proven to be good outside shooters, good free throw shooters, or finishers on penetration. They shoot bricks and usually are called for charging on penetration. I'll take the guards with the most flexibility like D. Wade, M. Jordan, S. Nash, A. Iverson, Ginobilli (sp?), etc., etc. Guys who are flexible enough to finish or dishin a crowd and hit a free throw every once in a while. Thick solid arms (on Basketball Players)are good for nothing but shooting bricks and getting lay-ups blocked. Not enough flexibility for a guard.


Wade and Jordan were decently thick guys. As you can see the 18 pounds didnt make Bradley a monster and no one is looking for that but everyplayer needs added strength point guard or not. he has not become oversized obviously. Strength is the key here. Do you always find a way to throw some negativity in here?


Ramel's probably never going to be a great three point shooter. He'll be decent -- 30% to 35% -- but never outstanding.

What he can do is get in the mid-range and score. He's about as good of a 15-20 foot shooter as I've seen at Kentucky in some time.

Where he's very poor is scoring -- or just operating in general -- in the paint. When he gets in there, he's really tossed around. He's missed more easy shots at UK than I can count. If he could get that facet of his game going, keep up the good mid-range work, and be a decent three point threat, then he could really be a good scoring poing guard.

If all those things happen, I look for him to average 12 to 14 a game this season. That'd be huge.

I agree. Point guards arent always expected to be scorers. They are floor generals. I expect him to get about 12 a game this year I think Bradley will be closer to 35% on the three pointers though. He went through a solid stretch before hurting his wrist that he was knocking down a good percentage of threes. And like you his mid range jumper is great and a lost art.
Sorry folks, thick arms are the worst thing that can happen for any guard. It's all about flexibility. Last year's picture above is where he should be. I'm sorry if you can't stand controversy. Grow up and get over it. Things aren't going to always be your way even if you were raised that way. Don't take it personal if someone disagrees with your abstract logic. The minority of fans that post here and Tubby could make things better just by changing their abstract logic. Most of you forget that you are a very, very small minority of the millions of UK Fans in the world. Most here are only Tubby fans and would follow him back to any college. The majority of Kentucky Fans won't real basketball players and real baskeball teams. It's all about the NCAA Tournament.
To tell you the truth, I don't really understand this post.

Nor am I really sure who you're talking to.

I agree with you that big arms are normally not good for a guard, and I would assume that Scott Holsopple knows this and has a special regimen for perimeter players.

Not sure how to respond to the rest of the post. You seem to be having about six different conversations in one post. I fail to see the Tubby Smith/Ramel Bradley's biceps connection. Maybe it's just my "abstract logic"?

[Caveman Catfan]

Will Lavender wrote: WildcatDan wrote: Azubuike was a fair shooter, slasher, dunker... I don't remember if he was great at free throws but I don't remember him being horrible from the stripe either.
Another good example.

Rumeal Robinson was a pretty stocky bulky PG who had a real nice college career.

[Blue Heaven]

Contrary to what some on this thread think, I have always felt Bradley was good at getting to the lane and getting a shot off. I beleive Holsopple will be the MVP this year for the Cats. Not just for getting the guys stronger, but for laying down the law with his rules. This not only will be reflected on the court, but it is an attitude they will/should carry with them for life. And when it's all said and done, that is what really matters.

[bigsky]

trublue4life wrote: The enitre book looks thicker to me. There must be at least 10 to 15 more pages than last year. That Holsopple is really making a difference!;)
LOL!

[Will Lavender]

Blue Heaven wrote: Contrary to what some on this thread think, I have always felt Bradley was good at getting to the lane and getting a shot off. I beleive Holsopple will be the MVP this year for the Cats. Not just for getting the guys stronger, but for laying down the law with his rules. This not only will be reflected on the court, but it is an attitude they will/should carry with them for life. And when it's all said and done, that is what really matters.
He's quick enough to get in there, he just has problems finishing once he's amongst the trees.

I bet Bradley has scored 85% of his points from 15 feet and out during his career at UK. That would be okay if he were a stellar passer, but he's not: he's clearly a scoring guard.

I think Ramel's going to have a fine season. I love his fire, and I think that that facet of his game will only crank up once he gets more minutes. But I also think we might see some of a D. Jasper/R. Bradley backcourt at times this season, and with Jasper's passing ability that might be an interesting line-up.

[Terry L. Wildcat]

bigsky wrote: trublue4life wrote: The enitre book looks thicker to me. There must be at least 10 to 15 more pages than last year. That Holsopple is really making a difference!;)
LOL!
:cool::thumbup

[poodoo]

WildcatDan wrote: Most here are only Tubby fans and would follow him back to any college.
BULL.

That may be the single most silly thing I have seen typed on this message board. Name ONE UK fan that regularly posts onthis board that would quit cheering for UK and cheer for whichever team Tubby coached if he ever left here. If Tubby ever left most folks here would do what I would do: get behind the new UK coach and then read with mild interest what was going on with Tubby (or his new coaching gig) if the subject came up.






EXACTLY, Wildcat Dan. While I did not read the original post, my reaction to the post you have pasted here is the SAME as yours.

Unreal. Someonehas saidthat "Most here" would do that? :(I don't even think ONE poster here would do that! I'm just shaking my head on that one. :(

[SunBaller]

There seems to be some who have taken a defensive posture. Guilt feelings????? Don't feel guilty and don't be defensive. Just ignore the statement. I believe we'll find out without guessing or arguingby March of 2007.

[WildcatDan]

SunBaller wrote: There seems to be some who have taken a defensive posture. Guilt feelings????? Don't feel guilty and don't be defensive. Just ignore the statement. I believe we'll find out without guessing or arguingby March of 2007.

Hey there tiger, how bout you not tell us what or when to post? If you are going to make a crazy statement like you did thenyou should expect someoneto answer back. Perhaps you realized how silly it was and are being a bit defensive yourself?

By that last sentence are you suggesting that Tubby will be gone at the end of this season?

[poodoo]

Hmmm. So it seems the poster has identified himself. Again, I had not even read the quote WildcatDan had pasted (and with class omitting the poster's name), but I did agree with WildcatDan's post, so I guess that does make two of us who are FEELING GUILTY! :ggrin:

Sure, that's it! Both of us are being defensive and feeling quilty, just like "MOST of us here (at WCN)are only Tubby fans and would follow him back to any college." :ggrin:No further comment is necessary, in my humble opinion. :)

[SunBaller]

Hmmmm. The guilt continues. Guilt makes folks continue to defend themselves and continue to say they will not defend themselves anymore.

Actually, I don't really believe that too many fans would spend so much time defending Tubby if they didn't truly love the University of Kentucky. All I ever care about is that the University of Kentucky Basketball Squadis successful. And by "successful", I don't mean winning more games each season than we lose. The only thing that is important is post-season (NCAA Tournament) success. Setting records for Ten (10) loss seasons are important to many of the millions of UK Fanatics, but Final Fours and National Championships are all that are important to me. Tubby's teams have set a record for Final Four droughts. That's absolutely not acceptable to the Millions of UK Basketball Fanatics. We've suffered with the football team. We won't continue to suffer with the Basketball Team. The bottom line is: If Tubby is Successful, the UK Basketball Team will be Succesful. Iwant Tubby to be successful because I only care about the UK Basketball Team, not Tubby. IMO, Tubby cannot have thetype of success that most other coaches have had at UK. I will not defend his shortcomings, but again, If he's successful the UK Basketball Team will be successful. That's what it is all about.

[bleedbluelady]

SunBaller wrote: Hmmmm. The guilt continues. Guilt makes folks continue to defend themselves and continue to say they will not defend themselves anymore.

Actually, I don't really believe that too many fans would spend so much time defending Tubby if they didn't truly love the University of Kentucky. All I ever care about is that the University of Kentucky Basketball Squadis successful. And by "successful", I don't mean winning more games each season than we lose. The only thing that is important is post-season (NCAA Tournament) success. Setting records for Ten (10) loss seasons are important to many of the millions of UK Fanatics, but Final Fours and National Championships are all that are important to me. Tubby's teams have set a record for Final Four droughts. That's absolutely not acceptable to the Millions of UK Basketball Fanatics. We've suffered with the football team. We won't continue to suffer with the Basketball Team. The bottom line is: If Tubby is Successful, the UK Basketball Team will be Succesful. Iwant Tubby to be successful because I only care about the UK Basketball Team, not Tubby. IMO, Tubby cannot have thetype of success that most other coaches have had at UK. I will not defend his shortcomings, but again, If he's successful the UK Basketball Team will be successful. That's what it is all about.


Okay, I will admit I am totally lost. Yeah, I know, what's new? What the heck does this have to do with you calling posters' "Tubby's cousin" and saying they will follow Tubby to his next job, rather than continuing tosupport UK? I have been a UK fan for over (gulp) 50 years. I'm not a fan of the coach, I'm a fan of the program. I can sincerely say I don't know of one single UK fan that would follow a UK coach to become a fan of a different school. And I haven't heard you name one, even though you said many of the fans who posted on here would.

[WildcatDan]

SunBaller wrote: Hmmmm. The guilt continues. Guilt makes folks continue to defend themselves and continue to say they will not defend themselves anymore.

Whatever. Not having a leg to stand on makes folks post silly thingslike this.

I think we can all agree that we want the UK basketball program to do well. I think we can all agree that Tubby Smith will be our coach this season. I think we can all agree that if Tubby does well this season then UK will do well this season. So I say, GO TUBBY but most of all (and even if Tubby leaves tomorrow) GO CATS!

[poodoo]

Hmmmm. The guilt continues. Guilt makes folks continue to defend themselves and continue to say they will not defend themselves anymore.QUOTE by SunBaller

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The boldface "Hmmm" makes me know the post is directed to me, as I had begun mine that way in response to my post in agreement with WildcatDan about the then anonymous poster.:)

This post is so laughable that it is ridiculous to respond to, BUT I will briefly do so, just once,and then forget it,for obviously what I say will not be understood or believed. :)If you believeMOST of ushereareTubby fans and would follow him back to any college, as you posted, howin the world could you possibly believe the truth!:ggrin:

Feeling guilty and defending myself! Oh, and that goes for me and our administrator Wildcat Dan, of course! Actually, I had agreed with WildcatDan's postthat I don't think there is ONE UK fan here who feels that way and that such a thought wasridiculous (from the anonymous poster Wildcat Dan had quoted!).Thatwas all!

While you may call it our defending ourselves, we can't even understand what you are talking about, for it's so far from the truth! Continue to believe whatever you want about me, Wildcat Dan, and most of the others here on WCN. :)MEANWHILEall thoseothers to which you refer, and I myself,will continue loving UK basketballFIRST and trying to support whoever is the coach through as many years as the Lord allows us to enjoy it and also wishing Tubby the best of luck wherever he goes, but not even keeping up with how he does BECAUSE we will be too busy keeping us with UK basketball and its new coach! :)

These posts are the only ones I have ever responded to of yours, Sunballer (except for posts of praise or agreement for points made), and I did so only because both had been directed toward me. I had remembered WCF experiences and false accusationsso well and had PURPOSEDLY avoided any of your posts here. I guess it's a shame that Wildcat Dan had pasted your postwithout a name attached. Anyway,it is the LAST time.At least we ALL are UK basketball fans, whether you realize you or not. :)

[DCWildcat]

Sorry folks, thick arms are the worst thing that can happen for any guard. It's all about flexibility. Last year's picture above is where he should be. I'm sorry if you can't stand controversy. Grow up and get over it. Things aren't going to always be your way even if you were raised that way. Don't take it personal if someone disagrees with your abstract logic. The minority of fans that post here and Tubby could make things better just by changing their abstract logic. Most of you forget that you are a very, very small minority of the millions of UK Fans in the world. Most here are only Tubby fans and would follow him back to any college. The majority of Kentucky Fans won't real basketball players and real baskeball teams. It's all about the NCAA Tournament.

You managed to take us from a Cats Pause cover, to muscles being bad for basketball, to wild accusations about Kentucky fans who support Tubby, to random declarations of prestige in college basketball...

...and accuse everyone else of abstract logic?

Which isn't really a sensible accusation anyway.


I see what you mean about muscles getting the way of cutting and shooter. Clearly, all of the below are poor shooters and slashers, and have no basketball future:

Vince Carter

Lebron James


Deron Williams

Kelenna Azubuike

Maurice Ager

Shannon Brown

Derek Fisher

Damon Stoudamire

Corey Maggette

Rashaad McCants

Richard Jefferson

Marcus Williams

Marcus Fizer

PJ Tucker

Denham Brown

Caron Butler

Will Bynum

Baron Davis

Chuck Davis

Gerald Wallace

Luther Head

Jarrett Jack

Dahntay Jones


That's a list of players at all positions 1-3, ranging from shooters to slashers to everything in between, and all are seriously jacked.

Which is more likely to be right: that every strength & conditioning coach in the country is incorrectly training their players, or an overgeneralized statement that just got pounded by counterexamples?

[DCWildcat]

Hmmmm. The guilt continues. Guilt makes folks continue to defend themselves and continue to say they will not defend themselves anymore. Actually, I don't really believe that too many fans would spend so much time defending Tubby if they didn't truly love the University of Kentucky. All I ever care about is that the University of Kentucky Basketball Squad is successful. And by "successful", I don't mean winning more games each season than we lose. The only thing that is important is post-season (NCAA Tournament) success. Setting records for Ten (10) loss seasons are important to many of the millions of UK Fanatics, but Final Fours and National Championships are all that are important to me. Tubby's teams have set a record for Final Four droughts. That's absolutely not acceptable to the Millions of UK Basketball Fanatics. We've suffered with the football team. We won't continue to suffer with the Basketball Team. The bottom line is: If Tubby is Successful, the UK Basketball Team will be Succesful. I want Tubby to be successful because I only care about the UK Basketball Team, not Tubby. IMO, Tubby cannot have the type of success that most other coaches have had at UK. I will not defend his shortcomings, but again, If he's successful the UK Basketball Team will be successful. That's what it is all about.

How many times will you revert into a random, unrealted emotional tangent to dig yourself out of a hole before realizing that it doesn't work?