Seton Hall @ Duke

[beeballerbluegrchs]

Wow! What an amazing blowout by Duke, beating a team in amajor conference, the BIG EAST, by 43! Obviously Duke is deserving of their # 1 rating if they can rack up 93 in a game against a division 1A school.IDoubt anyone will think Duke's overrated after that one. I sure hope that this amazing play by Duke doesn't continue because if they're that good, than who can beat them? Hopefully this game is just a fluke, but I doubt it. I'm fearing forany team that faces Duke.

[NOknee6of7]

I wouldn't read into that too much. That's a good win, but Seton Hall is extremely young this year. They looked like deer in headlights. I think there is only one or two seniors on the entire roster. Four freshmen, and four sophomores. They were picked to finish second to last (15th). Duke is solid, but I'm not sold just yet.

[Will Lavender]

Not only is Seton Hall young, but they also have a lame duck coach. Capital L, capital D. And for good reason: Louis Orr was possibly the worst hire in the history of the Northeast programs. Worse than Tommy Amaker, worse than Fran Fraschilla. Worse than...gulp...Bruiser Flint.

I will say this:

Duke is a very, very tough basketball team. Definitely worthy of being #1.

But I agree with Rick Majerus: let's not give the Blue Devils the title just yet. In my mind, they aren't as good as UNC was last year, nor are they as good as the UCONN Huskies two years ago. It's a pretty wide open field this season in college basketball...but I will grudgingly admit that the title goes through Durham.

[beeballerbluegrchs]

I agree that a game against Seton Hall means little, but beating Any team that bad is impressive and kind of cruel. JJ Reddick didn't come out until there were 5 mins left in the game and they were winning by about 40! Seems a bit classless, but it's pointless to try to complain about something Coach K the GOD does becauseso manywill disagree w/ you. Everybody LOVES Coach K. That's why he'sin commercials and in magazine ads. ALSO CORRECTION FINAL: 93 to 40!!! My bad, I must have written it incorrectly because I didn't believe it could be true!

[VIIBanners]

beeballerbluegrchs wrote: I agree that a game against Seton Hall means little, but beating Any team that bad is impressive and kind of cruel. JJ Reddick didn't come out until there were 5 mins left in the game and they were winning by about 40! Seems a bit classless, but it's pointless to try to complain about something Coach K the GOD does becauseso manywill disagree w/ you. Everybody LOVES Coach K. That's why he'sin commercials and in magazine ads. ALSO CORRECTION FINAL: 93 to 40!!! My bad, I must have written it incorrectly because I didn't believe it could be true!
Not me, I hate him, and he is classless. He's a media whore and back-door cheat when comes to recruiting through commercials. Something has to give with this guy... there has to be a line drawn between personal financial gain and recruiting advantage through nationally televised commercials. A coach should not be able to talk about winning tradition, making guys "not only better ball players, but better people", and so on in a freaking commercial... What a joke.

Question: Could, say, Louisville or UK make a "Tubby Smith" or "Rick Pitino" commercial talking like K does in that credit card ad?...The adnot have any corporate connection... Would that be considered gaining a recruiting advantage?

If so, what is the difference?

[rickdacatkilla]

I HATE DUKE

[kauffman21]

if we dont start winning again in late march, people are going to start calling'kentucky blue' 'duke' blue......and i just couldnt deal with that

[Will Lavender]

kauffman21 wrote: if we dont start winning again in late march, people are going to start calling'kentucky blue' 'duke' blue......and i just couldnt deal with that
In two of the last three NCAA Tournaments, we have advanced farther than Duke.

[trublu]

rickdacatkilla wrote: I HATE DUKE
DITTO!

Beeballer, are you a dookie? You sure sound like it with that post.

[NOknee6of7]

Finally something we all agree on. We hate Duke to no end. I just can't bring myself to give them any type of respect. How much do I hate Duke? If Kentucky played them, I would cheer for Kentu..........well....let's just say I would sit there and watch in dead silence!;)

[TrueblueCATfan]

rickdacatkilla wrote: I HATE DUKE




I HATE LOSERVILLE....AND DUKE

[beeballerbluegrchs]

VIIBanners wrote: beeballerbluegrchs wrote: I agree that a game against Seton Hall means little, but beating Any team that bad is impressive and kind of cruel. JJ Reddick didn't come out until there were 5 mins left in the game and they were winning by about 40! Seems a bit classless, but it's pointless to try to complain about something Coach K the GOD does becauseso manywill disagree w/ you. Everybody LOVES Coach K. That's why he'sin commercials and in magazine ads. ALSO CORRECTION FINAL: 93 to 40!!! My bad, I must have written it incorrectly because I didn't believe it could be true!
Not me, I hate him, and he is classless. He's a media whore and back-door cheat when comes to recruiting through commercials. Something has to give with this guy... there has to be a line drawn between personal financial gain and recruiting advantage through nationally televised commercials. A coach should not be able to talk about winning tradition, making guys "not only better ball players, but better people", and so on in a freaking commercial... What a joke.

Question: Could, say, Louisville or UK make a "Tubby Smith" or "Rick Pitino" commercial talking like K does in that credit card ad?...The adnot have any corporate connection... Would that be considered gaining a recruiting advantage?

If so, what is the difference?

I agree. I believe have nationally televised commercials and ads is an unfair form of recruiting and should be made illegal be the NCAA. I was also being sarcastic about everyone loves Coach K. I definitely don't, but everyone in the MEDIA does and it bugs me to no end.

[beeballerbluegrchs]

trublu wrote: rickdacatkilla wrote: I HATE DUKE
DITTO!

Beeballer, are you a dookie? You sure sound like it with that post.



I HATE DUKE!!!! I root against Duke, no matter who they're playing, even probably UL if Duke ever played them, and voice my Duke hating often to others. I believe that no one who's a true UK fan can also like Duke, and I definitely love UK and hate PUKE. I HATE Laetn\ner as well. Just to clear up that I"m not a DUKE BLUE, I'm UK BLUE.

Sorry if my post made me sound like a one of those Durham fans, I just wanted to point out that Duke will probably be for real this year. Sorry for the mix up. I hope that they lose every single game for the rest of the season, but it's doubtful. Duke=cheating, unfair publicity, and all evil in college bball

[NOknee6of7]

Duke=cheating


Sorry man, but there's another school you can pull out of those same letters that equates the exact same times 10.

[beeballerbluegrchs]

NOknee6of7 wrote: Duke=cheating


Sorry man, but there's another school you can pull out of those same letters that equates the exact same times 10.

How many examples can you give me of times that UK has cheated (other than Eddie Sutton?)

[NOknee6of7]

You are kidding, right? Sutton was a saint compared to another coach I won't name, but youcan probably use your imagination and guess.You know what, I'm not even going to get into this argument. It's pointless and will only end in me getting banned. I will put it this way; I have an article somewhere where a 64 team tournament was put together that was made up of only teams that had violated NCAA rules. Louisville was a 6 seed. UK was a 1 seed of course. Needless to say UK was crowned the Champion.

[beeballerbluegrchs]

OK w/e NoKnee. I don't know enough about UL's history to make a good comeback because I really don't care enough about your history. Here's something about Duke though (since that's who this post was originally about)

Andre Sweet - Former Duke player - transferred to Seton Hall. Said this about Coach K and the refs:

'So, is it true? Does Duke really get all the calls?' " Sweet mimics. "I'm like, 'Of course, it's true. It's Duke.' It's Mike Krzyzewski. The refs were afraid of him. He could get you calls that no one else could get. That's part of playing for Duke.

[NOknee6of7]

There is no doubt in my mind about the power that coach K has. It is very sickening.I don't mean to sound like a b-hole man, but there is just something about Kentucky or ANY team from the $EC calling another team "cheaters" that makes me scoff. I have no respect for cheaters, and it seems like a different team from the $EC is placed on probation every week.

[MudCat]

NOknee6of7 wrote: Finally something we all agree on. We hate Duke to no end. I just can't bring myself to give them any type of respect. How much do I hate Duke? If Kentucky played them, I would cheer for Kentu..........well....let's just say I would sit there and watch in dead silence!;)
I don't want to bore you with a long story, but this really was funny:

Last winter, I was travelling to Akron, OH every week for work. One of the guys I worked with graduated from UNC, and another guy, who works at our corporate officewent to Duke Law.

So, we're on a conference call, for our weekly update, and this was the week of one of the games between UNC/Duke (The one that went into OT. February?)

Anyway, they start jawing at one another, and finally, they ask me:

"JB, who you rooting for?"

I paused for about two seconds, and it came to me:

"A large sinkhole at center court 1.3 seconds before the ref tosses up the ball for the opening tip."

Granted, it was probablyfunnier in real time, but everyone but those two absolutely broke up.

Anyway, thought I would share.:)

[beeballerbluegrchs]

NOknee6of7 wrote: There is no doubt in my mind about the power that coach K has. It is very sickening.I don't mean to sound like a b-hole man, but there is just something about Kentucky or ANY team from the $EC calling another team "cheaters" that makes me scoff. I have no respect for cheaters, and it seems like a different team from the $EC is placed on probation every week.:shock:I really am unsure what incidents/teams you're referring to.

[NOknee6of7]

JB, that is very funny. I would definitly have to say I would cheer for UNC. While they have several boners for fans, not nearly as many as Puke.

I really am unsure what incidents/teams you're referring to.





beball, where have you been, under a rock??? This clip from an actual article in the Birmingham Times pretty much tells the tale...



It was a culture of cheating. That culture, some said, has spread to the Southeastern Conference, and is a result of acceptance of cheating among many coaches, school administrators, fans — and even sports reporters.
After the NCAA leveled sanctions at the University of Alabama earlier this year in a recruiting scandal that included allegations of a $115,000 payoff to a high school coach, the Birmingham Post-Herald decided to take a closer look at the problem of cheating in college athletics and the role the NCAA plays in policing athletic programs.
The series examines how the organization of the NCAA contributes to cheating, why cheaters win and whether penalties are applied fairly to violating institutions.
No conference has violated the rules quite as blatantly as did the old Southwest Conference. Of the five schools that won conference championships from 1981 to '96 — Arkansas, Southern Methodist, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech — only Arkansas eluded NCAA probation. In 1987, SMU received the only death penalty handed down by the NCAA. In 1996, the Southwest Conference died, a victim of its own vices and diminished level of talent. Its members scattered to three conferences.
Some say the Southeastern Conference might be following the same path.
Since 1990, eight SEC members have been penalized nine times for major football rules violations (Alabama has been caught twice), while SEC men's basketball teams have committed six major infractions. That makes the SEC the pacesetter in NCAA rules violations.
In 2002, Alabama and Kentucky were slapped with serious NCAA sanctions. NCAA investigators are exploring Arkansas' football program, and LSU has recently launched a probe into its football program's academics.
On Friday, Arkansas self-imposed sanctions through 2004-05 in football and basketball after finding athletes were overpaid for work with a Dallas booster. The NCAA will rule on whether to accept Arkansas' penalties in August.
Tennessee came under scrutiny twice recently. First, the Vols were stripped of two football scholarships when the head coach admitted meeting with a former Alabama player before the player was granted his release from Alabama.
Then Mobile Register sports writer Wayne Rowe admitted cashing two checks totaling $4,500 from a Mobile insurance executive and forwarding them to a former Tennessee quarterback in February 1999. Rowe resigned from the newspaper in May 2002.
"The numbers bear out (a culture of cheating)," said former Auburn Coach Terry Bowden, now a college football analyst for ABC Sports.
Bill Curry, a former head coach at Alabama and Kentucky and now an ESPN college football color analyst, said the SEC has "the most visible examples" of cheating.
He said the culture often works like this: A school's boosters disregard NCAA rules and regulations, wanting to win at all costs. They pressure their school's athletic administration to do the same. That, in turn, puts pressure on the other schools to keep pace with cheaters — by cheating themselves. These schools excuse themselves using an "everyone is doing it" mentality.
"You've got to win," said Allen Sack, author of "College Athletes for Hire: The Evolution and Legacy of the NCAA's Amateur Myth."
Many rewards await the winner: bowl money, attendance money and television money for schools, and million-dollar contracts for coaches.
If a coach is caught cheating and is fired, the result is no worse than what happens if he commits a different sin: losing.
Curry said he doesn't believe all teams cheat.
"There are exceptions," Curry said. "And if everybody did it, would it be OK?"
The high regard for football in the South intensifies the pressure to cheat.

[beeballerbluegrchs]

That's a pretty long list NoKnee. I was referring to bball, but you definitely made your point in the football category, done your research. You likeknowing plenty aboutof dirt about UK and their conference to highlight all of the misdoings in the history of both. Is that what you like to do in your spare time? ;)

[MudCat]

NOknee6of7 wrote: There is no doubt in my mind about the power that coach K has. It is very sickening.I don't mean to sound like a b-hole man, but there is just something about Kentucky or ANY team from the $EC calling another team "cheaters" that makes me scoff. I have no respect for cheaters, and it seems like a different team from the $EC is placed on probation every week.
NOknee,

This isn't smack, but UofL was put on probation twice in the 90's.

I'm not calling you out, but those are facts.

I understand UK has had some issues in the past, but don't act high and mighty. After all,your guys have been on probation a couple of times, too.

[MudCat]

NOknee6of7 wrote: JB, that is very funny. I would definitly have to say I would cheer for UNC. While they have several boners for fans, not nearly as many as Puke.

I really am unsure what incidents/teams you're referring to.





beball, where have you been, under a rock??? This clip from an actual article in the Birmingham Times pretty much tells the tale...



It was a culture of cheating. That culture, some said, has spread to the Southeastern Conference, and is a result of acceptance of cheating among many coaches, school administrators, fans — and even sports reporters.
After the NCAA leveled sanctions at the University of Alabama earlier this year in a recruiting scandal that included allegations of a $115,000 payoff to a high school coach, the Birmingham Post-Herald decided to take a closer look at the problem of cheating in college athletics and the role the NCAA plays in policing athletic programs.
The series examines how the organization of the NCAA contributes to cheating, why cheaters win and whether penalties are applied fairly to violating institutions.
No conference has violated the rules quite as blatantly as did the old Southwest Conference. Of the five schools that won conference championships from 1981 to '96 — Arkansas, Southern Methodist, Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech — only Arkansas eluded NCAA probation. In 1987, SMU received the only death penalty handed down by the NCAA. In 1996, the Southwest Conference died, a victim of its own vices and diminished level of talent. Its members scattered to three conferences.
Some say the Southeastern Conference might be following the same path.
Since 1990, eight SEC members have been penalized nine times for major football rules violations (Alabama has been caught twice), while SEC men's basketball teams have committed six major infractions. That makes the SEC the pacesetter in NCAA rules violations.
In 2002, Alabama and Kentucky were slapped with serious NCAA sanctions. NCAA investigators are exploring Arkansas' football program, and LSU has recently launched a probe into its football program's academics.
On Friday, Arkansas self-imposed sanctions through 2004-05 in football and basketball after finding athletes were overpaid for work with a Dallas booster. The NCAA will rule on whether to accept Arkansas' penalties in August.
Tennessee came under scrutiny twice recently. First, the Vols were stripped of two football scholarships when the head coach admitted meeting with a former Alabama player before the player was granted his release from Alabama.
Then Mobile Register sports writer Wayne Rowe admitted cashing two checks totaling $4,500 from a Mobile insurance executive and forwarding them to a former Tennessee quarterback in February 1999. Rowe resigned from the newspaper in May 2002.
"The numbers bear out (a culture of cheating)," said former Auburn Coach Terry Bowden, now a college football analyst for ABC Sports.
Bill Curry, a former head coach at Alabama and Kentucky and now an ESPN college football color analyst, said the SEC has "the most visible examples" of cheating.
He said the culture often works like this: A school's boosters disregard NCAA rules and regulations, wanting to win at all costs. They pressure their school's athletic administration to do the same. That, in turn, puts pressure on the other schools to keep pace with cheaters — by cheating themselves. These schools excuse themselves using an "everyone is doing it" mentality.
"You've got to win," said Allen Sack, author of "College Athletes for Hire: The Evolution and Legacy of the NCAA's Amateur Myth."
Many rewards await the winner: bowl money, attendance money and television money for schools, and million-dollar contracts for coaches.
If a coach is caught cheating and is fired, the result is no worse than what happens if he commits a different sin: losing.
Curry said he doesn't believe all teams cheat.
"There are exceptions," Curry said. "And if everybody did it, would it be OK?"
The high regard for football in the South intensifies the pressure to cheat.
Is that from Feinstein? That "smacks" (hee hee) of him.

[MudCat]

Sorry. Just saw your source. I'm surprised Feinstein didn't write it, though.