Chippewas unbeaten in MAC

[KingKat]

Playing a tough out-of conference schedule hasn't hurt them in league play:

http://mac-sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9400&ATCLID=654908

[johnkyblue]

They are a terrible team from a terrible conference! I can't believe that they actually were able to move the ball against us!

(sarcasm)

[Mr. T]

Them....... and everyone else we play, John. (not sarcasm) Not to mention, they didn't just move it they shoved it down our throat. Luckily for us all of CMU's players washed their hands in motor oil right before the game and couldn't hold on to the ball.

[KapitalCat]

They are a very good, very solid team. They are about a touchdown worse than KY. If Ky were in the MAC they would also be undefeated, in the MAC. Just for fun and for comparison sakes, KY gave up 36 to the Chips... Ball State gave up 18, Bowling Green 31, Akron 24, E. Mich 24. Ky's defense is about on par with an average MAC team. The injuries have been brutal.

[Aike]

From these numbers, how do you get that we are on par with an average MAC team? None of those MAC teams gave up as many points to the Chips as we did. In fact, only one team was close. On average, our defense was about 50% worse than these others. I understand that this is a small sample, but I'm not sure how you think this supports your point.

KapitalCat wrote: They are a very good, very solid team. They are about a touchdown worse than KY. If Ky were in the MAC they would also be undefeated, in the MAC. Just for fun and for comparison sakes, KY gave up 36 to the Chips... Ball State gave up 18, Bowling Green 31, Akron 24, E. Mich 24. Ky's defense is about on par with an average MAC team. The injuries have been brutal.

[gerntz]

KapitalCat wrote: They are a very good, very solid team. They are about a touchdown worse than KY. If Ky were in the MAC they would also be undefeated, in the MAC.
You actually wrote that straight? A TD worse than us & they're good & solid? :rolleyes:

[johnkyblue]

Aike wrote: From these numbers, how do you get that we are on par with an average MAC team? None of those MAC teams gave up as many points to the Chips as we did. In fact, only one team was close. On average, our defense was about 50% worse than these others. I understand that this is a small sample, but I'm not sure how you think this supports your point.

Only because for some reason you think the stats are comparable. Well, they aren't. Those other teams didn't jump out 21-0 on them. That skews the entire game!

[noone]

johnkyblue wrote: Aike wrote: From these numbers, how do you get that we are on par with an average MAC team? None of those MAC teams gave up as many points to the Chips as we did. In fact, only one team was close. On average, our defense was about 50% worse than these others. I understand that this is a small sample, but I'm not sure how you think this supports your point.

Only because for some reason you think the stats are comparable. Well, they aren't. Those other teams didn't jump out 21-0 on them. That skews the entire game!


Yes, just like LSU jumping out 21-0 (28-0, 35-0 . . . .) oh, nevermind!

[RedandBlackATTACK]

They are a terrible team from a terrible conference!
Most years the MAC plays pretty solid football.

Rick

C-Bus

[johnkyblue]

noone wrote: Yes, just like LSU jumping out 21-0 (28-0, 35-0 . . . .) oh, nevermind!
Did you pay attention no one?

LSU had #1 recruiting for two, maybe three years. Anyways, it was ridiculous their recruiting.

Do you realize that the situation is different now than it was... say five years ago?

The athlete is different now, he expects the air cooling now. The fact the air cooling exists makes the athlete different. It makes him more short term.

It's a different world, but let's bring up the curse of the bear or something ancient and sinister.... or something.

[7lives]

CM also scored 17 against Powerfull Michigan.
How many did Notre Dame score against Michigan - 24? ND has a Heisman Trophy prospect.

They scored 24 on undeafeted Boston College!
They could have scored more if their coach had not made some screwy weird offensive calls in the last few seconds of that game. Anybody think UK is as good as Boston College?

They scored 42 on Toledo.
Didn't they win the MAC in the last two or three years? They lost to Iowa State in 3 OT's (43-45) and Kansas in 2 OT's (31-37).



Seems like KapitalCat might have been right after all.

[KapitalCat]

gerntz wrote: KapitalCat wrote: They are a very good, very solid team. They are about a touchdown worse than KY. If Ky were in the MAC they would also be undefeated, in the MAC.
You actually wrote that straight? A TD worse than us & they're good & solid? :rolleyes:

Actually, no I did not write that with a straight face ;).

[noone]

johnkyblue wrote: noone wrote: Yes, just like LSU jumping out 21-0 (28-0, 35-0 . . . .) oh, nevermind!
Did you pay attention no one?

LSU had #1 recruiting for two, maybe three years. Anyways, it was ridiculous their recruiting.

Do you realize that the situation is different now than it was... say five years ago?

The athlete is different now, he expects the air cooling now. The fact the air cooling exists makes the athlete different. It makes him more short term.

It's a different world, but let's bring up the curse of the bear or something ancient and sinister.... or something.


Are you as confused as you sound?

So, is everythig about Kentucky football skewed by something that means it's not really as bad as it looks?

[johnkyblue]

noone wrote: Are you as confused as you sound?

So, is everythig about Kentucky football skewed by something that means it's not really as bad as it looks?
Yep, on both accounts.

I always fall back on the things I know, "Hit 'em in the Mouth!"

and coach just added to that, "from the first snap to the last snap."

[MSU Cat]

johnkyblue wrote: noone wrote: Are you as confused as you sound?

So, is everythig about Kentucky football skewed by something that means it's not really as bad as it looks?
Yep, on both accounts.

I always fall back on the things I know, "Hit 'em in the Mouth!"

and coach just added to that, "from the first snap to the last snap."

John, please stop with this it isn't as bad as it looks stuff. Your 21-0 argument does nothing but prove a point you're trying to refute. We jumped out 21-0 on them and they flat out kicked our rear ends after that. It does skew the game. After the 21-0 lead we were outscored 36-24. We gave up 558 yards to them. Akron gave them 291. Eastern Michigan - 452; Toledo 387; Ball State 344; Bowling Green 366. Those teams have a combined record of 10-24. So yes, John, it is as bad as it seems. Actually, it's worse than you know. By the way, Eastern Michigan is 0-6 and played better defense than we did.

[poodoo]

7lives wrote: CM also scored 17 against Powerfull Michigan.
How many did Notre Dame score against Michigan - 24? ND has a Heisman Trophy prospect.

They scored 24 on undeafeted Boston College!
They could have scored more if their coach had not made some screwy weird offensive calls in the last few seconds of that game. Anybody think UK is as good as Boston College?

They scored 42 on Toledo.
Didn't they win the MAC in the last two or three years? They lost to Iowa State in 3 OT's (43-45) and Kansas in 2 OT's (31-37).



Seems like KapitalCat might have been right after all.



Thanks for sharing, 7lives. Too, we should not have given up as much yardage or points as we did against Central Michigan(although, yes, the coaches said the defensive players were busy celebrating the 21-0 lead on the sidelines :(). Yet, Central Michigan was a solid opponent, based on statistical evidence against some highly ranked teams. Many here (and my husband, who watched the game) said that Central Michigan gave away a victory to the ranked Boston College team.

The truth usually lies in the middle. Personally, I don't like making things sound as bad as possible about MY TEAM. True, we gave up too much yardage and too many points. Also true is that we played a team that has played some tough opponents tough AND that we probably relaxed after getting the big lead (as have some quality opponents against us, which has certainly been pointed out when UK has ended up making a game respectable).

Again, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. For me the truly disappointing performances for the Cats have been the Louisville and LSU games, FWIW, not our performance against Central Michigan.I like that Central Michigan is currently unbeaten in the MAC. I happen to like anything that makes MY CATS look better, not worse. Keep it up, Chippewas! :)

[noone]

poodoo wrote:
The truth usually lies in the middle.
Very true.

[johnkyblue]

poodoo wrote: I happen to like anything that makes MY CATS look better, not worse. Keep it up, Chippewas! :)
Yep.

[7lives]

noone wrote: poodoo wrote:
The truth usually lies in the middle.
Very true.

Right on Poodoo, right on.

[Mr. T]

I just cannot believe the excuse making that keeps happening for our (atrocious) defense.....

[Spanish Moss]

Mr. T wrote: I just cannot believe the excuse making that keeps happening for our (atrocious) defense.....

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/FloridaCracker/Ostrich.jpg

[poodoo]

Spanish Moss wrote: Mr. T wrote: I just cannot believe the excuse making that keeps happening for our (atrocious) defense.....

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/FloridaCracker/Ostrich.jpg



Well, actually, the truth usually lies in the middle. That means that things are not QUITE AS BAD as some are painting them. :DIn regard to our having an "atrocious defense," everything's relative. There are varying degrees of "atrocious." :DAt least, thankfully, our defense has been forcing turnovers that have allowed us still to be on track to get our bowl game. FWIW, (remember the truth usually lies in the middle), IF we do not play better defense the remaining games, especially in regard to defending the run and better stopping teams on third downs, we will not reach our dream of a bowl game.

Looking at that picture, I thought of something. Supposedly some of us are "ostriches with our heads buried in the sand," making "excuses" for our defense (although I think most of us who are judged in that categorystill see our current defense as mostly inexcusable, FWIW).Well, that picture could be interpreted differently, though, in all fairness. That ostrich in that picture, with his head buried in the sand, can see NOTHING BUT DARKNESS (while buried down in Doom and Gloom :D). In contrast, some (yes, some of us! :)) are seeing just a glimmer of light and glimmer of hope with five games remaining, hope about the number of hard hits and forced turnovers in the past games AND the chance to get better in those remaining games (and surely we can get no worse than 119 out of 199!) :ggrin:By the way, I do love the picture! :D

GO CATS! BEAT MSU!

[noone]

poodoo wrote: Spanish Moss wrote: Mr. T wrote: I just cannot believe the excuse making that keeps happening for our (atrocious) defense.....

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y54/FloridaCracker/Ostrich.jpg



Well, actually, the truth usually lies in the middle.



Usually

[7lives]

Mr. T wrote: I just cannot believe the excuse making that keeps happening for our (atrocious) defense.....

I can't believe that you dismiss facts as excuses.

That is the ultimate denial.

[FatCatDaddy]

Didn't we lose to Ohio from the MAC? So, there is no guarantee we would be undefeated in the MAC.

[Mr. T]

7lives wrote: Mr. T wrote: I just cannot believe the excuse making that keeps happening for our (atrocious) defense.....

I can't believe that you dismiss facts as excuses.

That is the ultimate denial.


I don't deny the facts at all. Facts say we are dead last in defense in all of 1A football and that is the fact/stat that matters. Also the FACT that the defense has declined each year under Archer and the FACT that Archer has been the DC for what is it now 4 or 5 of the 10 worst defenses in Kentucky history (and you KNOW that it takes a lot to make that list that much) tells me it's time for a change. Injuries, youth, etc, etc (they are just excuses to me).... guess what other teams have it as well and they still aren't dead last in defense though are they?

How do those facts grab ya?

If this was one bad year I could buy it. But the defense has gotten steadily worse when it should be getting better. The best year Archer has had on D was the 1st year when the whole D (almost) was left over from John Goodner (who's defense wasn't outstanding but they were at least decent). If I could see any reason to think they could be better I would be for giving him time. But the way I look at it is that we are one of the best in the country in takeaways (the D's only really good stat) and we STILL are last in the nation. Imagine how bad they would be if we have a few more games like the LSU game where the opponents don't put it on the turf 6 times.

[7lives]

"If I could see any reason to think they could be better I would be for giving him time."

What about that 70% of UK's players are Sophomores and Freshmen. I guess they won't get any better and/or gain experience. They will stagnate and rot on the vine. I wonder what Micah Johnson thinks about that?

But I forgot, the youth angle is just an excuse, not a fact. There are other facts, but this debate is wearysome since you seem to concentrate on the negatives and ignore the positives.

As poodoo has said several times. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

[Spanish Moss]

7lives wrote: "If I could see any reason to think they could be better I would be for giving him time."

What about that 70% of UK's players are Sophomores and Freshmen. I guess they won't get any better and/or gain experience. They will stagnate and rot on the vine. I wonder what Micah Johnson thinks about that?

But I forgot, the youth angle is just an excuse, not a fact. There are other facts, but this debate is wearysome since you seem to concentrate on the negatives and ignore the positives.

As poodoo has said several times. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.


I have often wondered what Micah Johnson thinks about that. If Johnson signed on because of Archer do you think we should give Archer another 3 years to iron things out? If at the end of three years we still bring up the rear of the SEC would you reconsider his worth to our program?

[Mr. T]

7lives wrote: "If I could see any reason to think they could be better I would be for giving him time."

What about that 70% of UK's players are Sophomores and Freshmen. I guess they won't get any better and/or gain experience. They will stagnate and rot on the vine. I wonder what Micah Johnson thinks about that?

But I forgot, the youth angle is just an excuse, not a fact. There are other facts, but this debate is wearysome since you seem to concentrate on the negatives and ignore the positives.

As poodoo has said several times. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

What positives are those? I mentioned that they are doing well in TO margin. What other positive has the defense had? Is Kentucky the ONLY team in the nation with a lot of young players? The youth excuse IS just that... an excuse.... an excuse that losers make.

And honestly, I do think they will stagnate under Mike Archer because I don't think he is a very good coach. I also notice you didn't refute any of my points.

I think the "Little ray of sunshine nation" as I am nicknaming a certain group don't realize that the people that want Archer gone want the same thing you do and that is a good football program. But he has now had 2 tenures here as DC and he has failed miserably both times. It's not like this is his first year or anything. Sometimes a change is required you know.

[KapitalCat]

FatCatDaddy wrote: Didn't we lose to Ohio from the MAC? So, there is no guarantee we would be undefeated in the MAC.
Yes..but that was another year so I don't think the comparision is fair.

[poodoo]

I think the "Little ray of sunshine nation" as I am nicknaming a certain group don't realize that the people that want Archer gone want the same thing you do and that is a good football program.QUOTE by Mr. T

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Now just who are those folks who are in the group you are nicknaming"Little ray of sunshine nation," Mr. T? :DBy the way, are you wanting Coach Archer fired RIGHT NOW? Do you really think this football team would be able to stay together and focus on their bowl dream if that were to happen?

Seriously, though, Idid saythat I at least see a glimmer of HOPE in our forcing turnovers and the talent in our younger players. Frankly, though, I do not yet see "sunshine" from our defense. :(I don' t know if we are going to see it this season, and if we don't, we won't be seeing Coach Archer next season, which is fair.

Also, I do not know whether Coach Archer can get it done. I have not seen anything to make me feel confident that he can. He obviously has not gotten it done so far this season. I am certainly not condoning the play of his defense, for the stats to do that are simply not there. I am very disappointed in how the defense has been performing most of the time, to be perfectly honest, even with the defense's youth.

YET, the important fact remains that we still have FIVE games left to play. I am NOT giving up on this team, including Coach Archer and his defense. It just seems wiser to me (and many others in the "Sunshine nation," I'm assuming)to wait and see how we perform the rest of the season, instead of dismissing Coach Archer in the middle of the season.

[poodoo]

Spanish Moss, as I said, I liked your picture (and your joke). I had thought that it was both cute and clever. :DDid you notsimilarly appreciate the possible different "interpretation" that I had shared? I had thought it was just a bit funny itself. :(

[RedandBlackATTACK]

Mike Cassity