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DCWildcat
12-01-2005, 06:09 PM
Last night, my school (Davidson College, yall might have heard of it) played its biggest rivalry game of the year vs. UNC Charlotte (an A-10 school). We lost in double overtime due to some of the worst officiating I've ever seen. Now I'm a former coach, so I know the rules pretty well, but there are a few things Charlotte did that I'm not sure about, but I think should have been dealt with differently (these weren't the calls that cost us the game, those were clear cut, but these definately swung in charlotte favor):

1) Charlotte's last two possessions in regulation resulted in Davidson fouling off the ball. Charlotte was in the double bonus, and thus shot two free throws. Both times, the Charlotte player who was fouled (and would have taken the the free throw) complained of injury and was subbed out, replaced by the team's best free throw shooter. Each time, the shooter hit both free throws, and Charlotte immediately subbed the "injured" player back in. I don't know how this situation should be handled, but I feel like the coach deserved a technical for that obvious violation of, at the very least, the ethics of basketball.



2) At the end of the first overtime, we were down by 3 with about 8 seconds left, with possession. Our shooting guard found a hole and drove, nailing a tough layup and gettinga blocking callso that we were only down 1. So he has to hit his 1 free throw to tie the game with 5 seconds left. Emotions were pretty high in the arena, and the players lined up in their rebounding positions. Before the ref could bounce our guard the ball, a Charlotte player left his position on the block, walked up to our guard (impeding the ref's ability to give him the ball), bumped him in the chest, and talked about 10 seconds worth of trash to him. The Charlotte player didn't seem to be saying anything profane our getting aggressive, but, nevertheless, that's something you just can't do. The Charlotte player returned to his position in the block, unpunished by the refs. I thought that warranted a technical, but I've never seen it happen before on a floor, so I don't know what a standard ruling is there.

What do y'all think?

SunBaller
12-01-2005, 06:30 PM
My goodness, if those two incidents don't deserve technicals I don't know what does. Especially the second one. I've never seen the second incident done in a real officiated game(evena Pro gamewho getaway with everything)and that's probably because it would have been an immediate technical. I've seen the first one used more than once, but the substituted player didn't immediately come back into the game.

I believe a technical should have been called for both. Where was the game played? Home cookin'??

DamonEsquire
12-01-2005, 06:31 PM
Well situation sounds nasty and deliberate action for non-makeup. In soccer, bad officiating exist for some time. Even Mr. Brian Hall (one of best in business here in states) makes incompetencethis year. Last year's UNC game open eyes against officails in basketball. This is nothing against players but more direction lead at reffs. Football happensto us than nothing.Just my quick take on matter at hand.

DCWildcat
12-01-2005, 08:11 PM
It was in Charlotte (home cookin').

I was surprised that that would happen at a very well attended division I game. Oh well.

TRexSmarts
12-01-2005, 08:38 PM
DCWildcat wrote: Last night, my school (Davidson College, yall might have heard of it) played its biggest rivalry game of the year vs. UNC Charlotte (an A-10 school). We lost in double overtime due to some of the worst officiating I've ever seen. Now I'm a former coach, so I know the rules pretty well, but there are a few things Charlotte did that I'm not sure about, but I think should have been dealt with differently (these weren't the calls that cost us the game, those were clear cut, but these definately swung in charlotte favor):

1) Charlotte's last two possessions in regulation resulted in Davidson fouling off the ball. Charlotte was in the double bonus, and thus shot two free throws. Both times, the Charlotte player who was fouled (and would have taken the the free throw) complained of injury and was subbed out, replaced by the team's best free throw shooter. Each time, the shooter hit both free throws, and Charlotte immediately subbed the "injured" player back in. I don't know how this situation should be handled, but I feel like the coach deserved a technical for that obvious violation of, at the very least, the ethics of basketball.



2) At the end of the first overtime, we were down by 3 with about 8 seconds left, with possession. Our shooting guard found a hole and drove, nailing a tough layup and gettinga blocking callso that we were only down 1. So he has to hit his 1 free throw to tie the game with 5 seconds left. Emotions were pretty high in the arena, and the players lined up in their rebounding positions. Before the ref could bounce our guard the ball, a Charlotte player left his position on the block, walked up to our guard (impeding the ref's ability to give him the ball), bumped him in the chest, and talked about 10 seconds worth of trash to him. The Charlotte player didn't seem to be saying anything profane our getting aggressive, but, nevertheless, that's something you just can't do. The Charlotte player returned to his position in the block, unpunished by the refs. I thought that warranted a technical, but I've never seen it happen before on a floor, so I don't know what a standard ruling is there.

What do y'all think?

First of all, I'm going to move this thread to the "Officiating Forum" because refs can answer these questions there.

Personally, if I'm right for your first situation, if an player can't shoot his free throw due to injury and another person has to shot for him, then I think that injured player can't come back into the game at all.

The second one, the ref should had broken it up earlier I would assume.

TRexSmarts

lighthouse
12-04-2005, 12:29 PM
In the first incident, an injured player can have a substitute shoot the free throws for him, but the injured player cannot reenter the game until the clock starts and is stopped for a violation, foul, or a time out. One thing an official can never do is tell a player he/she is not injured, and they must shoot the FT. Did the coach do that intentionally, only he and his kids know for sure. Not a very good example to set for our youth.

In the second incident, one of the officials should have moved in and separated the players. I've seen fights break out for a lot less. Something like that should never be allowed to go on unchecked.