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RedandBlackATTACK

11-05-2006, 06:51 PM

Scout.com three-star offensive line prospect Brad Durham committed to Louisville in August, but learned on Friday that his scholarship offer was no longer available.....
The UL staff and fans will take a beat down over this, UL offered, the kid accepted and now the ride is pulled. Petrino may be a very good coach but the guy is constantly doing crap like this that leaves MANY UL fans shaking their heads.

I don't care if other programs do this as will certainly be the cry from the UL camp, you just don't do things like this.

Any inroads into recruiting instate kids outside of Jefferson County just went down the drain.Very disappointing.

Rick

jpay

11-05-2006, 07:08 PM

ImForKy

11-05-2006, 07:08 PM

RedandBlackATTACK wrote: Scout.com three-star offensive line prospect Brad Durham committed to Louisville in August, but learned on Friday that his scholarship offer was no longer available.....
The UL staff and fans will take a beat down over this, UL offered, the kid accepted and now the ride is pulled. Petrino may be a very good coach but the guy is constantly doing crap like this that leaves MANY UL fans shaking their heads.

I don't care if other programs do this as will certainly be the cry from the UL camp, you just don't do things like this.

Any inroads into recruiting instate kids outside of Jefferson County just went down the drain.Very disappointing.

Rick

I wholeheatedly agree, Rick. I don't know if it will negatively effect UL recruiting out in the state but, as I've said before, Lietrino is an awfully good coach but, he doesn't know the meaning of the word INTEGRITY! Also, the only way this, and actions like this, could have a negative effecton the FANS of UL is the fact that they accept, or overlook crap like this simply because he wins. The wayI feel about it is winning is a BIG part of it but HOW you go about winning is too.

I'veread enough of your posts, Rick,not to include you in the catagoryof UL fans that accept these sorts of things from the UL coach. At least I'm glad that some UL fans find these types of things unacceptable and you are one of those.

Caveman Catfan

11-05-2006, 07:14 PM

Beat and WVU and the set your sites on better players.

Hopefully, Durham comes to UK and never forgets!

ukbob

11-05-2006, 07:20 PM

"Hey...we are a BCS team possibly playng for a NC soon. We don't need you sissy 3 star in state wusses now. Nothing but big time stuff for us."

- Petrinochio

"Son. Come on to UK. Our offer still stands and we would love to have a big young man from the great state of KY come in and play. Better yet, come in and help kick UL's *** in a couple of years. We won;t turn our back on you."

- Randy Sanders

RedandBlackATTACK

11-05-2006, 07:23 PM

You know guys we have to laugh at ourselves everyone once in a while, keeps us sane. In that regard I present you to a post on one of the UL boards. FYI, the VAST MAJORITY of UL fans are very upset over this. Anyway, here's the post:

"You guys are all upset over this, so what? Every school does this, Ohio State, Michigan, SoCal, Tennessee etc, Hell half the players onour roster had the scholarships rescinded by other schools, it happens."

Rick

Coldstream

11-05-2006, 07:31 PM

^^ I think that poster fails to realize that the majority of those schollies pulled are for valid reasons: recruit in talks/visiting with other schools, academics, trouble with law and etc.

A really classless move by Petrino. I can imagine is family very upset by this. That shouldn't happen to any kid who does everything right.

ukcatfan

11-06-2006, 06:20 AM

rickdacatkilla wrote: UofL pulled it's scholly offer to 6-foot-5, 300-pound Brad Durham of Rockcastle County (Ky.) High School, a Scout.com three-star prospect....He said he would be contacting uk..
Petrino must have a reason, you do not turn your back on a kid like that:

attitude?

grades?

will sign another for that position that is better?

There will be no negative state recruiting against UL from this.

Look at all the men (8?)that married Liz Taylor married. She kept picking and getting the next one.

As long as UL wins the kids will follow!!!!!!!!!!

Caveman Catfan

11-06-2006, 06:51 AM

There are kids on UK's roster from Louisville that felt that Petrino was not straight with them and, when contrasted by Brooks and his staff playing it straight, they chose UK. Smith, Peters, Jeffries, etc. should all be on UL's team right now. UL losing out to UK at a time when UL is winning games, playing on TV, and fighting for championships, is remarkable. If UK continues to improve in the SEC, recruiting in-state will be more difficult for Petrino.

Where he should get his pick, he will have to fight for kids.

rickdacatkilla

11-06-2006, 07:11 AM

Caveman Catfan wrote: There are kids on UK's roster from Louisville that felt that Petrino was not straight with them and, when contrasted by Brooks and his staff playing it straight, they chose UK. Smith, Peters, Jeffries, etc. should all be on UL's team right now. UL losing out to UK at a time when UL is winning games, playing on TV, and fighting for championships, is remarkable. If UK continues to improve in the SEC, recruiting in-state will be more difficult for Petrino.

Where he should get his pick, he will have to fight for kids.

Apparently there was an agreement between the coaches and player and the player did not meet the requirements given to him. The kids quote to the media was not bitter at all so there might be more to this one. I don't agree with offering a scholly then accepting and then taking away though.

A lot of the players you mention chose uk also because of instant playing time,don't kid yourself.As far as in state, I think UofL will continue to get almost all the players in Louisville they want and are doing a pretty good job in the south as well. We will survive.

gerntz

11-06-2006, 07:18 AM

rickdacatkilla wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote: There are kids on UK's roster from Louisville that felt that Petrino was not straight with them and, when contrasted by Brooks and his staff playing it straight, they chose UK. Smith, Peters, Jeffries, etc. should all be on UL's team right now. UL losing out to UK at a time when UL is winning games, playing on TV, and fighting for championships, is remarkable. If UK continues to improve in the SEC, recruiting in-state will be more difficult for Petrino.

Where he should get his pick, he will have to fight for kids.

Apparently there was an agreement between the coaches and player and the player did not meet the requirements given to him. The kids quote to the media was not bitter at all so there might be more to this one. I don't agree with offering a scholly then accepting and then taking away though.

A lot of the players you mention chose uk also because of instant playing time,don't kid yourself.As far as in state, I think UofL will continue to get almost all the players in Louisville they want and are doing a pretty good job in the south as well. We will survive.
Nice spin attempt on the player not meeting the requirements thing. Name those requirements & I'll consider belieivng you.

trublue4life

11-06-2006, 09:07 AM

Caveman Catfan wrote: There are kids on UK's roster from Louisville that felt that Petrino was not straight with them and, when contrasted by Brooks and his staff playing it straight, they chose UK. Smith, Peters, Jeffries, etc. should all be on UL's team right now. UL losing out to UK at a time when UL is winning games, playing on TV, and fighting for championships, is remarkable. If UK continues to improve in the SEC, recruiting in-state will be more difficult for Petrino.

Where he should get his pick, he will have to fight for kids.

All it will take is continued improvement by UK and a couple of wins over UL in the rivalry for UK to once again own the recruiting out in the state and still get their share of kids from the city of Louisville. The UK fan base is still way to wide for UL to make long term gains unless we totally implode and never beat them again. We are still the University of Kentucky. And that's not being arrogant even though it may appear that way; that's just fact.

rickdacatkilla

11-06-2006, 01:47 PM

trublue4life wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote: There are kids on UK's roster from Louisville that felt that Petrino was not straight with them and, when contrasted by Brooks and his staff playing it straight, they chose UK. Smith, Peters, Jeffries, etc. should all be on UL's team right now. UL losing out to UK at a time when UL is winning games, playing on TV, and fighting for championships, is remarkable. If UK continues to improve in the SEC, recruiting in-state will be more difficult for Petrino.

Where he should get his pick, he will have to fight for kids.

All it will take is continued improvement by UK and a couple of wins over UL in the rivalry for UK to once again own the recruiting out in the state and still get their share of kids from the city of Louisville. The UK fan base is still way to wide for UL to make long term gains unless we totally implode and never beat them again. We are still the University of Kentucky. And that's not being arrogant even though it may appear that way; that's just fact.

You are the university of kentucky and we are winners of 7 of8 with the better football program, so you don't sound arrogant, you sound uninformed.Winning state recruiting battleshasn't meantmuch in terms of success. But, I don't agree withCBP doing this no matter who's getting thatkids grant not because he's from the state but, because it's just wrong.

Yuleofell

11-06-2006, 04:06 PM

Brad Durham is apparently a 4.0 student and a very fine young man from what I hear. From what I gather, he is very strong, but perhaps a little too limited in mobility to be the ideal guard for Petrino.

It appears the Louisville coaching staff decided he would not be enough of an asset to warrant the scholarship they offered. They decided to withdraw the scholarship now so he would have time to accept another offer before signing day. I am sure Brooks will be all over this kid very quickly.

If the offer was not rescinded, there is a very good chance he would not have earned a lot of playing time. In some ways, this might be better for Brad to be cut loose now.

This is an absolute public relations disaster for Petrino. He is an outstanding coach, but he doe not handle media publicity well at all. Copying an idea I read elsewhere, he need an assisstant to "spin" these things for him.

ImForKy

11-06-2006, 04:44 PM

Yuleofell wrote:

This is an absolute public relations disaster for Petrino. He is an outstanding coach, but he doe not handle media publicity well at all. Copying an idea I read elsewhere, he need an assisstant to "spin" these things for him.

As the old addage goes, "you can put lipstick on a pig...but it's still a pig"! In my humble opinion, there is no believable way to "spin" some of the things this **** poor excuse for a human being does.:tongue

trublue4life

11-06-2006, 04:56 PM

rickdacatkilla wrote: trublue4life wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote: There are kids on UK's roster from Louisville that felt that Petrino was not straight with them and, when contrasted by Brooks and his staff playing it straight, they chose UK. Smith, Peters, Jeffries, etc. should all be on UL's team right now. UL losing out to UK at a time when UL is winning games, playing on TV, and fighting for championships, is remarkable. If UK continues to improve in the SEC, recruiting in-state will be more difficult for Petrino.

Where he should get his pick, he will have to fight for kids.

All it will take is continued improvement by UK and a couple of wins over UL in the rivalry for UK to once again own the recruiting out in the state and still get their share of kids from the city of Louisville. The UK fan base is still way to wide for UL to make long term gains unless we totally implode and never beat them again. We are still the University of Kentucky. And that's not being arrogant even though it may appear that way; that's just fact.

You are the university of kentucky and we are winners of 7 of8 with the better football program, so you don't sound arrogant, you sound uninformed.Winning state recruiting battleshasn't meantmuch in terms of success. But, I don't agree withCBP doing this no matter who's getting thatkids grant not because he's from the state but, because it's just wrong.I'm not uninformed at all. If you will read my post I simply stated that if we continue to improve (coming off a devastating probation) and get a couple of wins over UL then we will pretty much own out-in-the-state recruiting. I was addressing the issue of recruiting out in the state, not the state of the relative programs or future success at either. If you want to respond to my post at leaststay ontopic.

ukbob

11-06-2006, 05:27 PM

Yuleofell wrote: Brad Durham is apparently a 4.0 student and a very fine young man from what I hear. From what I gather, he is very strong, but perhaps a little too limited in mobility to be the ideal guard for Petrino.

It appears the Louisville coaching staff decided he would not be enough of an asset to warrant the scholarship they offered. They decided to withdraw the scholarship now so he would have time to accept another offer before signing day. I am sure Brooks will be all over this kid very quickly.

If the offer was not rescinded, there is a very good chance he would not have earned a lot of playing time. In some ways, this might be better for Brad to be cut loose now.

This is an absolute public relations disaster for Petrino. He is an outstanding coach, but he doe not handle media publicity well at all. Copying an idea I read elsewhere, he need an assisstant to "spin" these things for him.

Excellent response...thanks.

My question is then why was he offered in the 1st place? You mean to to tell me nobody on that staff reviews film of the kids before offering? I find that hard to believe.

The fact is that he has found a couple of players he wants more and has dropped this kid like a dirty rag. I am sure it happens other places but we all get more sensitive when the Ky kids are treated this way.

Petrino is a seriously fine coach to be sure, but I want no part of him simply because I think he lacks ethics. And I got that impression from UL people who have met him and not just from this unfortunate scenario.

Yuleofell

11-06-2006, 06:42 PM

Bob,

I believe prior to this season unfolding CBP wanted a more power running game. After seeing the defenses we have faced this season I get the impression he is looking for smaller more mobile linemen now, like WV has.

gerntz

11-06-2006, 07:02 PM

rickdacatkilla wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote: There are kids on UK's roster from Louisville that felt that Petrino was not straight with them and, when contrasted by Brooks and his staff playing it straight, they chose UK. Smith, Peters, Jeffries, etc. should all be on UL's team right now. UL losing out to UK at a time when UL is winning games, playing on TV, and fighting for championships, is remarkable. If UK continues to improve in the SEC, recruiting in-state will be more difficult for Petrino.

Where he should get his pick, he will have to fight for kids.

Apparently there was an agreement between the coaches and player and the player did not meet the requirements given to him. The kids quote to the media was not bitter at all so there might be more to this one. I don't agree with offering a scholly then accepting and then taking away though.

A lot of the players you mention chose uk also because of instant playing time,don't kid yourself.As far as in state, I think UofL will continue to get almost all the players in Louisville they want and are doing a pretty good job in the south as well. We will survive.
Chew on this one a while, rick. Believe the player didn't nmeet all his requirements - right. What total b.s.

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=48&p=2&c=587497

bleedbluelady

11-06-2006, 08:29 PM

Ouch, ouch, ouch. :wildcatface:wildcatface:wildcatface

RedandBlackATTACK

11-06-2006, 08:45 PM

Just for the record, the vast majority of UL fans are very upset over this and are not letting it go. One particular poster stated "If this is big time football I don't like it, I don't like it all". Another common theme among the many posters was that program should conduct itself at a higher standard as opposed to a 17 year old. Those comments were in response to afew posters who opined, Petrino did nothing different than a kid backing out of his verbal.

I am pleased that many, many UL fans have voiced their displeasure and frankly, disgust with Petrino's actions.

Brad got screwed and so did Coach Nord who offered Brad and later was forced to call him and rescind the offer. Putting Coach Nord in that situation was deplorable.

Petrino either just doesn't get it or simply doesn't care, I am inclined to believe the latter.

TexasCat

11-06-2006, 08:46 PM

Wow, some pretty powerful comments from Coach Larkey:

“I don’t see how any high school coach could trust them when they are talking to one of your players,”

“I know one thing. Rich Brooks would never do this to a kid. Rich Brooks keeps his word.”

VIIBanners

11-06-2006, 10:00 PM

This is great for Kentucky. We get the kind of guy that we all like around here.... a BIG strong workaholic kid that gets it done in the classroom.:thumbup

jwade

11-07-2006, 05:01 AM

UL fans should remember this is what happens when you make a deal with the devil. You enjoy the fruits, but suffer the consequences. Petrino's character, or lack thereof, is well known so this action really shouldn't surprise anyone.

That said, UK fans ought not be too high-and-mighty. A UK icon, Kyle Macy, did something similar when he took the Morehead State coaching job. In that instance, pulling scholarships from recruits wasn't the issue. Instead, he decided to not renew the scholarships of some of the players already on the team when he took over. It caused a minor hoo-ha that quickly died away.

The statement that "all big-time schools do it" is an unsubstantiated generalization. Frankly, it comes off sounding like someone grasping for a rationale to justify the action. Has it ever happened at other schools? Unquestionably. Is it routine practice at "big-time schools?" I doubt it and will have to see some evidence before buying it.

People need to remember something else when reading stories about schools (or coaches) pulling offers: there are conditional offers and there are unconditional offers. These are most often reported simply as "offers" without the conditional or unconditional qualifier. So when you read about an offer being pulled, unless you know whether it was conditional or unconditional you really shouldn't read too much into it.

In Durham's case, it appears the offer had been unconditional which is a real shame for the young man and a bright red stain on the UL program. I predict he will now verbal to the Cats by Thanksgiving.

Jim

ChattyKat

11-07-2006, 06:31 AM

Veteran Rockcastle County coach Tom Larkey won’t mince words about the way the University of Louisville treated his senior lineman, Brad Durham.

Veteran Rockcastle County coach Tom Larkey won’t mince words about the way the University of Louisville (http://louisville.scout.com/) treated his senior lineman, Brad Durham (http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=48&p=8&c=1&nid=2419119).
“I thought it was one of the most unethical and sorriest things I have ever seen done,” said Larkey. “He did everything they asked. He committed early just like they wanted. This was a very unethical thing to do.”

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=48&p=2&c=587497

Caveman Catfan

11-07-2006, 06:53 AM

In the short run, on a national scene, this may not hurt UL. And, Rockcastle might not produce many Div. 1 prospects, so this coach's anger might not hurt UL, as it relates to one school.

Where it hurts is when this coach starts speaking to the coaches in his region and telling the story about how Petrino wanted Durham to commit early. Petrino's desire for an early 3 star commitment was to influence other commitments, especially in-state commitments. When Larkey starts to speak with the coaches in the region, this could hurt UL's in-state recruiting.

On a national level, if I was recruiting against UL, I would point out the lawsuit, the comments from Grinter, the comments from Larkey, and the comments from other kids who have felt they were screwed by Petrino (at least one other Louisville kid on UK's team has made a public comment about not trusting Petrino). That could give a coach at a big time program an edge. (Petrino almost screwed Leflors his senior year, but the kid played so well, he could not come out of the starting lineup)

Petrino has Brohm and Bush on his team right now, both of which are probably excellent recruiters. He better keep landing Louisville kids who love the program.

Spanish Moss

11-07-2006, 06:57 AM

It may take time but things like this usually catch up with you. Of course, Petrino will be long gone by then. Still, a little ethics wouldn't hurt the UL program. It might even be a good thing.

Yuleofell

11-07-2006, 07:01 AM

If you really want to know the truth, Durham was apparently told up front the offer might be taken back. UL is going to have a very small class this year. The total number of new scholarships they give out this season will be less than 15 unless we have some academic ( or other) casualties at the end of this semester. This is a big reason why you did not see UL announce a lot of early verbals. Many of the kids were told offers might be withdrawn later depending on the kids higher on the UL preference list.

Once again, this shows Petrino's lack of experience in handling the media and his lack of understanding of the negative impact stories like this have on certain parts of the state of Kentucky. He learned a great deal about Xs and Os from his father. His father did not face the media scrutiny that goes along with running a major college program and was unable to pass that kind of knowledge along to CBP.

Ul is now in the position of recruiting against the big boys in the country. We are going after and landing our share of big name recruits. This will only get better with time. This snafu with Durham may slightly impact in-state recruiting. Then again, the fact Ul has a legitimate shot at winning a national title will carry a lot of weight with recruits also.

Coldstream

11-07-2006, 07:04 AM

Yuleofell wrote: If you really want to know the truth, Durham was apparently told up front the offer might be taken back. UL is going to have a very small class this year. The total number of new scholarships they give out this season will be less than 15 unless we have some academic ( or other) casualties at the end of this semester. This is a big reason why you did not see UL announce a lot of early verbals. Many of the kids were told offers might be withdrawn later depending on the kids higher on the UL preference list.

Once again, this shows Petrino's lack of experience in handling the media and his lack of understanding of the negative impact stories like this have on certain parts of the state of Kentucky. He learned a great deal about Xs and Os from his father. His father did not face the media scrutiny that goes along with running a major college program and was unable to pass that kind of knowledge along to CBP.

Ul is now in the position of recruiting against the big boys in the country. We are going after and landing our share of big name recruits. This will only get better with time. This snafu with Durham may slightly impact in-state recruiting. Then again, the fact Ul has a legitimate shot at winning a national title will carry a lot of weight with recruits also.

Give me a break. Told upfront? No parent in their right mind would allow their kid to verbal with that kind of condition, let alone a kid who has 4.0 GPA who isn't dumb enough to take a scholly offer with that kind of disclaimer attached to it. It is what it is: Petrino gave a KY boy the shaft and it was unethical. PERIOD. :thumbdown

catsno1

11-07-2006, 08:22 AM

Yuleofell wrote: If you really want to know the truth, Durham was apparently told up front the offer might be taken back. UL is going to have a very small class this year. The total number of new scholarships they give out this season will be less than 15 unless we have some academic ( or other) casualties at the end of this semester. This is a big reason why you did not see UL announce a lot of early verbals. Many of the kids were told offers might be withdrawn later depending on the kids higher on the UL preference list.

Once again, this shows Petrino's lack of experience in handling the media and his lack of understanding of the negative impact stories like this have on certain parts of the state of Kentucky. He learned a great deal about Xs and Os from his father. His father did not face the media scrutiny that goes along with running a major college program and was unable to pass that kind of knowledge along to CBP.

Ul is now in the position of recruiting against the big boys in the country. We are going after and landing our share of big name recruits. This will only get better with time. This snafu with Durham may slightly impact in-state recruiting. Then again, the fact Ul has a legitimate shot at winning a national title will carry a lot of weight with recruits also.

Do you really believe what you just said? UofL is winning and I will give you your due, but I don't believe for one minute that you have got to the point with recruits that they are willing to accept these terms to be there. No one wants to be rejected in this way.

Caveman Catfan

11-07-2006, 08:32 AM

Yuleofell wrote: If you really want to know the truth, Durham was apparently told up front the offer might be taken back.

I don't believe this. Why ask a kid to commit early to a conditional offer? I simply do not believe that Durham was told the offer might be rescinded.

trublue4life

11-07-2006, 08:36 AM

Yuleofell wrote: If you really want to know the truth, Durham was apparently told up front the offer might be taken back. UL is going to have a very small class this year. The total number of new scholarships they give out this season will be less than 15 unless we have some academic ( or other) casualties at the end of this semester. This is a big reason why you did not see UL announce a lot of early verbals. Many of the kids were told offers might be withdrawn later depending on the kids higher on the UL preference list.

Once again, this shows Petrino's lack of experience in handling the media and his lack of understanding of the negative impact stories like this have on certain parts of the state of Kentucky. He learned a great deal about Xs and Os from his father. His father did not face the media scrutiny that goes along with running a major college program and was unable to pass that kind of knowledge along to CBP.

Ul is now in the position of recruiting against the big boys in the country. We are going after and landing our share of big name recruits. This will only get better with time. This snafu with Durham may slightly impact in-state recruiting. Then again, the fact Ul has a legitimate shot at winning a national title will carry a lot of weight with recruits also.

I hope you and others associated with UL keep spinning it just like this. Basically, you are saying the kid is a liar, his parents are liars and his high school coach is a liar. By the time this is over Petrino won't be able to get a cup of coffee outside the city of Louisville as far as the state of Kentucky goes.

sardiscat

11-07-2006, 09:07 AM

Totally classless but entirely in character for Petrino, who doesn't plan to be at UL long enough to suffer any repercussions.

"Instead, he decided to not renew the scholarships of some of the players already on the team when he took over. It caused a minor hoo-ha that quickly died away."

Actually,what Macy didcaused a major hoo-ha that resulted in the awful 5-8 rule for a period of time. That rule was passed specifically in response to Macy's kicking 8 players off of scholarship and recruiting an entire new team in one year. Anentire new team that in the end got him fired

RedandBlackATTACK

11-07-2006, 09:24 AM

Someone mentioned other programs may or may not do this or words to that effect. My take on that, if indeed other programs have done this or do it, is what the UL poster stated; "If this is big time football, I don't like it, I don't like it all."

Further, given I am by no means a High School recruiting guru; what the hell is a conditional offer? I can see onlytwo rational explanations for that and that would be based on the kid's grades and or if he exhibited behavioral problems that he stay out of trouble, clean up his act.

With those two exceptions a conditional offer smacks of a conditional promise, something I am not familiar with.

Rick

C-Bus

11-07-2006, 09:32 AM

"People need to remember something else when reading stories about schools (or coaches) pulling offers: there are conditional offers and there are unconditional offers. These are most often reported simply as "offers" without the conditional or unconditional qualifier. So when you read about an offer being pulled, unless you know whether it was conditional or unconditional you really shouldn't read too much into it."

This is true but in almost every case it is an offer made 'prior' to a verbal commitment being given by the recruit - not after. Many times a team may have two kids they're recruiting for one spot and the first to verbal gets that schollie and you have to tell the other one there is no ride left for him, but again, this is 'before' a kid verbals. That was not the case with ul and Durham.

Don't misunderstand Jim - I was just using your quote as a reference on which to expand.

rickdacatkilla

11-07-2006, 09:44 AM

Larry Vaught......hahaha that's likewatching CNN"fair and balanced"...right.

Bottom line, thestaff felt they could get better. They also did this early enough so the kid could have plenty of time to find another school. Kids change their minds all the time and decomit to schoolsand that'sok. I don't agree with everything Coach Petrino has done,(needs a PR person really bad)but we're payinghim to coach and win games here and his record is pretty darn good.

Would uk take him for a coach...can I get a hell yeah???

Gunsmoke

11-07-2006, 09:57 AM

Well rick as long as you can go to sleep at night with a winning record that is all that matters in your dimly lit world right? Your family should be soo proud.

poodoo

11-07-2006, 10:02 AM

Would uk take him for a coach...can I get a hell yeah???QUOTE

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FWIW, I say, "heck, no," :)and thatthere is no way Mitch Barnhart would take Petrino as his coach, after having witnessed the repeated instances of lack of integrity. I have read some responses from Louisville fans (and kudos to R&B, as usual, in this regard, along with those others) that are not in the camp that winning is everything. I think Mitch Barnhart BADLY wants a winning football program, but I do not think he thinks that winning is EVERYTHING. I do not think that Barnhart would take Petrino for a coach. I know that I would not personally do so, although his coaching ability would make him naturally tempting.

poodoo

11-07-2006, 10:04 AM

Petrino is a seriously fine coach to be sure, but I want no part of him simply because I think he lacks ethics. And I got that impression from UL people who have met him and not just from this unfortunate scenario. QUOTE by ukbob

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I hear you, ukbob.

Aike

11-07-2006, 10:08 AM

This is a stretch to try to paint Kentucky with this brush. In other news, Pervis Ellison was a bum in the NBA, so Denny Crum is being removed from the Hall of Fame. Isaiah Thomas can't coach, so apparently neither can Bobby Knight. And Pete Carroll's credentials are being called into question over that entire O. J. Simpson mess.

jwade wrote:

That said, UK fans ought not be too high-and-mighty. A UK icon, Kyle Macy, did something similar when he took the Morehead State coaching job. In that instance, pulling scholarships from recruits wasn't the issue. Instead, he decided to not renew the scholarships of some of the players already on the team when he took over. It caused a minor hoo-ha that quickly died away.

poodoo

11-07-2006, 10:16 AM

TexasCat wrote: Wow, some pretty powerful comments from Coach Larkey:

“I don’t see how any high school coach could trust them when they are talking to one of your players,”

“I know one thing. Rich Brooks would never do this to a kid. Rich Brooks keeps his word.”

Notice that these statements are from Durham's coach. Those statements are the statements I wish that all in-state recruits, in particular, could read.

Unless Coach Larkey spreads to the word to other coaches in the state, I'm not sure recruits will be that aware of what has happened, though. I remember reading comments from Corey Peters and anotherfreshman (I'm not positive which one)about how the UK staff was the one staff who did NOT say bad things about other programs, something that had impressed them about the UK football coaching staff and program.

Thus, again, Louisville will probably be hurt in recruiting within the state only if Coach Larkey spreads this word. I'm suspecting Petrino thinks that he no longer needs the players within the state that much (beyond the Louisville area itself, which he thinks he can likely get, anyway).

There is definitely a pattern with Petrino. That he went behind his "friend" Tubberville's back to talk about the Auburn job sticks out in my mind, besides then lying and saying that he had not done so, besides other similar occurrences, some that have been mentioned. It just seems to be all about what is best for ME, as I see it, not caring what toes are stepped uponor who is mistreated(although I will give him credit for not leaving Louisville because of his son at Trinity).

jwade

11-07-2006, 10:16 AM

Aike wrote: This is a stretch to try to paint Kentucky with this brush. In other news, Pervis Ellison was a bum in the NBA, so Denny Crum is being removed from the Hall of Fame. Isaiah Thomas can't coach, so apparently neither can Bobby Knight. And Pete Carroll's credentials are being called into question over that entire O. J. Simpson mess.

Not trying to paint Kentucky, the university, whatsoever. Simply that segment of our fan base who would revere an ex-UK player, yet take a rival coach to task for a similar action. It cuts both ways: it's either acceptable behavior for both Petrino and Macy, or it's not. Morality is independent of the color of the uniform. We have some folks who need to remember that.

Jim

poodoo

11-07-2006, 10:19 AM

ChattyKat wrote:

Veteran Rockcastle County coach Tom Larkey won’t mince words about the way the University of Louisville treated his senior lineman, Brad Durham.

Veteran Rockcastle County coach Tom Larkey won’t mince words about the way the University of Louisville (http://louisville.scout.com/) treated his senior lineman, Brad Durham (http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=48&p=8&c=1&nid=2419119).
“I thought it was one of the most unethical and sorriest things I have ever seen done,” said Larkey. “He did everything they asked. He committed early just like they wanted. This was a very unethical thing to do.”

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=48&p=2&c=587497
Again,Durham's coach's words say much morethan what any of us can say.

Aike

11-07-2006, 10:28 AM

OK. I'm neither a fan of Macy or his actions.

jwade wrote: Aike wrote: This is a stretch to try to paint Kentucky with this brush. In other news, Pervis Ellison was a bum in the NBA, so Denny Crum is being removed from the Hall of Fame. Isaiah Thomas can't coach, so apparently neither can Bobby Knight. And Pete Carroll's credentials are being called into question over that entire O. J. Simpson mess.

Not trying to paint Kentucky, the university, whatsoever. Simply that segment of our fan base who would revere an ex-UK player, yet take a rival coach to task for a similar action. It cuts both ways: it's either acceptable behavior for both Petrino and Macy, or it's not. Morality is independent of the color of the uniform. We have some folks who need to remember that.

Jim

Aike

11-07-2006, 10:34 AM

Larry is a UK fan, no doubt. But this was no opinion piece. The direct quotes in this article from the Rockcastle coach were the damning pieces of information.

rickdacatkilla wrote: Larry Vaught......hahaha that's likewatching CNN"fair and balanced"...right.

Bottom line, thestaff felt they could get better. They also did this early enough so the kid could have plenty of time to find another school. Kids change their minds all the time and decomit to schoolsand that'sok. I don't agree with everything Coach Petrino has done,(needs a PR person really bad)but we're payinghim to coach and win games here and his record is pretty darn good.

Would uk take him for a coach...can I get a hell yeah???

Caveman Catfan

11-07-2006, 10:35 AM

RedandBlackATTACK wrote: Further, given I am by no means a High School recruiting guru; what the hell is a conditional offer?

As used in my post, it is my term meaning an offer that may or may not be an offer depending on other conditions, as in whether the staff may be able to land a more highly touted recruit. It is an offer that really is not an offer. Not the kind of thing a kid can put his faith into.

Caveman Catfan

11-07-2006, 10:37 AM

rickdacatkilla wrote: Larry Vaught......hahaha that's likewatching CNN"fair and balanced"...right.

I have never known Vaught not to protect the kid when wronged, regardless of the school involved.

baldcat

11-07-2006, 11:02 AM

Ths deal with the Durham kid and the Auburn fiasco is just the stuff that we KNOW about.

Just think what goes on under the table over there.

I've said it before, but as fast and loose as Petrinochio plays it, it wouldn't be surprising to see the NCAA come investigatng in the future.

11-07-2006, 11:06 AM

Anytime I read something posted by a ul fan I feel like I need to take a shower. :tongue

Aike

11-07-2006, 11:13 AM

Here's another article with quotes from Durham:

http://www.amnews.com/public_html/?module=displaystory&story_id=26648&format=html

ukbob

11-07-2006, 12:46 PM

Got to love UL fans for defending the indefensible. Anything for wins.

Stretch

11-07-2006, 01:54 PM

Petrino has proven that he is a heck of a football coach with an amazingly innovative football mind. His personal character, on the other hand, is rotten to the core. If I was a U of L fan, I would be ashamed to call him my coach even if he wins the national championship. The president of the university should fire his lying butt to show that the institution stands for honor and integrity, not Petrino's win-at-all-costs mentality.

Art Vandelay

11-07-2006, 03:12 PM

It might be cutting off your nose to spite your face, but, if I were Coach Brooks, I would be tempted to let this kid go elsewhere. He didn't want to be at Kentucky or that would have been his pick to begin with.

TrueblueCATfan

11-07-2006, 03:18 PM

Caveman Catfan

11-07-2006, 04:02 PM

Art Vandelay wrote: It might be cutting off your nose to spite your face, but, if I were Coach Brooks, I would be tempted to let this kid go elsewhere. He didn't want to be at Kentucky or that would have been his pick to begin with.
I guarantee you that WVU fans are sure happy that Maryland backed out on Steve Slayton. If Brooks wants him, he should sign him.

TrueblueCATfan

11-07-2006, 04:18 PM

The kid has a 4.0 GPA...............seems a better fit for UK than UL anyway:shrug:IMO

ImForKy

11-07-2006, 04:34 PM

rickdacatkilla wrote: Larry Vaught......hahaha that's likewatching CNN"fair and balanced"...right.

Bottom line, thestaff felt they could get better. They also did this early enough so the kid could have plenty of time to find another school. Kids change their minds all the time and decomit to schoolsand that'sok. I don't agree with everything Coach Petrino has done,(needs a PR person really bad)but we're payinghim to coach and win games here and his record is pretty darn good.

Would uk take him for a coach...can I get a hell yeah???

Regarding the first sentence, you could at least get the network correct. It's the Fake News Network that uses that lie for a mantra.

And as far as the last sentence, as I've been saying on this and the "other" board when I still posted there, ever since the first incident with Lietrino, my answer is not no but HELL NO! I wouldn't take him on a dare. Give me Rich Brooks any day as far as an honest, ethical human being is concerned.

ImForKy

11-07-2006, 04:42 PM

Yuleofell wrote: If you really want to know the truth, Durham was apparently told up front the offer might be taken back. UL is going to have a very small class this year. Is that like me telling you "I give you my word.........maybe"? As far as UL having a small class this year, so is UK.

gerntz

11-07-2006, 06:47 PM

Yuleofell wrote: If you really want to know the truth, Durham was apparently told up front the offer might be taken back. This isn't about an offer being taken back. That happens all the time by a lot of schools.

This is about an offer that was accepted by the recruit & taken in by LV & then the acceptance was rejected by LV. That's a whole nother level of disloyalty.

Caveman Catfan

11-07-2006, 07:58 PM

Durham confirmed in the most recent article posted that he had no idea that UL might pull his scholly.

bleedbluelady

11-07-2006, 07:59 PM

poodoo wrote: Petrino is a seriously fine coach to be sure, but I want no part of him simply because I think he lacks ethics. And I got that impression from UL people who have met him and not just from this unfortunate scenario. QUOTE by ukbob

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I hear you, ukbob.

Same here. I don't understand why fans shouldn't want and expect both a good coach and a good person.

Caveman Catfan

11-07-2006, 08:13 PM

bleedbluelady wrote: Same here. I don't understand why fans shouldn't want and expect both a good coach and a good person.
I agree. The person not only coaches, but represents your university in one of the most visual ways. Ethics in the university should extend to the coaching staff.

boomdaddy

11-08-2006, 10:46 AM

If your team is ranked #3 in the nation, you can be as big an arrogant jerk as you want to be. It doesn't make it ethically right, but that's the way it is. Winning trumps everything. Ethics and fair treatment are virtues that people use to defend a coach with a losing record. Big time athaletics are about winning. Spurrier is an example of a great coach with a huge ego, opposing teams coaches and fans despise him, but his team is very happy to have him.

trublue4life

11-08-2006, 11:47 AM

boomdaddy wrote: If your team is ranked #3 in the nation, you can be as big an arrogant jerk as you want to be. It doesn't make it ethically right, but that's the way it is. Winning trumps everything. Ethics and fair treatment are virtues that people use to defend a coach with a losing record. Big time athaletics are about winning. Spurrier is an example of a great coach with a huge ego, opposing teams coaches and fans despise him, but his team is very happy to have him.
a) Hal Mumme, Fran Curci and other coaches who have cheated at UK would definitely agree. And b) the NCAA who has slapped us with probation every time our coaches cheat would tell you such a posutre is unwise. And c) the coach with the losing record who is poised to go 7-5 and take us back to a bowl with a very young team would tell you that you are full of it.

I pick "c"

BTW, even though he squeaked out a win here it's quite possible that your boy Spurrier is going to be looking up at the coach with the losing record in the final SEC East standings.

boomdaddy

11-08-2006, 01:51 PM

trublue4life wrote: boomdaddy wrote: If your team is ranked #3 in the nation, you can be as big an arrogant jerk as you want to be. It doesn't make it ethically right, but that's the way it is. Winning trumps everything. Ethics and fair treatment are virtues that people use to defend a coach with a losing record. Big time athaletics are about winning. Spurrier is an example of a great coach with a huge ego, opposing teams coaches and fans despise him, but his team is very happy to have him.
a) Hal Mumme, Fran Curci and other coaches who have cheated at UK would definitely agree. And b) the NCAA who has slapped us with probation every time our coaches cheat would tell you such a posutre is unwise. And c) the coach with the losing record who is poised to go 7-5 and take us back to a bowl with a very young team would tell you that you are full of it.

I pick "c"

BTW, even though he squeaked out a win here it's quite possible that your boy Spurrier is going to be looking up at the coach with the losing record in the final SEC East standings.

Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger. Big time college sports is about winning and producing revenue for the school. The more a coach wins, the more slack he gets with his behavior. By the way, I am no fan of Mumme. I am a huge fan of Mr. Curci. I beleive if the administration had rallied around him, he could have turned things around.

11-08-2006, 04:25 PM

bleedbluelady

11-08-2006, 05:22 PM

Durham is being quite the gentleman in all this. IMHO, it's pitiful when a 17 year old kid shows more class than a grown adult man.

TrueblueCATfan

11-08-2006, 06:02 PM

bleedbluelady wrote: Durham is being quite the gentleman in all this. IMHO, it's pitiful when a 17 year old kid shows more class than a grown adult man.
LOL.............Class and Pertino do not go together:cry:

poodoo

11-09-2006, 11:38 AM

RV wrote: boomdaddy wrote: If your team is ranked #3 in the nation, you can be as big an arrogant jerk as you want to be. It doesn't make it ethically right, but that's the way it is. Winning trumps everything. Ethics and fair treatment are virtues that people use to defend a coach with a losing record. Big time athaletics are about winning. Spurrier is an example of a great coach with a huge ego, opposing teams coaches and fans despise him, but his team is very happy to have him.
I strongly disagree with this position but hey ... that's what makes the world go 'round.
Same reaction here, RV.

poodoo

11-09-2006, 11:39 AM

Aike wrote: Larry is a UK fan, no doubt. But this was no opinion piece. The direct quotes in this article from the Rockcastle coach were the damning pieces of information.

rickdacatkilla wrote: Larry Vaught......hahaha that's likewatching CNN"fair and balanced"...right.

Bottom line, thestaff felt they could get better. They also did this early enough so the kid could have plenty of time to find another school. Kids change their minds all the time and decomit to schoolsand that'sok. I don't agree with everything Coach Petrino has done,(needs a PR person really bad)but we're payinghim to coach and win games here and his record is pretty darn good.

Would uk take him for a coach...can I get a hell yeah???

Exactly, Aike.

poodoo

11-09-2006, 11:48 AM

Aike wrote: Here's another article with quotes from Durham:

http://www.amnews.com/public_html/?module=displaystory&story_id=26648&format=html

Thanks for the link, Aike. I recommend the read to everyone here, especially the last paragraph.

Too, yes, I admit to wishing that all players recruited by both UK and Louisvillecould read this column. Many players could care less about the coach's being trustworthy and treating players right,and would only be concerned about winning. For other players, just like for some of us fans,those other things make a difference.

trublue4life

11-09-2006, 12:33 PM

It was reported last night on local sportscast (?) that Brad would attend Vandy game this weekend on official visit and that we could expect a commitment either during or immediately following the visit. If true, then that is great news! Welcome, Brad, to a place where you are wanted and the coach's word is something you can count on!

Spanish Moss

11-10-2006, 12:48 PM

This might be the best thing to have happened to Brad Durham since he was a little biddy boy.

He gets a second chance in life and can correct a potential mistake before it happened. Few people have this opportunity because most of us have to correct something bad after it happens.

Someone is smiling down on Brad Durham.

Caveman Catfan

11-10-2006, 12:53 PM

Think Bobby called Brad after last night's game and informed that they were just kidding?

trublue4life

11-10-2006, 01:46 PM

Caveman Catfan wrote: Think Bobby called Brad after last night's game and informed that they were just kidding?
Good point, Caveman. After witnessing the complete meltdown by the UL o-line last night on national tv in a game that slammed the door on all the BCS BS...well, he might be glad to play for Coach Jimmy Heggins.

yitbos

11-11-2006, 01:08 AM

For Louisville fans who think this wont hurt their recruiting, think again. The coaching fraternity in KY isnt very large and these kids are like their family to them, at least the good coaches. No one would want to see that happen to "their" kids. Every coach in the state knows what happened, UL backed out of their committment to a 17 year old who had committed to them. Dont think for 1 second that college recruiters who are recruiting against UL will not bring this situation up EVERY single time they talk with the kids, their coaches, and their parents.

Winning is great, everyone loves a winner, however some people like winning the right way better. Sure, I loved it when UK was winning lots of games and going to bowls under Mumme, but when it was discovered we were cheating, that good feeling went away.