Mitch Barnhart

[poodoo]

I have often written posts in support of our athetic director, Mitch Barnhart. I have especially praised him for his support, and concern for, our student-athletes, including histaking the time to attendall kinds ofUK athletic events.

Well, in one of yesterday's articles Mitch Barnhart(and President Todd) had been asked about how he felt about seemingly being proven right about keeping Coach Brooks. Barnhart's response was as follows: "I know people don't believe this, but this is not about being right. I'm just happy for our players, our coaches, and our fans."

FWIW, I believe Mitch Barnhart. Listening to him tonight talk about those players' happiness after the UK football game (especially Jacob Tamme's emotions) AND how devastated that he was after our UK men's soccer team was wrongly left out of the NCAA Tourney (with his emotionally talking about the seniors that no longer have the chance to compete in the tourney:(), I heard his LOVE for those athletes. I doubt anyone could have listened to Barnhart and not feel his sincerity and his deep hurt.In addition,I noticed Barnhart had ridden the bus back with the successful women's soccer team, something I feel sure most athetic directors of big-time programsdo not do.

Mitch Barnhart has received a lot of unfair criticism, in my opinion. Meanwhile the student-athletes themselves frequently praise him. From this corner, it's KUDOS to Mitch Barnhart.

[RV]

Mitch sux.



Just thought I'd get the first one in. ;)



I think he's done an outstanding job in all phases of UK sports. Now if he could just get the ul football game scheduled at the end of the season ....

[I. Melvin]

Now if he could just get the ul football game scheduled at the end of the season ....[/color][/b]
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I've learned to listen to ole RV over the years. Sir, you are dead on about moving the UofL game to the end of the year.

Wouldn't it be delicious if it was up to us to end their soul-bartered dream of going to the Championship game?

[Spanish Moss]

I. Melvin wrote: Now if he could just get the ul football game scheduled at the end of the season ....


I've learned to listen to ole RV over the years. Sir, you are dead on about moving the UofL game to the end of the year.

Wouldn't it be delicious if it was up to us to end their soul-bartered dream of going to the Championship game?


Absolutely. If we are going to claim UL as a rival it has to be the last game of the year. If it is just another game on the schedule it should be in the middle of the season. It should NEVER start the season. Playing UL the first game has been one of the biggest makes we have made.

[Caveman Catfan]

Mitch was passionate before the game last night on the radio. I like this guy. He will do right by all of our programs.

[poodoo]

Caveman Catfan wrote: Mitch was passionate before the game last night on the radio. I like this guy. He will do right by all of our programs.

Exactly, Caveman. I love that PASSION I hear from Mitch, not only for our programs, but also the student-athletes themselves.

Also, I hope some more folkswho heard Mitch last night will respond on this thread. The man has endured so much unfair criticism, in my opinion. Sometimes people read and believe some of those comments. Listening to the man himself is a much better way to form a judgement. Personally, I hope a lot of UK fans heard Mitch Barnhart last evening. GO CATS! BEAT VANDY!

[rickdacatkilla]

I. Melvin wrote: Now if he could just get the ul football game scheduled at the end of the season ....[/b]




I've learned to listen to ole RV over the years. Sir, you are dead on about moving the UofL game to the end of the year.

Wouldn't it be delicious if it was up to us to end their soul-bartered dream of going to the Championship game?[/quote]


Guys I know this isn't the smack board so I will behave , But you guyswin one game and are acting like the rich kid under the treeChristmas morning..... Do you think the score would be any different if we played today or 3/4weeks? We just hung 44 on WVU. Trust mea last game againstuk for us would be icing on the cake for a perfect season and a lot less stressful than going to Rutgers.

Congrats on beating UGA, it was a great win.

[ukbob]

rickdacatkilla wrote: I. Melvin wrote: Now if he could just get the ul football game scheduled at the end of the season ....[/b]




I've learned to listen to ole RV over the years. Sir, you are dead on about moving the UofL game to the end of the year.

Wouldn't it be delicious if it was up to us to end their soul-bartered dream of going to the Championship game?



Guys I know this isn't the smack board so I will behave , But you guyswin one game and are acting like the rich kid under the treeChristmas morning..... Do you think the score would be any different if we played today or 3/4weeks? We just hung 44 on WVU. Trust mea last game againstuk for us would be icing on the cake for a perfect season and a lot less stressful than going to Rutgers.

Congrats on beating UGA, it was a great win.



I don't think we could beat you this year in 5 tries, but that is not the point.

Perhaps we should drop you from the schedule altogether and quit helping you out at all. After all, based upon the Sagarin ratings, we were your 2nd highest rating win of the season. That speaks volumes.

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[Gunsmoke]

At least you are admitting what all of the sports reporters are saying, other than your bought and paid for bozo at the cj, that rutgers is the last test you will have this season. I and many others in the know, just wish you could end your season AT tennessee. But you ul fans know the big least is just as tough or tougher than the sec right? Dream on in your fantasy world.

[I. Melvin]

Bob is in the house!

ukbob wrote:

Perhaps we should drop you from the schedule altogether and quit helping you out at all. After all, based upon the Sagarin ratings, we were your 2nd highest rating win of the season. That speaks volumes.

[trublue4life]

rickdacatkilla wrote:


Guys I know this isn't the smack board so I will behave , But you guyswin one game and are acting like the rich kid under the treeChristmas morning..... Do you think the score would be any different if we played today or 3/4weeks? We just hung 44 on WVU. Trust mea last game againstuk for us would be icing on the cake for a perfect season and a lot less stressful than going to Rutgers.

Congrats on beating UGA, it was a great win.


You know, I never give a lot of thought to your team or school unless we are playing them, but does UL just not have a fan website for you to spend time at? I've never understood your obsession with Wildcat fans. Get a hobby or something. Geessh.:rolleyes:

[wildcatdon]

poodoo,i heard the interview also and was very impressed...i have been in mitch's court since he started.he has a thankless job..

[Art Vandelay]

wildcatdon wrote: poodoo,i heard the interview also and was very impressed...i have been in mitch's court since he started.he has a thankless job..
Virgil Carmichael, the janitor that arrived at Pineville High School every morning at 5:00 a.m. to get the coal furnace fired up for the cold winter day ahead had a thankless job. Mitch Barnhart does not.

Regardless of your opinion regarding Mitch's job performance,heis very well paid and he gets to work with UK athletics every day. I would trade places with him in a heart beat.

[poodoo]

Thanks, wildcatdon, for responding as someone else who heard the Mitch Barnhart interview.

If "behaving" isposting that we UK fans are "acting like the rich kid under the treeon Christmas morning" after one win, then I admit that I am especially glad that I have not visited the smack board and witnessed your not behaving, rickdacatkilla. :DBy the way, I think ukbob made a valid comment, pointing out that you guys haveone win over a respected opponent at this time (and, yes, that will probably change Thursday, and you can then gloat more about your bigger and better presents :)), as UK is the second-best win you have, according toSagarin ratings. Most of all, a UKmessage board SHOULD beUK fans' enjoying themselves and their "present" after a victory. Thesmack board is for that other stuff from our rivals,as I see it.

Now back to the thread's topic, Mitch Barnhart, and especially comments from anyone else who heard the interview to which I referred. Also, after reading yesterday's Cats' Pause, I'll share a little more on the same theme. I had mentioned how many of the student-athletes so respect Barnhart. I've particularly been aware of Wesley Woodyard's and Jacob Tamme's respect for the man. In the Cats Pause I read that linebacker Johnny Williams picked up Barnhart on the field after the win and "shook him violently." That brought a big smile to my face. :)

Anyway, Barnhart said the following about the win over Georgia, as quoted by Matt May in the Cats' Pause:

"It's huge. We are in this for (the kids). They are experiencing something that at this time is as close to a championship as they can feel. That's what we get into this business for. We get into this to give them the opportunity. To see their emotion in the locker room--the hugs, the tears. Jacob Tamme was absolutely beside himself with emotion. I'm thrilled for them. That means as much to me as anything."

Again, I HEARD the sincerity in Mitch Barnhart's voice as I listened to him in the Monday nightinterview. I BELIEVE what Mitch Banrhart says, and in this too often cut-throat, me-first society of ours, including college athletics, which is indeed a business, his comments were refreshing. Yes, his main job is to help us to field a winning football program, and I feel hefully knows that and will do the job.Yet, for him also to care so much about the human beings involved, especially the student-athletes themselves, means a lot to me, FWIW. :)

GO CATS! BEAT VANDY!

[trublue4life]

poodoo wrote: Thanks, wildcatdon, for responding as someone else who heard the Mitch Barnhart interview.

If "behaving" isposting that we UK fans are "acting like the rich kid under the treeon Christmas morning" after one win, then I admit that I am especially glad that I have not visited the smack board and witnessed your not behaving, rickdacatkilla. :DBy the way, I think ukbob made a valid comment, pointing out that you guys haveone win over a respected opponent at this time (and, yes, that will probably change Thursday, and you can then gloat more about your bigger and better presents :)), as UK is the second-best win you have, according toSagarin ratings. Most of all, a UKmessage board SHOULD beUK fans' enjoying themselves and their "present" after a victory. Thesmack board is for that other stuff from our rivals,as I see it.

Now back to the thread's topic, Mitch Barnhart, and especially comments from anyone else who heard the interview to which I referred. Also, after reading yesterday's Cats' Pause, I'll share a little more on the same theme. I had mentioned how many of the student-athletes so respect Barnhart. I've particularly been aware of Wesley Woodyard's and Jacob Tamme's respect for the man. In the Cats Pause I read that linebacker Johnny Williams picked up Barnhart on the field after the win and "shook him violently." That brought a big smile to my face. :)

Anyway, Barnhart said the following about the win over Georgia, as quoted by Matt May in the Cats' Pause:

"It's huge. We are in this for (the kids). They are experiencing something that at this time is as close to a championship as they can feel. That's what we get into this business for. We get into this to give them the opportunity. To see their emotion in the locker room--the hugs, the tears. Jacob Tamme was absolutely beside himself with emotion. I'm thrilled for them. That means as much to me as anything."

Again, I HEARD the sincerity in Mitch Barnhart's voice as I listened to him in the Monday nightinterview. I BELIEVE what Mitch Banrhart says, and in this too often cut-throat, me-first society of ours, including college athletics, which is indeed a business, his comments were refreshing. Yes, his main job is to help us to field a winning football program, and I feel hefully knows that and will do the job.Yet, for him also to care so much about the human beings involved, especially the student-athletes themselves, means a lot to me, FWIW. :)

GO CATS! BEAT VANDY!

poodoo, I don't know if I'm talking about the same interview or not, but as happy as Mitch was for the football team's victory he was just as disappointed for the men's soccer team getting robbed of an NCAA tourney bid. He sounded like he could have cried when he described having to try to explain to the team why they didn't get a bid (which he coul not do because it was unexplainable!). I say all that to point out that Mitch Barnhart, first and foremost, truly cares about the student-athlete of ALL UK sports and anyone who doubts his sincerity in that regard simply doesn't know what they are talking about.

[Mountain Cat]

Advise to Mitch:

Love UK Men's Basketball with all your heart. Love UK Football as you love yourself.

Your success at UK hangs on these two sports. All other sports at UK are meaningless if you don't succeed in those two.

[POEKLM]

We had 4 coaches voted SEC coaches of the year in their respective sports last year. I look for more this year.

[Mountain Cat]

POEKLM wrote: We had 4 coaches voted SEC coaches of the year in their respective sports last year. I look for more this year.

Do any of those coach Men's Basketball or Football?

:shrug:

No? then WGAF

[l5316]

Mountaincat!

Let me be the first to go on record as saying I GAF!

[Mountain Cat]

l5316 wrote: Mountaincat!

Let me be the first to go on record as saying I GAF!


QQQQ

liar liar POF

[Brian McCat]

Mountain Cat wrote: Do any of those coach Men's Basketball or Football?

:shrug:

No? then WGAF


Let's clean it up, ok?

[poodoo]

poodoo, I don't know if I'm talking about the same interview or not, but as happy as Mitch was for the football team's victory he was just as disappointed for the men's soccer team getting robbed of an NCAA tourney bid. He sounded like he could have cried when he described having to try to explain to the team why they didn't get a bid (which he coul not do because it was unexplainable!). I say all that to point out that Mitch Barnhart, first and foremost, truly cares about the student-athlete of ALL UK sports and anyone who doubts his sincerity in that regard simply doesn't know what they are talking about. QUOTE by trublue4life

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Yes, trublue4life, I am talking about the same interview. Too, in my original post I had mentioned how "devastated" Barnhart was about the men's soccer team's having been unjustly left out of the NCAA Tourney. Since this forum is a football forum, I also mentioned his happiness for those players and went on to share his comments in that regard on another post on this thread.

I so agree that what was most impressive in hearing Barnhart was how he really CARED about those student-athletes, especially those men's soccer players who had been mistreated. He did indeed sound as if he could have cried, and he even apologized for continuing to talk about his disappointment for those men's soccer players.

In fact, that's why I was asking how many of you had heard the interview. Mitch's SINCERITY, a quality I so value along with character and integrity, was so obvious.Frankly, Idon't see how anyone could listentoBarnhart that eveningand doubt hissincerity in regard to caring about all the student-athletes,orthink thatBarnhartsimply cares about the money involved in UK's athletic teams' advancing, etc. The man most obviously generally CARES, and, again, I think that is so refreshing.

As I said,Mitch Barnhart willstill do the job he has to doas a"businessman" running big-time athletics programs (and he has most obviously made some fine coaching hires, by the way, besides supporting his basketball coach's desire for a new practice facility).Yet, that Mitch Barnhart caresMOST about the student-athletes themselves means a lot to me, FWIW. As he himselfsaid, THEY are reason "we" get into this "business."

In my opinion, the man has taken far too much unfair criticism from the local media (which lost some of its connections when Barnhart arrived) and fans displeased with the increased ticket prices (while IU's football tickets are now $37 each and Vandy's have been $35 each for many years) and the football disappointments under his hire, Coach Brooks (surely, in reality,much related to probation). Sorry for that terribly long sentence, but it surely covered a lot of bases. :)

Anyway, while the local media may not give Barnhartthe credithe should be getting for his genuine concern for the university's student-athletes, I havesimply tried to do so on this thread. As a retired teacher, I tend to recognizeand appreciate such concern within those in the field of education, and being an athletic-director of a universityis indeed still beinga part ofthe field of education. Kudos to Mitch Barnhart. :)

[Terry L. Wildcat]

:cool:poodoo, Great post...I too think Mitch has taken undue heat...I hope he's here for a long time.

[TrueblueCATfan]

ukbob wrote: rickdacatkilla wrote: I. Melvin wrote: Now if he could just get the ul football game scheduled at the end of the season ....[/b]




I've learned to listen to ole RV over the years. Sir, you are dead on about moving the UofL game to the end of the year.

Wouldn't it be delicious if it was up to us to end their soul-bartered dream of going to the Championship game?



Guys I know this isn't the smack board so I will behave , But you guyswin one game and are acting like the rich kid under the treeChristmas morning..... Do you think the score would be any different if we played today or 3/4weeks? We just hung 44 on WVU. Trust mea last game againstuk for us would be icing on the cake for a perfect season and a lot less stressful than going to Rutgers.

Congrats on beating UGA, it was a great win.



I don't think we could beat you this year in 5 tries, but that is not the point.

Perhaps we should drop you from the schedule altogether and quit helping you out at all. After all, based upon the Sagarin ratings, we were your 2nd highest rating win of the season. That speaks volumes.


exactly Ukbob......I say drop them Mitch
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[TrueblueCATfan]

Mountain Cat wrote: POEKLM wrote: We had 4 coaches voted SEC coaches of the year in their respective sports last year. I look for more this year.

Do any of those coach Men's Basketball or Football?

:shrug:

No? then WGAF

I do and so does the rest of the UK fans...I cheer for all sports.....:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup:thumbu p:thumbup:thumbupa big thumbs up for Mitch

[CATHYnKY]

l5316 wrote: Mountaincat!

Let me be the first to go on record as saying I GAF!
Me too. I went to my 1st women's bball game last year as well as my 1st baseball game. This is the second year I have purchased women's season tix. I didn't attend many, but if I lived in Lexington I sure would. I plan on going to more Lady Cat games and ended up going to several baseball games. There is more to UK sports than football and basketball. They get most of the P/R and attendance, but there is more. I am enjoying ALL the sports events I get to go to. And so....I definitely GA^&*!....care.

[bleedbluelady]

Terry L. Wildcat wrote: :cool:poodoo, Great post...I too think Mitch has taken undue heat...I hope he's here for a long time.
I'll second that. :thumbup

[Dr. H Lecter]

Poodoo. I agree with you 110%. Sometimes I've felt you and I were the only ones willing to stick our necks out to admit it. Now a few years later...and several awesome hires later....the sports program at UK is headed in the right direction.

He was not hired to be the director of F-Ball or B-Ball operations. NO. As athletic director his job was to find and hire Coach Cohen, Demoss, Skinner, Lyden, Schmidt, etc..... They are all building top notch programs.

4are 2006 SEC Coaches of the Year (second most in the SEC).

His boss, President Todd said, "When I selected Mitch Barnhart to lead the UK AthDept in 2002, I gave him a specific charge: Make sure every student-athlete had the IDENTICAL oportunity to compete for championships."

That is his job and he's doing it bloody-well thank you.

[POEKLM]

Does anyone remember Art and Valerie Still? Maybe their family thought there was more to UK than men's football and basketball.

Kendall and I enjoyed following the baseball team this past year also. If I lived in Lexington I would try to lend more support. The baseball team went from worst to first in the SEC.

I think Mitch is doing an awesome job. And he is super nice.

[Mountain Cat]

Wow, these baked potatoes are great!

So are the rolls!

The steak tastes like leather, but based on the side salad, I think the Chef has this place headed in the right direction.

Here is my $50 and I'll be back next week for another crappy entree with good sides.

So when you guys go to a steak restaurant, do you brag about what a great chef they have based on the green beans and rolls.......even if the Fillet Mignon tastes like meatloaf?

No you don't. If the entree ain't right, the Chef gets fired regardless of his expertise at side items. :shrug:

[Wildcat Larry]

Mountain Cat wrote: Wow, these baked potatoes are great!

So are the rolls!

The steak tastes like leather, but based on the side salad, I think the Chef has this place headed in the right direction.

Here is my $50 and I'll be back next week for another crappy entree with good sides.

So when you guys go to a steak restaurant, do you brag about what a great chef they have based on the green beans and rolls.......even if the Fillet Mignon tastes like meatloaf?

No you don't. If the entree ain't right, the Chef gets fired regardless of his expertise at side items. :shrug:


To continue your food theme, that's all apples and oranges.

Your example is based on someone who just wanders into the restaurant, not someone who has loyalty to the the restaurant. (your example doesn't fit, but I'll go on with your analogy) That's like saying if I wander into a football stadium and didn't care about either team, and saw a crappy game, then I wouldn't spend my money to return.

We, however, are fans of a specific team, so when we go into the stadium and see less than we want to see, we check for things like improvement. We don't say that we won't show up any more and won't spend our money to support our team.

If you are jsut interested in the product that you get, then you aren't a fan of a particular team, you are strictly a consumer and I would advise that you seek out a new team/restaurant that will satisfy your culinary/consumer tastes.

For me, if my brother owns a restaurant and I get a bad meal. I don't desert him, I do whatever is necessary to support him and help him improve. I say lets find a way to make the steak better, not just ignore the fact that the potatoes and salads are great. Don't minimize how much the potatoes and salads mean to people.

Now that was a ridiculous and boring post. :shrug::?

[TrueblueCATfan]

Mountain Cat wrote: Wow, these baked potatoes are great!

So are the rolls!

The steak tastes like leather, but based on the side salad, I think the Chef has this place headed in the right direction.

Here is my $50 and I'll be back next week for another crappy entree with good sides.

So when you guys go to a steak restaurant, do you brag about what a great chef they have based on the green beans and rolls.......even if the Fillet Mignon tastes like meatloaf?

No you don't. If the entree ain't right, the Chef gets fired regardless of his expertise at side items. :shrug:

me thinksI have a solution to your problem:rolleyes:

[ukfubar]

Should universities and colleges drop all sports but Football & Basketball?

We all know that a lot of the money for the AD department is derived from the Football and Basketball games. The one the field/court performance helps raise this money, but Mitch is not the AD of Football and Basketball only.

He is responsible for every stuedent athlete in that department from top to bottom. His goal is to provide the same opportunity for every student athlete that goes to UK. He should hold the blame if the entire AD department goes down the drain, not if one sport is not performing to expectations. Lee Todd brought Mitch in to the AD department to skake things up and improve it, which he has done in my opinion. We would not blame the CEO of Walmart if one store is not meeting expectiations, if a majority of the stores were then yes could blame him. Mitch has helped bring up a majority of the programs at UK.

UK is not solely about the football and basketball progrmams. Many of us have attended UK and graduated with a degree from their. It is about us too. I am proud to be a graduate of UK even if the basketball team, football team, and gymnastics team does not perform. Remember the ultimate goal of the university is to improve the life for people in the state of Kentucky and its alumni.

[Mountain Cat]

In all seriousness, Football and Basketball (mens) pay the bills, and are therefore justifiably more important (that's super important for Poeklm) than the charity cases like womens softball etc.

All student athletes are not equal because they do not contribute the same amount to the bottom line of the athletic program.

He who does not pay attention to these realities of NCAA sporting life, will soon find himself.....at Vandy :lol:

[TrueblueCATfan]

Mountain Cat wrote: In all seriousness, Football and Basketball (mens) pay the bills, and are therefore justifiably more important (that's super important for Poeklm) than the charity cases like womens softball etc.

All student athletes are not equal because they do not contribute the same amount to the bottom line of the athletic program.

He who does not pay attention to these realities of NCAA sporting life, will soon find himself.....at Vandy :lol:

PLease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this has to be the most idiotic post I have ever seen...

[TrueblueCATfan]

Mountain Cat wrote: POEKLM wrote: We had 4 coaches voted SEC coaches of the year in their respective sports last year. I look for more this year.

Do any of those coach Men's Basketball or Football?

:shrug:

No? then WGAF

they are still apart of the university's atheletic program and getting a vote like helps with recruiting..3 cheers for Mitch..he did hire these people

[Art Vandelay]

Mitch Barnhart has his strengths. He has increased revenues and he has improved the quality of the non revenue sports. These things are important and they enhance the quality and overall reputation of the university. For these things he is certainly to be commended.

Let's not be naive, however. At best, the jury is still out on the job Barnhart has done relative to the football and basketball programs. Barnhart's tenure will ultimately be judged by how these programs fare. The folks contributing to this thread notwithstanding, the average fan really only cares about football and basketball.

Barnhart was reputed to be a football AD. That's one of the main reasons he was hired. If he doesn't vastly improve the football program, he will be deemed a failure. A failure that will be magnified by the great success of Tom Jurich at Louisville. If the basketball program continuesitsdownward turn, he will certainly be deemed a failure. In one of the most ill advised statements ever mad, Barnhart famously said "we will own this state." He apparently didn't realize that UK already owned, it was just his job to make sure he didn't lose it.

[Wildcat Larry]

Mountain Cat wrote: All student athletes are not equal because they do not contribute the same amount to the bottom line of the athletic program.

Okay, I'll bite on this one. This is like saying that all US citizen are not equal because they don't contribute the same amount to the bottm line of the country.

Wow! Talk about an elite materialist. :shock:

And I think that's actually a serious statement he made. :?:shrug:

[Art Vandelay]

Wildcat Larry wrote: Mountain Cat wrote: All student athletes are not equal because they do not contribute the same amount to the bottom line of the athletic program.

Okay, I'll bite on this one. This is like saying that all US citizen are not equal because they don't contribute the same amount to the bottm line of the country.

Wow! Talk about an elite materialist. :shock:

And I think that's actually a serious statement he made. :?:shrug:

"Elite materialist" or pragmatist? Have you ever wondered why the men's baseball, golf, track, etc. teams don't offer more full scholarships? It's because they're non revenue sports. Women's sports get more only because of title IX. All of it is paid for by men's basketball and football.

I don't think anyone believes one student athlete is really better than another in terms of their individual contribution. Likewise, I don't believe any of you really care as much about the non revenue sports as you do men's basketball and football.

BTW, not all US citizens are equal in every sense of the word. For example, I'm quite sure an appearance by George Clooney at a UK sporting event would generatea lot more interest than I do when I attend. Much the same as I've noticed that a lot more fans attend UK football games, as bad as we've been over the years, than attend women's basketball games. Go figure.

[TrueblueCATfan]

Art Vandelay wrote: Wildcat Larry wrote: Mountain Cat wrote: All student athletes are not equal because they do not contribute the same amount to the bottom line of the athletic program.

Okay, I'll bite on this one. This is like saying that all US citizen are not equal because they don't contribute the same amount to the bottm line of the country.

Wow! Talk about an elite materialist. :shock:

And I think that's actually a serious statement he made. :?:shrug:

"Elite materialist" or pragmatist? Have you ever wondered why the men's baseball, golf, track, etc. teams don't offer more full scholarships? It's because they're non revenue sports. Women's sports get more only because of title IX. All of it is paid for by men's basketball and football.

I don't think anyone believes one student athlete is really better than another in terms of their individual contribution. Likewise, I don't believe any of you really care as much about the non revenue sports as you do men's basketball and football.

BTW, not all US citizens are equal in every sense of the word. For example, I'm quite sure an appearance by George Clooney at a UK sporting event would generatea lot more interest than I do when I attend. Much the same as I've noticed that a lot more fans attend UK football games, as bad as we've been over the years, than attend women's basketball games. Go figure.

that is the problem.....there should be NO title 9.... women should be treated the same as men....I am dealing with these same issues at my daughters high school the girls do not get what the boys do....if they are not careful they are going to be slapped with another title 9 suit:cry:

[LAcat]

TrueblueCATfan wrote: Art Vandelay wrote: Wildcat Larry wrote: Mountain Cat wrote: All student athletes are not equal because they do not contribute the same amount to the bottom line of the athletic program.

Okay, I'll bite on this one. This is like saying that all US citizen are not equal because they don't contribute the same amount to the bottm line of the country.

Wow! Talk about an elite materialist. :shock:

And I think that's actually a serious statement he made. :?:shrug:

"Elite materialist" or pragmatist? Have you ever wondered why the men's baseball, golf, track, etc. teams don't offer more full scholarships? It's because they're non revenue sports. Women's sports get more only because of title IX. All of it is paid for by men's basketball and football.

I don't think anyone believes one student athlete is really better than another in terms of their individual contribution. Likewise, I don't believe any of you really care as much about the non revenue sports as you do men's basketball and football.

BTW, not all US citizens are equal in every sense of the word. For example, I'm quite sure an appearance by George Clooney at a UK sporting event would generatea lot more interest than I do when I attend. Much the same as I've noticed that a lot more fans attend UK football games, as bad as we've been over the years, than attend women's basketball games. Go figure.

that is the problem.....there should be NO title 9.... women should be treated the same as men....I am dealing with these same issues at my daughters high school the girls do not get what the boys do....if they are not careful they are going to be slapped with another title 9 suit:cry:
There is a college in California, I believe one of the Cal States, that was threatened with law suits for failing to comply with Title 9. They fixed that problem by shutting down all the athletics so the women would be treated equally with men...they both lose out.