Who's # 2????????

[ukfanman]

Michigan and Ohio State are done until bowl time.

Florida still has Fl State then Ark. Ark still has LSU then Fl.

Southern Cal and ND meet next week.

There is possibly going to be 4, maybe more, teams with only one loss.

Who plays Ohio State??

I say we see a OSU-Michigan rematch. Florida, or Southern Cal, has to win big to leapfrog them.

[Doug Hardin]

The argument against a playoff is that the regular season serves as its own playoff system. If you let Michigan and Ohio State have a rematch, that destroys the credibility of the "regular season as a playoff" theory. It also doesn't make sense to make Ohio State prove itself over Michigan twice, or to declare Michigan the national champion over OSU after going 1-1 against them.

I think it'll be SC. I don't see UCLA or ND beating them.

I think Arkansas will lose to either LSU or UF, quite possibly both.

Florida will have a very good argument if they're 12-1 and SEC champs.

I don't think WVU will lose again. They could crack the title game if they win out and get a little help (e.g., USC beats ND and loses to UCLA, Arkansas loses to LSU and beats Florida). And of course, if WVU sneaks into the title game, Louisville will be wondering why they're not in it.

[Sam K.]

I'd have to go w Mich. number 2 right now. However if USC wins out I think they are deserving. If SC loses one and and ARk or Fl win out....

Oh, if Texas loses another game I don't think OSU's win in Austin is as significant which trickles down to Michigan and their case that they only lost by 3 to the #1 team.

[ukbob]

The 2 best teams played yesterday....OSU and Mich.

They will replay it for the NC.

Everyone else is playing for 3rd.

[KapitalCat]

ukbob wrote: The 2 best teams played yesterday....OSU and Mich.

They will replay it for the NC.

Everyone else is playing for 3rd.



I agree...if the game is played in Mich, Mich wins (I think). Great game, two best teams and there needs to be a rematch in a nuetral location.

[SCBlu]

ukbob wrote: The 2 best teams played yesterday....OSU and Mich.

They will replay it for the NC.

Everyone else is playing for 3rd.

You got it right, Bob!

[Gunsmoke]

To me oSU's victory yesterday is tainted because it was played at OSU. It isn't like they blew out Michigan on their home field they barely won. Championships should be determined on neutral fields not on somebody's home field. But any team in any conference could use this excuse. I just think those two are the best two teams overall this year.

[WarrenSCPA]

I think Ohio State's "reward" for winning yesterday should be that they do not have to play Michigan again. It is "not fair" to have to play a good team like that twice. The first loser seems to always win the rematch....I am thinking about Florida beating Florida State in the rematch for the National Championship game with Spurrier/Wuerfel. Also, several years ago (in the late 70's maybe 80's) the Orange Bowl had a Nebraska-Oklahoma rematch in which Oklahoma won after losing the game in the regular season.

Think how we felt in Sutton's first year when we lost to LSU in the final 8 after beating them the three previous times that year.

I just think it is too hard to beat that good of a team twice in one year. I do not disagree that Michigan might be the second best team in the country.

[Mountain Cat]

Florida will be #2, until they beat OSU to be the National Champs.

ND will not let USC get to the title game.

[phoenix]

ukbob wrote: The 2 best teams played yesterday....OSU and Mich.

They will replay it for the NC.

Everyone else is playing for 3rd.


I agree but hard to tell if voters do.

FL is a weak showing for their record thus far.

MI has done a couple of pretty good things, handed WI its only loss of the season, and beat Notre Dame AT Notre Dame when they have a pretty good team there.

Another good argument for playoffs this year.

I think that MI and Ohio State ARE the premier schools and should have a chance to replay it on a neutral field, which if handicapped should be right at even money. Great betting line if nothing else.

[gerntz]

I thought it was Marcus McClinton.

[ukfanman]

Ohio State #1

Michigan stays #2

Southern Cal #3

[Caveman Catfan]

Coaches flip USC and UM from the AP poll:

1. OSU

2. USC

3. UM

[RV]

The Buckeyes will play the winner of the SC-ND game for the title.

[joneagin]

RV wrote: The Buckeyes will play the winner of the SC-ND game for the title.



Not if ND wins (which I think they might). Everyone who watched yesterday knows that Mich and OSU are the two best team...and ND will NEVER get put in the title game over a Mich team that CRUSHED them at home.

[yitbos]

Gunsmoke wrote: To me oSU's victory yesterday is tainted because it was played at OSU.
How can you say that? Does that mean every game thats played at an opponents field is tainted? OSU won last year at UM, does that make it a bigger win than this year because they won on the road?

[BamaCat86]

ukbob wrote: The 2 best teams played yesterday....OSU and Mich.

They will replay it for the NC.

Everyone else is playing for 3rd.


The lack of defense in the game makes me question whether they are the best two teams in the country. ESPN and ABC will tell you that they are but I think that you can make a case against either team by looking at their schedules.

OSU has played 4 ranked teams. Only 2 are still ranked. Outside of UM, they had a very winnable schedule.

UM has played 2 ranked teams this season, going 1-1 with the win against Notre Dame which always carries too much weight.

OSU deserves to play for the title based on their 12-0 season. Michigan had their chance and lost.

I see USC, Notre Dame or maybe Florida (if everything falls just right) playing OSU for the title.

If OSU and UM get rematch, I agree with Urban Meyer in that we need a playoff and we need it now.

[yitbos]

But USC, Notre Dame, and Florida all have 1 loss too, so how does that make them a better opponent than UM?

[jaspcat]

According to BCS guru on the radio this morning, only3 teams have a shot at jumping Michigan:

USC will pass them based on strength of schedule if they beat Notre Dame and UCLA. Florida has a slight chance if they beat a one-loss Arkansas and USC beats ND, but loses to UCLA. (If ND beats USC, it helps Michigan by bolstering the strength of their victory over ND). Ark has a minute chance if they destroy Fla and the human polls allow them to leapfrog Mich.

I think we'll see a rematch.

[Cincy110]

There will be no rematch, nor should there be a rematch. Michigan had their opportunity and lost. USC will win out and jump Michigan.

GO BUCKS!!

[poodoo]

I laughed when I read the score of the game, because I had posted here AND said to my husband that a three-point win by Ohio State at home would make things interesting and be further evidence that the current BCS system is ridiculous (and I fail to understand how some can continue to defend it so staunchly). If I'm not mistaken, the home field advantage is 3.5 points. That seems to me that Michigan would have beaten Ohio State IF ONLY the game had not been playedin Columbus. :ggrin:

Although I was joking, I do think it is a shame that the national championship for college football is not literally played on the field. :(I like how the season means something, BUT I do not like that only TWO teams have a chance to win that championship, two teams that are essentially given the opportunity because of nothing but OPINIONS.

Sure, Ohio State deserves one of those spots after having beaten #2 Michigan. Again, though, isn't it something that Michigan, by purely numbers, would be deemed the better team because of Ohio State's only having won the game by three points, and will thus likely be denied a chance to win the championship!

I don't have any "dogs in this fight." I honestly don't care. That's because I think a good case could be made for several teams. Also, as I read the thread, I repeatedly noticed the word "THINK." Everyone is simply giving OPINIONS (and many teams have been named as teams who should feel that second spot:)), and OPINIONS are, unfortunately, exactly what will determine which other college football team is given the chance to win a championship. To me, such a system is indefensible. Just my humble OPINION on the matter. :D

[Cincy110]

^WHAT?

2 teams are given the opportunity to play for the championship because of what they do through the entire season. Not, by opinions. The problem with voting is exactly what you just said. You saw the score and ASSUMED that Michigan is the better team, just because the final score and the location of the game. Each week is an elimination.

Plain and simple. DON'T LOSE AND YOU WILL PLAY FOR THE TITLE.

[GeorgiaBlue]

There should be no OSU-Michigan rematch. It is unfair to OSU. If the two meet in the National Title game - then your telling OSU that in order to win the BCS title - you have to beat Michigan twice - meanwhile they only have to beat you once to be crowned champs....

My pick? OSU vs. UF....

[poodoo]

Cincy110 wrote: ^WHAT?

2 teams are given the opportunity to play for the championship because of what they do through the entire season. Not, by opinions. The problem with voting is exactly what you just said. You saw the score and ASSUMED that Michigan is the better team, just because the final score and the location of the game. Each week is an elimination.

Plain and simple. DON'T LOSE AND YOU WILL PLAY FOR THE TITLE.


Cincy110, you misunderstood my post. No, I did not ASSUME that Michigan was the better team. I simply shared that by what betting goes back, Michigan would THEORETICALLY be the better team. :)

Again, I have "no dog in this fight." I am sharing that the particular argument COULD be used.

I STILL say that some years the national championship is determined by OPINIONS, how pollsters decide who is the BETTER team. DON'T LOSE AND YOU WILL PLAY FOR THE TITLE does not work, by the way, when the undefeated teams have played weak schedules, or when there are three or more undefeated teams (as when Auburn was left out of the championship game. People's OPINIONS are often deciding which two teams get the chance.

I think you interpreted my post to mean that Michigan should get another chance and that Michigan is better than Ohio State. :)Heavens, no. That was absolutely not the case. I was not remotely putting down Ohio State (who I happen to think is the better team, by the way, and certainly the most deserving to be in the national championship game). I'm just pointing out that according to the betting system, that argumentCOULD be made, which shows the unfairness of the current system of selecting the two teams who play in the national championship game, nothing more than that.

Read through the thread and notice the different OPINIONS as to who should be the second team. If things turn out the way they are going, there are several teams, including Michigan, who have fairly impressive arguments for being that second team. I'm not getting into the argument at all, but the pollsters are human beings, just as we are, humans with opinions. :)GO CATS! BEAT UT!

[poodoo]

poodoo wrote: Cincy110 wrote: ^WHAT?

2 teams are given the opportunity to play for the championship because of what they do through the entire season. Not, by opinions. The problem with voting is exactly what you just said. You saw the score and ASSUMED that Michigan is the better team, just because the final score and the location of the game. Each week is an elimination.

Plain and simple. DON'T LOSE AND YOU WILL PLAY FOR THE TITLE.


Cincy110, you misunderstood my post. No, I did not ASSUME that Michigan was the better team. I simply shared that by according to what Vegas uses, Michigan would THEORETICALLY, TECHNICALLY,be the better team. :)

Again, I have "no dog in this fight." Iwas onlysharingwhat argument COULD be used, and I thought that was just kind of humorous. :)I amnot saying that Michigan shouldget the second chance towin the game. All the differing opinons on the thread are interesting to me, because that is what will end up deciding up who is that second participant (not who does not lose).

So I STILL say that some years the national championship is determined by OPINIONS, how pollsters decide who is the BETTER team. DON'T LOSE AND YOU WILL PLAY FOR THE TITLE does not work, by the way, when the undefeated teams have played weak schedules, or when there are three or more undefeated teams (as when Auburn was left out of the championship game. People's OPINIONS are often deciding which two teams get the chance.

Of course, I think you were referring to who won that particular game between the two schools.Sure, Ohio State must be in that national championship game. Obviously. I think you interpreted my post, though,to mean that Michigan should get another chance and that Michigan is better than Ohio State. :)Heavens, no. That was absolutely not the case. I was not remotely putting down Ohio State (who I happen to think is the better team, by the way, and certainly the most deserving to be in the national championship game). I'm just pointing out that according to the betting system, that argumentCOULD be made :D, which shows the unfairness of the current system of selecting the two teams who play in the national championship game, nothing more than that. Also, how many turnovers a team has, etc., do not enter into the equation when records are being considered. :)

Read through the thread and notice the different OPINIONS as to who should be the second participant. If things turn out the way they are going, there are several teams, including Michigan, according to many, who have fairly impressive arguments for being that second team. I'm not getting into the argument at all, asI honestly don't care,but the pollsters are human beings, just as we are, humans with opinions. :)GO CATS! BEAT UT!

[LAcat]

If USC beats Notre Dame and UCLA they're in. They'rejust a few points behind Michigan now and Michigan isdone. USC played the 2nd toughest schedule in the country. If USC loses, then who knows...there will be about four teams with a shot.

[Sam K.]

Mountain Cat wrote: Florida will be #2, until they beat OSU to be the National Champs.

ND will not let USC get to the title game.




Mountain Cat, subtract the second line and you nailed it.

[Mountain Cat]

Sam K. wrote: Mountain Cat wrote: Florida will be #2, until they beat OSU to be the National Champs.

ND will not let USC get to the title game.




Mountain Cat, subtract the second line and you nailed it.


Thanks Sam. You are a good man for giving the old MC props for calling it. I have been telling folks here in GA for weeks that I expected a blowout by UF due to speed of play.

The Gators made OSU's not-so-special QB look slow and scared.