Extra Play at End of 1Q in UK - ULM Game?

[gerntz]

ULM was awarded an extra play after clock ran out in 1Q. The penalty was against ULM. The previous play was a UK punt & I believe it wasthe typicalpush in the back thing.

I thought extra plays were only awarded when the penalty was on the D and the same team as the penalty was on didn't have possession.

Please explain. Thanks.

[lighthouse]

gerntz wrote: ULM was awarded an extra play after clock ran out in 1Q. The penalty was against ULM. The previous play was a UK punt & I believe it wasthe typicalpush in the back thing.

I thought extra plays were only awarded when the penalty was on the D and the same team as the penalty was on didn't have possession.

Please explain. Thanks.


As you have described the play, something is missing. As you state, the only way for ULM to be allowed to run an untimed down, would be for the foul to be on UK. I have not been able to see the replay, so at this point, that's the best I can do.

If anyone can let me know exactly what the foul was, it would help.

[ukcatfan]

The quarter, half or end of thegame can not occur if there was a penalty on the defense.

[lighthouse]

ukcatfan wrote: The quarter, half or end of thegame can not occur if there was a penalty on the defense.
Agreed, but the question suggested the foul was on ULM and they were on offense.

[gerntz]

Well when does a team go from being D to O on a punt? When the ball is kicked? When they touch it beyond scrimmageor when it's dead? If when kicked, clearly they were on O when the foul occurred. If when ULM touched it, then I don't know if foul occurred before or after that.

But even if officially on D, seems strange to give an O whose team committed foulon the last previousplay.

[gerntz]

lighthouse wrote: gerntz wrote: ULM was awarded an extra play after clock ran out in 1Q. The penalty was against ULM. The previous play was a UK punt & I believe it wasthe typicalpush in the back thing.

I thought extra plays were only awarded when the penalty was on the D and the same team as the penalty was on didn't have possession.

Please explain. Thanks.


As you have described the play, something is missing. As you state, the only way for ULM to be allowed to run an untimed down, would be for the foul to be on UK. I have not been able to see the replay, so at this point, that's the best I can do.

If anyone can let me know exactly what the foul was, it would help.
Whatever the infraction was, it was a 1/2 the distance to goal penalty as ball wound up on their 9 for the first down & 10.

[lighthouse]

gerntz wrote: Well when does a team go from being D to O on a punt? When the ball is kicked? When they touch it beyond scrimmageor when it's dead? If when kicked, clearly they were on O when the foul occurred. If when ULM touched it, then I don't know if foul occurred before or after that.

But even if officially on D, seems strange to give an O whose team committed foulon the last previousplay.


On a punt, a team goes from defense to offense when the ball is touched by them.

Is there a replay on FSN? This question is driving me up a wall. I hate it when there is a question, and I can't get an answer.

[cumberlandredskin]

lighthouse wrote: gerntz wrote: Well when does a team go from being D to O on a punt? When the ball is kicked? When they touch it beyond scrimmageor when it's dead? If when kicked, clearly they were on O when the foul occurred. If when ULM touched it, then I don't know if foul occurred before or after that.

But even if officially on D, seems strange to give an O whose team committed foulon the last previousplay.


On a punt, a team goes from defense to offense when the ball is touched by them.

Is there a replay on FSN? This question is driving me up a wall. I hate it when there is a question, and I can't get an answer.

I taped the game from FSN and saw this play last night. I think the refs erred in giving ULM an extra play at the end of the first qtr. It was a block in the back penalty on the return after ULM had received the ball. Nothing hurt but they did get an extra play they should not have had.

[lighthouse]

cumberlandredskin wrote: lighthouse wrote: gerntz wrote: Well when does a team go from being D to O on a punt? When the ball is kicked? When they touch it beyond scrimmageor when it's dead? If when kicked, clearly they were on O when the foul occurred. If when ULM touched it, then I don't know if foul occurred before or after that.

But even if officially on D, seems strange to give an O whose team committed foulon the last previousplay.


On a punt, a team goes from defense to offense when the ball is touched by them.

Is there a replay on FSN? This question is driving me up a wall. I hate it when there is a question, and I can't get an answer.

I taped the game from FSN and saw this play last night. I think the refs erred in giving ULM an extra play at the end of the first qtr. It was a block in the back penalty on the return after ULM had received the ball. Nothing hurt but they did get an extra play they should not have had.

Thanks a lot for clearing it up. If they made that mistake, it might cost them a game suspension. Something like that should never happen.

If you still have the tape, I would love to see not only that play, but the whole game. PM me if I can get a copy.

Thanks.

Steve.

[cumberlandredskin]

lighthouse wrote: cumberlandredskin wrote: lighthouse wrote: gerntz wrote: Well when does a team go from being D to O on a punt? When the ball is kicked? When they touch it beyond scrimmageor when it's dead? If when kicked, clearly they were on O when the foul occurred. If when ULM touched it, then I don't know if foul occurred before or after that.

But even if officially on D, seems strange to give an O whose team committed foulon the last previousplay.


On a punt, a team goes from defense to offense when the ball is touched by them.

Is there a replay on FSN? This question is driving me up a wall. I hate it when there is a question, and I can't get an answer.

I taped the game from FSN and saw this play last night. I think the refs erred in giving ULM an extra play at the end of the first qtr. It was a block in the back penalty on the return after ULM had received the ball. Nothing hurt but they did get an extra play they should not have had.

Thanks a lot for clearing it up. If they made that mistake, it might cost them a game suspension. Something like that should never happen.

If you still have the tape, I would love to see not only that play, but the whole game. PM me if I can get a copy.

Thanks.

Steve.



I just PM'd you. :)

[lighthouse]

I learned something new this morning. I spoke with an SEC official again this morning. After checking the rule book and speaking with the SEC office, there was no mistake by the officials. On a play that ends any quarter, an untimed down will be run on an accepted penalty on either team. So if the foul was on ULM, and UK accepted the penalty, ULM would get an untimed down.

The question is, why would the defense accept a penalty on the offense?

[johnkyblue]

Why ANY quarter? That doesn't make a lick of sense. Should only be the end of a half because then the team with the ball wouldn't have a chance after that.

[lighthouse]

johnkyblue wrote: Why ANY quarter? That doesn't make a lick of sense. Should only be the end of a half because then the team with the ball wouldn't have a chance after that.

I'm just quoting the rule. The intent, you will have to take up with the supervisor of officials.

[lighthouse]

OK, here's what I found out. Cumberlandredskin graciously send me a copy of the tape, and I appreciate him.

The foul was an illegal block below the waist, and it was on ULM. The penalty was half the distance to the goal. The officials never talked to a UK captain, but allowed ULM to run an untimed down.

I spoke with my SEC contact, and he said that the call was correct. He was very busy, and I didn't get to ask him if the extended 1st Quarter was because of the type of foul, or if it was always that way. That's the best I can do for now. I hope this helps.

[cumberlandredskin]

lighthouse wrote: OK, here's what I found out. Cumberlandredskin graciously send me a copy of the tape, and I appreciate him.

The foul was an illegal block below the waist, and it was on ULM. The penalty was half the distance to the goal. The officials never talked to a UK captain, but allowed ULM to run an untimed down.

I spoke with my SEC contact, and he said that the call was correct. He was very busy, and I didn't get to ask him if the extended 1st Quarter was because of the type of foul, or if it was always that way. That's the best I can do for now. I hope this helps.

I'm glad you got the tape and you are very welcome. I never knew that about the untimed down. You would think at the end of the 1st and 3rd qtr the play would just continue into the next qtr. I can see running an untimed down at end of the 2nd and 4th. Oh well who am I to judge.:shrug:Thanks to Lighthouse for finding out about this through his good contacts.

[gerntz]

I'm just now getting back to this thread. I thought it was done & over.

First, I appreciate all the effort to get to the bottom of this as I was quite puzzled. It does seem strange that the play would be untimed in same Q that didn't end a H. It also seems strange the the team committing the foul gets an Oplay in the same Q. Now I'd really like to know why the rules are this way as it seems to reward bad FB behavior. Though I guess if the team that took the penalty was trailing they would like the play to be in the previous Q - they get more time to comeback.

jb, as far as thetaking of the penalty by UK, of course you would regardless of the Q the next play would be run in in orderto push the opponent back - unless the play ended a half without the penalty. That didn't happen here.