Brooks laments lack of respect for Wildcats

[ukfaninva]

By Mark Story
HERALD-LEADER SPORTS COLUMNIST
What I know: Rich Brooks says his seven-win team and its stars aren't getting the respect they deserve -- and (surprise) he blames the media.

What I think: We in the sports media are quite free with telling the coaches we cover how to do their jobs, so let's let Brooks have his say.

The University of Kentucky football coach says he is baffled by what he perceives as the lack of attention being given to Kentucky star players Andre Woodson, Keenan Burton, Rafael Little, Dicky Lyons Jr. and company.

He contrasted what he sees as their lack of popularity with that enjoyed by former UK stars Jared Lorenzen and Derek Abney.

"When I came here, Jared Lorenzen was a folk hero. Derek Abney was," Brooks said. "Well, Keenan Burton and Rafael Little and (UK linebacker Wesley) Woodyard are doing everything those guys did. And winning games. They've won seven games in a season. (Lorenzen and Abney) never did that."

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/sports/16064144.htm

[Brian McCat]

More proof that Mark Story is that wise-cracking 7th-grader who feels the need to attract attention to himself by putting others down.

Not worth the click.

[UK78ALUM]

Proof?

If I ever needed more proof that Brooks is an utter ***, this is it.

When I came here, Jared Lorenzen was a folk hero. Derek Abney was," Brooks said. "Well, Keenan Burton and Rafael Little and (UK linebacker Wesley) Woodyard are doing everything those guys did.

Our current players are great, no doubt. But you aren't going to win the hearts and minds of the fans by putting down two of the most popular players to ever wear the blue and white. And let's be clear, that's the backhanded compliment being paid here.

As to folk heroes, Jerry Claiborne leads the way there, and you may win more games than he did. But Rich, you have no fears of ever joining him. Folk heroes aren't easily displaced.

Also, when you shoot your mouth off coach, try to have your facts straight:

"When I came here, Jared Lorenzen was a folk hero. Derek Abney was," Brooks said. "Well, Keenan Burton and Rafael Little and (UK linebacker Wesley) Woodyard are doing everything those guys did. And winning games. They've won seven games in a season. (Lorenzen and Abney) never did that."

Of course, if we're playing by media rules, the UK coach earned a correction there. Abney and Lorenzen were standouts on the 2002 UK team that did win seven -- and would have won eight had Kentucky knocked down that (in)famous LSU Hail Mary.

Whoops........

Sigh....well, at least Kerri comes by it naturally.:?

[Stretch]

How does advocating the talents and accomplishments of your players to the media make you "an utter ***"? No wonder the players love Coach Brooks--he has no ego and he is all about the team.

[Caveman Catfan]

Brian McCat wrote: More proof that Mark Story is that wise-cracking 7th-grader who feels the need to attract attention to himself by putting others down.

Not worth the click.

I love the warning and won't give the click. Thanks.

[RV]

Story is a dolt. His first sentence tells all.

[Art Vandelay]

I think it's odd that Brooks seems not to consider Jared and Derek his players. That attitude speaks volumes as to why he just threw away that 2003 season. Lorenzen, Abney, and a lot of other kids played their guts out for UK during one of the most turbulent periods of UK football. They deserved a lot better than they got from Brooks and company in 2003 and they deserve better than to be run down by Brooks now.

[UK78ALUM]

Mountain Cat said it best:

IMO, Brooks is out of touch and is confusing the lack of support for himself and Archer with a lack of support for those kids. The fans absolutely adore Woodson, Burton, Little, Lyons andTamme. Those guys are awesome.

[gomitch]

UK78ALUM wrote: Mountain Cat said it best:

IMO, Brooks is out of touch and is confusing the lack of support for himself and Archer with a lack of support for those kids. The fans absolutely adore Woodson, Burton, Little, Lyons andTamme. Those guys are awesome.


If they adore the kids so much, why aren't they showing up to watch them play?

I don't buy your logic...

But, I do agree that these kids are AWESOME!

[Mountain Cat]

gomitch wrote: UK78ALUM wrote: Mountain Cat said it best:

IMO, Brooks is out of touch and is confusing the lack of support for himself and Archer with a lack of support for those kids. The fans absolutely adore Woodson, Burton, Little, Lyons andTamme. Those guys are awesome.


If they adore the kids so much, why aren't they showing up to watch them play?

I don't buy your logic...

But, I do agree that these kids are AWESOME!

The players are not the ones with paychecks depending on ticket revenue. Do the math.

[yitbos]

Some people will never like or have a good word to say about Brooks, which is fine with me. He has done a hell of a job with a program that was headed for disaster. He took a job very few wanted, argue all you want about that point I didnt see anyone else accept the job. He has turned our program around the right way and calls things like he see's them.

[johnkyblue]

I never understood the hero worship directed to JLo, like Coach Brooks. Woodson has done so much better this year than JL ever did.

Dave, I'm sorry, but I don't hear the lovey dovey things I heard about JL about Woodson. Somebody explained it to me as racism, and I'm grasping at straws.

People put their hatred for Hudson, and yeah, they are the exact same people, we live in a community around here and I remember, even though he is gone, over being fans and our kids now.

[Art Vandelay]

johnkyblue wrote: I never understood the hero worship directed to JLo, like Coach Brooks. Woodson has done so much better this year than JL ever did.

Dave, I'm sorry, but I don't hear the lovey dovey things I heard about JL about Woodson. Somebody explained it to me as racism, and I'm grasping at straws.

People put their hatred for Hudson, and yeah, they are the exact same people, we live in a community around here and I remember, even though he is gone, over being fans and our kids now.


There's no reason to grasp at straws on this one. Jared was a big kid with a big personality. Kentucky fans and the media were drawn to him for that reason.I can tell you from personal experience that he got the same response from opposing fans when Kentucky played on the road.

Most importantly, JLo was a competitor. Despite having to play for three coaches and three different offenses, Jared played hard every game. This is also despite the fact that both Morris and Brooks tried to replace him with the "quarterback of the future", Shane Boyd - only to find out that Jared gave them their best chance of winning.

Andre has had a great year and I think all UK fans support him and wish him well. Let's be honest, however, it wasn't that long ago that Brooks himself was talking about how soft Andre was and that he wasn't getting with the program, etc.

I still say, if Brooks and Co. take care of their business, the fans will come around.

[Mountain Cat]

Yep, J-Lo would lower that shoulder and send a DB flying. It was hard for Coach to get him to slide. Brave play is the stuff of heroes.

[CatsSaintsFan]

Brian McCat wrote: More proof that Mark Story is that wise-cracking 7th-grader who feels the need to attract attention to himself by putting others down.

Not worth the click.



He's also right. They have been fair of their assessment and have been positive of the turnaround but taking fair shots ast this defense.

If Brooks wants me to do more than "tolerate" him. He has to stop taking his pot shots at the past. It makes him a hypocrite to bash the media for being negative and then take a cheap shot at Lorenzen and Abney. Maybe some fans would like him more if he showcased them the way he does his own recruits. His treatment of them adds to the disdain of some fans.

I don't like Brooks...I don't hate Brooks...I tolerate him....as long as he's winning. He can be such an honorable person in many ways but he can also be a complete horses butt.

Also, if you're going to take a shot at someone....you should try to be accurate

[CatsSaintsFan]

UK78ALUM wrote:
Sigh....well, at least Kerri comes by it naturally.:?





My favorite line of the day :D

[CatsSaintsFan]

johnkyblue wrote: I never understood the hero worship directed to JLo, like Coach Brooks. Woodson has done so much better this year than JL ever did.

Dave, I'm sorry, but I don't hear the lovey dovey things I heard about JL about Woodson. Somebody explained it to me as racism, and I'm grasping at straws.

People put their hatred for Hudson, and yeah, they are the exact same people, we live in a community around here and I remember, even though he is gone, over being fans and our kids now.


J-Lo is a hero for one reason. He was the Chris Farley of football. A big lovable guy with a great personality who could poke fun of himself.

Also, like most men in kentucky, he's overweight...so we relate to him;)

[bleedbluelady]

How in the world did what Brooks said translate into putting down Jared and Abney?:?:? I sure didn't take it that way.

[CatsSaintsFan]

bleedbluelady wrote: How in the world did what Brooks said translate into putting down Jared and Abney?:?:? I sure didn't take it that way.
He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way

[Mark Blueblood]

Now bleedbluelady, you should know - that for those who don't like him - they take EVERYthing Rich Brooks says that way.

[FatCatDaddy]

Art Vandelay wrote: I think it's odd that Brooks seems not to consider Jared and Derek his players. That attitude speaks volumes as to why he just threw away that 2003 season. Lorenzen, Abney, and a lot of other kids played their guts out for UK during one of the most turbulent periods of UK football. They deserved a lot better than they got from Brooks and company in 2003 and they deserve better than to be run down by Brooks now.
This is the precise reason why I will never ever like Brooks. He could go undefeated and I still would like his personality no more.

[Brian McCat]

CatsSaintsFan wrote: He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way

I didn't take it that way at all.

JL and DA have undoubted cult status, and he wants to see "his guys" get the same kind of attention. Makes sense to me.

[TrueblueCATfan]

Brian McCat wrote: CatsSaintsFan wrote: He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way

I didn't take it that way at all.

JL and DA have undoubted cult status, and he wants to see "his guys" get the same kind of attention. Makes sense to me.

we have a winner...........exactly why Brooks is upset over the attendance....we had huge crowds at Commonwealth while Jared and Derek played and he wants the same for these players..........andI for one think they deserve it.....

[CatsSaintsFan]

TrueblueCATfan wrote: Brian McCat wrote: CatsSaintsFan wrote: He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way

I didn't take it that way at all.

JL and DA have undoubted cult status, and he wants to see "his guys" get the same kind of attention. Makes sense to me.

we have a winner...........exactly why Brooks is upset over the attendance....we had huge crowds at Commonwealth while Jared and Derek played and he wants the same for these players..........andI for one think they deserve it.....
I agree that these Cats deserve the crowds that the 2002 team had. It's a shame they don't.

[RV]

TrueblueCATfan wrote: Brian McCat wrote: CatsSaintsFan wrote: He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way

I didn't take it that way at all.

JL and DA have undoubted cult status, and he wants to see "his guys" get the same kind of attention. Makes sense to me.

we have a winner...........exactly why Brooks is upset over the attendance....we had huge crowds at Commonwealth while Jared and Derek played and he wants the same for these players..........andI for one think they deserve it.....
Exactamundo!

[Doug Hardin]

CatsSaintsFan wrote: bleedbluelady wrote: How in the world did what Brooks said translate into putting down Jared and Abney?:?:? I sure didn't take it that way.
He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way
I didn't read it that way. I read it like, "Jared and Derek became heroes for what they did. Andre, Keenan, and Rafael have done as much as Jared and Derek. Therefore, Andre, Keenan, and Rafael should be viewed as heroes as well." I didn't see anything negative directed at any former players.

[Art Vandelay]

Doug Hardin wrote: CatsSaintsFan wrote: bleedbluelady wrote: How in the world did what Brooks said translate into putting down Jared and Abney?:?:? I sure didn't take it that way.
He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way
I didn't read it that way. I read it like, "Jared and Derek became heroes for what they did. Andre, Keenan, and Rafael have done as much as Jared and Derek. Therefore, Andre, Keenan, and Rafael should be viewed as heroes as well." I didn't see anything negative directed at any former players.
To construe it in such a positive manner you have to ingnore the part where he said they were treated like heroes and they didn't even win. He erroneously states they never won 7 games. Take it any way that makes you feel good, but Brooks' comments clearly imply that he doesn't consider JLo and Abney his players and he pretty much calls them losers.

The truth is he didn't have to mention Lorenzen or Abney at all. His point would have been much stronger if he had left those guys alone. I don't think anybody on this boardhas anything but great affection and total support for Andre. Keenan. Rafael and all the rest of this year's team.

[RV]

"When I came here, Jared Lorenzen was a folk hero. Derek Abney was," Brooks said. "Well, Keenan Burton and Rafael Little and (UK linebacker Wesley) Woodyard are doing everything those guys did. And winning games. They've won seven games in a season. (Lorenzen and Abney) never did that."

Once again it just shows what yourchosen angle is by what you read into a simple 'off the cuff' statement. It's not like it was a scripted speech, besides no context is given nor is the question or comment posed to illicet the response. Battle lines are drawn and folks are going to believe what they choose to believe. It's that simple really.

[Stretch]

Anybody who construes these Brooks comments (assuming the quote is accurate which is always in doubt) to be a "cheap shot" at Abney and Lorenzen is just looking for an excuse to criticize Brooks at the height of one of the better seasons (and coaching jobs IMO) in UK football history.

[Gunsmoke]

:shock:WOW! This board has come unglued and is a house divided! Where is the fun? Why all the negativity and stress? Hell it ain't much fun to be here at this time. I hope we kick yewtee's tail and then some of the crap will stop. But I have already read where some will not let it go then. Take a deep cleansing breath..

[UK78ALUM]

Take a deep cleansing breath

http://www.concentration.org/klumphra1.JPG


Ommmmmmm............:P

[gerntz]

johnkyblue wrote: I never understood the hero worship directed to JLo, like Coach Brooks. Woodson has done so much better this year than JL ever did.

Dave, I'm sorry, but I don't hear the lovey dovey things I heard about JL about Woodson. Somebody explained it to me as racism, and I'm grasping at straws.
Your comment about JLo here, jb, is one of the few dumb things I've heard you say about FB. Just who has ever bounced off AW? Just whom has AW run over? Just when has AW had to fight a weight issue & answer that question over & over? And JL wins an arm strength contest hands down.

So when somebody explained the difference as racism, did you begin to buy it, even a bit?

[Levi]

CatsSaintsFan wrote: bleedbluelady wrote: How in the world did what Brooks said translate into putting down Jared and Abney?:?:? I sure didn't take it that way.
He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way

Wellhe is not! He is saying that these current players deserve as much love as we gave the Pilsbury-throw-boy and white lightning.

BTW they do!

[Tbird]

gerntz wrote: johnkyblue wrote: I never understood the hero worship directed to JLo, like Coach Brooks. Woodson has done so much better this year than JL ever did.

Dave, I'm sorry, but I don't hear the lovey dovey things I heard about JL about Woodson. Somebody explained it to me as racism, and I'm grasping at straws.
Your comment about JLo here, jb, is one of the few dumb things I've heard you say about FB. Just who has ever bounced off AW? Just whom has AW run over? Just when has AW had to fight a weight issue & answer that question over & over? And JL wins an arm strength contest hands down.

So when somebody explained the difference as racism, did you begin to buy it, even a bit?



My issue is the comment on racism specifically. This isa great example of how this crap gets started. I especially like the part of throwing it out there loosely by saying "somebody explained it to me as racism". If you really believe it and want to state it, that's your choice, otherwise don't attempt to turn the thread into something really ugly.

[Tbird]

RV wrote: "When I came here, Jared Lorenzen was a folk hero. Derek Abney was," Brooks said. "Well, Keenan Burton and Rafael Little and (UK linebacker Wesley) Woodyard are doing everything those guys did. And winning games. They've won seven games in a season. (Lorenzen and Abney) never did that."

Once again it just shows what yourchosen angle is by what you read into a simple 'off the cuff' statement. It's not like it was a scripted speech, besides no context is given nor is the question or comment posed to illicet the response. Battle lines are drawn and folks are going to believe what they choose to believe. It's that simple really.


Exactly RV! You can read some other threads about Brooks where exactly the same thing happens. Lots of he said, she said, no context or background and personal interpretation of quotes and folks are off and running. People either support Brooks or don't and then look for every opportunity to support their case, whether factual or not.

Theissue I have with people not supporting Brooks is when they state that they still support the TEAM! Coach Brooks is part of the TEAM. He is the Head Coach. How do you think that the players would respond if you told them face to face that you support them, but not their coach? How would they feel about you as a fan?

I agree that Coach Brooks needs to continue to build the program and show improvement. One season doesn't make a career but, this is a GREAT YEAR for Kentucky football and our players. Let's enjoy it and put everything into it and win a bowl game! Fans do play a big part in a programs success andthe team needs us.

GO CATS!

[Gunsmoke]

UK78ALUM wrote: Take a deep cleansing breath

http://www.concentration.org/klumphra1.JPG


Ommmmmmm............:P


Dave I love you man! (Can I have your Budlight) You always crack me up!:lol:

PS - I took up golfing in my old age and would love to play 18 with you next year. Keep this old gunslinger in mind.

[johnkyblue]

gerntz wrote: So when somebody explained the difference as racism, did you begin to buy it, even a bit?
I don't understand it, so as I said, it's completely grasping at straws. Tell the truth I think it has a lot more to do with Hudson than anything.

[kevinlw1974]

UK78ALUM wrote: Proof?

If I ever needed more proof that Brooks is an utter ***, this is it.

When I came here, Jared Lorenzen was a folk hero. Derek Abney was," Brooks said. "Well, Keenan Burton and Rafael Little and (UK linebacker Wesley) Woodyard are doing everything those guys did.

Our current players are great, no doubt. But you aren't going to win the hearts and minds of the fans by putting down two of the most popular players to ever wear the blue and white. And let's be clear, that's the backhanded compliment being paid here.

As to folk heroes, Jerry Claiborne leads the way there, and you may win more games than he did. But Rich, you have no fears of ever joining him. Folk heroes aren't easily displaced.

Also, when you shoot your mouth off coach, try to have your facts straight:

"When I came here, Jared Lorenzen was a folk hero. Derek Abney was," Brooks said. "Well, Keenan Burton and Rafael Little and (UK linebacker Wesley) Woodyard are doing everything those guys did. And winning games. They've won seven games in a season. (Lorenzen and Abney) never did that."

Of course, if we're playing by media rules, the UK coach earned a correction there. Abney and Lorenzen were standouts on the 2002 UK team that did win seven -- and would have won eight had Kentucky knocked down that (in)famous LSU Hail Mary.

Whoops........

Sigh....well, at least Kerri comes by it naturally.:?





I don't think he is being an ***. I think he is right. His point wasn't to put down those guys, but to say that this current group deserves credit for what they have accomplished. It is sad the fan base hasn't fallen behind this kids. They are out there busting their asses and want to win for us. They want to establish a solid program. How can you not love them?

[poodoo]

TrueblueCATfan wrote: Brian McCat wrote: CatsSaintsFan wrote: He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way

I didn't take it that way at all.

JL and DA have undoubted cult status, and he wants to see "his guys" get the same kind of attention. Makes sense to me.

we have a winner...........exactly why Brooks is upset over the attendance....we had huge crowds at Commonwealth while Jared and Derek played and he wants the same for these players..........andI for one think they deserve it.....

EXACTLY. Some will refuse to believe how much Coach Brooks LOVES his players (and that is indeed a part of why they so respect and support him, as they KNOW he is all about the TEAM and not himself, assomeone posted).Coach Brooks STOOD UP for the current players, and I love that he did that (although he did make a mistake about the number of victories). Some(and not everyone who responded negatively about his comment) indeed dislike Coach Brooks to the extent of taking everything he says in a negative way.

Andre Woodson LEADS the SEC in passing yardage and is seventh in the nation. He is NOT getting the attention (or seats in the stands that he deserves). Rafael Little, Keenan Burton, Wesley Woodyard, and Dicky Lyons, Jr. are a few others who also deserve much more attention from the media AND much more appreciation from the fans (cheering for them in Commonwealth.

It seem logical to me that Coach Brooks was not meaning to put down Jared in any way, as he has said that he LOVES Jared Lorenzen, and FWIW, Jared has also said that he LOVES Coach Brooks (and I heard that from Jared's mom herself besides from Jared's quotes to the media). They are good examples, though, of the adulation that these CURRENT players deserve and are NOT getting, partly because of some fans' dislike of Coach Brooks, and I suspect Coach Brooks feels that some of the media's dislike of him has played a part in the lack of attention given to these players that were not here before Brooks' arrival.

:thumbdownto Story's column.I will admit, though, that the LHL has not beennearly as negative since the team has been succeeding. Regardless, Brooks is so right thatthe players he mentions deserve MORE APPRECIATION and ATTENTION from the media and UK fans. GO CATS! BEAT UT!

[poodoo]

Levi wrote: CatsSaintsFan wrote: bleedbluelady wrote: How in the world did what Brooks said translate into putting down Jared and Abney?:?:? I sure didn't take it that way.
He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way

Wellhe is not! He is saying that these current players deserve as much love as we gave the Pilsbury-throw-boy and white lightning.

BTW they do!


Exactly. They do deserve as much love, BUT they are most obviously not getting it. All one has to do to realize that is look at the stands AND even at what is written on our own message board.

KUDOS to Woodson, Burton, Little, Woodyard, Lyons, and ALL members of this UK football team, actually. WE LOVE AND APPRECIATE YOU! We UK fans cannot say that enough. GO CATS! BEAT UT!

[gerntz]

JL was a physical curiousity from the day he signed with UK. People around the country were & still are intrigued by him (even though jb isn't.). I believe people came to games just to see him - and I don't mean to home games. I mean how many 2nd string NFL QB's have a YouTube video of themselves running over a NFL LB with his own teamates laughing like hell at it?

And Abney merely set still standing NCAA return records. Burton is a better WR, but he hasn't set any records to my knowledge.

Finally, these two had been doing this for a couple of seasons when RB showed up. AW has just become a star this year & KB has been hurt a lot before this season. When they have another great season & aren't revered, then maybe someone has a point.

[CatsSaintsFan]

Art Vandelay wrote: Doug Hardin wrote: CatsSaintsFan wrote: bleedbluelady wrote: How in the world did what Brooks said translate into putting down Jared and Abney?:?:? I sure didn't take it that way.
He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way
I didn't read it that way. I read it like, "Jared and Derek became heroes for what they did. Andre, Keenan, and Rafael have done as much as Jared and Derek. Therefore, Andre, Keenan, and Rafael should be viewed as heroes as well." I didn't see anything negative directed at any former players.
To construe it in such a positive manner you have to ingnore the part where he said they were treated like heroes and they didn't even win. He erroneously states they never won 7 games. Take it any way that makes you feel good, but Brooks' comments clearly imply that he doesn't consider JLo and Abney his players and he pretty much calls them losers.

The truth is he didn't have to mention Lorenzen or Abney at all. His point would have been much stronger if he had left those guys alone. I don't think anybody on this boardhas anything but great affection and total support for Andre. Keenan. Rafael and all the rest of this year's team.


+1 That was exactly how I took it.

[CatsSaintsFan]

Levi wrote: CatsSaintsFan wrote: bleedbluelady wrote: How in the world did what Brooks said translate into putting down Jared and Abney?:?:? I sure didn't take it that way.
He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way

Wellhe is not! He is saying that these current players deserve as much love as we gave the Pilsbury-throw-boy and white lightning.

BTW they do!


How do you know that's what he meant? You talk to him. I said "I took it that way.' It's my friggin opinion. Don;t tell me that is not what he meant like it's fact unless you can back it up as fact.

BTW, I agree that this team deserves that same adoration and that Brooks deserves credit for this season.

[Levi]

CatsSaintsFan wrote: Levi wrote: CatsSaintsFan wrote: bleedbluelady wrote: How in the world did what Brooks said translate into putting down Jared and Abney?:?:? I sure didn't take it that way.
He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way

Wellhe is not! He is saying that these current players deserve as much love as we gave the Pilsbury-throw-boy and white lightning.

BTW they do!


How do you know that's what he meant? You talk to him. I said "I took it that way.' It's my friggin opinion. Don;t tell me that is not what he meant like it's fact unless you can back it up as fact.

BTW, I agree that this team deserves that same adoration and that Brooks deserves credit for this season.


Well my opinion is you're opinion is ill-considered.

You are the one saying Brooks is alleging something. I think Brooks is a straight shooter and doesn't have the inclination or time to allege something about past players, but he will make time to show some love for his players today.

In other words Brooks is talking about the absence of respect shown to these players today that have had to fight through the repercussions of things that happened before they even got here. You are saying he is making time to disrespect former players. Do you really think he is that stupid? Do you really think this man that has accomplished much in his life and is respected by former players and coaches all over the country is so simple minded as to concern himself with such rediculous BS?

BTW I think Brooks deserves credit for putting up with some fans since the day he took this nearly thankless job.

[Art Vandelay]

Levi wrote: CatsSaintsFan wrote: Levi wrote: CatsSaintsFan wrote: bleedbluelady wrote: How in the world did what Brooks said translate into putting down Jared and Abney?:?:? I sure didn't take it that way.
He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way

Wellhe is not! He is saying that these current players deserve as much love as we gave the Pilsbury-throw-boy and white lightning.

BTW they do!


How do you know that's what he meant? You talk to him. I said "I took it that way.' It's my friggin opinion. Don;t tell me that is not what he meant like it's fact unless you can back it up as fact.

BTW, I agree that this team deserves that same adoration and that Brooks deserves credit for this season.


Well my opinion is you're opinion is ill-considered.

You are the one saying Brooks is alleging something. I think Brooks is a straight shooter and doesn't have the inclination or time to allege something about past players, but he will make time to show some love for his players today.

In other words Brooks is talking about the absence of respect shown to these players today that have had to fight through the repercussions of things that happened before they even got here. You are saying he is making time to disrespect former players. Do you really think he is that stupid? Do you really think this man that has accomplished much in his life and is respected by former players and coaches all over the country is so simple minded as to concern himself with such rediculous BS?

BTW I think Brooks deserves credit for putting up with some fans since the day he took this nearly thankless job.

I have yet to figure out how anybody can believe coaching a kids game in exchange for 3/4 of a million dollars a year is a thankless job. My old high school janitor, Virgil Carmichael, had a thankless job. Rich Brooks does not.

[Mountain Cat]

gerntz wrote: JL was a physical curiousity from the day he signed with UK. People around the country were & still are intrigued by him (even though jb isn't.). I believe people came to games just to see him - and I don't mean to home games. I mean how many 2nd string NFL QB's have a YouTube video of themselves running over a NFL LB with his own teamates laughing like hell at it?

And Abney merely set still standing NCAA return records. Burton is a better WR, but he hasn't set any records to my knowledge.

Finally, these two had been doing this for a couple of seasons when RB showed up. AW has just become a star this year & KB has been hurt a lot before this season. When they have another great season & aren't revered, then maybe someone has a point.


Exactly! Could not have said it better.

I love the players we have now, and I do believe that AW, Little and KB all have the potential to become KY legends.

Have some patience Brooks, before you alienate even more fans that you already have.

[Levi]

Art Vandelay wrote: Levi wrote: CatsSaintsFan wrote: Levi wrote: CatsSaintsFan wrote: bleedbluelady wrote: How in the world did what Brooks said translate into putting down Jared and Abney?:?:? I sure didn't take it that way.
He was alleging that they didn't earn their folk hero status with wins the way this group has. At least I took it that way

Wellhe is not! He is saying that these current players deserve as much love as we gave the Pilsbury-throw-boy and white lightning.

BTW they do!


How do you know that's what he meant? You talk to him. I said "I took it that way.' It's my friggin opinion. Don;t tell me that is not what he meant like it's fact unless you can back it up as fact.

BTW, I agree that this team deserves that same adoration and that Brooks deserves credit for this season.


Well my opinion is you're opinion is ill-considered.

You are the one saying Brooks is alleging something. I think Brooks is a straight shooter and doesn't have the inclination or time to allege something about past players, but he will make time to show some love for his players today.

In other words Brooks is talking about the absence of respect shown to these players today that have had to fight through the repercussions of things that happened before they even got here. You are saying he is making time to disrespect former players. Do you really think he is that stupid? Do you really think this man that has accomplished much in his life and is respected by former players and coaches all over the country is so simple minded as to concern himself with such rediculous BS?

BTW I think Brooks deserves credit for putting up with some fans since the day he took this nearly thankless job.

I have yet to figure out how anybody can believe coaching a kids game in exchange for 3/4 of a million dollars a year is a thankless job. My old high school janitor, Virgil Carmichael, had a thankless job. Rich Brooks does not.


Obviously that wasn't enough thanks for Guy Morris.