Kinda worried about a center

[matt colvin]

We've all placed an enormous amount of emphasis on landing a PF, but....this is Morris's junior season. I'm assuming that he'll be back next year, but then we are without a solid center. Just something to think about.

[cbc317]

matt colvin wrote: We've all placed an enormous amount of emphasis on landing a PF, but....this is Morris's junior season. I'm assuming that he'll be back next year, but then we are without a solid center. Just something to think about.
Hey, we got that Williams kid out of where ever???? Isn't he like 7 foot? You don't believe he is the answer? What about Carter?

Ha, all kidding aside, this is just another installment of Tubby's recruiting, or lack of it. There is something about him, his style of play, or personality that just doesn't click with the big-time recruits...Tubby fans will say this class of recruits are great, and while I agree that Meeks, Jasper and Stevenson are GOOD, they are not Brandan Wright, Thad Young, or Durrant...We just can't seem to get a "difference maker"

In today's world of college athletics, you have to be attractive as a college, program, and staff. Tubby,hisprogram,and his staffapparantelyaren't all that attractive...

[ukbob]

We know nothing of Williams so putting him down is not prudent, IMO. He may be a good prospect.

But we do need a backup at the post should Carter not pan out...which is not a given at all since he hasn't played enough to make that kind of judgement.

I was disappointed in our dropping Barnes from our recruiting. While not high rated, he was good enough to give us help at the 4 and 5 positions next year.

Bottom line...if Morris leaves...we are screwed....UNLESS we get a real haul in Patterson and Moses. I just don't see it happening, but I am wrong more than right, so we shall see.

[cbc317]

ukbob wrote: We know nothing of Williams so putting him down is not prudent, IMO. He may be a good prospect.

But we do need a backup at the post should Carter not pan out...which is not a given at all since he hasn't played enough to make that kind of judgement.

I was disappointed in our dropping Barnes from our recruiting. While not high rated, he was good enough to give us help at the 4 and 5 positions next year.

Bottom line...if Morris leaves...we are screwed....UNLESS we get a real haul in Patterson and Moses. I just don't see it happening, but I am wrong more than right, so we shall see.

Hey Bob, I wasn't meaning to disrespect Williams nor Carter? My comments were soaked in sacarism and were more a poke at Tubby's recruiting rather than the individual players

However, that being said,I don't belive either is the difference maker type of recruit...ifWilliams is, we would know a great deal more about him....

Nonetheless, I concur with your bottom line....Morris is our only offensive threat in the low post and if he were to leave or get hurt, it could get real ugly.

[DCWildcat]

Stating that Tubby simply does not "click" with top players is quite an exaggeration, in my opinion. In nine years, Tubby has gotten the following centers (rankings reflect their overall rank in the country):

RCSI #31 overall Jules Camara (1998)

#5 overall Marvin Stone (99)

#42 overall Jason Parker (2000)

#48 overall Shagari Alleyne (2003)

#10 overall Randolph Morris (2004)

t88 overall Jared Carter (2005)



So to me, the issue isn't getting the top talent--there was some big talent in there--it's getting it consistently, and when we need it.

[cbc317]

DCWildcat wrote: Stating that Tubby simply does not "click" with top players is quite an exaggeration, in my opinion. In nine years, Tubby has gotten the following centers (rankings reflect their overall rank in the country):

RCSI #31 overall Jules Camara (1998)

#5 overall Marvin Stone (99)

#42 overall Jason Parker (2000)

#48 overall Shagari Alleyne (2003)

#10 overall Randolph Morris (2004)

t88 overall Jared Carter (2005)



So to me, the issue isn't getting the top talent--there was some big talent in there--it's getting it consistently, and when we need it.

My point is that none of those players are really difference makers, aside from maybe Morris. My point is we used to be pulling in players that were top 10-20, not in the 50-80 range. This year, in a year where we desperately needed a big PF or C and we had unlimited playing time available, we couldn't get our main targets of Young, Wright, or Thompson? Prior year we struck out also.

You can throw these rankings in front of me all day, but I sat there on Tuesday night and watched this team score 14 points in the first 14 minutes. While I know style of play is only a little piece of the puzzle, it means more to today's player because they want to play in a system that will showcase them. If you asked me as a recruit right now if I wanted to play Roy Williams style or Tubby Smiths Style, it would be a no doubter....I think Tyler Hansborough, Brandan Wright, and Dion Thompson agreed with me to some extent.....

I like Tubby. He is a very nice guy. He does a lot of nice things, but he isn't pulling the big fish? We are a program without anywhere near the talent of Duke, UNC, UCLA, Kansas, Ohio State, Florida, and many more. And the fact that we are 20-12 in our past 32 supports that fact.

[ukbob]

cbc317 wrote: DCWildcat wrote: Stating that Tubby simply does not "click" with top players is quite an exaggeration, in my opinion. In nine years, Tubby has gotten the following centers (rankings reflect their overall rank in the country):

RCSI #31 overall Jules Camara (1998)

#5 overall Marvin Stone (99)

#42 overall Jason Parker (2000)

#48 overall Shagari Alleyne (2003)

#10 overall Randolph Morris (2004)

t88 overall Jared Carter (2005)



So to me, the issue isn't getting the top talent--there was some big talent in there--it's getting it consistently, and when we need it.

My point is that none of those players are really difference makers, aside from maybe Morris. My point is we used to be pulling in players that were top 10-20, not in the 50-80 range. This year, in a year where we desperately needed a big PF or C and we had unlimited playing time available, we couldn't get our main targets of Young, Wright, or Thompson? Prior year we struck out also.

You can throw these rankings in front of me all day, but I sat there on Tuesday night and watched this team score 14 points in the first 14 minutes. While I know style of play is only a little piece of the puzzle, it means more to today's player because they want to play in a system that will showcase them. If you asked me as a recruit right now if I wanted to play Roy Williams style or Tubby Smiths Style, it would be a no doubter....I think Tyler Hansborough, Brandan Wright, and Dion Thompson agreed with me to some extent.....

I like Tubby. He is a very nice guy. He does a lot of nice things, but he isn't pulling the big fish? We are a program without anywhere near the talent of Duke, UNC, UCLA, Kansas, Ohio State, Florida, and many more. And the fact that we are 20-12 in our past 32 supports that fact.


We did NOT need a center this year and did not recruit one. We DID need and still need a PF. We got Stevenson but we need more.

There are tons more SFs and PFs available than centers. And just by saying a PF is big enough to play the 5 may not cut it. Many do not want to play the center position in college and may decide against you if you tell them they are going to play it.

Quite frankly, the center position is the hardest to fill with super quality players. There are just not that many. Williams is rated #76 overall which is not too bad.

[DCWildcat]

cbc317 wrote: DCWildcat wrote: Stating that Tubby simply does not "click" with top players is quite an exaggeration, in my opinion. In nine years, Tubby has gotten the following centers (rankings reflect their overall rank in the country):

RCSI #31 overall Jules Camara (1998)

#5 overall Marvin Stone (99)

#42 overall Jason Parker (2000)

#48 overall Shagari Alleyne (2003)

#10 overall Randolph Morris (2004)

t88 overall Jared Carter (2005)



So to me, the issue isn't getting the top talent--there was some big talent in there--it's getting it consistently, and when we need it.

My point is that none of those players are really difference makers, aside from maybe Morris. My point is we used to be pulling in players that were top 10-20, not in the 50-80 range. This year, in a year where we desperately needed a big PF or C and we had unlimited playing time available, we couldn't get our main targets of Young, Wright, or Thompson? Prior year we struck out also.

You can throw these rankings in front of me all day, but I sat there on Tuesday night and watched this team score 14 points in the first 14 minutes. While I know style of play is only a little piece of the puzzle, it means more to today's player because they want to play in a system that will showcase them. If you asked me as a recruit right now if I wanted to play Roy Williams style or Tubby Smiths Style, it would be a no doubter....I think Tyler Hansborough, Brandan Wright, and Dion Thompson agreed with me to some extent.....

I like Tubby. He is a very nice guy. He does a lot of nice things, but he isn't pulling the big fish? We are a program without anywhere near the talent of Duke, UNC, UCLA, Kansas, Ohio State, Florida, and many more. And the fact that we are 20-12 in our past 32 supports that fact.

No need to go on the observation/Tubby record stats. I simply replied that the "he doesn't click with top recruits" thing is an exaggeration, this was never about how we played on Tuesday night, or Tubby's style of play, or North Carolina. Even though I agree with those points, by and large.

[hoosierhateruklover]

im not just kinda worried about a center...im kinda worried about recruiting period!