We don't have the answers, but neither does Tubby.

[delkfor3]

I was going to let this go, but the more I think about, the moreit bothers me that Tubby, just doesn't have the answers either. During his post game comments, Tom Leach asked him, where the teamgoes from here, his answer was "I don't know where to go to". He's the one guy who should know! That comment bothered me all day long.:(

[UKhoov]

He needs to go to the film room and watch the first half again. Then figure out how to go "there" from here on out.

[wildcat74]

delkfor3 wrote: I was going to let this go, but the more I think about, the moreit bothers me that Tubby, just doesn't have the answers either. During his post game comments, Tom Leach asked him, where the teamgoes from here, his answer was "I don't know where to go to". He's the one guy who should know! That comment bothered me all day long.:(
He's got the answers. He's just to stubborn to put them into practice.

[delkfor3]

wildcat74 wrote: delkfor3 wrote: I was going to let this go, but the more I think about, the moreit bothers me that Tubby, just doesn't have the answers either. During his post game comments, Tom Leach asked him, where the teamgoes from here, his answer was "I don't know where to go to". He's the one guy who should know! That comment bothered me all day long.:(
He's got the answers. He's just to stubborn to put them into practice.
He's being paid to have the answers, and he is being paid quite well. When we were at our best last night, we were running up and down the floor, when the wheels came off, we were walking up and down the floor. Tubby did what Tubby always does, when something is working, he changes it.:shrug:

[blueheretic]

"If something works, fix it 'til it don't." Orlando Smith

[katfever]

While I see what you are saying, I do not put much emphasis on post game press conferences. To be fair, after a bitter loss, he was probably just wanting to get the hell out of there.

[Wildcat97]

blueheretic wrote: "If something works, fix it 'til it don't." Orlando Smith
Sadly, this is EXACTLY what I saw happen vs GA.

[Madiblue]

How about rewarding the defense with a little Offense??, it is flat embarrassing that we dont run an inbounds underneath play that works! By that something that remotely attacks the basket--Secondly lets do something to open our wings up! we cannot even reversethe ball--the 3-2 offensive set isnt working, we go on runs but hardly ever put a team away, 13 points in the age of today isnt a demoralizing lead, reward our defense with offense,I am frustrated with how predictable we are, they adjusted we didnt, somebody needs to light a fire under their tails or it could get UGLY before it gets better! Thank goodness it is still January, lots of time to right the ship, I only hope the schedule allows us to.

[Art Vandelay]

Well, to borrow yet another Tubby quote, "[He} don't nothin' about nothin'."

[ukwebfan]

Maybe or until he said he would run the physical drills at practice. I assume that's when they try to finish shots near the basket while a guy beats on them with a pad.

wildcat74 wrote: delkfor3 wrote: I was going to let this go, but the more I think about, the moreit bothers me that Tubby, just doesn't have the answers either. During his post game comments, Tom Leach asked him, where the teamgoes from here, his answer was "I don't know where to go to". He's the one guy who should know! That comment bothered me all day long.:(
He's got the answers. He's just to stubborn to put them into practice.

[ukcatfan]

Then take a buy out and get the hell out so that we can hire someone that can fix it.

[UKcat]

ukcatfan wrote: Then take a buy out and get the hell out so that we can hire someone that can fix it.
I'll drink to that! Sad part is, that we would actually have to buy him out; can't we just show him the door and let him get out on his own :>

[KapitalCat]

One of Tubby's biggest problems is his inability to communicate well in front of a microphone. It's painful to listen to one of his press conferences whether it be after a loss or a win. I t hink Tubby knows the deal he just has a hard time expressing himself, at times.

[ukbob]

It amazes me how many fans think Tubby Smith is just stupid.

He has enough faultswithoutnit picking over statements made immediately following a brutal loss. Anyone who doesn't know by now that he sometimes says things in these interviews that are confusing, raise your hand. Heck, it has only been 9 years.

He knows how to fix it. He just does not have the tools to do it and he knows it.

And before the Mr. Obvious crowd chimes in....yes and that is his fault.

Tubby Smith is smart like a fox with a keen basketball mind. He is just an exceptionally bad recruiter and manager. Now does he know this? That is the question.

[Madiblue]

you andI totally agree on your statement, couldn't have said it better! it does seem that there is quite a few proverbial "Dead Horses" on here lately!

[Art Vandelay]

ukbob wrote: It amazes me how many fans think Tubby Smith is just stupid.

He has enough faultswithoutnit picking over statements made immediately following a brutal loss. Anyone who doesn't know by now that he sometimes says things in these interviews that are confusing, raise your hand. Heck, it has only been 9 years.

He knows how to fix it. He just does not have the tools to do it and he knows it.

And before the Mr. Obvious crowd chimes in....yes and that is his fault.

Tubby Smith is smart like a fox with a keen basketball mind. He is just an exceptionally bad recruiter and manager. Now does he know this? That is the question.

I agree Bob, I know Tubby isn't stupid, but I really believe his problems go beyond his inability to recruit and manage the program. I have often given Tubby credit for being a good bench coach, but he has been badly outcoached several times this year. The last two games are the most recent examples.

At this point I can't agree that Tubby is "smart like a fox with a keen basketball mind." Someone with those attributes would adapt to his circumstances a little better and would certainly seek ways to improve. Tubby just seems stubborn at this point.

[RP_McMurphy]

He is paid millions of dollars a year to fix problems in his team and program. Yet he freely admits he doesn't have the answers. Can we fly Donald Trump to Lexington?

[Rockober]

RP_McMurphy wrote: He is paid millions of dollars a year to fix problems in his team and program. Yet he freely admits he doesn't have the answers. Can we fly Donald Trump to Lexington?
You would probably bitch about Trump's hair.:lol:

[BigblueDrew]

I have little doubt that Coach Smith will come up with a plan. The question is wether anything he can do can take this team where people want it to be. I don't think he, or anyone else for that matter, can. We lack talent in critical areas, and have MANY of the same crippling weaknesses we had last year. I am going to try and enjoy whatever wins we can achieve for the rest of the season. This club is NOT talented enough to win the SEC or go deep in the NCAA Tourney. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy the rest of the season. We are what we are and I'm going to try to take my pleasures with UK basketball where I can. Number 8 most likely aint going up this year and theres nothing I the fans or Tubby can do about it.I for one am going to TRY to stop whining about our coach in the fervent hopes that somebody (Dr. Todd most likely) will address that issue at the appropriate time(hopefully AS SOON as the season ends.I may or may not be successful at this.

[RP_McMurphy]

No I wouldn't cause the Donald brings it strong.

Rockober wrote:
RP_McMurphy wrote: He is paid millions of dollars a year to fix problems in his team and program. Yet he freely admits he doesn't have the answers. Can we fly Donald Trump to Lexington?
You would probably bitch about Trump's hair.:lol:

[delkfor3]

ukbob wrote: It amazes me how many fans think Tubby Smith is just stupid.



Bob, I never said he was stupid, I know better. But you don't get on the radio and admit that you don't know how to fix the problem. When the question was asked, he should have said something like "we'll work on it", but don't say "I don't know".

[ukbob]

delkfor3 wrote: ukbob wrote: It amazes me how many fans think Tubby Smith is just stupid.



Bob, I never said he was stupid, I know better. But you don't get on the radio and admit that you don't know how to fix the problem. When the question was asked, he should have said something like "we'll work on it", but don't say "I don't know".

I know you don't think it and I wasn't really referring to you.

His answer was strictly a "caught in the moment" answer and obviously one full of frustration. I definitely know he will work on it but I just don't think he has the horses to do what he wants. I really don't. And I think he know it as well. Sure doesn't make me feel better, but this is where we are.

One game at a time for this team. There will be more bad losses most likely. It is unclear how many good wins we will mix in there though. These last 10 games are aginst and average RPI rank of 37 or so, and that is a bunch of good teams there. We need to win our share or we will be on the outside looking in.

Just my opinion.

Beat UT and then move on to the next.

[audacious1]

What amazes me is that so many fans think coaching is a simple feat. Do "X" and you get "Y" results. But any time you deal with human beings who have so many variables and different motivations, it's not a simple formula. Yet we treat a coach like, "For the love of Pete, if you'd just done "X" we'd have won the game!" It's not that simple and people who've coached, even kids league's, know there is a lot more to it.

As to complete disclosure, I agree with many on here with what I saw in the Georgia game that if it were me:

a) I would've taken Morris out after the 2nd foul

b) I would have given Porter, Stevenson (maybe but I don't think so Coury) more PT after the good contributions they gave in the 1st half

c) I would rarely leave Bradley in to just run the Point.

d) I wouldn'trun the Motion Set nearly as often as Tubby does.

but the keyhere is that, thereis a mountain of information that we don't have--from player personalities, to last-minute minor injuries, to practice results, and more.

[Terry L. Wildcat]

ukbob wrote: It amazes me how many fans think Tubby Smith is just stupid.

He has enough faultswithoutnit picking over statements made immediately following a brutal loss. Anyone who doesn't know by now that he sometimes says things in these interviews that are confusing, raise your hand. Heck, it has only been 9 years.

He knows how to fix it. He just does not have the tools to do it and he knows it.

And before the Mr. Obvious crowd chimes in....yes and that is his fault.

Tubby Smith is smart like a fox with a keen basketball mind. He is just an exceptionally bad recruiter and manager. Now does he know this? That is the question.

and I don't see Coach Smith getting any better as a recruiter and it has caught up to us big time...and it hurts me to type this.

[poodoo]

and I don't see Coach Smith getting any better as a recruiter and it has caught up to us big time...and it hurts me to type this. QUOTE by Terry Wildcat

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I know it does hurt you to type that, Terry. Too, Tubby said something else in his comments after the game. He mentioned that we were really having some problems at the power forward position. Yes, we have had two recruiting years out of four that have been largely lacking. However, add one of those top power forwards to this team and see what a team we have. One Brandon Wright, for instance, would make this team REALLY GOOD.

I agree that the recruiting lapses have caught up with us. I still have faith, though, that this team can develop and improve as the season progresses, although I'm not as sure that it will develop to the point we would like. Let's hope Tubby finally gets two back-to-back strong recruiting classes. That is sorely needed. I have not yet given up. We'll see.

[Mark Blueblood]

Rockober wrote: RP_McMurphy wrote: He is paid millions of dollars a year to fix problems in his team and program. Yet he freely admits he doesn't have the answers. Can we fly Donald Trump to Lexington?
You would probably bitch about Trump's hair.:lol:
I flat out guarantee you he would bitch about something/everything.

[UK78ALUM]

What amazes me is that so many fans think coaching is a simple feat. Do "X" and you get "Y" results. But any time you deal with human beings who have so many variables and different motivations, it's not a simple formula. Yet we treat a coach like, "For the love of Pete, if you'd just done "X" we'd have won the game!" It's not that simple and people who've coached, even kids league's, know there is a lot more to it.

Hmmm. Well, to paraphrase slightly.......

What amazes me is that so many fans think coaching is somehow a unique occupation. In fact, Do "X" and you get "Y" results is true in coaching - just like any business plan, marketing campaign, etc., designed by any executive team, regardless of what the enterprise is. It's called "management" for a reason. And any time you deal with human beings, they all have many variables and different motivations regardless of their jobs, and while it's not a simple formula, it's still the same underlying principles of leadership and management. Yet we treat a coach like, "well, you had a good year four years ago, and we aren't in last place this year, so here's a raise". For the love of Pete, can you imagine if coaches had to deliver annually based on a real business scenario? It's not that simple, but people who coached are paid incredibly large sums of money to figure it out, hire the right staff, manage the team, and (every now and then) deliver the required results, now aren't they?

[UK78ALUM]

Let's hope Tubby finally gets two back-to-back strong recruiting classes.

Yes. And I think the rest of that sentence should be

Let's hope Tubby finally gets two back-to-back strong recruiting classes......that then live up to their potential.

[UK78ALUM]

UK78ALUM wrote: What amazes me is that so many fans think coaching is a simple feat. Do "X" and you get "Y" results. But any time you deal with human beings who have so many variables and different motivations, it's not a simple formula. Yet we treat a coach like, "For the love of Pete, if you'd just done "X" we'd have won the game!" It's not that simple and people who've coached, even kids league's, know there is a lot more to it.

Hmmm. Well, to paraphrase slightly.......

What amazes me is that so many fans think coaching is somehow a unique occupation. In fact, Do "X" and you get "Y" results is true in coaching - just like any business plan, marketing campaign, etc., designed by any executive team, regardless of what the enterprise is. It's called "management" for a reason. And any time you deal with human beings, they all have many variables and different motivations regardless of their jobs, and while it's not a simple formula, it's still the same underlying principles of leadership and management. Yet we treat a coach like, "well, you had a good year four years ago, and we aren't in last place this year, so here's a raise". For the love of Pete, can you imagine if coaches had to deliver annually based on a real business scenario? It's not that simple, but people who coached are paid incredibly large sums of money to figure it out, hire the right staff, manage the team, and (every now and then) deliver the required results, now aren't they?

Now I'm replying to myself !! :D

But I find it telling that no one apparently wants to comment on the amount of time given coaches to deliver (or not) and the amount they are paid during that time. I still think the combination of those two elements makes it an easier job than that of a simialr executive in the real world.

[blueheretic]

If you actually expect Tubby Smith to earn his 2 million dollars, someone (tre Pryor or one of the other Tubbites)will jump on here and tell you that you hate Tubby Smith. You must hate him. You expect him to actually earn those millions. They were supposed to be his free ride for that '98 run that Pitino half laid out for him and that Tubby can not reproduce because he can't recruit or be consistent. But don't listen to me. Ask Tre, I hate Tubby. He gets it. And he seems to want to speak for all UK fans and say that everyone else gets it as well. Just ask him. He knows and he is he expert on Tubby hate. Just ask him.

You see. Tubby Smith isn't actually expected to earn that salary each year. If you expect him to actually earn that paycheck, you are a "'what have you done for me lately'" type of fan. Just ask Bob. Tubby seems like a "what have you done for me lately" kind of coach since he demanded that contract. But that's ok for the coaches. The fans are expected to pay for tickets and SHUT THE EFF UP!!! Let him win another Championship. I guarantee that he will demand a salary increase and extension. But we don't have to worry about that. I doubt that Tubby will win another championship. Hell, I'll even put money on it. I'll put 1,000 dollars on the line that Tubby nevermakes anotherFinal Four at UK.

I don't get it myself. It is an extraordinary thing. I need a job where I can earn millions and only be expected to actually earn my pay 2/3rds of the time. What a life! Man. I am envious of Tubby. Those horrible expectations that come with earning a 2 or 3 million dollar pay out that he demanded. Some would say that he "expected" to be paid those high end dollar amounts because of those expectations. But now. Suddenly. He is above being "expected" to actually keep Kentucky in the top 10 of teams even though Kentucky is keeping him in the Top 10 of Coaches pay.

I find that interesting.

Now Tre Pryor will tell me that I hate Tubby. Oh well....I guess Tubby had it put in his contract that all UK fans will love him and place him and his compensation/employment above the program. Oh yeah, we have to keep his buddies employed as well. Even though they bring absolutely nothing to the table. Well, they do something don't they. I think Hanson is in charge of shower schedules. Rigot is in charge of locker room paint drying schedules. Hobbs is the guy who takes care of carrying Tubby's stare to the game. He keeps it in a special container so that it is readily available for any and all in game occasions. Such as when the offense gets too hot. Tubby can then reach out. Grab the stare and kill offensiive output in a micron.

Yes, Tre, I know. I hate Tubby. I must. I actually expect him to earn his multi-million dollar paycheck. Top 5 pay for Top 5 College Basketballl. But that's way too much to ask. We get it.

[Cincy110]

WOW - I thought UK actually WON their last game by 20 points.

And for the record - I'm with Tre, you do hate Tubby.

[blueheretic]

Cincy110 wrote: WOW - I thought UK actually WON their last game by 20 points.

And for the record - I'm with Tre, you do hate Tubby.


Yeay!!! You must be like Bush. You can read peoples hearts. Woo hoo....stupidity is awesome.

[blueheretic]

It's called perspective. Hate? Over basketball. What? Are we two years old and in Romper Room?

Come on. You guys kill me. Anyone who can even fathom the idea of hatred over college basketball is a sick and twisted and oddly perverted mind. Any children missing in your neighborhood.

Go to Afghanistan and live with some folks in a mud hovel. Then talk to me about hate over basketball. See a little girl starving to death because her parents can not afford bare necessities in Cambodia. Give her a few dollars knowing that some scum bag mafioso type is just gonna take it away.

Perspective. It's a neat thing.

This stupidity is one of the reasons that I can't stand being in America or talking to my fellow Americans. If you can actually imagine someone hating another soul over college basketball, you are hopelessly out of touch with the realities of this world.

I'm just asking but do you guys hate me because you think that I don't give Tubby enough respect. You probably do. If you can imagine hatred over basketball, you can probably sink to murder over trivial nonsense as well. Being back in America and seeing people post this nonsense, I can understand how people can kill over religion and such. You guys seem like you would kill over your loyalty to Tubby Smith.

YEAY!!!

I'm a bit scared. I better lay off before I get some cement shoes and a one way trip to the bottom of the river from you guys.

Ooh ooh ooh......what the ..... ever.........

I have instructed my friends and family to search out you two if I am murdered.

[surveyor]

delkfor3 wrote:Bob, I never said he was stupid, I know better. But you don't get on the radio and admit that you don't know how to fix the problem. When the question was asked, he should have said something like "we'll work on it", but don't say "I don't know".
No.

The problem is, Tubby is damned regardless of what he says.

I guaranteee had he said "We'll work on it." There'd be just as much carping and hand wringing:

We'll work on it?!? Hell, YOU'VE been working on it for 9 years!!! It's time to git yer *** outta de're, Tubbah!!

[Rockober]

blueheretic wrote: It's called perspective. Hate? Over basketball. What? Are we two years old and in Romper Room?

Come on. You guys kill me. Anyone who can even fathom the idea of hatred over college basketball is a sick and twisted and oddly perverted mind. Any children missing in your neighborhood.

Go to Afghanistan and live with some folks in a mud hovel. Then talk to me about hate over basketball. See a little girl starving to death because her parents can not afford bare necessities in Cambodia. Give her a few dollars knowing that some scum bag mafioso type is just gonna take it away.

Perspective. It's a neat thing.

This stupidity is one of the reasons that I can't stand being in America or talking to my fellow Americans. If you can actually imagine someone hating another soul over college basketball, you are hopelessly out of touch with the realities of this world.

I'm just asking but do you guys hate me because you think that I don't give Tubby enough respect. You probably do. If you can imagine hatred over basketball, you can probably sink to murder over trivial nonsense as well. Being back in America and seeing people post this nonsense, I can understand how people can kill over religion and such. You guys seem like you would kill over your loyalty to Tubby Smith.

YEAY!!!

I'm a bit scared. I better lay off before I get some cement shoes and a one way trip to the bottom of the river from you guys.

Ooh ooh ooh......what the ..... ever.........

I have instructed my friends and family to search out you two if I am murdered.



Lighten up Francis:lol:

[Will Lavender]

blueheretic wrote: This stupidity is one of the reasons that I can't stand being in America or talking to my fellow Americans.



If you can imagine hatred over basketball, you can probably sink to murder over trivial nonsense as well. Being back in America and seeing people post this nonsense, I can understand how people can kill over religion and such. You guys seem like you would kill over your loyalty to Tubby Smith.


Easy, Dave! :shock::ggrin:

[Cincy110]

Why would anyone want to go to Afgahnastan? If America is so bad, then leave.

[RaleighCat]

Cincy110 wrote: Why would anyone want to go to Afgahnastan? If America is so bad, then leave.
It's called "serving your country" and your country's interests. Ease up on Dave. Argue with his stance on Tubby if you'd like. You're getting too close to questioning his patriotism. Not cool.

[Cincy110]

Patriotism or not, it was his CHOICE to serve. It is my CHOICE to not serve. So don't tell me to go to Afghanastan or Cambodia or compare my thoughts to that of Bush or compare me to the wack jobs that kill for their religion. This isn't a political forum, I CHOOSE not to get involved with them for a reason.

Keep your political thoughts to the political boards and none of us will have to see them unless we CHOOSE to go over there. If you have such wonderful perspective, you would think that of all people, YOU would be the one that wouldn't take such offense to YOUR Team.

[PsychoCat]

This thread is done!!

*And as a reminder, any political comments need to be kept in the political forum