Where we stand

[catfan043]

There is tons of post on here with the same argument when there is actually one true answer forall of it I believe. This post is not pro or anti tubby, but Kentucky Basketball.

There are currently two ways for this team to go

Option A

We get everything turned around and finish strong in the SEC and make a great run in March, which I feel this team is very capable of doing if they get it together

Option B

The team continues to head down the wrong road and we hit 10+ losses, weak finish in the sec, and short timers in the NCAA.

If OptionA takes place then it basically gets the program back together and re-establishes some respect that we may or may not have lost. This swing will put us back in the right direction and back on our march to the top.

But if Option B takes place then I feel like the athletic department will sit down and evaluate the situation and make the proper changes to help get us going in theright direction.

But like the description said It will work itself out, I dont know which route the team will take,hopefully routeA cause it will be a quicker rebuild then hiring a new staff and makingall of those changes will take, but if thats what it comes tothen whatever is best for the program.

[Rockober]

I say we need to buy Tubby a Garin GPS;).

[catfan043]

Nobody can change my mind that Tubby was a proven success up until last year, now he has himself in a hole, and whether or not he can get himself out of it is on his shoulders, and i feel like his job is at stake because of it as well.

[Will Lavender]

Catfan043, I absolutely agree.

I'm confident that, if this year isn't a "success" by UK standards, Tubby will be gone next year.

In fact, I would wager quite a bit of money on it.

But I'm still going to root like hell for this team. I've got UT tickets, Florida tickets, SEC Tournament tickets. I hope these guys can turn it around.

If not, changes will be made.

What are we going to do about it either way? I'm just a guy in a house on a street with a few barking dogs. Might as well enjoy myself while watching my team and not worry about the future until it's upon us.

[catfan043]

That was exactly the point i was trying to get across Will ;)

[Wildcat_Fan98]

well, guys we know this team is young..and i hope this was a test to them mentally and we can learn from that..

[UFWildcat]

Will Lavender wrote: Catfan043, I absolutely agree.

I'm confident that, if this year isn't a "success" by UK standards, Tubby will be gone next year.

In fact, I would wager quite a bit of money on it.

But I'm still going to root like hell for this team. I've got UT tickets, Florida tickets, SEC Tournament tickets. I hope these guys can turn it around.

If not, changes will be made.

What are we going to do about it either way? I'm just a guy in a house on a street with a few barking dogs. Might as well enjoy myself while watching my team and not worry about the future until it's upon us.

Thats the mentality you have to have. We are fans. Nothing more. You can only root for your team one way. All the way.

I sat through this same situation with the exit of Ron Zook from Florida. The Gator Nation was calling for his head and when the final straw broke (loss against Miss. St.) the Zooker was gone. My brother just went through it also at Florida St. The boosters bought out Bowden Jr. and they couldnt be happier.

Bumps come along during the road, they just need to be ironed out.

[matt57]

i keep hearing "we're young". how can a team with 3 seniors, 3 juniors, and 4 frosh be young???? we have 6 upperclassmen. our problem is that we get nothing out of the senior class.

[ukjp72]

catfan043 wrote: Option A

We get everything turned around and finish strong in the SEC and make a great run in March, which I feel this team is very capable of doing if they get it together




If we have the coach that we paid for doing his job right, then option A is a possibility. We've already seen moments of brilliance from our team, but i place emphasis on the term "moments".

I've never bashed on Tubby on a board before, and i hope that this post is not considered bashing, but this season is his to lose for us, not the players. They've already shown us what they can do when the gears mesh just right. Its up to Tubby now to show us why we pay him so much.


And i agree withWill........Failure in the season will bring changes.

[bleedblue79]

I have to agree with you guys. I have absolutely no control over what happens with this team, so I am not going to worry about it. I have been through many up and downseasons before and it will not make me change my fanatical love of UK Basketball. I am an alum and a fan but I don't have a lot of money or clout so I choose to support my team by cheering for them every single game. When they lose I am sad but I will be ready to cheer the next game and the one after that until the season is over.

GO BIG BLUE!!!

[blueheretic]

it will work its self out


I'm sure that the fans of Doherty were saying this as well.

I say shut it down. If UKAA doesn't want to be the best, we shouldn't dishonor the memory of Adolph Rupp by putting out teams like last year and this year.

Close it down. The party's over when people defend this kind of output at UK Basketball.

[UK7titles]

"If UKAA doesn't want to be the best, we shouldn't dishonor the memory of Adolph Rupp by putting out teams like last year and this year."

thats probably the stupidest thing i've ever read on here, and thats saying something. last year was terrible, no doubt. but this years team is pretty good. its not great, and due to lack of front court depth its not going to be great. but its still a good team, if you can't accept and enjoy it...maybe you need another hobby.

[Stucat]

UK7titles wrote: "If UKAA doesn't want to be the best, we shouldn't dishonor the memory of Adolph Rupp by putting out teams like last year and this year."

thats probably the stupidest thing i've ever read on here, and thats saying something. last year was terrible, no doubt. but this years team is pretty good. its not great, and due to lack of front court depth its not going to be great. but its still a good team, if you can't accept and enjoy it...maybe you need another hobby.


On the "Cats Pause" on WKYT-Channel 27 with Rob Bromely Tubby told Rob this team was NOT a Top 25 team. At least not yet. He said that he hoped by the end of the season that this team would be a Top 25 team and a contender in the NCAA tournament but as of right now that we were not a Top 25 team. I think Tubby probably knows this team better than any of us on this message board so I will believe what he said. We are not a Top 25 team and that makes me feel better than to think that we are not reaching our potential. Tubby also said that they needed to to be toughened up and that they were too easily intiminidated by some other teams. Again I take Tubby's word for it. So yes we are a good team but great team or Top 25 team not according to Tubby and I am sorry if this"rankles anyfeathers" but Tubby said it and I believe him.:shrug:

[blueheretic]

UK7titles wrote: "If UKAA doesn't want to be the best, we shouldn't dishonor the memory of Adolph Rupp by putting out teams like last year and this year."

thats probably the stupidest thing i've ever read on here, and thats saying something. last year was terrible, no doubt. but this years team is pretty good. its not great, and due to lack of front court depth its not going to be great. but its still a good team, if you can't accept and enjoy it...maybe you need another hobby.


Actually, I'm just being smart. I think most of this crap is hilarious. Tubby isn't getting it done and people still worship him and defend him.

[Art Vandelay]

Wildcat_Fan98 wrote: well, guys we know this team is young..and i hope this was a test to them mentally and we can learn from that..This team's starting lineup consists, most nights, of a senior and three juniors with two seniors logging lots of time off the bench. That's not a young team.

[KapitalCat]

I think you're right. I don't even know if there is a middle of the road to all this. I think option B is likely and we'll see if Tubby will accept changes from MB.

[audacious1]

blueheretic wrote: UK7titles wrote: "If UKAA doesn't want to be the best, we shouldn't dishonor the memory of Adolph Rupp by putting out teams like last year and this year."

thats probably the stupidest thing i've ever read on here, and thats saying something. last year was terrible, no doubt. but this years team is pretty good. its not great, and due to lack of front court depth its not going to be great. but its still a good team, if you can't accept and enjoy it...maybe you need another hobby.

Actually, I'm just being smart. I think most of this crap is hilarious. Tubby isn't getting it done and people still worship him and defend him.
Want to know why people defend Tubby? Because he's the coach ofour favorite team. That's what fans do.

Now the "worship" part, that's hyperbole and you know it. No one, at least that I've read, "worships" Tubby. He's a top-tier coach whose teamhad a bad season last year and is working hard to have a better season this year.

[Will Lavender]

blueheretic wrote: UK7titles wrote: "If UKAA doesn't want to be the best, we shouldn't dishonor the memory of Adolph Rupp by putting out teams like last year and this year."

thats probably the stupidest thing i've ever read on here, and thats saying something. last year was terrible, no doubt. but this years team is pretty good. its not great, and due to lack of front court depth its not going to be great. but its still a good team, if you can't accept and enjoy it...maybe you need another hobby.


Actually, I'm just being smart. I think most of this crap is hilarious. Tubby isn't getting it done and people still worship him and defend him.
What?

Looks to me like a lot of folks are upset with Tubby. Where's the "worship" you speak of?

[Morehead Wildcat]

Stucat wrote: UK7titles wrote:

Tubby also said that they needed to to be toughened up and that they were too easily intiminidated by some other teams.

I believe this could be a very true statement. And part of the reason why we let the Georgia game slip away. If these cats could straighten this problem out I think they are well on their way.

[Will Lavender]

Morehead Wildcat wrote: Stucat wrote: UK7titles wrote:

Tubby also said that they needed to to be toughened up and that they were too easily intiminidated by some other teams.

I believe this could be a very true statement. And part of the reason why we let the Georgia game slip away. If these cats could straighten this problem out I think they are well on their way.

This is a HUGE problem with this year's -- and last year's -- team.

It's what I'm calling the Rashad Carruth Syndrome.

Tubby, post-Carruth, has tried to recruit nice, soft-spoken kids. (You look all across our line-up: we've got kids who speak softly and play softly: they don't thump their chests, they don't celebrate that often. Ramel Bradley is the exception, obviously, but even Ramel plays fairly reserved most of the time.)

It's my feeling that we're too...nice.

And nice teams, like nice guys, finish last.

I've been waiting for the guy who's going to take it personally when another team starts to punch us in the mouth like Georgia did Wednesday. When Michael Porter got knocked over on that play on the sideline, he should've gotten up and got right in Dave Bliss's face. When some of these teams start setting those hard screens out top, we just take it.

We're way too quiet. These kids need to start making noise and start playing with that proverbial chip on their shoulders.

Problem is, I don't think they can play that way. I don't think they've got it in 'em.

[Rockober]

Will Lavender wrote: blueheretic wrote: UK7titles wrote: "If UKAA doesn't want to be the best, we shouldn't dishonor the memory of Adolph Rupp by putting out teams like last year and this year."

thats probably the stupidest thing i've ever read on here, and thats saying something. last year was terrible, no doubt. but this years team is pretty good. its not great, and due to lack of front court depth its not going to be great. but its still a good team, if you can't accept and enjoy it...maybe you need another hobby.


Actually, I'm just being smart. I think most of this crap is hilarious. Tubby isn't getting it done and people still worship him and defend him.
What?

Looks to me like a lot of folks are upset with Tubby. Where's the "worship" you speak of?







Supporting and worshiping are two different terms. You can spin this all you want Blue, but what I see is support not worship from most people on this board.

If Tubby ends up losing most of the games down the stretch and it's time for a change, I will welcome it. Until then, I am going to support the team and the coach. Supporting the team and coach does not mean you have to agree with the resultsor even what they are doing.

Its laughable that anybody that wants to be positive has to be lumped in the Tubbite category or Tubby worshiper group. We all have blue tinted glasses on and just can't see the whole picture?The Tubby bashers have so much more perspective?

I'm ticked off about the way the season has gone. But I never give up on anything and I will be damned if I am going to start with this UK team. Right now, I would say this team will probably lose second round of tourney, possibly first. That does not make me very happy.Thinking of that pisses me off.This team also may make it to the Sweet 16, or .......... They can make a run but this team has to improve greatly from what I have seen so far.

Maybe you are correct and its time for a change. The results mean another disappointing season andI really do not see much celebration in that but possibly a new direction. Changes will occur after the season based on results down the stretch. I hope they are great results but I also see some that may take pleasure in a nose dive because they just want change.

Go Cats! Go Big Blue!

[blueheretic]

Will Lavender wrote: blueheretic wrote: UK7titles wrote: "If UKAA doesn't want to be the best, we shouldn't dishonor the memory of Adolph Rupp by putting out teams like last year and this year."

thats probably the stupidest thing i've ever read on here, and thats saying something. last year was terrible, no doubt. but this years team is pretty good. its not great, and due to lack of front court depth its not going to be great. but its still a good team, if you can't accept and enjoy it...maybe you need another hobby.


Actually, I'm just being smart. I think most of this crap is hilarious. Tubby isn't getting it done and people still worship him and defend him.
What?

Looks to me like a lot of folks are upset with Tubby. Where's the "worship" you speak of?


Still lots of ratianalization and excuses rolling around. You can't call people out or they wine like babies so I can't type the names. But one of them rolled like you and uses his real name.

[blueheretic]

Rockober wrote: Maybe you are correct and its time for a change. The results mean another disappointing season andI really do not see much celebration in that but possibly a new direction. Changes will occur after the season based on results down the stretch. I hope they are great results but I also see some that may take pleasure in a nose dive because they just want change.

Go Cats! Go Big Blue!


I'll take pleasure in one of two things:

1. Tubby turns things around and starts to act like he realizes that this is UK and not UGA or Tulsa.

2. Tubby goes because for whatever reason he doesn't have what it takes to turn things around.

With or without the guy, UK should be on top of the world not the middle of the pack.

UK should be Top 10 to Top 15 year in and year out and have a reasonable chance for high success. Like the year of Hawkins and Bogans. Too many bad things happen under Tubby.

Ten years removed from the the NCAA and Tubby is notin the Top 25 and is so far removed from being a contender that it's a joke.

This is what Tubby has spent the last ten years building. A JOKE.

This is the fruit of his work for the past ten years. What has he been doing? Golfing...he certainly can't be the great coach that people claim he is or he would have produced a winner. He has spent his considerable skill building a bottom 50 team.

2.5 million a year for this. The guy should be embarassed. I know I am.

[Will Lavender]

blueheretic wrote: Rockober wrote: Maybe you are correct and its time for a change. The results mean another disappointing season andI really do not see much celebration in that but possibly a new direction. Changes will occur after the season based on results down the stretch. I hope they are great results but I also see some that may take pleasure in a nose dive because they just want change.

Go Cats! Go Big Blue!


I'll take pleasure in one of two things:

1. Tubby turns things around and starts to act like he realizes that this is UK and not UGA or Tulsa.

2. Tubby goes because for whatever reason he doesn't have what it takes to turn things around.

With or without the guy, UK should be on top of the world not the middle of the pack.

UK should be Top 10 to Top 15 year in and year out and have a reasonable chance for high success. Like the year of Hawkins and Bogans. Too many bad things happen under Tubby.

Ten years removed from the the NCAA and Tubby is notin the Top 25 and is so far removed from being a contender that it's a joke.

This is what Tubby has spent the last ten years building. A JOKE.

This is the fruit of his work for the past ten years. What has he been doing? Golfing...he certainly can't be the great coach that people claim he is or he would have produced a winner. He has spent his considerable skill building a bottom 50 team.

2.5 million a year for this. The guy should be embarassed. I know I am.

Bottom 50 of what?

[UFWildcat]

I'm glad you mentioned something about that Porter play. First off, I disagreed with the call but when he got knocked over into the other teams bench area he just kind of laid there and took it. The ref ran right over to him and pointed his way that the ball was out on him. I was sitting on my coach and was full of rage and emotion and if I'm feeling those emotions why isn't Porter getting up and standing his ground. That was a microcosm on how the second half would go. You have to stick up for yourself. I felt sorry for him.

[Houstoncat]

Wildcat_Fan98 wrote: well, guys we know this team is young..and i hope this was a test to them mentally and we can learn from that..
due respect...this team is not young it starts three juniors and a senoir along with a freshman. Those juniors are from the so called no. 1 recruiting class of a couple of years ago. Futher another senior gets significant playing time. Four of our starters have had significant playing time in the last two years. Historically this type of class at Kentucky would have been pressing for the final four and in their senoir year would have been a favorite. All that aside, please don't dictate this a young team.

[UKfaninCO]

Houstoncat wrote: Wildcat_Fan98 wrote: well, guys we know this team is young..and i hope this was a test to them mentally and we can learn from that..
due respect...this team is not young it starts three juniors and a senoir along with a freshman. Those juniors are from the so called no. 1 recruiting class of a couple of years ago. Futher another senior gets significant playing time. Four of our starters have had significant playing time in the last two years. Historically this type of class at Kentucky would have been pressing for the final four and in their senoir year would have been a favorite. All that aside, please don't dictate this a young team.

This is one of those in-between teams. While, technically, we aren't "young", we need too much from our freshmen to say we are not young. The gaps created by Tubby's recruiting failures have placed a burden on the freshmen that they aren't quite ready for. They are coming along nicely and will be really good for us, but they do the things that freshmen do. They make mistakes, play inconsistently, get lost on defense, make stupid passes, etc. They will learn. Unfortunately, we still need them to play significant minutes. So we sort of are a young team in that we need a lot from our freshmen.

[Will Lavender]

UKfaninCO wrote: Houstoncat wrote: Wildcat_Fan98 wrote: well, guys we know this team is young..and i hope this was a test to them mentally and we can learn from that..
due respect...this team is not young it starts three juniors and a senoir along with a freshman. Those juniors are from the so called no. 1 recruiting class of a couple of years ago. Futher another senior gets significant playing time. Four of our starters have had significant playing time in the last two years. Historically this type of class at Kentucky would have been pressing for the final four and in their senoir year would have been a favorite. All that aside, please don't dictate this a young team.

This is one of those in-between teams. While, technically, we aren't "young", we need too much from our freshmen to say we are not young. The gaps created by Tubby's recruiting failures have placed a burden on the freshmen that they aren't quite ready for. They are coming along nicely and will be really good for us, but they do the things that freshmen do. They make mistakes, play inconsistently, get lost on defense, make stupid passes, etc. They will learn. Unfortunately, we still need them to play significant minutes. So we sort of are a young team in that we need a lot from our freshmen.

I agree.

One thing that hurts us is our lack of a sophomore class.

Let me say that again so that a reader of this post can gauge the ridiculousness of it: we do not have a sophomore class.

So while we may be young -- and I think we are in some respects -- our youth shouldn't be a factor because we should have at least a couple of sophomores who could get a few minutes when the freshmen are struggling.

That's just, once again, poor recruiting.

[blueheretic]

Will Lavender wrote: blueheretic wrote: Rockober wrote: Maybe you are correct and its time for a change. The results mean another disappointing season andI really do not see much celebration in that but possibly a new direction. Changes will occur after the season based on results down the stretch. I hope they are great results but I also see some that may take pleasure in a nose dive because they just want change.

Go Cats! Go Big Blue!


I'll take pleasure in one of two things:

1. Tubby turns things around and starts to act like he realizes that this is UK and not UGA or Tulsa.

2. Tubby goes because for whatever reason he doesn't have what it takes to turn things around.

With or without the guy, UK should be on top of the world not the middle of the pack.

UK should be Top 10 to Top 15 year in and year out and have a reasonable chance for high success. Like the year of Hawkins and Bogans. Too many bad things happen under Tubby.

Ten years removed from the the NCAA and Tubby is notin the Top 25 and is so far removed from being a contender that it's a joke.

This is what Tubby has spent the last ten years building. A JOKE.

This is the fruit of his work for the past ten years. What has he been doing? Golfing...he certainly can't be the great coach that people claim he is or he would have produced a winner. He has spent his considerable skill building a bottom 50 team.

2.5 million a year for this. The guy should be embarassed. I know I am.

Bottom 50 of what?


I reckon that should be bottom of the top 50. Yeah, Iknow. Not true. But not far removed. No PP, Moses and Morris in the NBA next year. Be lucky to be top 100 next year.

The University of Tulsa in Kentucky. That must be Tubby's goal.

[katfever]

Where we stand? If the we is the UK basketball program, it is a shell of the program Tubby took over 10 years ago. We stand nowhere- in the middle of the desert of mediocre basketball. UK is a stale afterthought on the college basketball scene. Not only is his staff clueless on effective recruiting, Tubby's bench coaching the last two years has regressed. It is a disgrace Tubby has put this once proud program in the position it is in the last 2 years. I also do not buy this bs about UK could be worse off if Tubby leaves. So you never make a change? Let him stay here 4ever because of the unknown? PURE FOLLY. Get a decent coach with some assistants who can recruit and UK is back in business. Florida's AD had the balls to make a change in football- but Mitch will not. Tubby must leave on his own and if he flames out again this year, I hope he is man enough to do it.

[poodoo]

blueheretic wrote: Will Lavender wrote: blueheretic wrote:


Looks to me like a lot of folks are upset with Tubby. Where's the "worship" you speak of?


Still lots of ratianalization and excuses rolling around. You can't call people out or they wine like babies so I can't type the names. But one of them rolled like you and uses his real name.



Then some of us tend to see both the good and the bad. We agree with criticism we think is fair and defend when we think the criticism is unfair, backing the comments with evidence to the contrary.

Calling people out shouldn't occur, by the way, and, thankfully, for the most part it doesn't occur on this fine site. We should be able to respect dissenting opinions, as I see it. Too, what one sees as excuses, another may see as possible reasons. It's only differing opinions.

In regard to any whining, I happen to be one who doesn't care for whining and complaining, period. Although I don't ever comment on it, I see some of the extreme criticism and negativity here as "whining like babies." I guess it's all about perspective.

Like Will, I just don't see the Tubby worship you see. Perhaps some see no weaknesses in Tubby, but I think those are few and far between. There are many of us who have concerns, but still have faith and arenot convinced that Tubby must go.

Surely all of usdo not like where we currentlystand, though. Most of all, I think essentially all of us (including you, Iknow):)want UK tobegin another winning streak Sunday.:)GO CATS!

[poodoo]

Will Lavender wrote: Morehead Wildcat wrote: Stucat wrote: UK7titles wrote:

Tubby also said that they needed to to be toughened up and that they were too easily intiminidated by some other teams.

I believe this could be a very true statement. And part of the reason why we let the Georgia game slip away. If these cats could straighten this problem out I think they are well on their way.

This is a HUGE problem with this year's -- and last year's -- team.

It's what I'm calling the Rashad Carruth Syndrome.

Tubby, post-Carruth, has tried to recruit nice, soft-spoken kids. (You look all across our line-up: we've got kids who speak softly and play softly: they don't thump their chests, they don't celebrate that often. Ramel Bradley is the exception, obviously, but even Ramel plays fairly reserved most of the time.)

It's my feeling that we're too...nice.

And nice teams, like nice guys, finish last.

I've been waiting for the guy who's going to take it personally when another team starts to punch us in the mouth like Georgia did Wednesday. When Michael Porter got knocked over on that play on the sideline, he should've gotten up and got right in Dave Bliss's face. When some of these teams start setting those hard screens out top, we just take it.

We're way too quiet. These kids need to start making noise and start playing with that proverbial chip on their shoulders.

Problem is, I don't think they can play that way. I don't think they've got it in 'em.

Will, I expressed the same concern to Mr. Poodoo the morning after the loss to Georgia. Tubby mentioned the lack of toughness. I, too, think it is currently a problem for this team. Yes, I miss Jamal Magloire.

[audacious1]

blueheretic wrote: Will Lavender wrote: blueheretic wrote: UK7titles wrote: "If UKAA doesn't want to be the best, we shouldn't dishonor the memory of Adolph Rupp by putting out teams like last year and this year."

thats probably the stupidest thing i've ever read on here, and thats saying something. last year was terrible, no doubt. but this years team is pretty good. its not great, and due to lack of front court depth its not going to be great. but its still a good team, if you can't accept and enjoy it...maybe you need another hobby.


Actually, I'm just being smart. I think most of this crap is hilarious. Tubby isn't getting it done and people still worship him and defend him.
What?

Looks to me like a lot of folks are upset with Tubby. Where's the "worship" you speak of?
Still lots of ratianalization and excuses rolling around. You can't call people out or they wine like babies so I can't type the names. But one of them rolled like you and uses his real name.

You just can't stand that I won't sit still and let you push your mindless, negative crap on every thread you see. Back to the thread... where's the "worship" BH? Can you show even a single example?

I thought not.