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My GYAADA

02-05-2007, 09:48 AM

Mark it down, the dookies aregoing to lose four in a row and maybe more. They will get blown out byUNC and then lose toMaryland in College Park. Then they haveBC on the road and GA Tech at home. They are about to getexposed in a way themedia hordecannothide. They can't beat the mid-level ACCteams at home let alone on the road. Their next two ACC road games are every bit as toughas the two they have already lost. They will be no better than 8-8 andcouldeasily finish the ACC at 7-9 and be on the bubble. Although dUKe has been overranked all season long, UKwill get a betterseed than dUKe. In fact, thedookies have only one more sure win on their schedule and that is not a conference game. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that they wide up with aseed in the Not Invited Tournament. If I were a trader, I'd be selling my Duke stock now.

Sell Winthorp,Sell!!!:lol:

RP_McMurphy

02-05-2007, 10:03 AM

Hmmmmmm can I root for Roy Williams and Coach K to have a throw down? That would be interesting which one would break out the tears first and ask for a TO.

Wildcatcrazy11

02-05-2007, 01:03 PM

In the whole scheme of things, I'd rather see duke lose to a team they should lose to in UNC, than for UNC to lose one measely game. In the big picture UNC winning one game will do very little in passing up UK in all time victories. If they pass us up (gasp) it will be attributed to a lot more than all the games they've won against dook combined.

Who cares... id rather see dUKie got stomped on.

I. Melvin

02-05-2007, 01:07 PM

I may hate myself in the morning, but I hope UNC humiliates them.

LutherCat

02-05-2007, 10:16 PM

I would definitely rather see UNC lose to Duke. But, I think we will see Duke lose three in a row before we see the Tar Holes lose two in a row this season. The main problem I have with the game is that it will pre-empt the return of Lost on Wednesday night.

I just hope that Ol' Roy does one of his Kansas-style flameouts in the second round of the NCAA tourney just so I can say "I told you so!" to all my co-workers.

ukwebfan

02-05-2007, 10:24 PM

Gotta find one for Bill Guthridge. There's this Leslie Neilsen looking guy on FoxNews.
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How can you go against Dean, Vanilla Ice Doherty, and Huckleberry Williams?

Rockober

02-05-2007, 10:33 PM

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How can you go against Dean, Vanilla Ice Doherty, and Huckleberry Williams?

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My apologies for leaving out Bill "Dick Cheney" Gutheridge!

Terry L. Wildcat

02-06-2007, 12:06 AM

:cool::thumbdownNone of the above.

BigblueDrew

02-06-2007, 12:36 AM

My GYAADA wrote: Mark it down, the dookies aregoing to lose four in a row and maybe more. They will get blown out byUNC and then lose toMaryland in College Park. Then they haveBC on the road and GA Tech at home. They are about to getexposed in a way themedia hordecannothide. They can't beat the mid-level ACCteams at home let alone on the road. Their next two ACC road games are every bit as toughas the two they have already lost. They will be no better than 8-8 andcouldeasily finish the ACC at 7-9 and be on the bubble. Although dUKe has been overranked all season long, UKwill get a betterseed than dUKe. In fact, thedookies have only one more sure win on their schedule and that is not a conference game. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that they wide up with aseed in the Not Invited Tournament. If I were a trader, I'd be selling my Duke stock now.

Sell Winthorp,Sell!!!:lol:

Duke WILL NOT be a bubble yeam even if they go 7-9 in the ACC. Simply will not happen , they get in the tourney regardless. To much media power and money behind them.

Gunsmoke

02-06-2007, 07:34 AM

It would seem to me to come down to the lesser of two evils..therefore, dUKe will lose and lose big. They flat out suck.

CaliUKFan

02-06-2007, 08:17 AM

blueheretic

02-06-2007, 08:26 AM

cdrw wrote: In another thread, a poster expressed hope that Duke would suffer a third loss in a row (this time to UNC.)

Why? We have the distinct all-time win record, and only UNC is close to challenging that. Don't we want them to not win? Duke's winning would not challenge us in any way.

This Duke hatred is an odd thing.

In regards to this, I don't wish for a UNC loss. I desire for many, many UK victories. This is a primaryreason thatI can not stand double digit loss seasons. If UK takes care of business, there is no need to wish ill on any other program. (AreU listening Tubby?)

In sofar as who shouldwin this game, Ihave no desire to ever see CoachK and the mighty ESPNDuke propaganda machine claim one victory from now until the end of time.Duke was just as lilly white in 1966. Yet, they get a pass. Duke and Coach K cheat or at the very least turns a blind eye to it's boosters actions on it's behalf which amounts to the same.Duke gets a NCAA Golden Pass on everything because of K.

The only bigger cheater in the history of College Ball would be John Wooden followed by Harrick and Tarkanian.

The4 Horsemen of the NCAA Apocalypse. Harrick, Tark the Shark,Saint John, and Coach (F**)K. Thegreatest cheaters in the history of the NCAA.One of them got away with it. One of themmakes a mockery of the NCAAeven now.

CaliUKFan

02-06-2007, 09:35 AM

blueheretic wrote: cdrw wrote: In another thread, a poster expressed hope that Duke would suffer a third loss in a row (this time to UNC.)

Why? We have the distinct all-time win record, and only UNC is close to challenging that. Don't we want them to not win? Duke's winning would not challenge us in any way.

This Duke hatred is an odd thing.

In regards to this, I don't wish for a UNC loss. I desire for many, many UK victories. This is a primaryreason thatI can not stand double digit loss seasons. If UK takes care of business, there is no need to wish ill on any other program. (AreU listening Tubby?)

In sofar as who shouldwin this game, Ihave no desire to ever see CoachK and the mighty ESPNDuke propaganda machine claim one victory from now until the end of time.Duke was just as lilly white in 1966. Yet, they get a pass. Duke and Coach K cheat or at the very least turns a blind eye to it's boosters actions on it's behalf which amounts to the same.Duke gets a NCAA Golden Pass on everything because of K.

The only bigger cheater in the history of College Ball would be John Wooden followed by Harrick and Tarkanian.

The4 Horsemen of the NCAA Apocalypse. Harrick, Tark the Shark,Saint John, and Coach (F**)K. Thegreatest cheaters in the history of the NCAA.One of them got away with it. One of themmakes a mockery of the NCAAeven now.

"In sofar as who shouldwin this game, Ihave no desire to ever see CoachK and the mighty ESPNDuke propaganda machine claim one victory from now until the end of time.Duke was just as lilly white in 1966. Yet, they get a pass. Duke and Coach K cheat or at the very least turns a blind eye to it's boosters actions on it's behalf which amounts to the same.Duke gets a NCAA Golden Pass on everything because of K."

well put

Instead of acknowledging the fact that Dook is a mediocre team this season (typically overrated most seasons) the media insists to keep them in the top 25 despite 4 losses to unranked teams (some of those teams didn't get 1 vote).Additionally, thepod system allows them to play their 1st and 2nd round games in North Carolina every year (thus allowing for a "home court advantage" onward to the Sweet 16 every year).

CaliUKFan

02-06-2007, 10:01 AM

In the Jan1 AP Poll Duke was ranked 5. By the Jan 8 poll they dropped 6 spots to 11 after losing to VA Tech who received 0 votes in the Jan 1 AP Poll and only 10 votes in the Jan 8 Poll. The problem here is that the media used presentism and argued that since VA Tech also beat UNC at a later date then Duke shouldn't be penalized (even though they should've beenbecause at the time they beat Richmond and lost to Marshall prior to the Duke game)

Duke then lost to GA Tech who also had 0 votes in both the Jan 1 and Jan 8 polls. GA Tech only had 1 good win since Dec 3 (Georgia at home) and lost to Miami, Vandy, and Clemson. Yet the media once again disregarded GA Tech's struggles as seen by the next poll for Duke.Duke then blewout a Miami team who probably has yet to earn a vote in years and dropped amere3 spots in the poll.

Move foward to the Jan 29 poll. Duke is 8 in the poll and lost to Virginia who earned11 votes in the Jan 22 AP Poll. Duke then lost to Florida St. (2 votes in the Jan 22 poll, 0 votes in the Jan 29 poll) only to drop 8 spots in the most current poll.

In summary, two of these 4 losses were at home to teams that did not earn a single vote leading up to the Duke game.

In my opinion these facts reflect a Duke media bias of which they do not want to kick them out of the top 25 (even though they clearly should not be in the top 25).

KY Native in IN

02-06-2007, 10:57 AM

i think back to that duke/Virginia game and how they just went on and on ad nauseum about how duke and coach k were just the most unbeatable bunch of geniuses that ever hit the court and how coach k never loses...blah blah blah

y'know it's not that i hate duke and UNC because they're so great and unbeatable, etc....it's just what these 2 teams get away with...it's baffling....i do hate it that UNC has a winning record on the CATS though...but to see what these teams get away with....during a game, in the press, the love affair from the press...again, it's just baffling....UCLA for that matter, how wooden has never been and never will be investigated for 10 straight NC's....when everybody knows he's crooked as a dog's hind leg....

but such is life.....

as far as the duke/unc game....i hope the gym floor opens up and swallows both teams and coaching staffs up in one fell swoop...and both teams never to be heard from again...

how's that?

well, maybe that's a LITTLE harsh....

:lol:

audacious1

02-06-2007, 12:12 PM

Art Vandelay wrote: UNC vs. Duke is one of those games where I wish both teams could lose. There's just not a good choice between the two.

I hear you, but I choose to think of these games as a good thing but for sure, one of these teams will get a loss. Yay!

If I were evil, I'd be hoping for some serious injuries as well. :dmad:

audacious1

02-06-2007, 12:14 PM

blueheretic wrote: cdrw wrote: In another thread, a poster expressed hope that Duke would suffer a third loss in a row (this time to UNC.)

Why? We have the distinct all-time win record, and only UNC is close to challenging that. Don't we want them to not win? Duke's winning would not challenge us in any way.

This Duke hatred is an odd thing.

In regards to this, I don't wish for a UNC loss. I desire for many, many UK victories. This is a primaryreason thatI can not stand double digit loss seasons. If UK takes care of business, there is no need to wish ill on any other program. (AreU listening Tubby?)

In sofar as who shouldwin this game, Ihave no desire to ever see CoachK and the mighty ESPNDuke propaganda machine claim one victory from now until the end of time.Duke was just as lilly white in 1966. Yet, they get a pass. Duke and Coach K cheat or at the very least turns a blind eye to it's boosters actions on it's behalf which amounts to the same.Duke gets a NCAA Golden Pass on everything because of K.

The only bigger cheater in the history of College Ball would be John Wooden followed by Harrick and Tarkanian.

The4 Horsemen of the NCAA Apocalypse. Harrick, Tark the Shark,Saint John, and Coach (F**)K. Thegreatest cheaters in the history of the NCAA.One of them got away with it. One of themmakes a mockery of the NCAAeven now.

I've heards comments about UCLA recruiting being questionable under Wooden, but I've never heard that Wooden himself was the cause or even knew about it. The others you cite, I've certainly heard those kinds of comments.

blueheretic

02-06-2007, 01:53 PM

The things that "allegedly" occurred on Saint Johns watch, if true, were blatantly obvious. It's talked about fairly openly now. Walton speaks to these things fairly casually at times on air at NBA games. And I've heard others speak to it.

I find it hard to beleive that coach of Wooden's "character" and who was such a father figure to so many of his players would be that oblivious of the lives of his athletes.

Wooden got away with it. By the time it became an issue, Wooden was already a fixed part of the College Basketball pantheon. He was untouchable.

The exact thing that has happened with Coach K. K is untouchable and can do anything. He could probably pay a recruit out of his own bank account by check and the NCAA would do nothing.

KY Native in IN

02-06-2007, 02:20 PM

blueheretic wrote:
The things that "allegedly" occurred on Saint Johns watch, if true, were blatantly obvious.Â* It's talked about fairly openly now.Â* Walton speaks to these things fairly casually at times on air at NBA games.Â* And I've heard others speak to it.

I find it hard to beleive that coach of Wooden's "character" and who was such a father figure to so many of his players would be that oblivious of the lives of his athletes.

Wooden got away with it.Â* By the time it became an issue, Wooden was already aÂ* fixed part of the College Basketball pantheon.Â* He was untouchable.

The exact thing that has happened with Coach K.Â* K is untouchable and can do anything.Â* He could probably pay a recruit out of his own bank account by check and the NCAA would do nothing.

blueheretic, i agree 100%!!!! coach k could pull out a switchblade and stab a ref and the commentators would say "what a genius, he has such a passion for the game!!!"

here's a previous post from april of last year concerning UCLA...hope it's ok to do this...

"...UCLA players were so well taken care of â€“ far beyond the ground rules of the NCAA â€“ that even players from poor backgrounds never left UCLA prematurely (for pro basketball) during John Wooden's championship years.

"If the UCLA teams of the late 1960s and early 1970s were subjected to the kind of scrutiny (other schools) have been, UCLA would probably have to forfeit about eight national championships and be on probation for the next 100 years.
"I hate to say anything that may hurt UCLA, but I can't be quiet when I see what the NCAA is doing (to other coaches) only because (they have) a reputation for giving a second chance to many black athletes other coaches have branded as troublemakers. The NCAA is working night and day trying to get (them), but no one from the NCAA ever questioned me during my four years at UCLA."

Those quotes come from none other than Bill Walton, maybe the greatest Bruin of them all, in his 1978 book "On the Road with the Portland Trailblazers", which went on to detail how Sam Gilbert, a Los Angeles contractor the feds allege made millions laundering drug money, bought a decade worth of recruits for UCLA.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news;_ylt=AoVrGE2x.Frw1fohWWcLJOQ5nYcB?slug=dw-uclalegacy040206&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Ugly if true....."

check out the article too...

RichieFarmersMustache

02-06-2007, 06:22 PM

Why don't we just put together a team that is as good as Carolina and can compete for a title consistantly rather than celebrate trips to the sweet 16? Then we wouldn't have to worry whether or not UNC is challenging us for the all time wins title, and we might be even be able to beat them head-to-head. Wouldn't that be nice.

.....and for the record I hope UNC beats Duke by 50.

blueheretic

02-06-2007, 06:34 PM

RichieFarmersMustache wrote: Why don't we just put together a team that is as good as Carolina and can compete for a title consistantly rather than celebrate trips to the sweet 16? Then we wouldn't have to worry whether or not UNC is challenging us for the all time wins title, and we might be even be able to beat them head-to-head. Wouldn't that be nice.

.....and for the record I hope UNC beats Duke by 50.

I agree. But be careful. You'll be tagged an "untrue fan" for sentiments such as that. lol Or a legion of doomer or a political commisar of fear, etc

You obviously need a sunshine pump. :ggrin:

POEKLM

02-06-2007, 06:57 PM

blueheretic wrote: The things that "allegedly" occurred on Saint Johns watch, if true, were blatantly obvious. It's talked about fairly openly now. Walton speaks to these things fairly casually at times on air at NBA games. And I've heard others speak to it.

I find it hard to beleive that coach of Wooden's "character" and who was such a father figure to so many of his players would be that oblivious of the lives of his athletes.

Wooden got away with it. By the time it became an issue, Wooden was already a fixed part of the College Basketball pantheon. He was untouchable.

The exact thing that has happened with Coach K. K is untouchable and can do anything. He could probably pay a recruit out of his own bank account by check and the NCAA would do nothing.

Wooden comes across as a nice old man nobody wants to bother or hold accountable whereas UK had Rupp who spoke too plainly and til this day labels us as cheat and racists.

My GYAADA

02-07-2007, 09:37 AM

Bizzarre ritual and the reason they are called Dookies:

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/97/fullj.getty-73186565sl017_florida_state_4_22_43_pm.jpg

DURHAM, NC - FEBRUARY 04: Head coach Mike Krzyzewski of the Duke Blue Devils checks on teammates Josh McRoberts #2 and Greg Paulus #3 as they attempt to drop turds toacknowledge being suchafter being defeated by the Florida State Seminoles 68-67 on February 4, 2007 at Cameron Indoor Stadium in Durham, North Carolina.

catfan043

02-07-2007, 11:05 AM

blueheretic wrote: RichieFarmersMustache wrote: Why don't we just put together a team that is as good as Carolina and can compete for a title consistantly rather than celebrate trips to the sweet 16? Then we wouldn't have to worry whether or not UNC is challenging us for the all time wins title, and we might be even be able to beat them head-to-head. Wouldn't that be nice.

.....and for the record I hope UNC beats Duke by 50.

I agree. But be careful. You'll be tagged an "untrue fan" for sentiments such as that. lol Or a legion of doomer or a political commisar of fear, etc

You obviously need a sunshine pump. :ggrin:

I'm a sunshine pumper and I don't celebrate trips to the sweet 16, but i don't base success on final fours either. Other then 98' we have been national title contenders, and i feel like we are going back in that direction right now also.

catdmd

02-07-2007, 11:51 AM

I prefer UNC. I think there is definitely a media bias which give Duke the edge in rankings numerous times. I also think Roy Williams is a good coach and a nice guy.

blueheretic

02-07-2007, 01:13 PM

'm a sunshine pumper and I don't celebrate trips to the sweet 16, but i don't base success on final fours either. Other then 98' we have been national title contenders, and i feel like we are going back in that direction right now also.

Good for you. I'm sure Will gave you a good deal.

As for the heretic, I celebrate all UK victories and find all losses distasteful. It's a pretty simple breakdown.

Some years there are far too many losses. Some years, there are so few that I am utterly amazed. The goal of every season is that final win. There are levels of success. Some are satisfied with lower levels, others wish that UK would compete at those higher levels more consistently. Not almost compete, but actually compete. There's a huge difference.

Be what you wish to be, it matters little to me. You've nothing to prove to me. Amen.

catfan043

02-07-2007, 05:47 PM

blueheretic wrote: 'm a sunshine pumper and I don't celebrate trips to the sweet 16, but i don't base success on final fours either. Other then 98' we have been national title contenders, and i feel like we are going back in that direction right now also.

Good for you. I'm sure Will gave you a good deal.

As for the heretic, I celebrate all UK victories and find all losses distasteful. It's a pretty simple breakdown.

Some years there are far too many losses. Some years, there are so few that I am utterly amazed. The goal of every season is that final win. There are levels of success. Some are satisfied with lower levels, others wish that UK would compete at those higher levels more consistently. Not almost compete, but actually compete. There's a huge difference.

Be what you wish to be, it matters little to me. You've nothing to prove to me. Amen.

My point was that just because i'm a sunshine pumper doesn't mean i don't have high expectations, it seems like you always state that if your this kind of fan then you settle for less and I don't think thats the case. I agree with what you said, just winning is the most important thing to me also, but win or lose I will always support my team and I guess thats what makes me a sunshine pumper.

blueheretic

02-07-2007, 06:54 PM

catfan043 wrote: but win or lose I will always support my team and I guess thats what makes me a sunshine pumper.
I think that makes you a fan. I guess you think that makes you different than others. I don't.

Everyone else doesn't do this? Or is it that if they don't do it your way then it doesn't count?

What special thing do you do that contributes to the support of YOUR team?

Win or lose, I'm still a fan of the Kentucky Basketball program. I still go to games if I can. As I can do so. I still buy UK gear. I still collect UK memorabilia. I attend fan functions. I attend games. I stay in touch with UK fans around the world. I talk about UK Bball and the others to fellow fans and to other fans of other programs.

The only thing that we do differently is that I do not agree with you about the level of Coach Smiths efforts and talents and I choose to be vocal about it. I do this because I don't see him as having the ability to get UK back to the Elite Level of playing in the Final Four and winning Championship Number 8. I don't believe that Tubby has what it takes to get back to THE GAME.

And in my opinion, he is being paid to do that.

You think it's fine that Tubby is coach. I disagree. I think he hurts the ability of UK to attain the ultimate goal of any top college basketball program.

To you that means that I don't support the team when they lose. To me, it means that I have the big picture in mind and am supporting the improvement of the program. I think that is a higher level of support for the program. I think your way of seeing things hurts the program. You and others say that one should support the coach so long as he is the coach. Would you feel that way if it were UK Basketball in 1987 with Eddie Sutton and you saw the writing on the wall or would you agitate for change.

What makes a person a sunshine pumper is the refusal to see when something bad is occuring. Like those that knew that there was something rotten happening behind the scenes in the Eddie Sutton era and refused to see it or were in a position to do something about it and refused to take action.

Beleive as you will. It matters not to me. But just because you don't see it or refuse to acknowledge it, doesn't mean that I have to ignore it or stay silent.

I don't think that I'm special or unique in these things. I think there are many who feel as I do. I know some do with certainty.

catfan043

02-07-2007, 07:14 PM

blueheretic wrote: catfan043 wrote: but win or lose I will always support my team and I guess thats what makes me a sunshine pumper.
I think that makes you a fan. I guess you think that makes you different than others. I don't.

Everyone else doesn't do this? Or is it that if they don't do it your way then it doesn't count?

What special thing do you do that contributes to the support of YOUR team?

Win or lose, I'm still a fan of the Kentucky Basketball program. I still go to games if I can. As I can do so. I still buy UK gear. I still collect UK memorabilia. I attend fan functions. I attend games. I stay in touch with UK fans around the world. I talk about UK Bball and the others to fellow fans and to other fans of other programs.

The only thing that we do differently is that I do not agree with you about the level of Coach Smiths efforts and talents and I choose to be vocal about it. I do this because I don't see him as having the ability to get UK back to the Elite Level of playing in the Final Four and winning Championship Number 8. I don't believe that Tubby has what it takes to get back to THE GAME.

And in my opinion, he is being paid to do that.

You think it's fine that Tubby is coach. I disagree. I think he hurts the ability of UK to attain the ultimate goal of any top college basketball program.

To you that means that I don't support the team when they lose. To me, it means that I have the big picture in mind and am supporting the improvement of the program. I think that is a higher level of support for the program. I think your way of seeing things hurts the program. You and others say that one should support the coach so long as he is the coach. Would you feel that way if it were UK Basketball in 1987 with Eddie Sutton and you saw the writing on the wall or would you agitate for change.

What makes a person a sunshine pumper is the refusal to see when something bad is occuring. Like those that knew that there was something rotten happening behind the scenes in the Eddie Sutton era and refused to see it or were in a position to do something about it and refused to take action.

Beleive as you will. It matters not to me. But just because you don't see it or refuse to acknowledge it, doesn't mean that I have to ignore it or stay silent.

I don't think that I'm special or unique in these things. I think there are many who feel as I do. I know some do with certainty.

I never said any of the things that you said in the first part of your post, you just thought that. However you are correct in your statement in disagreeing about coach smith, but thats fine I know a lot of people don't see things the same way. If I thought a coach was bringing the program down I would not support him, I just don't feel like Tubby is anywhere near that level, but like you said youropinion is yours and mine are mine.

blueheretic

02-07-2007, 07:39 PM

catfan043 wrote: blueheretic wrote: catfan043 wrote: but win or lose I will always support my team and I guess thats what makes me a sunshine pumper.
I think that makes you a fan. I guess you think that makes you different than others. I don't.

Everyone else doesn't do this? Or is it that if they don't do it your way then it doesn't count?

What special thing do you do that contributes to the support of YOUR team?

Win or lose, I'm still a fan of the Kentucky Basketball program. I still go to games if I can. As I can do so. I still buy UK gear. I still collect UK memorabilia. I attend fan functions. I attend games. I stay in touch with UK fans around the world. I talk about UK Bball and the others to fellow fans and to other fans of other programs.

The only thing that we do differently is that I do not agree with you about the level of Coach Smiths efforts and talents and I choose to be vocal about it. I do this because I don't see him as having the ability to get UK back to the Elite Level of playing in the Final Four and winning Championship Number 8. I don't believe that Tubby has what it takes to get back to THE GAME.

And in my opinion, he is being paid to do that.

You think it's fine that Tubby is coach. I disagree. I think he hurts the ability of UK to attain the ultimate goal of any top college basketball program.

To you that means that I don't support the team when they lose. To me, it means that I have the big picture in mind and am supporting the improvement of the program. I think that is a higher level of support for the program. I think your way of seeing things hurts the program. You and others say that one should support the coach so long as he is the coach. Would you feel that way if it were UK Basketball in 1987 with Eddie Sutton and you saw the writing on the wall or would you agitate for change.

What makes a person a sunshine pumper is the refusal to see when something bad is occuring. Like those that knew that there was something rotten happening behind the scenes in the Eddie Sutton era and refused to see it or were in a position to do something about it and refused to take action.

Beleive as you will. It matters not to me. But just because you don't see it or refuse to acknowledge it, doesn't mean that I have to ignore it or stay silent.

I don't think that I'm special or unique in these things. I think there are many who feel as I do. I know some do with certainty.

I never said any of the things that you said in the first part of your post, you just thought that. However you are correct in your statement in disagreeing about coach smith, but thats fine I know a lot of people don't see things the same way. If I thought a coach was bringing the program down I would not support him, I just don't feel like Tubby is anywhere near that level, but like you said youropinion is yours and mine are mine.

note those question marks.....

KY Native in IN

02-07-2007, 07:58 PM

going back to the original topic...

i think it's great how ESPN gets 2 commentators who are
duke and UNC alumni to talk about the game and the rivalry....not only do they worship, literally WORSHIP duke and UNC, they are overflowing with alumni at espn and are shameless in that fact...absolutely shameless...stuart
what's his name that's on stump the shwab, he's the worst...any time an answer has a former UNC person he yells out "TARHEEL"....what a jackass...i had to stop watching that show for just that reason, and they give shwab way more time to answer than the contestants...

would they ever have Monster Mash get on there to talk about UK, he's done analyst work on there...but is ever
in the room when a games going on?

if he or someone else has been someone please tell me....

game day is at rupp this saturday, well at least they're acknowledging that there is a university of kentucky...

ESPN sucks, Duke sucks and North Carolina sucks...all of them can kiss my hiney! :tongue