Don't be afraid

[UFWildcat]

Don't be afraid that this '06 -'07 team might actually succeed. No, the win on Saturday doesn't mean its the second coming of the '98 team, but this team can play and compete against anybody. How about dropping the subject of too much mediocrity on the team and putting all your energy into cheering for the boys we have?

Don't be afraid that Tubby might actually be able to do great things this year. He knows the pressure is on. People are expecting more. It was great to see Tubby finally start applying full court pressure. Hopefully this is an adjustment he has made for the remainder of the season. We have too many talented wing players not to be applying full court pressure. If he does succeed are these same Naysayers going to jump back on the band wagon?

Don't be afraid that Tubby could turn the program around. I don't like speculating on the future but with the possible addition of Patterson, we would have a final four team on our hands. Give the man a chance to rebound from his prior short comings. I have a feeling the talent we want and need is coming. It kind of feels like the year preluding to the signings of Morris, Crawford, and Rondo. At least I hope so.

I however,am not afraid to admit Tubby must go if things are not resolved quickly. So much is riding on this incoming freshman class. People on this forum have legitimate concerns for the program, I have them also.

But I look at it one way.We all have the privilege and right to be Wildcat fans. Not many people can say they pull for the greatest program and team in college basketball history. There issomething about the Bluegrass that draws us all together. But I feel it is senseless to go through a year (if your team is not beating everybody they face) and constantly complain and mope. There are only aselect, precious few Wildcat basketball games in the grand scheme of it all that we get to witness, why not try and enjoy them.

Yes, it is tough to come to grips with the fact Kentuckyisn't as powerful asit has been in years past. I've had that dose of reality smacked in my face numerous timeslately down here in Florida. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins, lets try and swallow ours for the sake of the CURRENT team.

Lets go Wildcats, beat dem Gators!!!

[Wildcatcrazy11]

:thumbupgood post.

[bluegrassking]

UFWildcat wrote: Don't be afraid that this '06 -'07 team might actually succeed. No, the win on Saturday doesn't mean its the second coming of the '98 team, but this team can play and compete against anybody. How about dropping the subject of too much mediocrity on the team and putting all your energy into cheering for the boys we have?

Don't be afraid that Tubby might actually be able to do great things this year. He knows the pressure is on. People are expecting more. It was great to see Tubby finally start applying full court pressure. Hopefully this is an adjustment he has made for the remainder of the season. We have too many talented wing players not to be applying full court pressure. If he does succeed are these same Naysayers going to jump back on the band wagon?

Don't be afraid that Tubby could turn the program around. I don't like speculating on the future but with the possible addition of Patterson, we would have a final four team on our hands. Give the man a chance to rebound from his prior short comings. I have a feeling the talent we want and need is coming. It kind of feels like the year preluding to the signings of Morris, Crawford, and Rondo. At least I hope so.

I however,am not afraid to admit Tubby must go if things are not resolved quickly. So much is riding on this incoming freshman class. People on this forum have legitimate concerns for the program, I have them also.

But I look at it one way.We all have the privilege and right to be Wildcat fans. Not many people can say they pull for the greatest program and team in college basketball history. There issomething about the Bluegrass that draws us all together. But I feel it is senseless to go through a year (if your team is not beating everybody they face) and constantly complain and mope. There are only aselect, precious few Wildcat basketball games in the grand scheme of it all that we get to witness, why not try and enjoy them.

Yes, it is tough to come to grips with the fact Kentuckyisn't as powerful asit has been in years past. I've had that dose of reality smacked in my face numerous timeslately down here in Florida. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins, lets try and swallow ours for the sake of the CURRENT team.

Lets go Wildcats, beat dem Gators!!!


Good post.

I'm not afraid Tubby will turn it around. I am afraid that the program needs turning around.

I have great levels of trepidation that as in the past it will be assumed the program is going in the right direction but it be fools gold like the "three great years". That springboard bounced into NOTHING.

You say the team can play and compete with ANYONE. I have seen ZERO evidence of this. Maybe the Florida game will change my mind but so far I see a team with about nothing to support this belief. We never pushed UCLA, Memphis, or UNC. We barely overcame an IU team with a brand new coach early in the year. Vandy ran away from us at the end at OUR PLACE. We could not hold off UGA. We have now beat two mid-tier SEC teams bothminus double digit scorers.

I wish my confidence was high as yours on this but I don't see the evidence.

I'm also tired. I'm tired of 2nd chances for Tubby, chances for him to supposedly fix what was in no way broken when he took over. Why does the highest paid coach, supposedly an ELITE coach need to "turn it around"? From what condition does the program need turning? Who created the issues? I'm tired of the same old arguments year after year. I'm tired of the same flaws rearing their ugly heads year after year. I'm tired of a staff that takes recruiting seasons off. I'm tired of "not being prepared". I'm totally tired of coming up short because we always bring a knife to gunfights-not enough scoring, not enough talent, and general lack of aggresion.

I'm really tired of the constant stream of misinformation.

Tubby has misrepresented each step of the way. HE LIED and said he would run a similar system to Pitino's, when hired.

He lied after the 1st Team Turmoil and promised that such things would never happen again but after just 3 years it did.

He lied after Team Turmoil II and said again that he'd make changes to ensure no repeat, but no changes were made.

Every year there is a new excuse but at the same time we are told that all is well.

Every year we are sold the same bill of sales about tempo, every year we are described as young.

We have recruited poorly for 7 or 8 years.

You feel the talent is coming, I remain dubious. We have precious few options to make this hope reality. No Patterson and it can't happen, there are no alternates anywhere near his class.

I can enjoy the individual games like I can enjoy a kiss that fails to lead to other things but I have the sense to know I don't have a girlfriend until it goes further than that. I enjoy games as mile markers to a destination, when I feel a game shows progress towards being champs, I love it. If not, I'm pissed. That's the way it is and always has been. My outlook never was a problem until OTS.

I will not disrespect this team and have lower expectations for them. If my hope is small, it is for a multitude of reason but my aspirations, goals, and desires will not bend one iota.

For me each game is a link in the chain that extends from the begininng of the program (or at least from when Rupp took over) to the unseen future. One tree neither makes or breakes the forrest.

I'm far from afraid Tubby will turn it around, that would be the easiest thing for all concerned but the problem remains that I have ZERO FAITH THAT HE WILL. So little faith that it seems pretty much impossible.

In essence you are saying HAVE FAITH IN TUBBY THAT HE WILL MAKE ALL RIGHT. Mine is run clean out. I had faith for too long, and should have seen through the fog to reality but instead I continued to place my faith in someone who never earned it. I argued in favor of OTS until my arguments had no validity. I supported him and gave him EVERY POSSIBLE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. I gave him 8+ years and he never delivered. I'm done until PROVEN otherwise. No positive signs will do it, only results.

Instead, I'll do anything within the bounds of the law to see UK with a leader at the top that will deliver. Certainly, I will continue to point out the overall health of the program as I see it, as well as the progress through each season towardsOUR GOAL.The sample is large enough, any doubts are very marginal, Tubby Smith is not up to the task of building a regular contender. Therefore, he is not qualified to be UK head coach and should be removed from his post.

[UFWildcat]

bluegrassking wrote: UFWildcat wrote: Don't be afraid that this '06 -'07 team might actually succeed. No, the win on Saturday doesn't mean its the second coming of the '98 team, but this team can play and compete against anybody. How about dropping the subject of too much mediocrity on the team and putting all your energy into cheering for the boys we have?

Don't be afraid that Tubby might actually be able to do great things this year. He knows the pressure is on. People are expecting more. It was great to see Tubby finally start applying full court pressure. Hopefully this is an adjustment he has made for the remainder of the season. We have too many talented wing players not to be applying full court pressure. If he does succeed are these same Naysayers going to jump back on the band wagon?

Don't be afraid that Tubby could turn the program around. I don't like speculating on the future but with the possible addition of Patterson, we would have a final four team on our hands. Give the man a chance to rebound from his prior short comings. I have a feeling the talent we want and need is coming. It kind of feels like the year preluding to the signings of Morris, Crawford, and Rondo. At least I hope so.

I however,am not afraid to admit Tubby must go if things are not resolved quickly. So much is riding on this incoming freshman class. People on this forum have legitimate concerns for the program, I have them also.

But I look at it one way.We all have the privilege and right to be Wildcat fans. Not many people can say they pull for the greatest program and team in college basketball history. There issomething about the Bluegrass that draws us all together. But I feel it is senseless to go through a year (if your team is not beating everybody they face) and constantly complain and mope. There are only aselect, precious few Wildcat basketball games in the grand scheme of it all that we get to witness, why not try and enjoy them.

Yes, it is tough to come to grips with the fact Kentuckyisn't as powerful asit has been in years past. I've had that dose of reality smacked in my face numerous timeslately down here in Florida. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins, lets try and swallow ours for the sake of the CURRENT team.

Lets go Wildcats, beat dem Gators!!!


Good post.

I'm not afraid Tubby will turn it around. I am afraid that the program needs turning around.

I have great levels of trepidation that as in the past it will be assumed the program is going in the right direction but it be fools gold like the "three great years". That springboard bounced into NOTHING.

You say the team can play and compete with ANYONE. I have seen ZERO evidence of this. Maybe the Florida game will change my mind but so far I see a team with about nothing to support this belief. We never pushed UCLA, Memphis, or UNC. We barely overcame an IU team with a brand new coach early in the year. Vandy ran away from us at the end at OUR PLACE. We could not hold off UGA. We have now beat two mid-tier SEC teams bothminus double digit scorers.

I wish my confidence was high as yours on this but I don't see the evidence.

I'm also tired. I'm tired of 2nd chances for Tubby, chances for him to supposedly fix what was in no way broken when he took over. Why does the highest paid coach, supposedly an ELITE coach need to "turn it around"? From what condition does the program need turning? Who created the issues? I'm tired of the same old arguments year after year. I'm tired of the same flaws rearing their ugly heads year after year. I'm tired of a staff that takes recruiting seasons off. I'm tired of "not being prepared". I'm totally tired of coming up short because we always bring a knife to gunfights-not enough scoring, not enough talent, and general lack of aggresion.

I'm really tired of the constant stream of misinformation.

Tubby has misrepresented each step of the way. HE LIED and said he would run a similar system to Pitino's, when hired.

He lied after the 1st Team Turmoil and promised that such things would never happen again but after just 3 years it did.

He lied after Team Turmoil II and said again that he'd make changes to ensure no repeat, but no changes were made.

Every year there is a new excuse but at the same time we are told that all is well.

Every year we are sold the same bill of sales about tempo, every year we are described as young.

We have recruited poorly for 7 or 8 years.

You feel the talent is coming, I remain dubious. We have precious few options to make this hope reality. No Patterson and it can't happen, there are no alternates anywhere near his class.

I can enjoy the individual games like I can enjoy a kiss that fails to lead to other things but I have the sense to know I don't have a girlfriend until it goes further than that. I enjoy games as mile markers to a destination, when I feel a game shows progress towards being champs, I love it. If not, I'm pissed. That's the way it is and always has been. My outlook never was a problem until OTS.

I will not disrespect this team and have lower expectations for them. If my hope is small, it is for a multitude of reason but my aspirations, goals, and desires will not bend one iota.

For me each game is a link in the chain that extends from the begininng of the program (or at least from when Rupp took over) to the unseen future. One tree neither makes or breakes the forrest.

I'm far from afraid Tubby will turn it around, that would be the easiest thing for all concerned but the problem remains that I have ZERO FAITH THAT HE WILL. So little faith that it seems pretty much impossible.

In essence you are saying HAVE FAITH IN TUBBY THAT HE WILL MAKE ALL RIGHT. Mine is run clean out. I had faith for too long, and should have seen through the fog to reality but instead I continued to place my faith in someone who never earned it. I argued in favor of OTS until my arguments had no validity. I supported him and gave him EVERY POSSIBLE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. I gave him 8+ years and he never delivered. I'm done until PROVEN otherwise. No positive signs will do it, only results.

Instead, I'll do anything within the bounds of the law to see UK with a leader at the top that will deliver. Certainly, I will continue to point out the overall health of the program as I see it, as well as the progress through each season towardsOUR GOAL.The sample is large enough, any doubts are very marginal, Tubby Smith is not up to the task of building a regular contender. Therefore, he is not qualified to be UK head coach and should be removed from his post.


Good, sound, quality thoughts.

It's not really that I have PUT ALL FAITH IN TUBBY. He should have the rest of this season and next off-season to prove his final worth. If he comes up short again then itwill be time to move on. But realistically we all know the likelihood is high of Tubby returning next year.

I lean more to the side of...

I can't do anything physically about the team.

I only have one responsibility asa fan.

Support the team no matter what.

If that takes me down in flames, so be it.

[phoenix]

Let me say this about all that: I LOVE ABSOLUTES, EVEN IF THEY ARE FALSEHOODS!

Now I am going to get my hose and have somebody turn on the sunshine pump and I am going to wash this baby down, in this climate of fear!!!!!!!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol ::lol:

[Radiated]

bluegrassking wrote: UFWildcat wrote: Don't be afraid that this '06 -'07 team might actually succeed. No, the win on Saturday doesn't mean its the second coming of the '98 team, but this team can play and compete against anybody. How about dropping the subject of too much mediocrity on the team and putting all your energy into cheering for the boys we have?

Don't be afraid that Tubby might actually be able to do great things this year. He knows the pressure is on. People are expecting more. It was great to see Tubby finally start applying full court pressure. Hopefully this is an adjustment he has made for the remainder of the season. We have too many talented wing players not to be applying full court pressure. If he does succeed are these same Naysayers going to jump back on the band wagon?

Don't be afraid that Tubby could turn the program around. I don't like speculating on the future but with the possible addition of Patterson, we would have a final four team on our hands. Give the man a chance to rebound from his prior short comings. I have a feeling the talent we want and need is coming. It kind of feels like the year preluding to the signings of Morris, Crawford, and Rondo. At least I hope so.

I however,am not afraid to admit Tubby must go if things are not resolved quickly. So much is riding on this incoming freshman class. People on this forum have legitimate concerns for the program, I have them also.

But I look at it one way.We all have the privilege and right to be Wildcat fans. Not many people can say they pull for the greatest program and team in college basketball history. There issomething about the Bluegrass that draws us all together. But I feel it is senseless to go through a year (if your team is not beating everybody they face) and constantly complain and mope. There are only aselect, precious few Wildcat basketball games in the grand scheme of it all that we get to witness, why not try and enjoy them.

Yes, it is tough to come to grips with the fact Kentuckyisn't as powerful asit has been in years past. I've had that dose of reality smacked in my face numerous timeslately down here in Florida. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins, lets try and swallow ours for the sake of the CURRENT team.

Lets go Wildcats, beat dem Gators!!!


Good post.

I'm not afraid Tubby will turn it around. I am afraid that the program needs turning around.

I have great levels of trepidation that as in the past it will be assumed the program is going in the right direction but it be fools gold like the "three great years". That springboard bounced into NOTHING.

You say the team can play and compete with ANYONE. I have seen ZERO evidence of this. Maybe the Florida game will change my mind but so far I see a team with about nothing to support this belief. We never pushed UCLA, Memphis, or UNC. We barely overcame an IU team with a brand new coach early in the year. Vandy ran away from us at the end at OUR PLACE. We could not hold off UGA. We have now beat two mid-tier SEC teams bothminus double digit scorers.

I wish my confidence was high as yours on this but I don't see the evidence.

I'm also tired. I'm tired of 2nd chances for Tubby, chances for him to supposedly fix what was in no way broken when he took over. Why does the highest paid coach, supposedly an ELITE coach need to "turn it around"? From what condition does the program need turning? Who created the issues? I'm tired of the same old arguments year after year. I'm tired of the same flaws rearing their ugly heads year after year. I'm tired of a staff that takes recruiting seasons off. I'm tired of "not being prepared". I'm totally tired of coming up short because we always bring a knife to gunfights-not enough scoring, not enough talent, and general lack of aggresion.

I'm really tired of the constant stream of misinformation.

Tubby has misrepresented each step of the way. HE LIED and said he would run a similar system to Pitino's, when hired.

He lied after the 1st Team Turmoil and promised that such things would never happen again but after just 3 years it did.

He lied after Team Turmoil II and said again that he'd make changes to ensure no repeat, but no changes were made.

Every year there is a new excuse but at the same time we are told that all is well.

Every year we are sold the same bill of sales about tempo, every year we are described as young.

We have recruited poorly for 7 or 8 years.

You feel the talent is coming, I remain dubious. We have precious few options to make this hope reality. No Patterson and it can't happen, there are no alternates anywhere near his class.

I can enjoy the individual games like I can enjoy a kiss that fails to lead to other things but I have the sense to know I don't have a girlfriend until it goes further than that. I enjoy games as mile markers to a destination, when I feel a game shows progress towards being champs, I love it. If not, I'm pissed. That's the way it is and always has been. My outlook never was a problem until OTS.

I will not disrespect this team and have lower expectations for them. If my hope is small, it is for a multitude of reason but my aspirations, goals, and desires will not bend one iota.

For me each game is a link in the chain that extends from the begininng of the program (or at least from when Rupp took over) to the unseen future. One tree neither makes or breakes the forrest.

I'm far from afraid Tubby will turn it around, that would be the easiest thing for all concerned but the problem remains that I have ZERO FAITH THAT HE WILL. So little faith that it seems pretty much impossible.

In essence you are saying HAVE FAITH IN TUBBY THAT HE WILL MAKE ALL RIGHT. Mine is run clean out. I had faith for too long, and should have seen through the fog to reality but instead I continued to place my faith in someone who never earned it. I argued in favor of OTS until my arguments had no validity. I supported him and gave him EVERY POSSIBLE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. I gave him 8+ years and he never delivered. I'm done until PROVEN otherwise. No positive signs will do it, only results.

Instead, I'll do anything within the bounds of the law to see UK with a leader at the top that will deliver. Certainly, I will continue to point out the overall health of the program as I see it, as well as the progress through each season towardsOUR GOAL.The sample is large enough, any doubts are very marginal, Tubby Smith is not up to the task of building a regular contender. Therefore, he is not qualified to be UK head coach and should be removed from his post.

Are you out of breath???:D:ggrin::ggrin:

[KennesawCat]

bluegrassking wrote:
I'm really tired of the constant stream of misinformation.

Tubby has misrepresented each step of the way. HE LIED and said he would run a similar system to Pitino's, when hired.

He lied after the 1st Team Turmoil and promised that such things would never happen again but after just 3 years it did.

He lied after Team Turmoil II and said again that he'd make changes to ensure no repeat, but no changes were made.



I think he lied about the weapons of mass destruction! ;)

(I mean no disprespect to your post, Bluegrass. I just couldn't resist.

[Will Lavender]

No changes?

Have you seen these guys play.

I definitely think changes were made after last year's mess. After all, we're setting at 17-5 and in a solid second place in the SEC.

This team looks -- and is -- much better than last year's version of the Kentucky Wildcats.

Anyone who claims that no changes were made is simply being hard-headed. Or else they're posting in the hyperbolic ether, where much of the discourse at DynastyDefenders takes place.

[Will Lavender]

Going on with my above post.

The biggest change this year has been Scott Holsopple. I've seen first-hand the kinds of "attitude adjustments," for lack of a better phrase, Coach Holsopple brings to this team. I've seen the man speak. Trust me: it's impressive.

The second most important change is the recruiting of this freshman class.

These four freshmen, I think, have really rearranged the way this team plays.

Meeks and Jasper especially make a world of difference in the way we defend. They have helped turn this team into a pretty stout defensive club.

Last year, we were TERRIBLE defensively. That was our problem.

You fix that with fresh, talented personnel.

Tubby did.

[UFWildcat]

And you can't deny the whole addition by subtraction thing. The bottem line is...the team is run better without Rajon Rondo. Rondo was a great player but he wasn't a college type ball player. He will have a successfull NBA career.

This is not last years Wildcat team.

Jodie Meeks will be an impact player in the coming years. His improvement has been staggering these last few games. He will be part of the nucleus of this team for years to come.

Nobody should be expecting last years results.

[jdeasy]

Will Lavender wrote: No changes?

Have you seen these guys play.

I definitely think changes were made after last year's mess. After all, we're setting at 17-5 and in a solid second place in the SEC.

This team looks -- and is -- much better than last year's version of the Kentucky Wildcats.

Anyone who claims that no changes were made is simply being hard-headed. Or else they're posting in the hyperbolic ether, where much of the discourse at DynastyDefenders takes place.


Why are you so afraid of Dynasty Defenders? Is free speech not your thing? You have quite an obsession with DD. I never see anyone mention you at DD, yet, you mention them in many of your's.

[jdeasy]

Will Lavender wrote: Going on with my above post.

The biggest change this year has been Scott Holsopple. I've seen first-hand the kinds of "attitude adjustments," for lack of a better phrase, Coach Holsopple brings to this team. I've seen the man speak. Trust me: it's impressive.

The second most important change is the recruiting of this freshman class.

These four freshmen, I think, have really rearranged the way this team plays.

Meeks and Jasper especially make a world of difference in the way we defend. They have helped turn this team into a pretty stout defensive club.

Last year, we were TERRIBLE defensively. That was our problem.

You fix that with fresh, talented personnel.

Tubby did.

Nothing has been fixed. This team looks better on paper because of the weaker schedule and the weaker than expected SEC.



To date, we have played 5 likely NCAA teams, we are 1-4 against those teams. We will have another double digit loss season and a sweet-sixteen, at best, finish.



This coming 3 yrs removed from the number one recruiting class in the Nation. Yes, indeed, we are right on track.



Thank heavens for lowered expectations. Just think, UK fans used to want to be elite. Now, we celebrate wins over bottom feeders as though we have done something.



But, hey, we can call those that disagree with lowered expectations names and pat ourselves on the back while doing it. That's gotta be worth something. This paralysis of fear might just catch on, you think?

[Will Lavender]

Ah, the old "It's because we play a weak schedule" argument. :thumbup

Haven't seen that one in awhile.

SOS
2005-06: 15
2006-07: 3

And I don't think I have an "obsession" with DD.

I simply have no respect for people who disappear when the team is winning, but appear in droves when the team is losing. Makes the debate much easier if you cherrypick when you show up, doesn't it?

If you ever see me go into hiding because things don't match up with my agenda, call me on it. Please.

And I've never been past the main page on the board. Never will. So I admittedly don't know much about it.

But I do know a few folks who admitted that they were members of that site.

A few of these folks rushed back to Wildcatfaithful when it broke apart and made some disparaging remarks about the moderators.

I was there. I read those comments.

They know who they are.

[BigblueDrew]

I don't see the purpose for these kind of threads. When UK has a good week folks come out and post threads baiting those who don't like where the program is at present. When we have a bad week the other faction posts threads to bait those that are feeling positive about where we are. I fail to see a useful purpose for either. REGARDLESS of real or imagined problems in our basketball program we are playing better right now than we have in a couple of years. Why can't folks qiut picking at each other and try and enjoy the season. I am as critical of Tubby as anyone, but I can honestly say that this team IS NOT a repeat of last years club. Saturdays game convinced me we have made progress. the 64 dollar question is wehter its permanent or temporary. I for one am going to wait and see the proof will be in the pudding.

[bluegrassking]

I certainly DO NOT buy the addition by subtraction theory. I believe it is nonsense actually. I feel strongly that we would actually be better off with Rondo than we are without him. Point guard is actually much more of a concern. than a year ago. I also see little down side honestly, in having Sims or even grades permitting Shag available. I don't grasp this addition by subtraction concept. The way I was taught is if you subtract a positive number from a positive number you get a smaller number.

I see Rondo as a gigantic positive. He carried that sorry *** team as far as he could. I saw Sims as a positive until he went into the Stevenson like state of "Tubby's Witness Protection Program". Shag gave us big time positive minutes against strong inside teams and in limited NCAA action. I'm glad the grades are up. That I guess is some addition by subtraction but then when dealing with Big Shag's grades we Know we are subtracting a negative.

No way I'd for this year anyway take any one of our guys over Rajon. No way at all.

I agree though that the defense is better. How much better I can't properly evaluate but the problems we had last year were still present earlier in the year when we played the teams that could expose them. Even against Arkansas we won a rare game of outscore the opponent. Arkansas shot well.

I certainly am not about to concede that bringing in a freshman class is a change of any sort, BECAUSE YOU DO IT EVERY YEAR YOU HAVE SPOTS. EVERY YEAR.

Are you saying there was a change in the recruitingphilosophy? A change in the type of player we pursue. A new organization system? Thoseare changes. Bringing in a class is enevitable.

The S&C coach I'll grant but that's not so different to me than changing from not bailing water on a sinking ship, but I'll grant it. Assuming what I heard that Tubby was forced to make a move on the S&C coach isn't accurate. If that was the case, then no credit for doing what your boss made you do.

It isthen argued that being 17-5 is an indicator of change. I say that's a hard call considering we are just a game ahead of where we were a year ago. OPPS. My bad today was the aniversary of the 1st Florida beatdown. Make that 2 games. Which is about what I expect to be the improvement over last season. 11, 13-I can't sort that out in any really meaniful way. I guess the final tally and the NCAA's will decide.

I've seen every game. I see the same standing around, the same draughts, I see the same lackluster rebounding, I see a team that can struggle with almost anyone, I see a team that thankfully has only been embarassed one but has not one impressive win (like say a WVU from a year ago). I also see what seems to be a jacked up and flawed recruiting process. Barney Fife has as usual just a single shot in his pistol, if he misfires on Patterson he not only fails to get a post player for the uptenth year but no shot at any projected impact player at all. Next shot a pg ranked about 50.

I do see improvement from players in their junior years, I suspect much of it is expansion of roles and maturity. Though, work on Morris' passing has obviously been put in. Players do get better. I do see we got a respectable recruiting class that has players capable of contributing but supposedly that was always the case. Surely, we haven't been recruiting guys with no intent that they be able to play?

It is my belief to ensure we see no repeat of last year systemic changes are required, but I see the same staff running the same system. AKA...I don't see any changes but the S&C coach that are not a natural part of the game. Plus, in any event I don't see the argument that makes sure we don't see another team turmoil? You could have made similar points in 03 but 05 still came. Never came around pretty fast that time.

Maybe I just don't get it but I don't see what changes were made that would negate the possibility of ever seeing a repeat of last year? Hell, in the final wash we could once again be sitting here with double digit losses and home in the round of 32 again THIS YEAR, then what change would have been made at all?

I'd love to believe this isn't another "Groundhog's Day" situation but the things that I believe that need to change to make that happen HAVE NOT TAKEN PLACE-SYSTEM, STAFF, APPROACH, MENTALITY. and TALENT.The freshmen are the only step in the right direction but the position we most needed instant impact in was not addressed or if it was Stevenson rots in Tubby's Witness Protection Program. Nor was the much needed long athletic wing broght in. Now we see we have a very limited oppourtunity to follow this up. Maybe we fix talent. Maybe even Tubby will take no more years off and avoid whiffing all over the place. That would be a big start but who knows what the future holds.

Remember Bill Murray did all kinds of different stuff but in the end it was the same day every day until HE MADE REAL CHANGES IN HIMSELF AND HOW HE WENT ABOUT THINGS. Tubby hasn't made those kind of changes and until he does or there is a change in the final results, I have to assume I'm at least on the right track here.

[Will Lavender]

bluegrassking wrote: I certainly am not about to concede that bringing in a freshman class is a change of any sort, BECAUSE YOU DO IT EVERY YEAR YOU HAVE SPOTS. EVERY YEAR.


Um, no crap.

It's still a change. Recruiting is an attempt at modifying the team. Tubby has taken heat for his lack of "modification" (so to speak) with the sophomore and senior classes, so why shouldn't he get credit for hitting the bullseye with a few of these kids?

What you need to do, as a recruiter, is address the problems.

Clearly, the problem last year was UK's defense.

You subtract Rekalin Sims, who was one of the poorest defenders I've ever seen at UK (some of that was no fault of his own), Shagari Alleyne, who regularly got destroyed by smaller, quicker players, Ravi Moss, who regularly was out of position, and Patrick Sparks, and you replace those players with Jasper, Stevenson, and Meeks.

Automatically you've got better, tougher, longer defenders.

See the defensive statistics. There's PROOF that this team has improved its most visible and damning flaw.

I don't know about Rajon. I always thought Rajon played very hard and got a bad rap by UK fans.

A poster on this board made the point earlier this year that "Ramel Bradley can't carry Rajon's jock."

I personally feel that it's the other way around.

Bradley has become a far, far better college player than Rajon was either year. He's better offensively, and I believe he's even better defensively because he's a lot stronger.

So I don't know if Rajon was a "cancer," but he's been replaced by a more effective, more hard-nosed player in Smooth Bradley.

[BigCat33]

There is a huge difference between last year and this year. I see so much more chemistry and it's getting better with every game. Last year all we had was rondo. This year without the ball constantly in one players hands other guys are able to step up at different times. Last year there were no consistent players. I think since sec play has started that crawford has been that consistent player. Perry stevenson isn't playing the minutes he was due to his defense. It has beena big step up in competition but I believe he will be a major player in the next couple of weeks. I think it's been stated before that alot of the negative talk on message boards has an impact on recruiting. So let's let tubby handle things cause it doesn't matter what you say or think. He is still the coach and he isnt leaving til he decides. And I think he has done one heckeva job this year with all the garbage that gets said about him. I thinkhe is about to shut some people up.

[bluegrassking]

Will Lavender wrote: bluegrassking wrote: I certainly am not about to concede that bringing in a freshman class is a change of any sort, BECAUSE YOU DO IT EVERY YEAR YOU HAVE SPOTS. EVERY YEAR.


Um, no crap.

It's still a change. Recruiting is an attempt at modifying the team. Tubby has taken heat for his lack of "modification" (so to speak) with the sophomore and senior classes, so why shouldn't he get credit for hitting the bullseye with a few of these kids?

What you need to do, as a recruiter, is address the problems.

Clearly, the problem last year was UK's defense.

You subtract Rekalin Sims, who was one of the poorest defenders I've ever seen at UK (some of that was no fault of his own), Shagari Alleyne, who regularly got destroyed by smaller, quicker players, Ravi Moss, who regularly was out of position, and Patrick Sparks, and you replace those players with Jasper, Stevenson, and Meeks.

Automatically you've got better, tougher, longer defenders.

See the defensive statistics. There's PROOF that this team has improved its most visible and damning flaw.

I don't know about Rajon. I always thought Rajon played very hard and got a bad rap by UK fans.

A poster on this board made the point earlier this year that "Ramel Bradley can't carry Rajon's jock."

I personally feel that it's the other way around.

Bradley has become a far, far better college player than Rajon was either year. He's better offensively, and I believe he's even better defensively because he's a lot stronger.

So I don't know if Rajon was a "cancer," but he's been replaced by a more effective, more hard-nosed player in Smooth Bradley.









I somewhat agree Will as far as the liabilities of Sims and Allyenebut I remember Shag and Sims pretty much parked on the bench. This team is notbetter because those guys aren't here because we started the season wih two scholorships to give and they still could be sitting there like Harris.

And far as I can tell Jasper has replaced Rondo and Rondoputs more pressure on the opposing team on both endsthan Jasper and was more effective in creating for others and with ball control than ANY player we have. For that matter Sparks was too.

You also ignore that Rondo was better than Ramel last year and they are both the same grade. Rondo would have improved over the summer just as Bradley did-he got stronger and worked on his shot-remember he shot like 31% last year? I'm not saying Rondo becomes a shooter but he would improve just like all the other juniors did, he is that talented.

Rondo in my opinion would still be the best option at point guard, hell now we don't have one at all, just a mix of guys without the whole package. I'll buck the trend and go with the 1st round pick from a year ago. In fact, I bet even Tubby would agree and if he was available Rondo would have started every game this year. He surely leaned heavily on him last year even when he went to the graded lineup crap, Rondo's PT was pretty much unaffected.

Rajon was our best player a year ago and very probably would be again. I see no reason he would not have progressed at a similar rate to those in his class.

[UFWildcat]

bluegrassking wrote: I certainly DO NOT buy the addition by subtraction theory. I believe it is nonsense actually. I feel strongly that we would actually be better off with Rondo than we are without him. Point guard is actually much more of a concern. than a year ago. I also see little down side honestly, in having Sims or even grades permitting Shag available. I don't grasp this addition by subtraction concept. The way I was taught is if you subtract a positive number from a positive number you get a smaller number.

I see Rondo as a gigantic positive. He carried that sorry *** team as far as he could. I saw Sims as a positive until he went into the Stevenson like state of "Tubby's Witness Protection Program". Shag gave us big time positive minutes against strong inside teams and in limited NCAA action. I'm glad the grades are up. That I guess is some addition by subtraction but then when dealing with Big Shag's grades we Know we are subtracting a negative.

No way I'd for this year anyway take any one of our guys over Rajon. No way at all.

I agree though that the defense is better. How much better I can't properly evaluate but the problems we had last year were still present earlier in the year when we played the teams that could expose them. Even against Arkansas we won a rare game of outscore the opponent. Arkansas shot well.

I certainly am not about to concede that bringing in a freshman class is a change of any sort, BECAUSE YOU DO IT EVERY YEAR YOU HAVE SPOTS. EVERY YEAR.

Are you saying there was a change in the recruitingphilosophy? A change in the type of player we pursue. A new organization system? Thoseare changes. Bringing in a class is enevitable.

The S&C coach I'll grant but that's not so different to me than changing from not bailing water on a sinking ship, but I'll grant it. Assuming what I heard that Tubby was forced to make a move on the S&C coach isn't accurate. If that was the case, then no credit for doing what your boss made you do.

It isthen argued that being 17-5 is an indicator of change. I say that's a hard call considering we are just a game ahead of where we were a year ago. OPPS. My bad today was the aniversary of the 1st Florida beatdown. Make that 2 games. Which is about what I expect to be the improvement over last season. 11, 13-I can't sort that out in any really meaniful way. I guess the final tally and the NCAA's will decide.

I've seen every game. I see the same standing around, the same draughts, I see the same lackluster rebounding, I see a team that can struggle with almost anyone, I see a team that thankfully has only been embarassed one but has not one impressive win (like say a WVU from a year ago). I also see what seems to be a jacked up and flawed recruiting process. Barney Fife has as usual just a single shot in his pistol, if he misfires on Patterson he not only fails to get a post player for the uptenth year but no shot at any projected impact player at all. Next shot a pg ranked about 50.

I do see improvement from players in their junior years, I suspect much of it is expansion of roles and maturity. Though, work on Morris' passing has obviously been put in. Players do get better. I do see we got a respectable recruiting class that has players capable of contributing but supposedly that was always the case. Surely, we haven't been recruiting guys with no intent that they be able to play?

It is my belief to ensure we see no repeat of last year systemic changes are required, but I see the same staff running the same system. AKA...I don't see any changes but the S&C coach that are not a natural part of the game. Plus, in any event I don't see the argument that makes sure we don't see another team turmoil? You could have made similar points in 03 but 05 still came. Never came around pretty fast that time.

Maybe I just don't get it but I don't see what changes were made that would negate the possibility of ever seeing a repeat of last year? Hell, in the final wash we could once again be sitting here with double digit losses and home in the round of 32 again THIS YEAR, then what change would have been made at all?

I'd love to believe this isn't another "Groundhog's Day" situation but the things that I believe that need to change to make that happen HAVE NOT TAKEN PLACE-SYSTEM, STAFF, APPROACH, MENTALITY. and TALENT.The freshmen are the only step in the right direction but the position we most needed instant impact in was not addressed or if it was Stevenson rots in Tubby's Witness Protection Program. Nor was the much needed long athletic wing broght in. Now we see we have a very limited oppourtunity to follow this up. Maybe we fix talent. Maybe even Tubby will take no more years off and avoid whiffing all over the place. That would be a big start but who knows what the future holds.

Remember Bill Murray did all kinds of different stuff but in the end it was the same day every day until HE MADE REAL CHANGES IN HIMSELF AND HOW HE WENT ABOUT THINGS. Tubby hasn't made those kind of changes and until he does or there is a change in the final results, I have to assume I'm at least on the right track here.





I respectfully disagree.

You act as if the whole addition by subtraction was a bad thing. Look, I liked Rajon Rondo a lot during his time at UK. I was disappointed to see him declare early for the NBA draft. But you can not deny that the offense is run much more "smoother" this year than last. And it's not all to be blamed on Rondo, but he was the point guard and he wasn't getting it done.

In the college game a team needs to have shooters on the perimeter. Rondo had zero resemblance of a sound jump shot. I would cringe everytime he unloaded a three pointer (except for that game winner!) Teams would base their defense against us by not guarding Rondo on the perimeter. Thats a disadvantage. Like I've said before, you can't have one player lead the team in points, rebounds, steals, assits, and turnovers. Yes, he carried the team but its not the right way to play. He was by no means a CANCER though.

Even though Ramel "Smooth" Bradley doesn't have the best point guard skills, I still think he can get it done. We are a much more productive offense. I have a feeling that when the BIG games come around and we are in crunch time you will see Bradley run the point and Meeks be the shooting guard. That is our most explosive guard combo.

The purpose of this thread was to 'remind' everybody that the season is still going on. Don't be afraid that these Cats might prove your pessimistic views all wrong.

[justford]

Will Lavender wrote: bluegrassking wrote: I certainly am not about to concede that bringing in a freshman class is a change of any sort, BECAUSE YOU DO IT EVERY YEAR YOU HAVE SPOTS. EVERY YEAR.


Um, no crap.

It's still a change. Recruiting is an attempt at modifying the team. Tubby has taken heat for his lack of "modification" (so to speak) with the sophomore and senior classes, so why shouldn't he get credit for hitting the bullseye with a few of these kids?

What you need to do, as a recruiter, is address the problems.

Clearly, the problem last year was UK's defense.

You subtract Rekalin Sims, who was one of the poorest defenders I've ever seen at UK (some of that was no fault of his own), Shagari Alleyne, who regularly got destroyed by smaller, quicker players, Ravi Moss, who regularly was out of position, and Patrick Sparks, and you replace those players with Jasper, Stevenson, and Meeks.

Automatically you've got better, tougher, longer defenders.

See the defensive statistics. There's PROOF that this team has improved its most visible and damning flaw.

I don't know about Rajon. I always thought Rajon played very hard and got a bad rap by UK fans.

A poster on this board made the point earlier this year that "Ramel Bradley can't carry Rajon's jock."

I personally feel that it's the other way around.

Bradley has become a far, far better college player than Rajon was either year. He's better offensively, and I believe he's even better defensively because he's a lot stronger.

So I don't know if Rajon was a "cancer," but he's been replaced by a more effective, more hard-nosed player in Smooth Bradley.










Are you saying Bradley will be playing NBA ball or is a better player than Rondo or just referring to RB being a better team player?

[audacious1]

UFWildcat wrote: I can't do anything physically about the team.

I only have one responsibility asa fan.

Support the team no matter what.

If that takes me down in flames, so be it.

:thumbup:thumbup:thumbup

[UFWildcat]

jd&ez wroteTo date, we have played 5 likely NCAA teams, we are 1-4 against those teams. We will have another double digit loss season and a sweet-sixteen, at best, finish.

If you already "know" this, then why even follow the team?

[jdeasy]

UFWildcat wrote: jd&ez wroteTo date, we have played 5 likely NCAA teams, we are 1-4 against those teams. We will have another double digit loss season and a sweet-sixteen, at best, finish.

If you already "know" this, then why even follow the team?


Because I was a fan long before your idol got here and I will be long after he's gone. This is just a blip on the screen we will have abetter and tubbyfree UK one day and I will be here to enjoy it.



You can check back in from wherever you follow tubby to and see what a fine time we are having.



I can't imagime someone not having hope for UK and resigning themselves to thinking that this is as good as it can be. Whatever floats your boat, I guess.



I will keep my hopes alive and look forward to that better day. You can't get me down with your lowered expectations. UK will rise again. You just wait and see.

[UFWildcat]

jd&ez wrote: UFWildcat wrote: jd&ez wroteTo date, we have played 5 likely NCAA teams, we are 1-4 against those teams. We will have another double digit loss season and a sweet-sixteen, at best, finish.

If you already "know" this, then why even follow the team?


Because I was a fan long before your idol got here and I will be long after he's gone. This is just a blip on the screen we will have abetter and tubbyfree UK one day and I will be here to enjoy it.



You can check back in from wherever you follow tubby to and see what a fine time we are having.



I can't imagime someone not having hope for UK and resigning themselves to thinking that this is as good as it can be. Whatever floats your boat, I guess.



I will keep my hopes alive and look forward to that better day. You can't get me down with your lowered expectations. UK will rise again. You just wait and see.

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