I want to hear from the Tubby supporters!!!!

[crazzedcats22]

After last season I said that I would wait to see how this year went before I started screaming to fire Tubby, but enough is enough, a change is needed.

Please explain to me how you can (and why I should be) optimistic about anything with this program right now. We have lost 5 in a row (will be 6)to Florida, 4 in a row to Vandy, currently sit in 5th, freaking 5th!!!! place in our own division and there are no signs of any sort of improvement coming. Don't say we won a national title 10 years ago because that doesn't mean crap today and don't say let's wait to see how the season plays out because we all know how it's going to end.

[KapitalCat]

Hopefully this thread does not turn south. All I can say is that Tubby needs to look in the mirror once the season is over and decide whether he wants to continue to coach KY. If he does, he has to make some tough but necessary decisions about how he deals with players, who he recruits, and who is teaching these kids day in day out. If he believes he can return the program to top 20 status w/o changes, then he and Mitch need to have a long talk.

[DBCAT]

YEP, THIS SEASON MIGHT AS WELL ALREADY BE OVER. IT IS SOOOOOODEPRESSING TO NOT BE ABLE TO LOOK FORWARD TO WATCHING UK BASKETBALL GAMES. ASIDE FROM THE PAST 2 YEARS, I HAVE NEVER LOOKED FORWARD TO THE SEASON ENDING, BUT THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS.

[hoosierhateruklover]

Not really a tubby supporter or staunch hater, I just feel this mess is much much deeper than the head coach and yea things are terrible right now but a head coaching change won't do it all, more of like a band aid.

[catfan043]

I'm not a tubby lover or a tubby hater, I'm a UK fan.

[TrueblueCATfan]

I am a UK Fan..................I support the coach and the team

[crazzedcats22]

KapitalCat wrote: Hopefully this thread does not turn south. All I can say is that Tubby needs to look in the mirror once the season is over and decide whether he wants to continue to coach KY. If he does, he has to make some tough but necessary decisions about how he deals with players, who he recruits, and who is teaching these kids day in day out. If he believes he can return the program to top 20 status w/o changes, then he and Mitch need to have a long talk.



I don't want this to turn south and be a Tubby bash at all. I really want some help/insight into restoring my confidence and faith in UK basketball. It is getting harder and harder to be so passionate about something that continually lets you down.

[Buck_Naked]

hoosierhateruklover wrote: Not really a tubby supporter or staunch hater, I just feel this mess is much much deeper than the head coach and yea things are terrible right now but a head coaching change won't do it all, more of like a band aid.
Unfortunately in organized sports the coach has to take the proverbial fall. After all, you can't fire all the players.

[LiveBlue]

I support Tubby as long as he is head basketball coach of Kentucky. You'll never see me openly ask for his firing. In my mind, he can be coach as long as he wants, and I believe, with the necessary staff changes, and a good recruiting class next year, we can be right back on top. However, I think it would be best for Tubby and for the basketball program for Tubby Smith to move on. Tubby has not and will never live up to UK standards. (And realisitcally,I don't think we'll find anyone who will. But people believe someone out there can.)Tubby's done the best he can, but its not good enough for UK fans, and I think he needs to get out before it gets really ugly.

The only thing I cringe at, is that if Tubby leaves, the ramifications of his leaving will be great. Say goodbye to Lucas andPatterson. We are not going to get Donovan. I'd betmy paycheck on it.Some our our freshman would probably leave in addition, and the next head coach would be walking into a mess. And just like that, after struggling his first year, the new coach would be under immense pressure.

[Craig the Blueheart]

I root like hell for Tubby to win ball games. He seems like an incredible man, and he has as much passion during the game, as 99% of all coaches in America. Do I think the man has good basketball IQ? Yes. Do I think he is a great recruiter? I think he is somewhere in the middle. The bottom line is, I think that the guy has a bad mix of players right now. I am not saying the players themselves are bad, or that they have bad attitudes, but I feel like it just is not the right mix right now. Is that Tubby's fault? Yes. Can it be corrected? Yes. Will it be corrected? I am not sure that he wants to, or that his bosses would want him to... Stay tuned...

[KapitalCat]

crazzedcats22 wrote: KapitalCat wrote: Hopefully this thread does not turn south. All I can say is that Tubby needs to look in the mirror once the season is over and decide whether he wants to continue to coach KY. If he does, he has to make some tough but necessary decisions about how he deals with players, who he recruits, and who is teaching these kids day in day out. If he believes he can return the program to top 20 status w/o changes, then he and Mitch need to have a long talk.



I don't want this to turn south and be a Tubby bash at all. I really want some help/insight into restoring my confidence and faith in UK basketball. It is getting harder and harder to be so passionate about something that continually lets you down.
Believe me I understand. The past two years have been tough. Ky is 8-11 agains the SEC east the past two years. We just are not competing at a high level. Tubby knows it, the players know it..and so does the UKAA.

[BlueSoul]

hoosierhateruklover wrote: yea things are terrible right now but a head coaching change won't do it .:lol::lol::lol:

[trublue4life]

Craig the Blueheart wrote: I root like hell for Tubby to win ball games. He seems like an incredible man, and he has as much passion during the game, as 99% of all coaches in America. Do I think the man has good basketball IQ? Yes. Do I think he is a great recruiter? I think he is somewhere in the middle. The bottom line is, I think that the guy has a bad mix of players right now. I am not saying the players themselves are bad, or that they have bad attitudes, but I feel like it just is not the right mix right now. Is that Tubby's fault? Yes. Can it be corrected? Yes. Will it be corrected? I am not sure that he wants to, or that his bosses would want him to... Stay tuned...
Very good post.

[hoosierhateruklover]

No offense to the college basketball only fans but this is why I like the NBA. You don't produce, your traded, you don't want to be on the team, your traded (in most cases), no player is forced out after 4 yrs, so ppl like chuck hayes can stick around, and theres a draft so each team gets a legitimate shot at the top level of talent. In the end, team turmoils don't last as long, down yrs are shorter ( so as long as a team knows how to draft), and franchise players stick around longer.

[BamaCat86]

Craig the Blueheart wrote: I root like hell for Tubby to win ball games. He seems like an incredible man, and he has as much passion during the game, as 99% of all coaches in America. Do I think the man has good basketball IQ? Yes. Do I think he is a great recruiter? I think he is somewhere in the middle. The bottom line is, I think that the guy has a bad mix of players right now. I am not saying the players themselves are bad, or that they have bad attitudes, but I feel like it just is not the right mix right now. Is that Tubby's fault? Yes. Can it be corrected? Yes. Will it be corrected? I am not sure that he wants to, or that his bosses would want him to... Stay tuned...
:thumbupBest assessment I have heard today.Timeto call it a night and look forward to UGA.

[JayB]

BamaCat86 wrote: Craig the Blueheart wrote: I root like hell for Tubby to win ball games. He seems like an incredible man, and he has as much passion during the game, as 99% of all coaches in America. Do I think the man has good basketball IQ? Yes. Do I think he is a great recruiter? I think he is somewhere in the middle. The bottom line is, I think that the guy has a bad mix of players right now. I am not saying the players themselves are bad, or that they have bad attitudes, but I feel like it just is not the right mix right now. Is that Tubby's fault? Yes. Can it be corrected? Yes. Will it be corrected? I am not sure that he wants to, or that his bosses would want him to... Stay tuned...
:thumbupBest assessment I have heard today.Timeto call it a night and look forward to UGA.Yeah Nice Post , IMO Tubby will not be fired I just dont see it happening. If it does happen I will be very surprised. Well have a 20 win just like last season and nothing will happen. Were just gonna have to hope for a better season next year....

[WildcatMountaineer]

Tubby won't be fired.

Only way he leaves is for the NBA. But, I must say, I never thought anyone would be able to turn Kentucky basketball into Georgia basketball, but it certainly has happened.

[bluegrassking]

JayB wrote: BamaCat86 wrote: Craig the Blueheart wrote: I root like hell for Tubby to win ball games. He seems like an incredible man, and he has as much passion during the game, as 99% of all coaches in America. Do I think the man has good basketball IQ? Yes. Do I think he is a great recruiter? I think he is somewhere in the middle. The bottom line is, I think that the guy has a bad mix of players right now. I am not saying the players themselves are bad, or that they have bad attitudes, but I feel like it just is not the right mix right now. Is that Tubby's fault? Yes. Can it be corrected? Yes. Will it be corrected? I am not sure that he wants to, or that his bosses would want him to... Stay tuned...
:thumbupBest assessment I have heard today.Timeto call it a night and look forward to UGA.Yeah Nice Post , IMO Tubby will not be fired I just dont see it happening. If it does happen I will be very surprised. Well have a 20 win just like last season and nothing will happen. Were just gonna have to hope for a better season next year....


Why do you think it is TubbySmith's job to win 20 games?

His job(s) are to maintain the prestige of the program, dominate the confrence, and compete for and win Championships.

Currently he is 0 for 3, which means he isn't even approaching doing his job. 20 wins is roughly equal to showing up in my book and is a lackluster standard that is obtainable to even a very mediocre coach and team.

[Craig the Blueheart]

bluegrassking wrote: JayB wrote: BamaCat86 wrote: Craig the Blueheart wrote: I root like hell for Tubby to win ball games. He seems like an incredible man, and he has as much passion during the game, as 99% of all coaches in America. Do I think the man has good basketball IQ? Yes. Do I think he is a great recruiter? I think he is somewhere in the middle. The bottom line is, I think that the guy has a bad mix of players right now. I am not saying the players themselves are bad, or that they have bad attitudes, but I feel like it just is not the right mix right now. Is that Tubby's fault? Yes. Can it be corrected? Yes. Will it be corrected? I am not sure that he wants to, or that his bosses would want him to... Stay tuned...
:thumbupBest assessment I have heard today.Timeto call it a night and look forward to UGA.Yeah Nice Post , IMO Tubby will not be fired I just dont see it happening. If it does happen I will be very surprised. Well have a 20 win just like last season and nothing will happen. Were just gonna have to hope for a better season next year....


Why do you think it is TubbySmith's job to win 20 games?

His job(s) are to maintain the prestige of the program, dominate the confrence, and compete for and win Championships.

Currently he is 0 for 3, which means he isn't even approaching doing his job. 20 wins is roughly equal to showing up in my book and is a lackluster standard that is obtainable to even a very mediocre coach and team.

I obviously cannot speak directly for the poster, but I believe that he is saying that he does not believe that Smith will be terminated this year, and that we probably will achieve more of the same; he seems to hope for a surprisingly good season next year.

[poodoo]

trublue4life wrote: Craig the Blueheart wrote: I root like hell for Tubby to win ball games. He seems like an incredible man, and he has as much passion during the game, as 99% of all coaches in America. Do I think the man has good basketball IQ? Yes. Do I think he is a great recruiter? I think he is somewhere in the middle. The bottom line is, I think that the guy has a bad mix of players right now. I am not saying the players themselves are bad, or that they have bad attitudes, but I feel like it just is not the right mix right now. Is that Tubby's fault? Yes. Can it be corrected? Yes. Will it be corrected? I am not sure that he wants to, or that his bosses would want him to... Stay tuned...
Very good post.
Nice post, Craig. Good points.

[JOHN BLUEBLOOD]

Tubby's done some great things here, no doubt and he's had some very mediocre years and now 2 miserable years. His first 2 were excellent, the next 3 were below average to average, the Saul deal split the fan base and then he returned us to high standards with a couple of great years. I thought he did an outstanding job just 3 years ago when he brought in an excellent class, added Sparks and took that team to the Elite 8.

My feeling then was we are heading in the right direction. Two years later, the McDonald's AA class hasn't progressed much, the losses are tallying up at a record pace, the fan base is divided again, and the style of play hasn't improved. I certainly had restored some of my faith in Tubby 3 years ago but it was an abberation obviously.

[ukwebfan]

Second to fifth in one afternoon??? Yea! Save it for the after the Georgia game and you just might be onto something. And I'm not sure what game you were watching but the first half was a hell of an improvement from the previous 3 games. But the inability to play 40 minutes is costing this team BIGTIME!

crazzedcats22 wrote:We have lost 5 in a row (will be 6)to Florida, 4 in a row to Vandy, currently sit in 5th, freaking 5th!!!! place in our own division and there are no signs of any sort of improvement coming.

[JayB]

Craig the Blueheart wrote: bluegrassking wrote: JayB wrote: BamaCat86 wrote: Craig the Blueheart wrote: I root like hell for Tubby to win ball games. He seems like an incredible man, and he has as much passion during the game, as 99% of all coaches in America. Do I think the man has good basketball IQ? Yes. Do I think he is a great recruiter? I think he is somewhere in the middle. The bottom line is, I think that the guy has a bad mix of players right now. I am not saying the players themselves are bad, or that they have bad attitudes, but I feel like it just is not the right mix right now. Is that Tubby's fault? Yes. Can it be corrected? Yes. Will it be corrected? I am not sure that he wants to, or that his bosses would want him to... Stay tuned...
:thumbupBest assessment I have heard today.Timeto call it a night and look forward to UGA.Yeah Nice Post , IMO Tubby will not be fired I just dont see it happening. If it does happen I will be very surprised. Well have a 20 win just like last season and nothing will happen. Were just gonna have to hope for a better season next year....


Why do you think it is TubbySmith's job to win 20 games?

His job(s) are to maintain the prestige of the program, dominate the confrence, and compete for and win Championships.

Currently he is 0 for 3, which means he isn't even approaching doing his job. 20 wins is roughly equal to showing up in my book and is a lackluster standard that is obtainable to even a very mediocre coach and team.

I obviously cannot speak directly for the poster, but I believe that he is saying that he does not believe that Smith will be terminated this year, and that we probably will achieve more of the same; he seems to hope for a surprisingly good season next year.Yeah thats basically what I meant. I expect to see the same things as last year and the years before, but all I can do is hope for better next year. Thats all i can do from this chair anyways lol

[Dampier]

I wonder if the former players heard tubby being negative towards his own players on the radio yesterday after the Vandy debacle?

When a player hears his coach put them down on the air waves makes for a bad relationshhip between coach and his players.

Message board's negativityare nothing compared to what tubby usually tries to say on the radio. Think new recruits want to hear that?

[Catdaddy24]

Any recruit paying attention to Kentucky ball. whether it be watching them on TV or listening to post game shows or Tubbys Sunday show. You can sense the negativity within the program by listening to Tubby talk. He used to have this playful side to him. But now thats all gone. All this should scare a recruit right away from UK. Whether he leaves or not this year the program is on a shaky foundation right now regardless. Who would want to come to a school to be coached by someone you feel will be gone in less than 2 years. I wouldnt if I was one. No way. The crap has hit the fan here in KY. And until it gets all cleaned up we are in BIG trouble for a few years regardless of whos coaching.