Official "Derrick Jasper, shoot the damn ball!" thread

[DCWildcat]

DJ, I've had a mancrush on you since you signed with UK. You ooze potential--moreso than any other PG in the 05 or 06 classes--, you're unselfish, team-oriented, and have a good attitude. You are the Cats' best off-ball mover, best cutter, and most unselfish player. And you do have your faults--you're very turnover prone, as your hands haven't quite caught up with your eyes for passing, and your defense often suffers against smaller, quicker guards.

But your biggest problem is that you don't shoot the ball enough. Your effective field goal percentage (FG% controlled for 3 pointers) is higher than any player on any top 25 team (ok, not entirely true...two guys from Georgetown, busy making the most efficient offense in the history of college basketball, are higher, as is some random guy from Butler, but that's it).

Before my schoolwork picked up drastically, I was calling for you to shoot more 2 or 3 times a week on this board. I don't post much these days, but it's so important to our teams success that I will now. PLEASE SHOOT, shoot often, score points, make the defense respect you and pay less attention to our other scorers, and let's win some games.

[Craig the Blueheart]

I will jump on the movement... Please shoot more DJ!

[POEKLM]

Hey, he made a basket and a free throw this last game. I was nearly delirious with happiness.

[UKhoov]

LOL.....I thought me and my buddies were the only ones who said "man crush".... anyway now back to DJ.

PLEASE DJ PULL THE TRIGGER SON, NOT ONLY ARE WE BEGGING YOU TO SHOOT BUT OPPOSING DEFENCES ARE DARING YOU!!!! KNOCK DOWN SOME SHOTS FOR US!!!!!!

[jaspcat]

In the 1st few possessions of the Vandy game, DJ posted up on the block against the 5'10" guy that was guarding him. He never got an entry pass and didn't attempt to post the rest of the game. I've seen him post on several occassions without seeing the ball.

We know he can finish around the basket and generally has a 4-5 inch height advantage over any PG that tries to guard him - I'd say, post him up more, even if that takes him away from running the offense from the perimeter sometimes. If he gets doubled, or sees a cutter, he's definitely going to deliver a good pass to take advantage of the defense.

[UKhoov]

jaspcat wrote: In the 1st few possessions of the Vandy game, DJ posted up on the block against the 5'10" guy that was guarding him. He never got an entry pass and didn't attempt to post the rest of the game. I've seen him post on several occassions without seeing the ball.

We know he can finish around the basket and generally has a 4-5 inch height advantage over any PG that tries to guard him - I'd say, post him up more, even if that takes him away from running the offense from the perimeter sometimes. If he gets doubled, or sees a cutter, he's definitely going to deliver a good pass to take advantage of the defense.

I like this and have said it before myself. He scores only from about 5ft out anyway why not put him under the basket on different occasions. At least worth a try.

[JOHN BLUEBLOOD]

I agree, his confidence seems to be shot and he's big enough to either post or drive on his man. He has to shoot some perimiter shots, even if he misses a couple. Jasper is unique player. He doesn't handle the ball well enough to play point, can't stroke the outside shot well enough to play SG and doesn't have the size to play forward.

Jasper needs to work his tail off during the off-season on ball-handling and his shot. He could be a solid player if he were to excel in one of the above.

[FatCatDaddy]

Basketball is a game won when one teams passes a ball through a cylinder and collects more points. The art of passing the ball through the cylinder is known as shooting. Please Jasper shoot the ball.

[jdeasy]

Why would you want him to shoot? The reason he doesn't is because he can't make them.



In what way is a missed shot better than passing to someone that can make it?



There is a reason the defense lets him shoot. If he can't make shots in practice afainst the ball-line, he sure won't make them against a defense.

[Coldstream]

jdeasy wrote: Why would you want him to shoot? The reason he doesn't is because he can't make them.



In what way is a missed shot better than passing to someone that can make it?



There is a reason the defense lets him shoot. If he can't make shots in practice afainst the ball-line, he sure won't make them against a defense.
This is wrong. He can shoot. I've been saying this since I first heard about him as a recruit. You don't garner a 4-star rating with that kind of weakness and what you are implying is a serious weakness in his talent. Not so. He's that team-oriented (pass first) that needs to learn to shoot the ball to help his team. He hasn't caught onto that notiion just yet.

From the scout profile on him:
Big guard who has transformed himself into a play-making point guard. Does his best work when he's setting guys up. Can be a reluctant scorer and shooter but that's also a unique part of his game -- being unselfish and team oriented. High-major, Top 100 player.
Biography: Good young wing prospect. Very nice stroke. Good athlete, sees the court well. Potential high major prospect.

[Craig the Blueheart]

jdeasy wrote: Why would you want him to shoot? The reason he doesn't is because he can't make them.



In what way is a missed shot better than passing to someone that can make it?



There is a reason the defense lets him shoot. If he can't make shots in practice afainst the ball-line, he sure won't make them against a defense.

The guy can shoot. I don't think he is a Tony Delk, but he can shoot. Even if he shot 25% from behind the arc, the defense would have to keep him honest.

[phoenix]

Jasper, Jasper, Jasper.

Hey, I like the kid and I like the development he is showing after basically being wedged into the point guard slot under fire. He guards the 2-4 extremely well and can usually handle most 1's if he is smart about his fouls. I want to see him go inside more, and also shoot the short inside jumper. If he has enough 3's to keep somebody on him that will be great. Add a decent 4,and Jasper's value goes way up, and his faults decrease in importance. I'm happy with where Jasper is at this time. He'll develop. Ahead of Cliff, better hold on the ball than Fitch, bigger and stronger than either of the two, and I'm ok with where the kid is right now.

He has shown he has a good learning curve in a tough environment.

[JOHN BLUEBLOOD]

Coldstream wrote: jdeasy wrote: Why would you want him to shoot? The reason he doesn't is because he can't make them.



In what way is a missed shot better than passing to someone that can make it?



There is a reason the defense lets him shoot. If he can't make shots in practice afainst the ball-line, he sure won't make them against a defense.
This is wrong. He can shoot. I've been saying this since I first heard about him as a recruit. You don't garner a 4-star rating with that kind of weakness and what you are implying is a serious weakness in his talent. Not so. He's that team-oriented (pass first) that needs to learn to shoot the ball to help his team. He hasn't caught onto that notiion just yet.

From the scout profile on him:
Big guard who has transformed himself into a play-making point guard. Does his best work when he's setting guys up. Can be a reluctant scorer and shooter but that's also a unique part of his game -- being unselfish and team oriented. High-major, Top 100 player.
Biography: Good young wing prospect. Very nice stroke. Good athlete, sees the court well. Potential high major prospect.

[Will Lavender]

Not only is Jasper not shooting, he's really not doing much of anything.

I'm not going to look it up, but it seems to me that he's not finding the open man like he was earlier in the season. He does, I'll have to say, rebound well from his position, and he's a solid defender. But Rajon could rebound, and look where that got us; and if there's a smaller, quicker guy matched up with him, he'll get beat. (Ronald Steele comes to mind.)

I've been saying it for a month:

What is Derrick Jasper bringing to this basketball team right now?

[Houstoncat]

Will Lavender wrote: Not only is Jasper not shooting, he's really not doing much of anything.

I'm not going to look it up, but it seems to me that he's not finding the open man like he was earlier in the season. He does, I'll have to say, rebound well from his position, and he's a solid defender. But Rajon could rebound, and look where that got us; and if there's a smaller, quicker guy matched up with him, he'll get beat. (Ronald Steele comes to mind.)

I've been saying it for a month:

What is Derrick Jasper bringing to this basketball team right now?the young man doesn't have to shoot a lot, just pick his spots and besides that the game is about scoring, its a rare player that doesn't care at all about it, he needs to really work on being a fraction more selfish, in the long run it'll pay off.

[UKSam]

I he took just 5 "jumpers" a game it would make the defense more honest. Regardless of his shooting % the defense will close up on him if he lets the ball fly.

[patpat4three]

he needs to shoot more so they will respect his shot which in turn will create more oppurtunities for him to drive

[bleedbluelady]

patpat4three wrote: he needs to shoot more so they will respect his shot which in turn will create more oppurtunities for him to drive
I might be wrong, but I don't think that worked so well with Rondo last year. However, I agree, Jasper needs to take his open shots.

[jdeasy]

Coldstream wrote: jdeasy wrote: Why would you want him to shoot? The reason he doesn't is because he can't make them.



In what way is a missed shot better than passing to someone that can make it?



There is a reason the defense lets him shoot. If he can't make shots in practice afainst the ball-line, he sure won't make them against a defense.
This is wrong. He can shoot. I've been saying this since I first heard about him as a recruit. You don't garner a 4-star rating with that kind of weakness and what you are implying is a serious weakness in his talent. Not so. He's that team-oriented (pass first) that needs to learn to shoot the ball to help his team. He hasn't caught onto that notiion just yet.

From the scout profile on him:
Big guard who has transformed himself into a play-making point guard. Does his best work when he's setting guys up. Can be a reluctant scorer and shooter but that's also a unique part of his game -- being unselfish and team oriented. High-major, Top 100 player.
Biography: Good young wing prospect. Very nice stroke. Good athlete, sees the court well. Potential high major prospect.


He could shoot, he would. He doesn't make the shots in practice, thus, he doesn't have the confidence to take them in games.



There is a reason the opponents dare him to shoot. They don't back off Crawford and let him shoot.



When IU used to have that point guard that couldn't shoot, {I don't remember his name}, there was a reason that we just gave him the open shot at the top of the key.



Jasper is not now a shooter, nor will he ever be. If a guy can't shoot by the time he gets to college, he will not become Rick Barry.

[bret1555]

phoenix wrote: Jasper, Jasper, Jasper.

Hey, I like the kid and I like the development he is showing after basically being wedged into the point guard slot under fire. He guards the 2-4 extremely well and can usually handle most 1's if he is smart about his fouls. I want to see him go inside more, and also shoot the short inside jumper. If he has enough 3's to keep somebody on him that will be great. Add a decent 4,and Jasper's value goes way up, and his faults decrease in importance. I'm happy with where Jasper is at this time. He'll develop. Ahead of Cliff, better hold on the ball than Fitch, bigger and stronger than either of the two, and I'm ok with where the kid is right now.

He has shown he has a good learning curve in a tough environment.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I don't see him ever being stronger than the Hawk. . . Man, I really miss that guy. People talk about Chuck all the time, but Cliff was tough as nails. I guess we found MY man-crush, huh?:lol:

[Coldstream]

jdeasy wrote:
Coldstream wrote: jdeasy wrote: Why would you want him to shoot? The reason he doesn't is because he can't make them.

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In what way is a missed shot better than passing to someone that can make it?

There is a reason the defense lets him shoot. If he can't make shots in practice afainst the ball-line, he sure won't make them against a defense.
This is wrong.Â* He can shoot.Â* I've been saying this since I first heard about him as a recruit.Â* You don't garner a 4-star rating with that kind of weakness and what you are implying is a serious weakness in his talent.Â* Not so.Â* He's that team-oriented (pass first) that needs to learn to shoot the ball to help his team.Â* He hasn't caught onto that notiion just yet.

From the scout profile on him:
Big guard who has transformed himself into a play-making point guard. Does his best work when he's setting guys up. Can be a reluctant scorer and shooter but that's also a unique part of his game -- being unselfish and team oriented. High-major, Top 100 player.
Biography: Good young wing prospect. Very nice stroke. Good athlete, sees the court well. Potential high major prospect.


He could shoot, he would. He doesn't make the shots in practice, thus, he doesn't have the confidenceÂ* to take them in games.

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There is a reason the opponents dare him to shoot. They don't back off Crawford and let him shoot.

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When IU used to have that point guard that couldn't shoot, {I don't remember his name}, there was a reason that we just gave him the open shot at the top of the key.

Jasper is not now a shooter, nor will he ever be. If a guy can't shoot by the time he gets to college, he will not become Rick Barry.

You act like you have seen them practice and you haven't. At best your information is secondhand just like mine. Only difference is my information comes from scouts and coaches who have seen him. I even gave one's quote. Where is your source?

[DCWildcat]

Jasper is not now a shooter, nor will he ever be. If a guy can't shoot by the time he gets to college, he will not become Rick Barry.
No, he won't become Rick Barry, but he can become a very good shooter. Tayshaun Prince shot 26% on 3's in high school. I think he knocked a few down in his career at Kentucky, don't you?

[TrueblueCATfan]

DCWildcat wrote: Jasper is not now a shooter, nor will he ever be. If a guy can't shoot by the time he gets to college, he will not become Rick Barry.
No, he won't become Rick Barry, but he can become a very good shooter. Tayshaun Prince shot 26% on 3's in high school. I think he knocked a few down in his career at Kentucky, don't you?

Dec.5, 2001 he hit quite a few.....most exciting game ever to watch against NC

[jdeasy]

Coldstream wrote: jdeasy wrote:
Coldstream wrote: jdeasy wrote: Why would you want him to shoot? The reason he doesn't is because he can't make them.



In what way is a missed shot better than passing to someone that can make it?

There is a reason the defense lets him shoot. If he can't make shots in practice afainst the ball-line, he sure won't make them against a defense.
This is wrong. He can shoot. I've been saying this since I first heard about him as a recruit. You don't garner a 4-star rating with that kind of weakness and what you are implying is a serious weakness in his talent. Not so. He's that team-oriented (pass first) that needs to learn to shoot the ball to help his team. He hasn't caught onto that notiion just yet.

From the scout profile on him:
Big guard who has transformed himself into a play-making point guard. Does his best work when he's setting guys up. Can be a reluctant scorer and shooter but that's also a unique part of his game -- being unselfish and team oriented. High-major, Top 100 player.
Biography: Good young wing prospect. Very nice stroke. Good athlete, sees the court well. Potential high major prospect.


He could shoot, he would. He doesn't make the shots in practice, thus, he doesn't have the confidence to take them in games.



There is a reason the opponents dare him to shoot. They don't back off Crawford and let him shoot.



When IU used to have that point guard that couldn't shoot, {I don't remember his name}, there was a reason that we just gave him the open shot at the top of the key.

Jasper is not now a shooter, nor will he ever be. If a guy can't shoot by the time he gets to college, he will not become Rick Barry.

You act like you have seen them practice and you haven't. At best your information is secondhand just like mine. Only difference is my information comes from scouts and coaches who have seen him. I even gave one's quote. Where is your source?

Actually, I have seen practice, but, what difference does that make?



As for the scouts that have seen him, they agree that he can't shoot. That's why, after scouting him, they tell their team to not worry about from the outside.

Before you get all bent out of shape, I really like Jasper. I would want him onmy team if I were the coach. I would play a completely different type of offense to take advantage of the things he can do.

Hopefully, the next coach will take advantage of what Jasper brings to the table.

[Will Lavender]

jdeasy wrote: Coldstream wrote: jdeasy wrote:
Coldstream wrote: jdeasy wrote: Why would you want him to shoot? The reason he doesn't is because he can't make them.



In what way is a missed shot better than passing to someone that can make it?

There is a reason the defense lets him shoot. If he can't make shots in practice afainst the ball-line, he sure won't make them against a defense.
This is wrong. He can shoot. I've been saying this since I first heard about him as a recruit. You don't garner a 4-star rating with that kind of weakness and what you are implying is a serious weakness in his talent. Not so. He's that team-oriented (pass first) that needs to learn to shoot the ball to help his team. He hasn't caught onto that notiion just yet.

From the scout profile on him:
Big guard who has transformed himself into a play-making point guard. Does his best work when he's setting guys up. Can be a reluctant scorer and shooter but that's also a unique part of his game -- being unselfish and team oriented. High-major, Top 100 player.
Biography: Good young wing prospect. Very nice stroke. Good athlete, sees the court well. Potential high major prospect.


He could shoot, he would. He doesn't make the shots in practice, thus, he doesn't have the confidence to take them in games.



There is a reason the opponents dare him to shoot. They don't back off Crawford and let him shoot.



When IU used to have that point guard that couldn't shoot, {I don't remember his name}, there was a reason that we just gave him the open shot at the top of the key.

Jasper is not now a shooter, nor will he ever be. If a guy can't shoot by the time he gets to college, he will not become Rick Barry.

You act like you have seen them practice and you haven't. At best your information is secondhand just like mine. Only difference is my information comes from scouts and coaches who have seen him. I even gave one's quote. Where is your source?

Actually, I have seen practice, but, what difference does that make?



As for the scouts that have seen him, they agree that he can't shoot. That's why, after scouting him, they tell their team to not worry about from the outside.

Before you get all bent out of shape, I really like Jasper. I would want him onmy team if I were the coach. I would play a completely different type of offense to take advantage of the things he can do.

Hopefully, the next coach will take advantage of what Jasper brings to the table.

I sort of agree with this.

Tubby's offense is team-oriented -- sometimes to a fault.

These kids are so good nowadays that one or two players can make a difference based on their individual talent.

Tubby doesn't espouse that brand of basketball. Everything's team. Team defense. Team offense. Screening. Working together. Etc. etc.

It's a flawed concept in this day and age.

Notice how you rarely ever see Kentucky players taking people off the dribble. The ability to "take" is driving today's college basketball. It's what opens up all of these three point shots.

Our players run that antiquated motion offense which is meant to get jumpshots and interior baskets or kick-out threes. If a player drives and puts up a bad shot, he's sitting next to Tubby on the next possession.

Problem is, that's Jasper's game. He needs to be let loose a little. (Like Rajon, maybe.) He needs to be able to make some individual moves and not worry about getting out of that "team" concept.

[VirginiaBlue]

Just for argument's sake, here are stats for the year so far. Second column is FGA per minute played, third column is FG pct. Indicates to me that Stevenson and Woo don't shoot enough, either, but Sheray is shooting just about enough.:)

Morris, Randolph... 0.37 58.3%
Crawford, Joe...... 0.35 45.4%
Bradley, Ramel..... 0.31 43.7%
Perry, Bobby....... 0.30 42.6%
Meeks, Jodie....... 0.29 44.3%
Porter, Michael.... 0.23 36.4%
Stevenson, Perry... 0.19 63.8%
Obrzut, Lukasz..... 0.19 60.5%
Jasper, Derrick.... 0.12 65.8%
Thomas,Sheray...... 0.11 35.6%

[cnice11]

At this point I dont want him taking a lot of shots. But,his form on his jump shot doesnt look that bad.I hope he shoots a lot of jumpers in the offseason, cause I really dont think his shotis that bad.I want Tubby to give him a vote of confidence, rather than jerk him out for everylittle thing. You can pull him aside and give him some words of confidence onclock stops. I would like to see him take to the basket at will, to either open up a cutter or try for the slam. I just think he needs to be aggressive is all.

[bleedbluelady]

VirginiaBlue wrote: Just for argument's sake, here are stats for the year so far. Second column is FGA per minute played, third column is FG pct. Indicates to me that Stevenson and Woo don't shoot enough, either, but Sheray is shooting just about enough.:)

Morris, Randolph... 0.37 58.3%
Crawford, Joe...... 0.35 45.4%
Bradley, Ramel..... 0.31 43.7%
Perry, Bobby....... 0.30 42.6%
Meeks, Jodie....... 0.29 44.3%
Porter, Michael.... 0.23 36.4%
Stevenson, Perry... 0.19 63.8%
Obrzut, Lukasz..... 0.19 60.5%
Jasper, Derrick.... 0.12 65.8%
Thomas,Sheray...... 0.11 35.6%
Last season Sheray would take the open three and usually score. This season I haven't seen that. I wish he would take the three when he is wide open.

[Will Lavender]

bleedbluelady wrote: VirginiaBlue wrote: Just for argument's sake, here are stats for the year so far. Second column is FGA per minute played, third column is FG pct. Indicates to me that Stevenson and Woo don't shoot enough, either, but Sheray is shooting just about enough.:)

Morris, Randolph... 0.37 58.3%
Crawford, Joe...... 0.35 45.4%
Bradley, Ramel..... 0.31 43.7%
Perry, Bobby....... 0.30 42.6%
Meeks, Jodie....... 0.29 44.3%
Porter, Michael.... 0.23 36.4%
Stevenson, Perry... 0.19 63.8%
Obrzut, Lukasz..... 0.19 60.5%
Jasper, Derrick.... 0.12 65.8%
Thomas,Sheray...... 0.11 35.6%
Last season Sheray would take the open three and usually score. This season I haven't seen that. I wish he would take the three when he is wide open.
Me too.

Sheray doesn't seem to have a function in the offense. He gets the ball and usually just stands there waiting for somebody to come and get it from him.

Perry Stevenson is the same way. Sometimes he's a passer, sometimes a cutter, sometimes a release valve.

Roles. Somebody on the team mentioned it last year: I'm never sure what role some of these guys are supposed to be filling when they come into a game.

And that's a problem.