"No pressure to resign"

[KapitalCat]

Victoria Sun is one of the best writers around. Wish she worked at the LHL.

http://news.kypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070324/SPT0202/703240389/1014

[Mark Blueblood]

I agree.

Very good article. Hopefully, it will lay to rest the "Tubby's been talking to them for 6 weeks" fable. No....Tubby's attorney/agent had been talking with them.

Apparently there are no skunks in the woodpile here.

[JOHN BLUEBLOOD]

Mama wasn't happy. I heard that maama couldn't wait to get out of here. Today in the HL, it reads that Tubby's family and friends suffered the most but you know it gets back to the coach.

In this case, many felt is was needed to save the program from complete collapse.

[jdeasy]

Mark Blueblood wrote: I agree.

Very good article. Hopefully, it will lay to rest the "Tubby's been talking to them for 6 weeks" fable. No....Tubby's attorney/agent had been talking with them.

Apparently there are no skunks in the woodpile here.


So, tubby's agent was talking to them without tubby's knowledge? I would get another agent if that was the case.



If there was no pressure, why did UK pay the $1.5 mil that tubby was not owed? They just handing out money these days?

[bleedbluelady]

jdeasy wrote: Mark Blueblood wrote: I agree.

Very good article. Hopefully, it will lay to rest the "Tubby's been talking to them for 6 weeks" fable. No....Tubby's attorney/agent had been talking with them.

Apparently there are no skunks in the woodpile here.


So, tubby's agent was talking to them without tubby's knowledge? I would get another agent if that was the case.



If there was no pressure, why did UK pay the $1.5 mil that tubby was not owed? They just handing out money these days?

The agent was doing HIS JOB. His job is to look out for his clients. That means checking out possibilities, then taking the legitimate possibilities to your client.

UK paid Tubby the $1.5 million because Tubby fulfilled the season and therefore the money was owed.

[Mark Blueblood]

jdeasy wrote: Mark Blueblood wrote: I agree.

Very good article. Hopefully, it will lay to rest the "Tubby's been talking to them for 6 weeks" fable. No....Tubby's attorney/agent had been talking with them.

Apparently there are no skunks in the woodpile here.


So, tubby's agent was talking to them without tubby's knowledge? I would get another agent if that was the case.



If there was no pressure, why did UK pay the $1.5 mil that tubby was not owed? They just handing out money these days?

Gosh - you sure read a lot into things, don't you. I don't see where I said Tubby was or was not talking to his agent - what I said was, according to the sources involved, he was NOT talking to Minnesota. Duh.......

As bluebleedlady pointed out - the agent was merely doing his job. Also, the $1.5 mil was part of his contract. He got it because he earned it according to that contract.

[UKcat]

Surely, none of you really believe that Tubby did not know that the agent and Minnesota were in contact. The MN people state that it started in December. I was not born yesterday; of course he knew it. Said nothing, even on Wednesday evening when he knew it was going to happen, till the very end. Yeah buddy, that sure is upstanding and honesty in it's purest form.

And again, I will state; I DON'T CARE!!!!! I am elated that he is gone; just wish it had happened last year.

[Stretch]

Mark is correct. Tubby's UK contract provides for a $1.5 million longevity bonus if he coached here ten seasons. He did that. The money was probably already paid before he talked to the Minnesota folks.

[DCWildcat]

UKcat wrote: Surely, none of you really believe that Tubby did not know that the agent and Minnesota were in contact. The MN people state that it started in December. I was not born yesterday; of course he knew it. Said nothing, even on Wednesday evening when he knew it was going to happen, till the very end. Yeah buddy, that sure is upstanding and honesty in it's purest form.

And again, I will state; I DON'T CARE!!!!! I am elated that he is gone; just wish it had happened last year.


But you do care. You're sarcastically mocking people for believing Tubby left in an upstanding and honest way. I think that's bullpoopie. I think he did leave in an upstanding and honest way. First of all no other basketball coach would be held to this standard (oh yeah, there was SO much outrage when Roy was talking to North Carolina while in the tournament with Kansas). Secondly, there is still no reason to suspect that it was anything other than keeping his name on a list. Speculation that he "threw in the towel," or that he was lying (as you suggest) is nothing but people with an agenda against Tubby filling the blanks of the story in with their own version, which just happens to make Tubby look the worst. There's a very good chance that he did expect to be at Kentucky, thought it over, then changed his mind.

Wait, I forgot--a person UNIVERSALLY regarded as an honest and decent gentleman by ANYONE who has ever met him is more likely to be lying than to have changed his mind. Unbelievable.

You guys say: "Look, there are factors that look like Tubby might be lying. So I'm going to say he's lying, without proof."

I say: "It's disingenuous that you would suppose that someone completely honest to this point is dishonest, without proof."

[Stretch]

UKcat wrote: Surely, none of you really believe that Tubby did not know that the agent and Minnesota were in contact. The MN people state that it started in December. I was not born yesterday; of course he knew it. Said nothing, even on Wednesday evening when he knew it was going to happen, till the very end. Yeah buddy, that sure is upstanding and honesty in it's purest form.

And again, I will state; I DON'T CARE!!!!! I am elated that he is gone; just wish it had happened last year.

So, if Mitch and the agents for Donovan and/Calipari have talked and those guys are still coaching teams in the tournament, I suppose Donovan and Calipari aren't qualified for the UK job in terms of "upstanding and honest" either.

Searching for and checking out bigger and better deals is what agents do. Nothing says the principal must TAKE any particular opportunity that the agent presents to him.

[UKcat]

Stretch wrote: UKcat wrote: Surely, none of you really believe that Tubby did not know that the agent and Minnesota were in contact. The MN people state that it started in December. I was not born yesterday; of course he knew it. Said nothing, even on Wednesday evening when he knew it was going to happen, till the very end. Yeah buddy, that sure is upstanding and honesty in it's purest form.

And again, I will state; I DON'T CARE!!!!! I am elated that he is gone; just wish it had happened last year.

So, if Mitch and the agents for Donovan and/Calipari have talked and those guys are still coaching teams in the tournament, I suppose Donovan and Calipari aren't qualified for the UK job in terms of "upstanding and honest" either.

Searching for and checking out bigger and better deals is what agents do. Nothing says the principal must TAKE any particular opportunity that the agent presents to him.
Uh, unless I am missing something; Minnesota is not exactly a bigger or better deal.

[UKcat]

DCWildcat wrote: UKcat wrote: Surely, none of you really believe that Tubby did not know that the agent and Minnesota were in contact. The MN people state that it started in December. I was not born yesterday; of course he knew it. Said nothing, even on Wednesday evening when he knew it was going to happen, till the very end. Yeah buddy, that sure is upstanding and honesty in it's purest form.

And again, I will state; I DON'T CARE!!!!! I am elated that he is gone; just wish it had happened last year.


But you do care. You're sarcastically mocking people for believing Tubby left in an upstanding and honest way. I think that's bullpoopie. I think he did leave in an upstanding and honest way. First of all no other basketball coach would be held to this standard (oh yeah, there was SO much outrage when Roy was talking to North Carolina while in the tournament with Kansas). Secondly, there is still no reason to suspect that it was anything other than keeping his name on a list. Speculation that he "threw in the towel," or that he was lying (as you suggest) is nothing but people with an agenda against Tubby filling the blanks of the story in with their own version, which just happens to make Tubby look the worst. There's a very good chance that he did expect to be at Kentucky, thought it over, then changed his mind.

Wait, I forgot--a person UNIVERSALLY regarded as an honest and decent gentleman by ANYONE who has ever met him is more likely to be lying than to have changed his mind. Unbelievable.

No, I don't care that he is gone; I am elated!!! I am just not as gullible as some other people.

[justford]

Stretch wrote: UKcat wrote: Surely, none of you really believe that Tubby did not know that the agent and Minnesota were in contact. The MN people state that it started in December. I was not born yesterday; of course he knew it. Said nothing, even on Wednesday evening when he knew it was going to happen, till the very end. Yeah buddy, that sure is upstanding and honesty in it's purest form.

And again, I will state; I DON'T CARE!!!!! I am elated that he is gone; just wish it had happened last year.

So, if Mitch and the agents for Donovan and/Calipari have talked and those guys are still coaching teams in the tournament, I suppose Donovan and Calipari aren't qualified for the UK job in terms of "upstanding and honest" either.

Searching for and checking out bigger and better deals is what agents do. Nothing says the principal must TAKE any particular opportunity that the agent presents to him.

How is his new job a "bigger and better" deal?? I am sure the agent was just looking around for coaching jobs and mentioned it to Tubby? I would think Tubby told his agent to be looking for him another job. Whatever. It is now history so lets move on.

[Caveman Catfan]

jdeasy wrote: Mark Blueblood wrote: I agree.

Very good article. Hopefully, it will lay to rest the "Tubby's been talking to them for 6 weeks" fable. No....Tubby's attorney/agent had been talking with them.

Apparently there are no skunks in the woodpile here.


So, tubby's agent was talking to them without tubby's knowledge? I would get another agent if that was the case.

If there was no pressure, why did UK pay the $1.5 mil that tubby was not owed? They just handing out money these days?

Tubby is friends with his agent. His agent did, I believe, let Tubby know that Minn had been in contact, but Tubby informed that he was not interested in such things during the season. His agent considered the dialogue, because he thought it would be best for Tubby.

[JohnJ]

The whole article with its many quotes and spin is all about damage control. Tubby justwas not up to the job and the program has been slipping.

[UKcat]

JohnJ wrote: The whole article with its many quotes and spin is all about damage control. Tubby justwas not up to the job and the program has been slipping.
Now, that, my friend, is the truth!

[katfever]

Why the obsession with why Smith left? Can't people take his word on it and move on? What is the point? It seems Uk fans have bigger issue to discuss like a new coach, retention of players andrecruiting.

[TrueblueCATfan]

nice article...............puts alot of things in perspective for me...............

[RP_McMurphy]

It's called degrees of seperation. It's a old time coaches trick when trying to move on.

Mark Blueblood wrote:
I agree.

Very good article. Hopefully, it will lay to rest the "Tubby's been talking to them for 6 weeks" fable. No....Tubby's attorney/agent had been talking with them.

Apparently there are no skunks in the woodpile here.

[bluegrassking]

Why are Tubby's biggest fans having so much trouble believing him?

How can you talk unendingly about his class a character only to call him a liar when his story fails to match your agenda?

Could it be possible that Tubby wanted out of the fishbowl and might want out regardless of fan opinions?

It takes a lot to be here for 10 years. Is it so out of character for Tubby to want a slower pace and quieter life? Hell, we stressed Pitino out and he was in the Final Four half the time.

[DCWildcat]

UKcat wrote: DCWildcat wrote: UKcat wrote: Surely, none of you really believe that Tubby did not know that the agent and Minnesota were in contact. The MN people state that it started in December. I was not born yesterday; of course he knew it. Said nothing, even on Wednesday evening when he knew it was going to happen, till the very end. Yeah buddy, that sure is upstanding and honesty in it's purest form.

And again, I will state; I DON'T CARE!!!!! I am elated that he is gone; just wish it had happened last year.


But you do care. You're sarcastically mocking people for believing Tubby left in an upstanding and honest way. I think that's bullpoopie. I think he did leave in an upstanding and honest way. First of all no other basketball coach would be held to this standard (oh yeah, there was SO much outrage when Roy was talking to North Carolina while in the tournament with Kansas). Secondly, there is still no reason to suspect that it was anything other than keeping his name on a list. Speculation that he "threw in the towel," or that he was lying (as you suggest) is nothing but people with an agenda against Tubby filling the blanks of the story in with their own version, which just happens to make Tubby look the worst. There's a very good chance that he did expect to be at Kentucky, thought it over, then changed his mind.

Wait, I forgot--a person UNIVERSALLY regarded as an honest and decent gentleman by ANYONE who has ever met him is more likely to be lying than to have changed his mind. Unbelievable.

No, I don't care that he is gone; I am elated!!! I am just not as gullible as some other people.
To the extent that I think it's unfair to accuse someone of dishonesty without any proof of that dishonesty, I guess that makes me "gullible."

Would I accuse you of being a fascist eskimo communist liar? No. I have no proof that you're a fascist, an eskimo, a communist, or a liar. To do that would be unfair. Even immoral. And I'm not going to do that.

Apparently I should. Gullible until proven innocent, I suppose.