Will this year be any different?

[Yuleofell]

The real reason Brooks stuggles as a coach.

Player retention

2002 2003 2004

19 commits 28 commits 16 commits

10 still on roster 17 still on roster 11 still on roster

47% loss rate 39% loss rate 31% loss rate

38 players form 3 classes still on the team. The NCAA allows an 85 man roster, UK was on probation and allowed 78 scholarhip players.

It is common for team to lose two to five players from all classes combined per year to grades, transfers,etc. The above numbers are probably the worst in the NCAA however.

Still feeling good about this year's recruiting class?

[BigBlue75]

Yes, we are. Every school, every yearhas to face player losses in some form or fashion. I'm more concerned about keeping our players healthy for an entire season than I am about what MIGHT happen as far as grades and such. I'm not disputing the figures you posted (except for the bit about worst in the NCAA, which I seriously doubt, but it's beside the point), but whatever happens this season is just pure speculation at this juncture. Now you Card fans might HOPE it will happen that way so you guys will have some more ammunition, but no one knows right now.

Oh, and sorry for the double post. I'll get one of the mods to delete the extra one.

[BigBlue75]

Yes, we are. Every school, every yearhas to face player losses in some form or fashion. I'm more concerned about keeping our players healthy for an entire season than I am about what MIGHT happen as far as grades and such. I'm not disputing the figures you posted, but whatever happens this season is just pure speculation.

[tauzreborn]

Isn't this basketball season.

[BigBlue75]

tauzreborn wrote: Isn't this basketball season.Slow day for him, I guess...LOL!

[catfan02]

Uofhell in desperation mode. You see they are definitely a football school. Pitino in his 5th year and they are talking football in January. Oh my, how the mighty have fallen.

[TrueblueCATfan]

LOL.....the Loserville basketball team is in deep doo so HEY lets talk Football...........POT MEET KETTLE

[rickdacatkilla]

TrueblueCATfan wrote: LOL.....the Loserville basketball team is in deep doo so HEY lets talk Football...........POT MEET KETTLE
not me, I'm here and talking hoops, and ready to take my
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[BigBlueAngus]

Hey Mulesmell, look at your own stats our rate of attrition drops by an average of 8.% a season even continuing at that rate we lose only 23% this year, Plus several grey shirts coming available we will be much deeper than a year ago, Still young but deeper. Also the quality of talent has gone up considerably. I think even if we do lose the projected 23% we should still retain a whoping 21 or 22 players. that will according to your stats brings our scholly players up to 60, which is far better than it has been in a long time.

[TrueblueCATfan]

Yuleofell wrote: The real reason Brooks stuggles as a coach.

Player retention

2002 2003 2004

19 commits 28 commits 16 commits

10 still on roster 17 still on roster 11 still on roster

47% loss rate 39% loss rate 31% loss rate

38 players form 3 classes still on the team. The NCAA allows an 85 man roster, UK was on probation and allowed 78 scholarhip players.

It is common for team to lose two to five players from all classes combined per year to grades, transfers,etc. The above numbers are probably the worst in the NCAA however.

Still feeling good about this year's recruiting class?


for a loserville fan you sure know alot about our football team.............:cool:

[Yuleofell]

First of all, it is national letter of intent signing week. So yes, it is time to talk football recruiting.

Two, The 23% figure Angus uses is totally off base from the historical figures. It appearS 10-15% of your recruits never make it to campus, the first year you lose another 15%, and then you lose 7-10% of that class each year thereafter.

Three, these numbers must be the worst in the NCAA. UK was the only team I have ever heard about that had only 45 scholarship players available. That number is simply incredibly low, probation or no probation. Most DIV II schools had more scholarship players then that figure. I challenge anyone to find any school with numbers as poor as these.

Four, most schools lose kids transferring out and gain kids transferring in. At Uk kids transfer out, but very,very few kids transfer in. I wonder why?

[BigBlue75]

Yuleofell wrote: Three, these numbers must be the worst in the NCAA. UK was the only team I have ever heard about that had only 45 scholarship players available. That number is simply incredibly low, probation or no probation. Most DIV II schools had more scholarship players then that figure. I challenge anyone to find any school with numbers as poor as these.





Even if the figure is correct, it doesn't mean diddly going into this season...not that it means that much in any case. But, it seems to be important to you, so have fun with it, I guess..

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[Yuleofell]

Want to know why so many players leave UK?

http://www.coachratings.com/view_ratings_football.jsp

[BigBlueAngus]

Yuleofell wrote: Want to know why so many players leave UK?

http://www.coachratings.com/view_ratings_football.jsp






Nope, But I would like to know why so many UofL fans care.

[BigBlue75]

Yuleofell wrote: Want to know why so many players leave UK?

http://www.coachratings.com/view_ratings_football.jsp




If you're gonna talk smack, at least stay in season for gosh sakes. Sheesh! :rolleyes:

[Yuleofell]

Because it is fun needling you guys! Man, I thought answer was obvious. You all have the big advantage right now. Our basketball team is working on the hind teat. Your team is no powerhouse right now, but at least you have a little mini win streak going.

So, enjoy and fire back at us. It is all just good clean fun. P.S. id you followed the link, did you notice how ell Bobby Petrino was rated? :tongue

[BigBlue75]

Yuleofell wrote: Because it is fun needling you guys! Man, I thought answer was obvious. You all have the big advantage right now. Our basketball team is working on the hind teat. Your team is no powerhouse right now, but at least you have a little mini win streak going.

So, enjoy and fire back at us. It is all just good clean fun. P.S. id you followed the link, did you notice how ell Bobby Petrino was rated? :tongue


I understand the needling part, no problem, I just couldn't figure out why all the emphasis on football all of a sudden..:?

[UedK]

I don't know where are getting your numbers, must be from the courier journal.

In 2002 we signed 15. Only8 of those made it to the 2005 roster.

In 2003 we signed 22. Only 13 of those made it to the 2005 roster.

In 2004 we signed 25. 19 of these were on the 2005 roster.

In 2005 we signed 26, 19 of these were on the 2005 roster.

No doubt 02 and 03 had terrible player retention. I attribute this to the coaching turnover. Note that of the 16 who never made it to campus 10 did not qualify and 1 went on his Morman Mission. So weactually lost 5 players who actually made it to campus.

In 04 and 05 we have had 13 not make it on the 05 roster. Of this 13 Miller and Goodson will be back in the fall anda fewmore are on track in their Juco's to qualify in either 06 or 07, Dewalt and Cross included. Two of the 05 recruits will be greyshirts and enrolled in the fall. The actual loss for 04 and 05 will probably be closer to 8.

2 of the aboveplayers,Greer and Bullock were injured (back/neck) and were medically advised to quit football.

Years 02 and 03 skew the numbers. 04 and 05 are more normal.

Now all that aside if you are trying to say we loose kids because of something to do with Coach Brooks why don't you just come out and say it, but you will need to find some better reasons thanwhat you triedearlier.

The fact is that the 04 and 05 classes were decent, most all are on track to remain or become contributors. This years class will likely be a 30-40 ranking, so things are on the upswing.

[Yuleofell]

As we have not yet reached sigining day, I used your "commit" list from previous seasons, not your actual signing list. The point is you have a nice recruiting clas "committed" this year. Nonoe of them have signed on the dotted line yet though and none of them have experienced Brooks as their coach.

I have not played for Coach Brooks so all I have are second hand reports, statements, and rumors. From what I have heard, he is definately not a "players coach". I do not think even you could argue Joker is far more popular with the players. ( and in my personal opinion would be a far better head coach)

By the way, your numbers work out like this:

2002 47% loss rate
2003 41% loss rate
2004 24% loss rate
2005 27% loss rate

Add the commits who never made it to campus and you have my numbers. As I previously stated, all schools experience some academic casualties and some kids unhappy about playing time who transfer out. Most schools have a fair number of players who transfer in for the same reason. UK, under Brooks, has a big problem getting the kids to campus and keeping them on campus once they get there. You can deny it all you want, but the numbers do not lie.

[UedK]

UL Player retention

2002 2003 2004 2005
22commits31 commits 16 commits 28 commits
10still onroster 14still onroster 18 still on roster22 still on roster
54% loss rate 55% loss rate 25% loss rate 21% loss rate


The above numbers are straight off the Rivals UL2002-2005 Commit Lists and 2005 Roster and just like yours they are players who committed but may not have actually signed.

From 2002 through 2005 UL 39% (41 out of 105) of their football commitments are not on the roster. What's up with that? This compares to UK's 33% (29 out of 88).

Man-o-Man, Yuleofell, you have yourself a small can of worms going on here. And unlike you, I won't draw any conclusions in terms of what this means other than your arguement is totally 100% off base and if our numbers are the worst in the NCAA, UL's are the worst in the universe.

The above numbers are all fairly normal in the NCAA (even UL's), the further you get from a recruiting class the more losses of players you will have, almost all due to not ever making it to campus, not being able to cut it in the class room or injury.

The real thing that your numbers reflect is how probation limited us to two years of only signing 37 players and that has hurt us real bad. (This dosen't include our restrictions for 2001)

Now take your time and do the research, name me some UK players who left specificalybecause of Brooks, sort of like Grinter left UL because of Petrino the lier. Your inference is like Rondo's car, it's not a story.

[Dr. H Lecter]

UedK.... all I can say is Ouch! That had to hurt. It made me blush for him just reading it.

[UedK]

Dr. H Lecter wrote: UedK.... all I can say is Ouch! That had to hurt. It made me blush for him just reading it.
I fell kind of bad, sort of like when I used to beat up on my little brother. Don't ya hate it when the facts get in the way. :idea:

[BigBlue75]

UedK, if this were a professional wrestling match, the referee would counting 1...2...:D

[Yuleofell]

All right Ed! An Uk fan that actually checks numbers! Finally!

Neither Uk or UL's numbers are very good at all for 2002 and 2003. In Petrino's case, he was kind of given Carte Blanche for his first couple of seasons. As a brand new head coach, he was given entirely too much leeway. With the current APR rules Ul would be in hot water for those two years. You can see a dramatic improvement in the 2004 numbers. ( The 2002 and 2003 numbers are quite possibly the reason LSU did not offer him their head coach's position.)

As for your request to find a single player that quit because of Brooks, let me do a little hunting and I will get back to you later today with some names and quotes.

Bye my friends!

[BigBlue75]

Yuleofell wrote:
As for your request to find a single player that quit because of Brooks, let me do a little hunting and I will get back to you later today with some names and quotes.






You might as well look for the UL players that quit because of Petrino while you're at it. That will be next...LOL!;)

[UKHAS7NCAA]

Famous last words while running away with tail between legs.:ggrin::thumbup



Yuleofell wrote:
All right Ed! An Uk fan that actually checks numbers! Finally!

Neither Uk or UL's numbers are very good at all for 2002 and 2003. In Petrino's case, he was kind of given Carte Blanche for his first couple of seasons. As a brand new head coach, he was given entirely too much leeway. With the current APR rules Ul would be in hot water for those two years. You can see a dramatic improvement in the 2004 numbers. ( The 2002 and 2003 numbers are quite possibly the reason LSU did not offer him their head coach's position.)

As for your request to find a single player that quit because of Brooks, let me do a little hunting and I will get back to you later today with some names and quotes.

Bye my friends!

[UedK]

Yuleofell wrote: All right Ed! An Uk fan that actually checks numbers! Finally!

Neither Uk or UL's numbers are very good at all for 2002 and 2003. In Petrino's case, he was kind of given Carte Blanche for his first couple of seasons. As a brand new head coach, he was given entirely too much leeway. With the current APR rules Ul would be in hot water for those two years. You can see a dramatic improvement in the 2004 numbers. ( The 2002 and 2003 numbers are quite possibly the reason LSU did not offer him their head coach's position.)

As for your request to find a single player that quit because of Brooks, let me do a little hunting and I will get back to you later today with some names and quotes.

Bye my friends!




Hey Yuleofell, I think you may find a few who have been kicked off but I honestly can't think of one who left and attributed it to some Brooks factor.

On another note I was looking at the NCAA APR (Academic Progress Ratings) and both UL and UK are above the national average for football in Division I. In that these scores count all players who were on scholarship and enrolled no matter how long it would tell me that these two teams are really not doing so bad in player retention.

BTW; I really like your handle, did you steal that from the old Joe B Hall take on saying UofL.