Patterson: Gillispie makes strong impression [Archive] - Wildcat Nation Forums

Coldstream

04-17-2007, 08:16 AM

Caveman Catfan wrote: Can someone give a summary of what was said without copying actual content?The gist of what was said is that Patterson was very impressed with the in-house visit. I stress the word "impressed". When I read Patterson's quotes it was the first time I had seen Patterson actually show very positive vibes towards UK. And anyone who has been reading these premium articles over the year about PP knows how quiet and dry his comments can be. That's not just towards UK.. that's towards everyone out there still recruiting him. PP sounded very pleased by Gillispie's presentation and how he will fit into the program both as a student and a player. Although the asst. coaches didn't say much, their presence was there to let PP see how the new staff's personality will shape up (read: family).

Terry L. Wildcat

04-17-2007, 08:18 AM

:cool:Thanks Coldstream.

Coldstream

04-17-2007, 08:20 AM

bluecat406 wrote: FCFS82 wrote: FWIW.

I am a member and I say there are details inside that should make everyone feel good.

I would feel better, but it seems like PP and Jai say great things about every school they are looking at. :shrug:
PP says good things but last night's interview it was great. He was wowed. I came away feeling good about our chances this time. The fact that him and Jai are now in NYC today to talk about their recruitment bodes well for both us and UF. I think everyone else is out. Hopefully PP was wowed enough and Jai's visit wasn't that great when they meet in NYC to talk about things.

Craig the Blueheart

04-17-2007, 08:25 AM

Coldstream wrote: bluecat406 wrote: FCFS82 wrote: FWIW.

I am a member and I say there are details inside that should make everyone feel good.

I would feel better, but it seems like PP and Jai say great things about every school they are looking at. :shrug:
PP says good things but last night's interview it was great. He was wowed. I came away feeling good about our chances this time. The fact that him and Jai are now in NYC today to talk about their recruitment bodes well for both us and UF. I think everyone else is out. Hopefully PP was wowed enough and Jai's visit wasn't that great when they meet in NYC to talk about things.

Are you thinking that Jai's choice will be either UK or UF?

Coldstream

04-17-2007, 08:50 AM

Craig the Blueheart wrote: Coldstream wrote: bluecat406 wrote: FCFS82 wrote: FWIW.

I am a member and I say there are details inside that should make everyone feel good.

I would feel better, but it seems like PP and Jai say great things about every school they are looking at. :shrug:
PP says good things but last night's interview it was great. He was wowed. I came away feeling good about our chances this time. The fact that him and Jai are now in NYC today to talk about their recruitment bodes well for both us and UF. I think everyone else is out. Hopefully PP was wowed enough and Jai's visit wasn't that great when they meet in NYC to talk about things.

Are you thinking that Jai's choice will be either UK or UF?I think UK is still the team to beat for Jai. But if Patterson tells Jai that he is going to UF this week (in NYC) then our chances take a serious hit. This in-home visit to PP was huge for us and I think CBC put his best foot forward and if we lose out on PP, I'm not going to be disappointed in the coaching staff as they went all-out for him.

Craig the Blueheart

04-17-2007, 08:57 AM

Coldstream wrote: Craig the Blueheart wrote: Coldstream wrote: bluecat406 wrote: FCFS82 wrote: FWIW.

I am a member and I say there are details inside that should make everyone feel good.

I would feel better, but it seems like PP and Jai say great things about every school they are looking at. :shrug:
PP says good things but last night's interview it was great. He was wowed. I came away feeling good about our chances this time. The fact that him and Jai are now in NYC today to talk about their recruitment bodes well for both us and UF. I think everyone else is out. Hopefully PP was wowed enough and Jai's visit wasn't that great when they meet in NYC to talk about things.

Are you thinking that Jai's choice will be either UK or UF?I think UK is still the team to beat for Jai. But if Patterson tells Jai that he is going to UF this week (in NYC) then our chances take a serious hit. This in-home visit to PP was huge for us and I think CBC put his best foot forward and if we lose out on PP, I'm not going to be disappointed in the coaching staff as they went all-out for him.

This has been an interesting late push. I thought all along that Jai would go to a school sans PP in every scenario other than UK. I know they are friends, but I guess I have underestimated the intensity of their relationship.

I will maintain, however, that it is extremely positive that PP did not commit after Billly said he was staying at UF. I thought that was a great thing for all of the schools on his list. If he were extremely enamored with UF, he would have commited the day they celebrated their championship. Something is missing down there that he is not disclosing.

teamchemistry09

04-17-2007, 09:12 AM

Can someone explain to me what was said and what happened. I cannot read the article so I would like to know what happened to make it so great. What did BCG and his staff do or say and what did PP say? Thanks for any info

Coldstream

04-17-2007, 09:19 AM

teamchemistry07 wrote: Can someone explain to me what was said and what happened. I cannot read the article so I would like to know what happened to make it so great. What did BCG and his staff do or say and what did PP say? Thanks for any info
You can read my response further up in this thread to see what the article was about. We can't reveal the actual contents of the article since it is premium and a copyright violation.

RaleighCat

04-17-2007, 09:37 AM

After watching Oden/Conoly Jr. play for the national title, I expect the teammate/friends combo to become more and more popular for both coaches and players alike. Why not pair up with a player you know, like and compliment on the court? It's not like Lucas and Patterson are going to compete with each other for playing time.

I also recall Rondo and Crawford making the hard sell to Morris on the All Star Game circut. That had to help UK get Morris in the end. Some of these elite players have played together for years by the time they enter college through HS/AAU/Camp/All Star Game connections.

If Gillispie can land both Patterson and Lucas, he's the master. Hands down. Even if we don't get PP/JL, the future is extremely bright for UK in terms of recruiting. We've seen more positive recruiting traction in two weeks than we saw in 52 under the old regime. Kentucky is a player once again!

poodoo

04-17-2007, 10:06 AM

This in-home visit to PP was huge for us and I think CBC put his best foot forward and if we lose out on PP, I'm not going to be disappointed in the coaching staff as they went all-out for him. QUOTE by Coldstream

_________

Thanks for the info, Coldstream. Too, as I see it, no one should be disappointed in Gillispie and his staff if they do notget Patterson and/or Lucas. They have obviously come into the picture late. Too, I don't think we will ever feel that Coach Gillispie has not "gone all-out" for a recruit he wants. :D

I love what I read here. Also, if Gillispie pulls this oneoff, he deserves FARMORE KUDOS than we have already been giving him. :D

Caveman Catfan

04-17-2007, 11:13 AM

Thanks Coldstream.

One real problem with Tubby leaving is that it set back the recruiting of both Lucas and Patterson, taking UK temporarily out of the lead. It will be great if Gillispie can close the deal that Tubby would have closed, had he remained. That will make next season FAR MORE exciting.

RaleighCat

04-17-2007, 11:19 AM

Caveman Catfan wrote: One real problem with Tubby leaving is that it set back the recruiting of both Lucas and Patterson, taking UK temporarily out of the lead. It will be great if Gillispie can close the deal that Tubby would have closed, had he remained. That will make next season FAR MORE exciting.

I've read or heard nothing to indicate UK was absolutely in the "lead" with either Patterson or Lucas under Tubby. We were close or tied at best. Matt Jonesfelt UK led with Lucas at times, but even that is open for interpretation. I don't think anyone can say for certain that Tubby Smith was going to land both of these players had he stayed. His track record the past couple of seasons is evidence to the contrary, despite the friendly public comments both familes have made.

LondonCat

04-17-2007, 11:28 AM

Perhaps they will make a joint annpuncement this weekend at the Jordan Classic. Hopefully announcing UK as the winner f the PP - Jai chase!

VIIBanners

04-17-2007, 12:39 PM

I couldn't believe what I was reading last night. Patterson normally is stoic, poker faced and tight lipped... only feeding people a canned response (most of the time). Last night he spilled the beans to JDrum... I bet Drummond had to hang up on him because he was talking so much. Very positive. What made the article most impressive where the details of Billy's presentation that Patterson described. Gillispie is unreal people.

As others have said, if we don't get him it is because Billy G. came into the fold too late. If Billy G. had as much time as Tubby did, Patterson would already have a UK room in his basement doing cybershows.

Will Lavender

04-17-2007, 12:49 PM

VIIBanners wrote: I couldn't believe what I was reading last night. Patterson normally is stoic, poker faced and tight lipped... only feeding people a canned response (most of the time). Last night he spilled the beans to JDrum... I bet Drummond had to hang up on him because he was talking so much. Very positive. What made the article most impressive where the details of Billy's presentation that Patterson described. Gillispie is unreal people.

Agreed.

That was probably the best recruiting update I've ever read.

Caveman Catfan

04-17-2007, 12:51 PM

RaleighCat wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote: One real problem with Tubby leaving is that it set back the recruiting of both Lucas and Patterson, taking UK temporarily out of the lead. It will be great if Gillispie can close the deal that Tubby would have closed, had he remained. That will make next season FAR MORE exciting.

I've read or heard nothing to indicate UK was absolutely in the "lead" with either Patterson or Lucas under Tubby. We were close or tied at best. Matt Jonesfelt UK led with Lucas at times, but even that is open for interpretation. I don't think anyone can say for certain that Tubby Smith was going to land both of these players had he stayed. His track record the past couple of seasons is evidence to the contrary, despite the friendly public comments both familes have made.

Every now and again, I have good sources for information that may not be published on the Internet. I have two contacts for this information. One is a person very close to the UK program and the other is involved with the high school all-star game. Both arecredible. I know it hurts those who dreamed about ousting Tubby to hear that both Lucas and Patterson probably would have been committed to UK right now had Tubby not left, but I believe that is the case. You can quote track records as "evidence to the contrary" (you know, landing Meeks, Jasper, Morris, Rondo, Crawford,and Stephenson) and I will accept with confidence the info thetwo people provided.

Caveman Catfan

04-17-2007, 12:53 PM

FCFS82 wrote: I think its time to start looking at Jai and Patrick not being a packaged deal. Jai is needed more at Florida because they have Calathes who can move to the two or the three even. They have a point guard signed for '08 and that can make Lucas the two-guard.

Any team that plans to make Lucas a 2G should lose out on his services. Jai is not a 2G and probably has not desire to play 2G.

BlueHeart

04-17-2007, 01:13 PM

RaleighCat wrote: After watching Oden/Conoly Jr. play for the national title, I expect the teammate/friends combo to become more and more popular for both coaches and players alike. Why not pair up with a player you know, like and compliment on the court? It's not like Lucas and Patterson are going to compete with each other for playing time.

I also recall Rondo and Crawford making the hard sell to Morris on the All Star Game circut. That had to help UK get Morris in the end. Some of these elite players have played together for years by the time they enter college through HS/AAU/Camp/All Star Game connections.

If Gillispie can land both Patterson and Lucas, he's the master. Hands down. Even if we don't get PP/JL, the future is extremely bright for UK in terms of recruiting. We've seen more positive recruiting traction in two weeks than we saw in 52 under the old regime. Kentucky is a player once again!

I agree completely. Add to that Durant and Augustin. It happens quite a bit.

Also, don't forget to factor in the influence of AJ. He seems to be fairly close to these two, and certainly vocal in regards to recruiting to UK.

emily8

04-17-2007, 01:24 PM

Coach Gillispie joined the race for PP and Jai late. Even though they were interested in Kentucky, they were not interested in Texas AM. So, Coach G was off their radar. Ifhe gets these boys it will be a miracle, but he is known as "The Miracle Worker".

I think justthefact that we are still in the running says loads aboutGillispie's recruiting.Go Coach!

I. Melvin

04-17-2007, 01:31 PM

CC - I have no doubt that you are speaking truthfully as regards what you've been told.

My question was always why didn't they commit verbally while Tubby was still here. That would have quelled any serious discontent right then and there.

Why not verbal and publicly or implicitly state that it was contingent on Tubby being the coach?

Caveman Catfan wrote:

Every now and again, I have good sources for information that may not be published on the Internet. I have two contacts for this information. One is a person very close to the UK program and the other is involved with the high school all-star game. Both arecredible. I know it hurts those who dreamed about ousting Tubby to hear that both Lucas and Patterson probably would have been committed to UK right now had Tubby not left, but I believe that is the case. You can quote track records as "evidence to the contrary" (you know, landing Meeks, Jasper, Morris, Rondo, Crawford,and Stephenson) and I will accept with confidence the info thetwo people provided.

VIIBanners

04-17-2007, 01:48 PM

PP and Jai at UK with Tubby<<<<<<<<< a shot at PP and Jai with Gillispie.

modernsportscar

04-17-2007, 03:53 PM

VIIBanners wrote: PP and Jai at UK with Tubby<<<<<<<<< a shot at PP and Jai with Gillispie.

I certainly agree. Even if BG flops (something I highly, highly doubt), I'm all on board for the ride.

BG is insane, and I'm liking it. :D

Caveman Catfan

04-17-2007, 04:22 PM

I. Melvin wrote: CC - I have no doubt that you are speaking truthfully as regards what you've been told.

My question was always why didn't they commit verbally while Tubby was still here. That would have quelled any serious discontent right then and there.

Why not verbal and publicly or implicitly state that it was contingent on Tubby being the coach?

Caveman Catfan wrote:

Every now and again, I have good sources for information that may not be published on the Internet. I have two contacts for this information. One is a person very close to the UK program and the other is involved with the high school all-star game. Both arecredible. I know it hurts those who dreamed about ousting Tubby to hear that both Lucas and Patterson probably would have been committed to UK right now had Tubby not left, but I believe that is the case. You can quote track records as "evidence to the contrary" (you know, landing Meeks, Jasper, Morris, Rondo, Crawford,and Stephenson) and I will accept with confidence the info thetwo people provided.

I was told that Mitch's ambiguous statement late in the season caused the recruits to take pause, because so many people were construing the comments as not being supportive of Tubby.

Although I suspect that contingent verbal commitments do take place, I do not recall any.

bleedbluelady

04-17-2007, 07:41 PM

I. Melvin wrote: CC - I have no doubt that you are speaking truthfully as regards what you've been told.

My question was always why didn't they commit verbally while Tubby was still here. That would have quelled any serious discontent right then and there.

Why not verbal and publicly or implicitly state that it was contingent on Tubby being the coach?

Caveman Catfan wrote:

Every now and again, I have good sources for information that may not be published on the Internet. I have two contacts for this information. One is a person very close to the UK program and the other is involved with the high school all-star game. Both arecredible. I know it hurts those who dreamed about ousting Tubby to hear that both Lucas and Patterson probably would have been committed to UK right now had Tubby not left, but I believe that is the case. You can quote track records as "evidence to the contrary" (you know, landing Meeks, Jasper, Morris, Rondo, Crawford,and Stephenson) and I will accept with confidence the info thetwo people provided.

JMHO, I don't think it would have quelled the serious discontent with most fans. I certainly wouldn't have bet my future on it.

sojourner

04-17-2007, 08:32 PM

Caveman Catfan wrote: I. Melvin wrote: CC - I have no doubt that you are speaking truthfully as regards what you've been told.

My question was always why didn't they commit verbally while Tubby was still here. That would have quelled any serious discontent right then and there.

Why not verbal and publicly or implicitly state that it was contingent on Tubby being the coach?

Caveman Catfan wrote:

Every now and again, I have good sources for information that may not be published on the Internet. I have two contacts for this information. One is a person very close to the UK program and the other is involved with the high school all-star game. Both arecredible. I know it hurts those who dreamed about ousting Tubby to hear that both Lucas and Patterson probably would have been committed to UK right now had Tubby not left, but I believe that is the case. You can quote track records as "evidence to the contrary" (you know, landing Meeks, Jasper, Morris, Rondo, Crawford,and Stephenson) and I will accept with confidence the info thetwo people provided.

I was told that Mitch's ambiguous statement late in the season caused the recruits to take pause, because so many people were construing the comments as not being supportive of Tubby.

Although I suspect that contingent verbal commitments do take place, I do not recall any.

I think all verbal commitments are contingent at some level. If not then we would not have been even thinking about the recruit for Texas A & M.

Caveman Catfan

04-17-2007, 09:53 PM

sojourner wrote: I think all verbal commitments are contingent at some level. If not then we would not have been even thinking about the recruit for Texas A & M.
I am not sure about your meaning. The A&M player signed a written letter of intent. He needed a release from that LOI to be eligible. If not, he would have been a transfer and would have had to sit a year.

poodoo

04-19-2007, 11:26 AM

bleedbluelady wrote: I. Melvin wrote: CC - I have no doubt that you are speaking truthfully as regards what you've been told.

My question was always why didn't they commit verbally while Tubby was still here. That would have quelled any serious discontent right then and there.

Why not verbal and publicly or implicitly state that it was contingent on Tubby being the coach?

Caveman Catfan wrote:

Every now and again, I have good sources for information that may not be published on the Internet. I have two contacts for this information. One is a person very close to the UK program and the other is involved with the high school all-star game. Both arecredible. I know it hurts those who dreamed about ousting Tubby to hear that both Lucas and Patterson probably would have been committed to UK right now had Tubby not left, but I believe that is the case. You can quote track records as "evidence to the contrary" (you know, landing Meeks, Jasper, Morris, Rondo, Crawford,and Stephenson) and I will accept with confidence the info thetwo people provided.

JMHO, I don't think it would have quelled the serious discontent with most fans. I certainly wouldn't have bet my future on it.

I think you are right there, bleedbluelady. Too, FWIW, Caveman is right that folks close to the program were saying then, and are still saying now, that both young men were reportedly going to beCats. Further, he is right that the recruits shared their concerns about whether Tubby would still be here and its relation to their waiting. That's "water under the bridge," though, and there are certainly never any guarantees until the ink is dry, besides Tubby's not having a good track record in signing guys we had expected to sign.

The GOOD part is that both young men are STILL considering UK (although Patterson was evidently ready to cross off Kentucky UNTIL he actually met with Gillisipie, based on his comments in an article after Gillispie's visit), andTHAT is my focus (since thinking about the other scenario is irrelevant and many UK fans are not going to accept its likelihood, anyway). The fan base is now more contented and united. Hopefully, it will soon be even more contented by our signing at least one of those two young men.

Caveman Catfan

04-20-2007, 08:18 AM

poodoo wrote: That's "water under the bridge,"

Agreed.

blueheretic

04-20-2007, 09:52 AM

that Tubby would have closed, had he remained.

:shrug: I'm not saying anything to that...

Caveman Catfan

04-20-2007, 09:55 AM

blueheretic wrote: that Tubby would have closed, had he remained.

:shrug: I'm not saying anything to that...
Hhhhhmmm . . . I think you just did. :shrug:

blueheretic

04-20-2007, 10:04 AM

People "close to the program" were saying that Billy D was a done deal, that Wright was as good as signed, that Barnes was being offered, that Morris was staying, that Hansborough was on the way, that Lee was coming, that Duhon was coming, they even said that Elvis was seen at Rupp Arena with Ashley Judd tyring to pry a bourbon bon bon out ofWynonas hands.

I'm not saying that I don't believe them but....I don't believe them. The rumours I distrust the most come from people "close to the program"and that is especially true during theSmith era.

blueheretic

04-20-2007, 10:08 AM

Oh yeah and the Grand Daddy of all "people close to the program" rumours.

Smith isn't going anywhere.

Yep, people "close to the program" have a great track record.

I've been hearing silent verbal rumours for years now. Duhon, Lee, Hansborough, the Dariuskid who went to Miami, Wright, Jason Williams. You name a top recruit and he hasgiven Smith a silent verbal. lol

Funny, they never became actual verbals. But now, we are supposed to beleive that not one but two were actually going to follow through and honor the old silent 007 verbal for Smith. lol

George Strait wrote a song about that...

poodoo

04-20-2007, 01:25 PM

Well, the evidence points to therehaving beenan excellent chance of that, particularly based on the words of the recruits themselves and their families. Too,someof thosefolks"close to the program" were recruiting experts who had actually talked to the recruits.Regardless, again, there are no guarantees until that ink is dry, andadmittedly, again, some deals had fallen through in the past.No one will ever know for sure. Most of all, again, it's "water under the bridge,"and it is essentially irrelevant to the present and the future.

What DOES MATTER is that Coach Gillisipie has kept Kentucky on those twoyoung men's list. I'm hoping with all my heart that he is able to convince them to become Cats (even one of the two would make me happy :)). He has certainly won me over, besides most all Cat fans, and I'm not giving up on his possibly doing the same with Patterson and Lucas. :)Let's ALL hope it happens! :D

Caveman Catfan

04-20-2007, 01:27 PM

I guess you could not resist. :lol:

TrueblueCATfan

04-20-2007, 01:54 PM

blueheretic wrote: Oh yeah and the Grand Daddy of all "people close to the program" rumours.

Smith isn't going anywhere.

Yep, people "close to the program" have a great track record.

I've been hearing silent verbal rumours for years now. Duhon, Lee, Hansborough, the Dariuskid who went to Miami, Wright, Jason Williams. You name a top recruit and he hasgiven Smith a silent verbal. lol

Funny, they never became actual verbals. But now, we are supposed to beleive that not one but two were actually going to follow through and honor the old silent 007 verbal for Smith. lol

George Strait wrote a song about that...

I love George Strait..one of these days that man will win Entertainer of the Year