I told everyone that Florida isn't that good...

[Mr. T]

lost to South Carolina again.... 71-67

[Aike]

They're still good. A few years back we won the SEC but got swept by Georgia. It happens.

[trublue4life]

And I told everyone that South Carolina was a lot better than their record shows. I still say that we played an excellent game against them in our win at home and it took it to beat them. They are as athletic as any team we have faced this year, and when they shoot the ball well theyare going to be tough for anyone. Don't forget; this team only lost a couple of players from last season's NIT championship team.I'm not looking forward to the return trip to Columbia.

[Mr. T]

trublue4life wrote: And I told everyone that South Carolina was a lot better than their record shows. I still say that we played an excellent game against them in our win at home and it took it to beat them. They are as athletic as any team we have faced this year, and when they shoot the ball well theyare going to be tough for anyone. Don't forget; this team only lost a couple of players from last season's NIT championship team.I'm not looking forward to the return trip to Columbia.

I admit USC isn't a bunch of losers, but no way is Florida a top 10 (or even 15) team IMO. We made them look much better than they really are the other night.

[Aike]

I don't want to get in a shouting match about this, but the problem with a blanket statement like, "they're not even top 10 or top 15," forces you to come up with a list of 10 to 15 better teams.

I don't think Florida is a capital G Great team, but they've certainly earned Top 10 status with their play to this point in the season.

Mr. T wrote: trublue4life wrote: And I told everyone that South Carolina was a lot better than their record shows. I still say that we played an excellent game against them in our win at home and it took it to beat them. They are as athletic as any team we have faced this year, and when they shoot the ball well theyare going to be tough for anyone. Don't forget; this team only lost a couple of players from last season's NIT championship team.I'm not looking forward to the return trip to Columbia.

I admit USC isn't a bunch of losers, but no way is Florida a top 10 (or even 15) team IMO. We made them look much better than they really are the other night.

[Mr. T]

Aike wrote: I don't want to get in a shouting match about this, but the problem with a blanket statement like, "they're not even top 10 or top 15," forces you to come up with a list of 10 to 15 better teams.

I don't think Florida is a capital G Great team, but they've certainly earned Top 10 status with their play to this point in the season.

Mr. T wrote: trublue4life wrote: And I told everyone that South Carolina was a lot better than their record shows. I still say that we played an excellent game against them in our win at home and it took it to beat them. They are as athletic as any team we have faced this year, and when they shoot the ball well theyare going to be tough for anyone. Don't forget; this team only lost a couple of players from last season's NIT championship team.I'm not looking forward to the return trip to Columbia.

I admit USC isn't a bunch of losers, but no way is Florida a top 10 (or even 15) team IMO. We made them look much better than they really are the other night.


I didn't bother counting the number but here is a list for you:

Connecticut
Duke
Memphis
Villanova
Gonzaga
Texas
Illinois
West Virginia
Michigan St.
UCLA
Pittsburgh
N.C. State
Georgetown
Ohio St.
Iowa
Michigan

[Aike]

OK, I guess you told us then. Think I'll just stick with the polls and the computers for now.

Not thinking that Florida is top ten is cool with me. It's a perfectly respectable opinion. Pulling an "I told ya so" because they've lost all of three games seems a little over the top, though. I've just got a sore spot for opinions that are treated as facts. Call me crazy.

[Will Lavender]

South Carolina's a good team. I'll argue it to the death with anyone.

This isn't your daddy's SEC. Okay, I don't know what that even means. But the SEC isn't bad; it's definitely better than it was this year. Dickie V's "they lost a lot of players" theory is stupid. We lost - what? - six players total to early entry?

[Mr. T]

The polls aren't "fact", all they are is opinion as well. Their RPI was 14 and that will take a plunge after tonight. You asked for a list of teams, I gave it too you. Every team I listed I think has better wins than Florida. Florida has a gaudy win total, but when you consider that their SOS is 100+ it's no wonder. They're a paper tiger built on an easy schedule, just like Louisville was early in the year.

[blUK]

i didnt think they were that good at first either but i think uf is for real... they play like a team.. more than i can say for a certain other so called"team"

[Mr. T]

Will Lavender wrote: South Carolina's a good team. I'll argue it to the death with anyone.

This isn't your daddy's SEC. Okay, I don't know what that even means. But the SEC isn't bad; it's definitely better than it was this year. Dickie V's "they lost a lot of players" theory is stupid. We lost - what? - six players total to early entry?



They have losses to Temple, Georgia, got POUNDED by Clemson, struggled to beat Alaska-Anchorage and Monmouth. That isn't the makings of a Good team. A decent team maybe. Regardless, if Florida was a top 15 team they sure as hell shouldn't get SWEPT by them.

I know it is hard to Accept that the SEC isn't a good conference as that makes us look even worse, but the facts are the facts.

[Mr. T]

blUK wrote: i didnt think they were that good at first either but i think uf is for real... they play like a team.. more than i can say for a certain other so called"team"

Tell me a single good team that Florida has beaten? Their signature wins were Syracuse and Wake Forest, well we see what kind of teams they are. Easy to have the record they have when you play the competition they played. They played no one out of conference. They could still lose 3-4 more conference games. They still have to play Tennessee again, AT Vandy, AT Arkansas, AT Bama, and against LSU in Gainesville.

[Aike]

The polls have opinions, you have opinions, bully for you. Your post indicated that you thought Florida's loss tonight proved your theory that they aren't that good. I disagree. My opinion is that they are pretty good. It's all good. Let's just agree to disagree.

Mr. T wrote: The polls aren't "fact", all they are is opinion as well. Their RPI was 14 and that will take a plunge after tonight. You asked for a list of teams, I gave it too you. Every team I listed I think has better wins than Florida. Florida has a gaudy win total, but when you consider that their SOS is 100+ it's no wonder. They're a paper tiger built on an easy schedule, just like Louisville was early in the year.

[Mr. T]

Aike wrote: The polls have opinions, you have opinions, bully for you. Your post indicated that you thought Florida's loss tonight proved your theory that they aren't that good. I disagree. My opinion is that they are pretty good. It's all good. Let's just agree to disagree.

Mr. T wrote: The polls aren't "fact", all they are is opinion as well. Their RPI was 14 and that will take a plunge after tonight. You asked for a list of teams, I gave it too you. Every team I listed I think has better wins than Florida. Florida has a gaudy win total, but when you consider that their SOS is 100+ it's no wonder. They're a paper tiger built on an easy schedule, just like Louisville was early in the year.


That's what message boards are for is discussion. I was never holding a gun to your head. Just presenting evidence.

[scars.of.grace]

Well, I do want to stick with what I originally thought about the Gators: That their record was a product of a very weak non-conference schedule. They played then No. 19 Wake Forest and then No. 16 Syracuse very early in the season, both of whom have had tough seasons (Granted, the Cuse is 16-6, soon to be 16-7 after the UConn game tonight, but they have also struggled against the better teams; meanwhile, Wake is now something like 12-11). They played a better Tennessee team at Knoxville and got beat.

I think the adrenaline of playing Kentucky and playing in front of their home crowd really propelled them to victory against the Cats, coupled with things Kentucky just didn't do right in the second half.

I do think that Florida is probably around, or on the outside of the top 15 (probably anywhere from 14-18), which is still pretty good.

[Aike]

I just don't like that "I told ya so" crap after one game. Now if they lose 3 of their next 4, then you might have room to crow.

Mr. T wrote: Aike wrote: The polls have opinions, you have opinions, bully for you. Your post indicated that you thought Florida's loss tonight proved your theory that they aren't that good. I disagree. My opinion is that they are pretty good. It's all good. Let's just agree to disagree.

Mr. T wrote: The polls aren't "fact", all they are is opinion as well. Their RPI was 14 and that will take a plunge after tonight. You asked for a list of teams, I gave it too you. Every team I listed I think has better wins than Florida. Florida has a gaudy win total, but when you consider that their SOS is 100+ it's no wonder. They're a paper tiger built on an easy schedule, just like Louisville was early in the year.


That's what message boards are for is discussion. I was never holding a gun to your head. Just presenting evidence.

[Classof93]

blUK wrote: i didnt think they were that good at first either but i think uf is for real... they play like a team.. more than i can say for a certain other so called"team"

Fla. is good, I think top 20. I would have said top 15 before tonight. Obviously they are still young. They will be much better next year. The thing is you could argue that they are top 10 as well. Quite frankly other than UConn, there isn't much difference between 2-30.

[Will Lavender]

Mr. T wrote: Will Lavender wrote: South Carolina's a good team. I'll argue it to the death with anyone.

This isn't your daddy's SEC. Okay, I don't know what that even means. But the SEC isn't bad; it's definitely better than it was this year. Dickie V's "they lost a lot of players" theory is stupid. We lost - what? - six players total to early entry?



They have losses to Temple, Georgia, got POUNDED by Clemson, struggled to beat Alaska-Anchorage and Monmouth. That isn't the makings of a Good team. A decent team maybe. Regardless, if Florida was a top 15 team they sure as hell shouldn't get SWEPT by them.

I know it is hard to Accept that the SEC isn't a good conference as that makes us look even worse, but the facts are the facts.

Teams get better as the season goes on, though. You cite examples from early in the season. The team I saw in Rupp was a good team. No two ways around it. (They also nearly beat Marquette, and Marquette crushed the #1 team in the country.)

Duke struggled with Drexel. West Virginia was crushed by UK. Vanderbilt beat Georgetown. Arkansas beat Kansas. LSU beat West Virginia and barely lost to Connecticut, and then was beaten by Arkansas tonight.

This is just the way college basketball is.

There are SO MANY good teams that I think we're looking at a situation this year where I see about 25 possible Final Four teams.

[SouthBeachWildcat]

West Virginia lost to us and we are just plain terrible, so you better take them off your list huh Mr. T?

[Aike]

Exactly.

Classof93 wrote: blUK wrote: i didnt think they were that good at first either but i think uf is for real... they play like a team.. more than i can say for a certain other so called"team"

Fla. is good, I think top 20. I would have said top 15 before tonight. Obviously they are still young. They will be much better next year. The thing is you could argue that they are top 10 as well. Quite frankly other than UConn, there isn't much difference between 2-30.

[Classof93]

Will Lavender wrote: Mr. T wrote: Will Lavender wrote: South Carolina's a good team. I'll argue it to the death with anyone.

This isn't your daddy's SEC. Okay, I don't know what that even means. But the SEC isn't bad; it's definitely better than it was this year. Dickie V's "they lost a lot of players" theory is stupid. We lost - what? - six players total to early entry?



They have losses to Temple, Georgia, got POUNDED by Clemson, struggled to beat Alaska-Anchorage and Monmouth. That isn't the makings of a Good team. A decent team maybe. Regardless, if Florida was a top 15 team they sure as hell shouldn't get SWEPT by them.

I know it is hard to Accept that the SEC isn't a good conference as that makes us look even worse, but the facts are the facts.

Teams get better as the season goes on, though. You cite examples from early in the season. The team I saw in Rupp was a good team. No two ways around it. (They also nearly beat Marquette, and Marquette crushed the #1 team in the country.)

Duke struggled with Drexel. West Virginia was crushed by UK. Vanderbilt beat Georgetown. Arkansas beat Kansas. LSU beat West Virginia and barely lost to Connecticut, and then was beaten by Arkansas tonight.

This is just the way college basketball is.

There are SO MANY good teams that I think we're looking at a situation this year where I see about 25 possible Final Four teams.


Will, we had the same thought almost simultaneously.

[Mr. T]

Will Lavender wrote: Mr. T wrote: Will Lavender wrote: South Carolina's a good team. I'll argue it to the death with anyone.

This isn't your daddy's SEC. Okay, I don't know what that even means. But the SEC isn't bad; it's definitely better than it was this year. Dickie V's "they lost a lot of players" theory is stupid. We lost - what? - six players total to early entry?



They have losses to Temple, Georgia, got POUNDED by Clemson, struggled to beat Alaska-Anchorage and Monmouth. That isn't the makings of a Good team. A decent team maybe. Regardless, if Florida was a top 15 team they sure as hell shouldn't get SWEPT by them.

I know it is hard to Accept that the SEC isn't a good conference as that makes us look even worse, but the facts are the facts.

Teams get better as the season goes on, though. You cite examples from early in the season. The team I saw in Rupp was a good team. No two ways around it. (They also nearly beat Marquette, and Marquette crushed the #1 team in the country.)

Duke struggled with Drexel. West Virginia was crushed by UK. Vanderbilt beat Georgetown. Arkansas beat Kansas. LSU beat West Virginia and barely lost to Connecticut, and then was beaten by Arkansas tonight.

This is just the way college basketball is.

There are SO MANY good teams that I think we're looking at a situation this year where I see about 25 possible Final Four teams.


I agree, sort of. However WV, Duke, Georgetown, while they struggled early are taking care of bizness in conference for the most part, but USC isn't. I mean 2 of their 3 (only 3 sec wins) have come at the expense of Florida.

Also keep in mind that Florida still has the toughest part of their SEC schedule coming up and they have already lost 3.

[Mr. T]

SouthBeachWildcat wrote: West Virginia lost to us and we are just plain terrible, so you better take them off your list huh Mr. T?

Unlike Florida they have some quality wins however. See it's not just who Florida has lost to, it's about who have they beaten as well. The answer to the second question is nobody.

Like I said, someone please tell me one good team that Florida has beaten. No one has mentioned one yet.

[I. Melvin]

Michigan?

Bwahahahahaha!!!

[trublue4life]

Mr. T wrote: SouthBeachWildcat wrote: West Virginia lost to us and we are just plain terrible, so you better take them off your list huh Mr. T?

Unlike Florida they have some quality wins however. See it's not just who Florida has lost to, it's about who have they beaten as well. The answer to the second question is nobody.

Like I said, someone please tell me one good team that Florida has beaten. No one has mentioned one yet.
Your assesment of the Gators is hard to argue with. Billy D. subscribes to the Ricky P. philosophy of non-conference scheduling, and you are right; they really have no major quality wins. I do think they have top 15 talent but like us they depend haevily on a lot of young players. As someone pointed out on another thread last year's dominant group of seniors from UNC only went 19-11 as sophmores.

[Will Lavender]

Mr. T wrote: SouthBeachWildcat wrote: West Virginia lost to us and we are just plain terrible, so you better take them off your list huh Mr. T?

Unlike Florida they have some quality wins however. See it's not just who Florida has lost to, it's about who have they beaten as well. The answer to the second question is nobody.

Like I said, someone please tell me one good team that Florida has beaten. No one has mentioned one yet.

Florida State and Miami are pretty good teams. Syracuse is okay. Vandy is decent. I saw Ole Miss play Tennessee, and I think Ole Miss could beat some teams. Kentucky.

Not a great team there. But I think that's a loaded argument. The "They haven't beaten anybody" line has been going around for years, and it really doesn't mean much. I heard it about Louisville last year for three months solid, and they laughed all the way to the Final Four. Heard it about West Virginia, too. Heard it about Kentucky a lot in 2003 and thought it was basically a heap of BS.

You play who's on your schedule. Everything shakes out in March. We'll see, I guess.

[Aike]

They've beaten the teams on their schedule. They've beaten Syracuse and Wake, and it's not their fault that those teams have fallen off since then. If Syracuse and Wake had knocked off Florida, maybe that would have helped propel them to better seasons. Who knows? Had Florida lost those two early games, maybe Florida would have tanked and had 7 or 8 losses by now. It really is a funny game.

Your logic as to why you don't think Florida is a top team is sound. I really have no problem with it. You may turn out to be right. Like I tried to say before, it was your "I told ya so" tone that rubbed me the wrong way. It kind of reminds me of the 2004 UK football season, when UK beat Indiana and a poster immediately started a thread telling doubters to "Eat Crow." Needless to say, that gentleman was feeling mighty sheepish by a few games later.

I'm just saying maybe let the dust settle a little before you start calling people out or painting yourself a prophet. On second thought, don't go painting any prophets any time soon.:ggrin:


Mr. T wrote: SouthBeachWildcat wrote: West Virginia lost to us and we are just plain terrible, so you better take them off your list huh Mr. T?

Unlike Florida they have some quality wins however. See it's not just who Florida has lost to, it's about who have they beaten as well. The answer to the second question is nobody.

Like I said, someone please tell me one good team that Florida has beaten. No one has mentioned one yet.

[Mr. T]

I. Melvin wrote: Michigan?

Bwahahahahaha!!!




Hmmmmm lets see.... Michigan pounded Miami by 21 Florida beat them by 10. Michigan also has wins over Mich St and Wisconsin, better than ANY win on Florida's resume. Also played Indiana, UCLA and Illinois all pretty tough. So yeah I think I at least have a decent argument for putting them ahead of Florida. ALL of Michigans 4 losses were to top 25 teams. Can Florida say that? That's what I thought.

[Mr. T]

Aike wrote: They've beaten the teams on their schedule. They've beaten Syracuse and Wake, and it's not their fault that those teams have fallen off since then. If Syracuse and Wake had knocked off Florida, maybe that would have helped propel them to better seasons. Who knows? Had Florida lost those two early games, maybe Florida would have tanked and had 7 or 8 losses by now. It really is a funny game.

Your logic as to why you don't think Florida is a top team is sound. I really have no problem with it. You may turn out to be right. Like I tried to say before, it was your "I told ya so" tone that rubbed me the wrong way. It kind of reminds me of the 2004 UK football season, when UK beat Indiana and a poster immediately started a thread telling doubters to "Eat Crow." Needless to say, that gentleman was feeling mighty sheepish by a few games later.

I'm just saying maybe let the dust settle a little before you start calling people out or painting yourself a prophet. On second thought, don't go painting any prophets any time soon.:ggrin:


Mr. T wrote: SouthBeachWildcat wrote: West Virginia lost to us and we are just plain terrible, so you better take them off your list huh Mr. T?

Unlike Florida they have some quality wins however. See it's not just who Florida has lost to, it's about who have they beaten as well. The answer to the second question is nobody.

Like I said, someone please tell me one good team that Florida has beaten. No one has mentioned one yet.


No doubt they beat who they played. But saying they are top 15 because of that is like saying Louisville shoulda been in a BCS bowl a couple years ago because they beat everyone in CUSA.... I mean they beat who they played right? Sorry but like it or not, your level of competition does (AND SHOULD) be reflected in your rankings.

[Aike]

I could also mention that Florida was ranked 6th in the Sagarin ratings before tonight. Presumably, that ranking is unbiased. I realize that it is just another opinion. A computer's opinion.

OT-Any chance that you're related to Snorenado?

[Mr. T]

Nope not related. Don't even know who he is. I was wildcatfan1978 on the *ahem* "old" board.

Also look at the SOS on the Sagarin..... 216th in the nation... are you frikkin kidding me? Also 0-1 vs the top 30. Sagarin, I believe takes into account margin of victory. Of course playing Savannah State helped pad that....

[Aike]

Do we want to pick this debate up again or is everyone satisfied?

[DCWildcat]

Aike wrote: Do we want to pick this debate up again or is everyone satisfied?


Heheheh, a grudge bump.

But you know teams change, and this isn't a valid thing to bring up.

[Aike]

Yeah, whatever.

Team's change? Florida has been good all year except for a rough patch midway through the conference season. A conference, btw, that I don't think is being dissed as much as it was six weeks ago.

Florida had just blasted UK, but then the loss to South Carolina prompted this thread. I laid my case out at the time, but was willing to let the dust settle. I think the dust has settled.

Had Florida flamed out the way that they have many years, I would have come back and told Mr. T that it looks like he was right. But, after a second consecutive SEC tourney championship, and an Elite Eight appearance, I think Florida has proven their mettle. I kind of wondered if Mr. T has changed his stance, or if he would spin things the way that you just did.

DCWildcat wrote: Aike wrote: Do we want to pick this debate up again or is everyone satisfied?


Heheheh, a grudge bump.

But you know teams change, and this isn't a valid thing to bring up.

[Lost Highway]

Aike, you got that right. :thumbup

Florida may not win another game this year but they proved they belong with the Big Boys. They are a solid team and very young. Let's hope UK can get back to theGator's level.

[DCWildcat]

Aike wrote: Yeah, whatever.

Team's change? Florida has been good all year except for a rough patch midway through the conference season. A conference, btw, that I don't think is being dissed as much as it was six weeks ago.

Florida had just blasted UK, but then the loss to South Carolina prompted this thread. I laid my case out at the time, but was willing to let the dust settle. I think the dust has settled.

Had Florida flamed out the way that they have many years, I would have come back and told Mr. T that it looks like he was right. But, after a second consecutive SEC tourney championship, and an Elite Eight appearance, I think Florida has proven their mettle. I kind of wondered if Mr. T has changed his stance, or if he would spin things the way that you just did.

DCWildcat wrote: Aike wrote: Do we want to pick this debate up again or is everyone satisfied?


Heheheh, a grudge bump.

But you know teams change, and this isn't a valid thing to bring up.


Aike,

Reread what I wrote, then decide if your post actually rebutted the point I made. Also, chill out. That's an amazingly bitter response to 2 sentences in an internet chat room that you misinterpreted. I don't hate you, I'm not attacking you, we're cool. I respect your opinion.

[Aike]

I read your post to say that it was not valid for me to bring this up. I thought you were also saying that Florida is a different team now than they were then. If I am misunderstanding you, then I apologize.

DCWildcat wrote: Aike wrote: Yeah, whatever.

Team's change? Florida has been good all year except for a rough patch midway through the conference season. A conference, btw, that I don't think is being dissed as much as it was six weeks ago.

Florida had just blasted UK, but then the loss to South Carolina prompted this thread. I laid my case out at the time, but was willing to let the dust settle. I think the dust has settled.

Had Florida flamed out the way that they have many years, I would have come back and told Mr. T that it looks like he was right. But, after a second consecutive SEC tourney championship, and an Elite Eight appearance, I think Florida has proven their mettle. I kind of wondered if Mr. T has changed his stance, or if he would spin things the way that you just did.

DCWildcat wrote: Aike wrote: Do we want to pick this debate up again or is everyone satisfied?


Heheheh, a grudge bump.

But you know teams change, and this isn't a valid thing to bring up.


Aike,

Reread what I wrote, then decide if your post actually rebutted the point I made. Also, chill out. That's an amazingly bitter response to 2 sentences in an internet chat room that you misinterpreted. I don't hate you, I'm not attacking you, we're cool. I respect your opinion.

[Athens2005]

A

[wyldkatzky]

Whats your deal?

This topic was not posted in for a month and a half.

Bringing up old debates is useless because hindsight is 20/20.

Aike wrote: Do we want to pick this debate up again or is everyone satisfied?

[Aike]

My deal is that I'm having a little fun. Mr. T posted this a month and a half ago and was very "I told ya so" about the whole thing.

I thought Florida was good then, as they are now. Mr. T was adamant that they were not. He acted like their second loss to South Carolina was proof that they weren't good. He left no room for the possibility that they might be a good team, that he might be mistaken. Read the whole thread if you haven't.

Mr. T didn't say that they had a couple tough losses, but he could see them developing. He said that they just weren't that good. A paper tiger, he said.

So like I said, I'm just having a little fun. I wondered if Mr. T would jump up and say, "Ya know, they were pretty good after all." Or, if he would spin that they've just had an easy road, and played one lucky game. ;) Pardon me for using someone else's own words against them. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on whether it is useless or not.

wyldkatzky wrote: Whats your deal?

This topic was not posted in for a month and a half.

Bringing up old debates is useless because hindsight is 20/20.

Aike wrote: Do we want to pick this debate up again or is everyone satisfied?

[blueheretic]

Aike wrote: My deal is that I'm having a little fun. Mr. T posted this a month and a half ago and was very "I told ya so" about the whole thing.

I thought Florida was good then, as they are now. Mr. T was adamant that they were not. He acted like their second loss to South Carolina was proof that they weren't good. He left no room for the possibility that they might be a good team, that he might be mistaken. Read the whole thread if you haven't.

Mr. T didn't say that they had a couple tough losses, but he could see them developing. He said that they just weren't that good. A paper tiger, he said.

So like I said, I'm just having a little fun. I wondered if Mr. T would jump up and say, "Ya know, they were pretty good after all." Or, if he would spin that they've just had an easy road, and played one lucky game. ;) Pardon me for using someone else's own words against them. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on whether it is useless or not.

wyldkatzky wrote: Whats your deal?

This topic was not posted in for a month and a half.

Bringing up old debates is useless because hindsight is 20/20.

Aike wrote: Do we want to pick this debate up again or is everyone satisfied?



I think it's hilarious.

I hope someday someone will drudge up some of my Tubby will never make it to the Final Four posts and throw them in my face. That wouldmake me one happy dude.

[Aike]

:D I believe you.

blueheretic wrote: Aike wrote:


I think it's hilarious.

I hope someday someone will drudge up some of my Tubby will never make it to the Final Four posts and throw them in my face. That wouldmake me one happy dude.

[Stucat]

Aike wrote: :D I believe you.

blueheretic wrote: Aike wrote:


I think it's hilarious.

I hope someday someone will drudge up some of my Tubby will never make it to the Final Four posts and throw them in my face. That wouldmake me one happy dude.


I think Florida is a far better team than the season has shown. Their team is far better than Villanova or Memphis who were Number 1 seeds.

[Aike]

Florida lost six games, with six points being the largest margin of defeat. There was a point in the season where I thought they may still lack the killer closing instinct that has eluded them of late. I think it is safe to say that they have turned the corner.

Stucat wrote: Aike wrote: :D I believe you.

blueheretic wrote: Aike wrote:


I think it's hilarious.

I hope someday someone will drudge up some of my Tubby will never make it to the Final Four posts and throw them in my face. That wouldmake me one happy dude.


I think Florida is a far better team than the season has shown. Their team is far better than Villanova or Memphis who were Number 1 seeds.

[Mr. T]

Aike wrote: Florida lost six games, with six points being the largest margin of defeat. There was a point in the season where I thought they may still lack the killer closing instinct that has eluded them of late. I think it is safe to say that they have turned the corner.

Stucat wrote: Aike wrote: :D I believe you.

blueheretic wrote: Aike wrote:


I think it's hilarious.

I hope someday someone will drudge up some of my Tubby will never make it to the Final Four posts and throw them in my face. That wouldmake me one happy dude.


I think Florida is a far better team than the season has shown. Their team is far better than Villanova or Memphis who were Number 1 seeds.


Wow, you get your rocks off by bringing up old posts to try and gloat. Really, I'm crushed. I still stand by my statement that they had one of the easiest paths to the Final Four in recent memory. They had one really tough game and of all the 1 seeds they had to face, they got one that they had a total mismatch against size wise. I'm sorry, I should just bow down to Florida as the greatest team of all time :rolleyes:.

Regardless, big whoop-de-doo. At the time I had facts on my side, but things change of course. I said the same about Tennessee and was shown to be totally correct, so at 50% I am doing at least as well as the ESPN "experts" :ggrin:. I still DON'T think that Florida was all that good. Of course that was then and this is now and at the moment they are playing very well. Being a grown up (unlike yourself) I can admit that.

[Athens2005]

No one's talking about simple predictions here.

We're talking about your refusal to recognize 6 weeks ago that Florida was a good team.


Your so-called "facts" were just evidence, and evidence that was refuted by many on this board.

But no, Mr. T had to hold firm that he was right.

When you turn opinions into facts, you get scenarios like this.

You didn't know anything. But, instead of just stating things as is if they were your opinion, you basically told other posters that they were wrong for defending Florida.

Others were willing to admit that maybe Florida would fold, but that your "facts" were not facts, they were simply evidences that could be viewed differently.

[Mr. T]

Man what are you talking about. It's a message board. EVERYTHING on here is opinion. That is what the purpose is. There isn't a way for me to present what I said as fact as it INHERENTLY IS an opinion. My OPINION was wrong. Glad that the I told ya so's could made you feel the better man.

[Aike]

We learned from the master.:ggrin:

Mr. T wrote: Glad that the I told ya so's could made you feel the better man.

[Mr. T]

First, I didn't call anyone out and the post sure wasn't directed at anyone in particular.

Second, during and after this post they went 5-6 in an 11 game stretch with the lone "good" win being LSU. The others were over us, Vandy x2 and Ole Miss. So at THAT TIME and the couple weeks after they weren't playing well at all. Obviously they got hot around SEC tourney time.

Easy for you to be the big man now of course. Had they flamed out like the other years you wouldn't have had any ammunition to use against me I guess. Lucky for you then eh?

[Athens2005]

Mr. T wrote: Man what are you talking about. It's a message board. EVERYTHING on here is opinion. That is what the purpose is. There isn't a way for me to present what I said as fact as it INHERENTLY IS an opinion. My OPINION was wrong. Glad that the I told ya so's could made you feel the better man.

No, genius, everything on here is not an opinion.

Just yesterday, the question was asked: When was the last time that no #1 seeds made the Final Four?
A: 1980.

Fact, not opinion.


Opinion: Florida losing to SC 2x proves that they aren't good.

You really need to stop responding and take a breath. You're really making yourself look bad.

[KY Blue in Carolina]

Everybody needs to step back and chill a bit.

[Mr. T]

LMAO. Didn't realize that I would have to preface everything that is obviously an opinion, by stating that it is in fact an opinion. I guess I need one of those disclaimers like before infomercials.

Doesn't change the fact that what was said, was OBVIOUSLY an opinion. I will however make sure to preface things in the future for the very few on this board that are incapable of discerning the difference.

[Athens2005]

Mr. T wrote: LMAO. Didn't realize that I would have to preface everything that is obviously an opinion, by stating that it is in fact an opinion. I guess I need one of those disclaimers like before infomercials.

Doesn't change the fact that what was said, was OBVIOUSLY an opinion. I will however make sure to preface things in the future for the very few on this board that are incapable of discerning the difference.


Digging a deeper hole.

Seriously, do you even read what you write?

Maybe, you can go back to UK and have some of your old English Professors check them.

[Mr. T]

Digging a deeper hole how? By correctly stating the fact that what I initially posted is and always was an opinion. Anytime someone states "X team isn't any good" it is an opinion. There is no definition of fact as "X team isn't any good" is not a provable statement. However saying "X team made the final four" is a provable statement and therefore can be stated as a fact (or falsehood).

[Athens2005]

Mr. T wrote: Digging a deeper hole how? By correctly stating the fact that what I initially posted is and always was an opinion. Anytime someone states "X team isn't any good" it is an opinion. There is no definition of fact as "X team isn't any good" is not a provable statement. However saying "X team made the final four" is a provable statement and therefore can be stated as a fact (or falsehood).
Your belligerence on these threads left litte breathing room for others to disagree with you.

That is why people were quick to bring these back up.

Even your backtreading lacks the humility one might expect from someone who was so obviously wrong on two different lengthy threads.

Peace.

[wildcat74]

Not sure I understand what the point of bringing these two old posts back is other than to say "I told you so", which seems sort of adolescent, jmo.

[Athens2005]

wildcat74 wrote: Not sure I understand what the point of bringing these two old posts back is other than to say "I told you so", which seems sort of adolescent, jmo.

I think the point in bringing them up was that they came across as "I told you so" posts in the 1st place.

Feel free to read the entire threads.

It's kind of interesting.

[Mr. T]

Athens2005 wrote: Mr. T wrote: Digging a deeper hole how? By correctly stating the fact that what I initially posted is and always was an opinion. Anytime someone states "X team isn't any good" it is an opinion. There is no definition of fact as "X team isn't any good" is not a provable statement. However saying "X team made the final four" is a provable statement and therefore can be stated as a fact (or falsehood).
Your belligerence on these threads left litte breathing room for others to disagree with you.

That is why people were quick to bring these back up.

Even your backtreading lacks the humility one might expect from someone who was so obviously wrong on two different lengthy threads.

Peace.


There was and always is plenty of room to disagree. I don't live in a world where people just say "oh you are wrong but I don't have evidence or anything else to backupmy statement". If you want to take part in the discussion provide some evidence for your point, otherwise you are just talking hot air. Obviously everyone that disagreed with me has the evidence on their side now.

I really don't have a problem with someone bringing it up and prodding me a little bit. As I have already stated a few times, I was wrong and people are giving me some ribbing about it. But you want to start in with this fact vs opinion BS on something that was obviously my opinion. So either you don't understand the difference or your just being a jack-arse.

As far as my "back-treading". I said Florida was playing well now... which is (opinion coming) true. On the other hand at the time this was made Florida had lost 3 out of their last 6 games with the wins being over us, Vandy, and Ole Miss. They then proceded to LOSE 3 out of the next 5. So at the time what I was saying (IMO again) was absolutely true. They had a stretch of 11-12 games where they WERE NOT very good at all. Obviously they put things together at the end of the year and are playing very well now, which is what I have said. Like Aike said somewhere they developed that ability to put teams away.

Pretty easy for you guys to take a post out of context 2 months later and act as if I was saying that Florida was going to flop out of the tournament as if I said that opening weekend.

[Mr. T]

My last post on the matter just for clarity's sake.

I consider this message board alot like a sports talk show on the radio, except it's always "open phones" time. On those shows the hosts and callers discuss, bicker and even out and out argue their opinions back and forth that so and so team is good or they suck. The referees were crooked or that was a good call. But they go back and forth each giving reasons that support their side. If every call that called in was "Yeah Bo, I think you guys are right" it would be boring as watcing grass grow.

No, what keeps those shows lively is that there is disagreement. And it is perfectly OK to disagree. I expect much the same discussion on threads I make. I WANT someone to disagree because if we all agreed then it would be BORING. However making a simple "oh your wrong they're a good team" post, without any substance behind it doesn't fly. I expect to be able to make a point and someone will counterpoint, etc. That is what makes discussion boards great.

So, Athens, if that isn't your cup of tea then don't post in the threads I start.

[Aike]

Not to rub it in...:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Just joking man, just joking.

[Lost Highway]

Aike wrote: Not to rub it in...:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Just joking man, just joking.

lol. It was a fun ride. :)

[hoosierhateruklover]

HAHAHA....No Offense but this is funny....it reminds me of those directv nfl commercials where they predict the arz cardinals winning it all, firing mike holmgren, and the jets winning the division.

[blueheretic]

This is the dumbest of dumb threads. But I love it.

[Stucat]

blueheretic wrote: This is the dumbest of dumb threads. But I love it.
Thank goodness I just made one post on this thread. However I always felt Florida was better than they were given credit for being or they would not have thumped us the way they did. It was also a sign that the Florida players played with a chemistry like I vaguely remember Kentucky having at one time. United we stand divided we fall our state motto says but it doesn't seem to translate into Kentucky basketball right now. Maybe next year will be completely different than this year and our basketball team will have plenty of team chemistry and team togetherness that I felt was lacking this year. I know when you play as a team it helps.:wildcatface

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

Yeah, dumb thread but very interesting. I read through it and as an impartial observer I basically read alot of petty bickering about wordage and a surprisingly little amount of talk about basketball. But I had to chime in because I think bringing up "old" threads is a good thing, and I wish it would happen more often. For what it's worth, I personally don't believe that there are any "old" threads because seriously, where do you make that definition? Is it old if it isn't on the first page ? Second, third, fourth page ? Last week or month ? Where do you draw the line ? I wish more buried threads were brought back to life because it creates accountability for one's words. I would love it if posters would be more careful with their predictions andassessments for fear that they would eat thier own vomit down the road.