Tim Couch Signs with Jags!!!

[Tbird]

Just reported a 2 yr deal. I couldn't be happier for him! All that hard work over the past 2 yrs. has paid off.

[johnkyblue]

http://www.jaguars.com/News/Article.aspx?id=6166
(http://www.jaguars.com/News/Article.aspx?id=6166)
I went looking for comments on Jags sites and we are faster than they are. :)

[Coldstream]

Hopefully Couch has been studying the game of football bc IMO, his FB IQ is his achilles' heel. He really struggles with the complexity of offenses and the West Coast offense overwhelmed him a little.

[BigBlue75]

Hopefully Couch has been studying the game of football bc IMO, his FB IQ is his achilles' heel. He really struggles with the complexity of offenses and the West Coast offense overwhelmed him a little.

Good point and I agree but at the same time it's hard to get comfortable with an offense when you're runnin' for your freakin' life half the time because the idiot owners that drafted you didn't draft an O-line to protect you..but that's another story.

He's getting another shot with the Jags and I hope it works out well for him. I'm glad to see him back in an NFL uniform.

[Coldstream]

Good point and I agree but at the same time it's hard to get comfortable with an offense when you're runnin' for your freakin' life half the time because the idiot owners that drafted you didn't draft an O-line to protect you..but that's another story.

He's getting another shot with the Jags and I hope it works out well for him. I'm glad to see him back in an NFL uniform.

I've heard that argument quite often but he has struggled elsewhere when he's not running for his life. He wasn't that bright in college either if you catch my drift.

[Hootbird]

I've heard that argument quite often but he has struggled elsewhere when he's not running for his life. He wasn't that bright in college either if you catch my drift.

I would like to know how you determined that Tim Couch is not very bright. Is it because he is from the mountains of eastern Kentucky? He sure has accomplished a lot and made a lot of money for someone so dumb. Catch my drift?

[Sticeman]

I've heard that argument quite often but he has struggled elsewhere when he's not running for his life. He wasn't that bright in college either if you catch my drift.

Where has he struggled elshwhere because he really has only played for the browns, you cant really say he struggled in green bay considring he was trying to play with a torn rotator cuff. If he wasnt so bright in college there must have been alot of idiots out there considering he made first team all american. I really dont catch your drift?

[Coldstream]

I would like to know how you determined that Tim Couch is not very bright. Is it because he is from the mountains of eastern Kentucky? He sure has accomplished a lot and made a lot of money for someone so dumb. Catch my drift?

Easy there. I knew him in class. Secondly, he didn't grasp the West Coast offense like the Packers were hoping and thus he was never asked to workout with them.

As for football, it isn't calculus either so just about anybody can learn the game. But to execute as a player at a high level can be quite challenging for some. I am not saying Couch doesn't have great physical talents but his head isn't average for a NFL player.

[Hootbird]

Easy there. I knew him in class. Secondly, he didn't grasp the West Coast offense like the Packers were hoping and thus he was never asked to workout with them.

As for football, it isn't calculus either so just about anybody can learn the game. But to execute as a player at a high level can be quite challenging for some. I am not saying Couch doesn't have great physical talents but his head isn't average for a NFL player.

The point I’m trying to make is someone trying to make their perception a reality. I could say the fact that you were in the same class with Tim says the two of you were on equal footing as far as intelligence was concerned. Maybe the class didn’t challenge Tim mentally, so he did poorly as a result.

The same thing was said of Terry Bradshaw when he entered the NFL. After winning a few Super Bowls he became a genius.

NFL prospects go through a battery of intelligence test and I am sure he would not have been a number one pick if he were mentally challenged.

Take it easy? You have gone from saying he is not very bright to also saying he is below average intelligence concerning NFL players. You have absolutely nothing to back this up except your perception of Tim, but you present this on an Internet forum as fact.

I don’t know why this particular post struck a nerve with me because I know that the vast majority of posts on Internet forums are opinions, not facts. No hard feelings from this eastern Kentucky redneck. Have a good day.

[bleedbluelady]

Congrats Tim! :thumbup::thumbup: I wish you the best. :widcat::widcat:

[Sticeman]

Easy there. I knew him in class. Secondly, he didn't grasp the West Coast offense like the Packers were hoping and thus he was never asked to workout with them.

As for football, it isn't calculus either so just about anybody can learn the game. But to execute as a player at a high level can be quite challenging for some. I am not saying Couch doesn't have great physical talents but his head isn't average for a NFL player.

Coldstream, I normally agree with most of your posts. This post I am going to have to disagree with you. I have followed Couch from his highschool days and have pretty much watched every game he has participated in. For you to say that just about anyone can pidk up football? If that was the case half this forum would be in the NFL, my other question is have you ever played football? It isnt the easiest thing to understand when playing at that level. Tim Couch has never been given a fair shake in the NFL and I have been defending him since day one. This is his last chance I will give you that but I will be willing to bet if he stays healthy he is going to make a lot of people eat their words.

[MurphyLee]

[QUOTE=Coldstream;308282]Easy there. I knew him in class. Secondly, he didn't grasp the West Coast offense like the Packers were hoping and thus he was never asked to workout with them.//QUOTE]

Didn't he actually play in a couple of preseason games before they cut him?It wasn't his grasp of the offense that led to his release it was that he couldn't get anything behind his throws due to the rotator cuff problem.

[Sam K.]

http://www.jaguars.com/News/Article.aspx?id=6166
(http://www.jaguars.com/News/Article.aspx?id=6166)
I went looking for comments on Jags sites and we are faster than they are. :)


Thanks for the link, John.

I looked at the roster and this appears to be his competition.

David Garrard 6th yr. E. Carolina
Quinn Gray 4 Fl. A&M
Byron Leftwich 5 Marshall
Lester Ricard R Tulane

I have much respect for Leftwich, but know next to nothing about the other three.

[RV]

[quote=Coldstream;308282]Easy there. I knew him in class. Secondly, he didn't grasp the West Coast offense like the Packers were hoping and thus he was never asked to workout with them.//QUOTE]

Didn't he actually play in a couple of preseason games before they cut him?It wasn't his grasp of the offense that led to his release it was that he couldn't get anything behind his throws due to the rotator cuff problem.

Yes - he played the entire preseason with a bad shoulder. The surgery to repair that shoulder is what he's coming back from. Good luck to Tim and I expect him to make a bunch of folks eat their words.

[Stucat]

From the time he went on the David Letterman Show Tim Couch has worried about his accent. He didn't sound like he was from eastern Kentucky at that time and he doesn't sound like it now. Instead of Leslie Co. Tim sounds more like he is from Florida without a trace of an accent. As a native eastern Kentuckian who stills lives in eastern Kentucky despite living in Miami and going to college my freshman year at the University of Miami I would never have guessed by his speech patterns that Tim Couch is even from Kentucky especially eastern Kentucky. Trust me Tim has not only worked hard to get in the best shape of his life physically but he has worked on his speech a lot to boot. Not that there is anything wrong with the eastern Kentucky/Kentucky accent. I prefer it to the Boston/New England accent any day.

That being said I wish Tim the very best as a new member of the Jacksonville Jags. I hope that he finally has that pro-football career that was denied to him by injuries so many years ago.

[boomdaddy]

I saw Couch on tv, playing in those games for Green Bay. He couldn't make the throws. He wasn't even close to being an average back up. You could tell his arm was no good. I couldn't understand why a player would go out and play with a bum arm at the QB spot. It made no sense.

I wish him the best of luck. A back up in the NFL at QB is a very sweet job. He could eventually end up a starter again. Even if he doesn't, he is making over 500K, to stand on the side lines.

[BOURBON TOWN CAT FAN]

On Fox Sports radio this morning a Jag fan called in and was complaining about the Jags signing Couch. Steve Czaban told him, "Don't worry Couch will take care of him self and be gone by August". Czaban doesn't think that Couch will make it out of training camp and will be cut.

[Coldstream]

Coldstream, I normally agree with most of your posts. This post I am going to have to disagree with you. I have followed Couch from his highschool days and have pretty much watched every game he has participated in. For you to say that just about anyone can pidk up football? If that was the case half this forum would be in the NFL, my other question is have you ever played football? It isnt the easiest thing to understand when playing at that level. Tim Couch has never been given a fair shake in the NFL and I have been defending him since day one. This is his last chance I will give you that but I will be willing to bet if he stays healthy he is going to make a lot of people eat their words.

I am not talking about having the physical tools to make it to the next level. I was talking about Football IQ or rather smartness. Football is not a hard sport to learn period. But when you play at a high level, it is all about executing without thinking too much (react instinctively) because you just don't have time to think things out as the speed of the game picks up. As for my experience in football, I played 6 years of high school (yes, SIX) and was All-State my senior year. I walked-on at UK on an academic scholly but had to quit because of a computer chip planted in my head to allow me to hear again after I lost it completely the summer leading up to my freshman year in college.

[wallnutz14]

I am not talking about having the physical tools to make it to the next level. I was talking about Football IQ or rather smartness. Football is not a hard sport to learn period. But when you play at a high level, it is all about executing without thinking too much (react instinctively) because you just don't have time to think things out as the speed of the game picks up. As for my experience in football, I played 6 years of high school (yes, SIX) and was All-State my senior year. I walked-on at UK on an academic scholly but had to quit because of a computer chip planted in my head to allow me to hear again after I lost it completely the summer leading up to my freshman year in college.

You are dead wrong. And you are wrong about Couch as well. I usually agree with your posts, but you've missed the mark completely here, and I'm sure you've upset quite a few people in doing so. Of the three major sports, football is probably the toughest to learn mentally, especially at the NFL level. Your high school football days count for nothing as far as how much of the game you learned. Comparing high school football to college football or the NFL is like comparing 1st grade math to college calculus. You're lucky if you run 10 different plays on offense in high school. An NFL playbook has hundreds of pages of plays and the teams run most of them at some point. I can't believe how narrow-minded you are being on this thread. I challenge you to find one poster that will agree with your statements here.

[Coldstream]

You are dead wrong. And you are wrong about Couch as well. I usually agree with your posts, but you've missed the mark completely here, and I'm sure you've upset quite a few people in doing so. Of the three major sports, football is probably the toughest to learn mentally, especially at the NFL level. Your high school football days count for nothing as far as how much of the game you learned. Comparing high school football to college football or the NFL is like comparing 1st grade math to college calculus. You're lucky if you run 10 different plays on offense in high school. An NFL playbook has hundreds of pages of plays and the teams run most of them at some point. I can't believe how narrow-minded you are being on this thread. I challenge you to find one poster that will agree with your statements here.

I played one year of college too. I see you omitted that. As far as your statement about HS playbooks, no they are not as complex as the college level but it isn't that short either (10 pages). More like 100 pages give or take 10 pages, at least in my experience. The college level has about 200. College is more about recognizing the other team's schemes and trying to exploit them not only before the play begins but during the play as well. As for NFL, it really isn't that big of a jump b/n college and the NFL for playbooks (I have friends that still play today for Seattle, Broncoes, etc.) but it is a bit more complex. But to say that college football or the NFL is extremely hard is a bit much. It isn't. Like I said before, the challenge isn't about learning those plays and recognizing schemes but to actually execute it live in a game and each level, the speed and the complexity takes its toll.

[crice561]

hope he does well, Dont really like Del Rio's comments though. I hope that couch proves them wrong.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/073007/jag_187830490.shtml

[The Old School JPS]

I would love to see Tim Couch do what Jim Plunkett did after everyone had written him off.

[Matt Dillon]

Before I weigh in on this, let me say, with the exception of a week's vacation here and there, I've never been out of southeastern Ky. I'm very proud of my mountain heritage. Let me also say, with the exception of what I've been exposed to through various media outlets, I know nothing about Tim Couch whatsoever. I suspect that most of the ones that have posted on this thread are in the same boat and are defending Tim either because he's a fellow Kentuckian or a former UK player or both. Logically, since Coldstream attended classes with Tim, that should give a high degree of credability to what he's saying. Also, during the years, I've read many of Coldstream's posts and have always found him to be fair and honest in the statement of his opinions. I believe when Tim was discussing leaving UK and turning pro, he said something to the effect that going to school wasn't his thing and that he had planned on playing fb for a living for as long as he could remember.

[Brian McCat]

hope he does well, Dont really like Del Rio's comments though. I hope that couch proves them wrong.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/073007/jag_187830490.shtml

Tim will just have to prove himself to make Del Rio a believer.

[PitinoLooksBetterInRed]

I hope he does well. For Jacksonville to sign him that day (maybe its more usual than i think) i think he had to have put on quite a show and really impressed them. I wish nothing but the best for UK players, after of course they leave the university.

[UKcat98]

I've always been a Tim Couch fan and hated to see him beaten to death in Cleveland. I disagree that he lacks the intelligence needed to excel in the NFL. I do, however, have to question his mental toughness.

He seemed to worry an awful lot about what fans (like the douchebags in the video) thought of him. I remember a post-game interview where he was nearly in tears because the fans booed him.

Here's hoping he gets a chance to redeem himself in J-ville. Good luck, Tim!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOSWGFqWwdw

[Stucat]

Before I weigh in on this, let me say, with the exception of a week's vacation here and there, I've never been out of southeastern Ky. I'm very proud of my mountain heritage. Let me also say, with the exception of what I've been exposed to through various media outlets, I know nothing about Tim Couch whatsoever. I suspect that most of the ones that have posted on this thread are in the same boat and are defending Tim either because he's a fellow Kentuckian or a former UK player or both. Logically, since Coldstream attended classes with Tim, that should give a high degree of credability to what he's saying. Also, during the years, I've read many of Coldstream's posts and have always found him to be fair and honest in the statement of his opinions. I believe when Tim was discussing leaving UK and turning pro, he said something to the effect that going to school wasn't his thing and that he had planned on playing fb for a living for as long as he could remember.

Just because you attend class with someone that doesn't mean that you really know anything about them. You can make judgements about them but that is primarily your opinion and is not necessarily the truth.

[Matt Dillon]

Just because you attend class with someone that doesn't mean that you really know anything about them. You can make judgements about them but that is primarily your opinion and is not necessarily the truth.

This entire thread is comprised of people's opinions, but I don't see how you can say taking classes with someone doesn't give one any special insight into that person's ability to learn from textbooks, or any advantage, in formulating an opinion, over people who don't even know the person in question. Can you explain your thinking to me?

[Craig the Blueheart]

You are dead wrong. And you are wrong about Couch as well. I usually agree with your posts, but you've missed the mark completely here, and I'm sure you've upset quite a few people in doing so. Of the three major sports, football is probably the toughest to learn mentally, especially at the NFL level. Your high school football days count for nothing as far as how much of the game you learned. Comparing high school football to college football or the NFL is like comparing 1st grade math to college calculus. You're lucky if you run 10 different plays on offense in high school. An NFL playbook has hundreds of pages of plays and the teams run most of them at some point. I can't believe how narrow-minded you are being on this thread. I challenge you to find one poster that will agree with your statements here.

I guess it would count for something if he went to a high school with a complex play book, wouldn't it? I can't remember how many pages we had in our play book in HS, but I can assure you that it was more than 10 plays. We had a whole stack of pages which contained plays.

[wallnutz14]

This entire thread is comprised of people's opinions, but I don't see how you can say taking classes with someone doesn't give one any special insight into that person's ability to learn from textbooks, or any advantage, in formulating an opinion, over people who don't even know the person in question. Can you explain your thinking to me?

I also had a class with Couch while I was at UK. (Also had calculus with his girlfriend) But I never spoke to him and he never spoke to me. I never heard him speak out loud in class either. Attending class with a person does not give you any credibility pertaining to your personal knowledge of someone else's intelligence. I had many classes with former UK basketball players, but I still know nothing about any of them. I agree that Coldstream is usually fair and factual with his posts, but on this thread he is doing a lot of assuming without much substance to back up his claims.

[wallnutz14]

I guess it would count for something if he went to a high school with a complex play book, wouldn't it? I can't remember how many pages we had in our play book in HS, but I can assure you that it was more than 10 plays. We had a whole stack of pages which contained plays.

How many of those plays actually made it onto the field during a game? This whole discussion is pointless really. Football is not an easy game to learn and it takes intelligent players to accomplish what teams in the NFL accomplish every season. Tim Couch is not a dumb guy. And his "football IQ" is way up there, or he would not be where he is today. Physical talent will only take you so far. Eventually you have to use your brain, especially when age catches up and your body doesn't respond like it used to. I hope Couch makes it with Jacksonville.

[TrueblueCATfan]

Congrats to Tim Couch...best of luck... and go get em Tim

[sardiscat]

"but I don't see how you can say taking classes with someone doesn't give one any special insight into that person's ability to learn from textbooks."

What if the person wasn't bothering to read the textbook before he came to class? I'd hate to have had people forming judgments about my mental abilities based on what I didn't say in class. I never read the assignments before coming to class, so I rarely had anything to say in class. I aced the tests, though. I'd read, or at least skim, the material the night before the tests, but reading the stuff any sooner than that was wasted effort.

[Coldstream]

"but I don't see how you can say taking classes with someone doesn't give one any special insight into that person's ability to learn from textbooks."

What if the person wasn't bothering to read the textbook before he came to class? I'd hate to have had people forming judgments about my mental abilities based on what I didn't say in class. I never read the assignments before coming to class, so I rarely had anything to say in class. I aced the tests, though. I'd read, or at least skim, the material the night before the tests, but reading the stuff any sooner than that was wasted effort.

When I said I had classes with him I didn't mean to imply I was judging on his class performance. I am saying I talked to him from time to time on various subjects including about the class work. Tim never spoke during this class anyway and pretty much kept to himself until class was over. Secondly, I had several fraternity brothers who either had classes him as well and 2 were also on the team as well. I had already quit football by the time Couch arrived.


My post and the responses to it appears to have place too much emphasis on Tim's IQ when I simply only wanted to say that I hope Tim can grasp the Jaguars offensives schemes in a short amount of time that he has. He is facing an uphill battle being several years removed and having to re-learn another offense. He is not the quickest learner IMO when it comes to learning an offense. He seems to take a little time to grasp it compares to some others. But he isn't dumb and that is not what I was implying though I made a mistake by saying "if you catch my drift" since that statement seemed to imply that now that I read that again.

There is a test the NFL gives to rookies and Tim fared OK on it. It's not a failsafe way of testing NFLers but it does shed some light on a person's smartness. For example, last year's #1 QB draft pick scored a woeful 6 points. Tim managed to score a 22 while Leak scored, I think, a 23. Look how Leak turned out. Manning scored a 28 but Alex Smith scored a 40. Look where each is which is testament to their physical and football IQ not how much they know in the real world. I am not sure how many questions are on the test but the highest score you can get is 50 while 21 is considered average. 14 is considered an unskilled worker while anything below is well.. a moron.

NFL Quarterback Wonderlic scores (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.macmirabile.com%2FWonderlic.h tm&ei=aI-vRtf1BJ-geu7ngP0F&usg=AFQjCNFE5TAjss6r6M75CE65xJs3dSWd_Q&sig2=UJts6vGsVtzsr9kBzRDloQ)


ESPN.com - Page2 - So, how do you score? (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fespn.go.com%2Fpage2%2Fs%2Fcloser% 2F020228test.html&ei=aI-vRtf1BJ-geu7ngP0F&usg=AFQjCNHfga2daVvkpM7-DrwFk_II_jGQPg&sig2=l9ptEjB0qq3xgXn_f0AkDQ)

[SouthBeachWildcat]

I don't know about Tim, but I, personally, am now dumber for reading this thread.