Watch out for those pigs in Cleveland...

[oruacat2]

http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0227/7515960_240X180.jpg



http://www.newsnet5.com/news/7516014/detail.html

KD

[flacat22]

hmmm....:rolleyes:

[VIIBanners]

oruacat2 wrote: http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0227/7515960_240X180.jpg



http://www.newsnet5.com/news/7516014/detail.html

KDNice, cops are most definitely pigs in my own personal experiences. Good to see them acknowledging this themselves with the encoded badge image. oink, oink.

[oruacat2]

I got no problems with police officers...I just admire the creative (subversive) clever nature of this hidden image. :lol:

KD

[flacat22]

VIIBanners wrote: oruacat2 wrote: http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0227/7515960_240X180.jpg



http://www.newsnet5.com/news/7516014/detail.html

KDNice, cops are most definitely pigs in my own personal experiences. Good to see them acknowledging this themselves with the encoded badge image. oink, oink.

????

[VIIBanners]

???? What about that did you not understand. Officers of the law are not all "fine young gentlemen" as you may want to think they are. I know from personal experience. I think it is funny that there is indeed an image of a pig embedded in that badge and a clever "Photoshopper" dug it up. Very funny.:lol:

[KY Blue in Carolina]

VIIBanners wrote: Officers of the law are not all "fine young gentlemen" as you may want to think they are. Many, if not most, are.... to generalize is childish, IMO.

From knowing flacat22 through this board, I have absolutely no hesitation referring to him as a fine gentleman.... and a fine police/law enforcement officer.

[flacat22]

I understood it just fine, I think it is pretty disrespectful, uncalled for and I took great offense to your labelling an entire profession based on your "personal experiences," memories of which Im sure have changed over time to facilitate you blaming someone else for your problems rather than accepting responsibility for whatever it was that brought you in contact with the police to begin with.

There are bad people in every line of work, even yours but there are also hundreds of thousands of brave men and women that would answer your emergency call and put their life on the line for you regardless of your juvenile, cliche' view of their profession as a whole. Next time you have an emergency call a plumber or a TV repairman, lets see how that works out for you.

[flacat22]

KY Blue in Carolina wrote: VIIBanners wrote: Officers of the law are not all "fine young gentlemen" as you may want to think they are. Many, if not most, are.... to generalize is childish, IMO.

From knowing flacat22 through this board, I have absolutely no hesitation referring to him as a fine gentleman.... and a fine police/law enforcement officer.

Thanks I appreciate the kind words, I guess I shouldnt take posts like that to heart. I had a great laugh at the original post because I can laugh at myself (Ill be the first one to make a donut joke) and what I do for a living but something about the utter disrespect of that term and the "oink,oink" really irks me. I guess I need to stop and breathe before I reply to some posters. Thanks again for compliment.

[Buddah]

KY Blue in Carolina wrote:
VIIBanners wrote: Officers of the law are not all "fine young gentlemen" as you may want to think they are.Â*Â* Many, if not most, are....Â* to generalize is childish, IMO.

From knowing flacat22 through this board, I have absolutely no hesitation referring to him as a fine gentleman.... and a fine police/law enforcement officer.






Aren't you generalizing also TOm? What is your sample size for your asseration, probably the same as V11 and others. I have two police officers in my family, and have met some very nice ones, and i have met some not too nice ones, probably true in any profession. To have the mom, country and apple pie view of police officers is a little naive. I can see VIIBanners point. This is espeically true of local law enforcement in small towns... Believe what you will. State Policemen are some fine people. Generalizing goes on across the board. Police officers have a very tough job, and don't get paid enough, but some of them have their bias like any other profession.

[KY Blue in Carolina]

Buddah wrote: KY Blue in Carolina wrote:
VIIBanners wrote: Officers of the law are not all "fine young gentlemen" as you may want to think they are. Many, if not most, are.... to generalize is childish, IMO.

From knowing flacat22 through this board, I have absolutely no hesitation referring to him as a fine gentleman.... and a fine police/law enforcement officer.






Aren't you generalizing also TOm? What is your sample size for your asseration, probably the same as V11 and others. I have two police officers in my family, and have met some very nice ones, and i have met some not too nice ones, probably true in any profession. To have the mom, country and apple pie view of police officers is a little naive. I can see VIIBanners point. This is espeically true of local law enforcement in small towns... Believe what you will. State Policemen are some fine people. Generalizing goes on across the board. Police officers have a very tough job, and don't get paid enough, but some of them have their bias like any other profession.

Many... if not most. I did not paint with an exclusive stereotypical brush.

[KY Blue in Carolina]

And my sample size is large. I'm in the security business and have a lot of 1st hand experience with law enforcement.

[Buddah]

KY Blue in Carolina wrote:
And my sample size is large.Â* I'm in the security business and have a lot of 1st hand experience with law enforcement.


Tell you what, time for some quainatative research. take ten nice young blond girls with nice bodies and a nice chest, and take ten guys who look like v11 and me, and put us both in a small town with local law enforcement, and i guarantee v11 and me get pulled over and the said blond girls doesn't and gets let go for the exact same thing. you know i am telling the truth :cool:;)

I will stand by my statement, there are alot of fine and up standing police officers out there, but there are some rats also, and it is different coming from the prespective of someone who looks like "one of the guys" and in a similar business as opposed to others.. thats just how it is. I would never have the audacity to suggest they don't have their bias. I would probably put the ratio of good to bad depending on the level of law enforcement, the town, and other variables at 60/ 40 or 70/30.. though getting back to the original thread, i thought it was funny, and my cousin who is now a detective thought it was as well. just a different sense of humor, i guess.

[KY Blue in Carolina]

And my statement of "Many, if not most" does not contradict your statements... and position.

:rolleyes:

[flacat22]

Buddah wrote: KY Blue in Carolina wrote:
And my sample size is large. I'm in the security business and have a lot of 1st hand experience with law enforcement.


I would probably put the ratio of good to bad depending on the level of law enforcement, the town, and other variables at 60/ 40 or 70/30.. .

couldnt the same be said for EVERY profession though? As for the blonde girl vs. "guys like you" scenario we call that officer discretion.

[AndyPopCat]

The poll results are shocking! :shock: Who would have thought people would vote that way. ;)

[Buddah]

KY Blue in Carolina wrote:
And my statement of "Many, if not most" does not contradict your statements... and position.

:rolleyes:


not really, you look like a cop, probably a big buddy with them , again the mom, apple pie, god and country view is cute, but not reality... but i am glad i got your opinions, i actually respect your opinion.

[Buddah]

flacat22 wrote:
Buddah wrote: KY Blue in Carolina wrote:
And my sample size is large.Â* I'm in the security business and have a lot of 1st hand experience with law enforcement.


Â*I would probably put the ratio of good to bad depending on the level of law enforcement, the town, and other variables at 60/ 40 or 70/30.. .

As for the blonde girl vs. "guys like you" scenario we call that officer discretion.


as andy said that is probably why so many have developed a bad view and opinion of police..

[flacat22]

Buddah wrote: flacat22 wrote:
Buddah wrote: KY Blue in Carolina wrote:
And my sample size is large. I'm in the security business and have a lot of 1st hand experience with law enforcement.


I would probably put the ratio of good to bad depending on the level of law enforcement, the town, and other variables at 60/ 40 or 70/30.. .

As for the blonde girl vs. "guys like you" scenario we call that officer discretion.


as andy said that is probably why so many have developed a bad view and opinion of police..
That last part was a joke, you would think that an "intellectual" like you would readily recognize that...you can see the humor in a stereotypical "pig" reference but not at something original or is it that you are so jaded against law enforcement that you dont appreciate anything that is not negative about cops?

[Buddah]

i am not an intellectual or whatever else, just a good ol country boy, who calls a spade a spade. as far as being jaded against cops, i did chuckle , but like everything else, if you laugh at something, there is always a little underlying truth in it. as i have said, i know from personal experience that you all have a very hard job and don't get paid or respect you deserve, which could be the reason your wanting to go back to school, which i think is good. i am just guessing. there has to be law and order in a society or it would be choas, just wished some of the bad apples were weeded out, especially in smaller towns and such.. thats all.

i have said my peace in this thread. :thumbup

[VIIBanners]

flacat22 wrote: I understood it just fine, I think it is pretty disrespectful, uncalled for and I took great offense to your labelling an entire profession based on your "personal experiences," memories of which Im sure have changed over time to facilitate you blaming someone else for your problems rather than accepting responsibility for whatever it was that brought you in contact with the police to begin with.

There are bad people in every line of work, even yours but there are also hundreds of thousands of brave men and women that would answer your emergency call and put their life on the line for you regardless of your juvenile, cliche' view of their profession as a whole. Next time you have an emergency call a plumber or a TV repairman, lets see how that works out for you.




..... I wasn't attacking you personally, and I didn't make an over generalization of the entire police profession. Quote above: "Officers of the law are not all "fine young gentlemen" as you may want to think they are. I know from personal experience"

Sorry....

[flacat22]

no worries, probably a little over-sensitive on my part.

[Dwight Schrute]

I deal with cops on a weekly basis (as part of my job - not by breaking the law:D). I've found that most cops fall into one of three categories.

The first category are the types who are good, honest citizens just trying to serve and protect. These kind are almost always friendly and will gladly help out if needbe. They're the kind who The second kind of cop is the over-zealous type. These are the kind, I've noticed, who sit around waiting for you to go five miles over the speed limit, and will pull you over on a whim just for "looking suspicious." They're usually major league arse-holes, as well. These cops are usually out to prove their power over the average citizens. The third type of cop is the corrupt cop. These are the kinds that you usually read about in papers involved in police brutality cases, or the Drew Thornton type in The Bluegrass Conspiracy (if you haven't read it, I'd suggest it). I've never dealt with these types (knowingly, at least), but they're out there.

As I said, most cops I've met and dealt with fall into one of these categories. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[Lost Highway]

flacat22 is a police officer in Daytona Beach, Florida. That is not an easy job and I have the up most respect for his service to our region of the country. I have seen object hurled at police officers by unruly drunken crowds on our Florida beaches and most police officers act in a professional manner when confronted with these mobs. I don't think I could do that. There are two professions in life I would be terrible at. Teaching school and being a police officer. For those who do it well, my hats is off to you.

I hate the word Pig to describe law enforcement officers.It is a job that few of us understand or appreciate until we have to dial 911. When I see the presence of a police officer, I actually feel a little better. My problem in life is Ihave a lead foot and have more than my share of speeding tickets. Most were deserved.

[bigsky]

Lost Highway wrote: flacat22 is a police officer in Daytona Beach, Florida. That is not an easy job and I have the up most respect for his service to our region of the country. I have seen object hurled at police officers by unruly drunken crowds on our Florida beaches and most police officers act in a professional manner when confronted with these mobs. I don't think I could do that. There are two professions in life I would be terrible at. Teaching school and being a police officer. For those who do it well, my hats is off to you.

I hate the word Pig to describe law enforcement officers.It is a job that few of us understand or appreciate until we have to dial 911. When I see the presence of a police officer, I actually feel a little better. My problem in life is Ihave a lead foot and have more than my share of speeding tickets. Most were deserved.



They've helped me out many more times than hippies ever did. Still, cops are only human and they can get a seriously bad attitude after a while, I think it's similar to asbestosis, a chronic condition of the job. It is a job that deals with people at their worst and that gets under their skin the was asbestos fibers get into lungs.

[UKSam]

flacat22 wrote: I understood it just fine, I think it is pretty disrespectful, uncalled for and I took great offense to your labelling an entire profession based on your "personal experiences," memories of which Im sure have changed over time to facilitate you blaming someone else for your problems rather than accepting responsibility for whatever it was that brought you in contact with the police to begin with.

There are bad people in every line of work, even yours but there are also hundreds of thousands of brave men and women that would answer your emergency call and put their life on the line for you regardless of your juvenile, cliche' view of their profession as a whole. Next time you have an emergency call a plumber or a TV repairman, lets see how that works out for you.


flacat22, I have not looked at the general forums in a couple of days so I did not see when this topic started. I just wanted to say thanks. Your comments were my thoughts exactly when I began to read this thread.Obviouslythere are people in our profession thatbrings the rest of us down. It is that small group that tends to get the majority of the media attention. That is also the officer that is usually rememberedduring a officer/public contact.I am very proud of the job that I do and the people I work with who watch over me, my family and my community.

Part of my duties include supervising our probationary officers and managing the Field Training program. The hardest part I see for our new deputies is how to properly use discretion. Discretion is an officers best tool (or biggest nightmare) dependant upon how it is applied. When things go wrong in law enforcement the chief argument is that they didn't go by the book or follow the rules. This is usually correct. When law enforcement gets a black eye is more often due to a deliberate act and there is no excuse or room for that person in our family.

However when it comes to the application of the criminal/traffic laws we enforce I am pretty sure that public would not want us to go "by the book"all the time. If I stopped a carand wrote a ticket for every violation I witness during the day I would never make it to the station or back home. I've have never thougth that my job as strickly a law enforcement officer. I think my job is public service and to maintain order. Laws are the tools that society has given me to obtain my goal



So FLACAT thanks again for your post. Now I can get back to basketball.

[BrassowFan]

It takes a brave person to protect & serve!

In my life I've often found that those who use terms such as "pigs" are the very people who get up & run when a perfect stranger is in need, especially if it could mean physical harm to themselves. This isn't true of the police. They often work in dangerous areas and are willing to help, usually at risk to themselves, regardless of your opinion of them. The are the first line of defense in a civilized society and we should all be appreciative of their efforts.

I do agree that they are humans and then are subject to having faults... (the nerve of them...:rolleyes:) and some seem to enjoy the level of perceived power but I think that despite being so prominent in the media, they're the small minority of the police force.

[VIIBanners]

Well, let's recap what has beensaid about me personally in this thread.... Childish, juvenile and coward (Brassow saying that a person like myself would run when someone is in need). Laughable fellas. As Buddah said, the cute view of mom, god, apple pie and country is not reality. For Flacat to bash me and say that I don't take responsibility for my actions and want to blame someone for my problems is heartless, brother. You don't have a clue what my experience was nor did you care to ask. Instead, you would rather conduct your own sweeping generalization of folks like me that have been screwed over by cops. When I say screwed, I don't mean pulled me over for doing 21 in a 20. I think you would all find me to the opposite of what you might think of me. I am a very caring, hard working man who has always taken up for the little guy... (being 6'-4" and 280 makes that easy;))... I have never turned my back on anyone in need and never would. I have always had respect for people in power who don't abuse it but unfortunately I had a run in with a couple of good ole' boys who had different ideas about "personal justice".

[Lost Highway]

Florida is a little unique in that we get a lot of drifters down here who are strange to say the least. Some people say the warm weather draws them, I don't know what it is but they tend to mess things up. Notice how many sex offenses occur down here. It is not a pretty scene when a young girl is mutilated and raped by some nut who just happens to be drifting around the area.

So, Floridians have always expected a strong police force and we expect our police to knock some heads if that is what it takes. Few of us will be critical of a police officer who is standing in line to protect our life and property. We appreciate them and anything they can do to get the guilty a seat on Old Sparky at Starke is a job well done. Starke is where Ted Bundy was shocked into reality.

[KY Blue in Carolina]

I think this thread took a direction that nobody intended....

Since it won't die on it's own.. let's help it along.

To all parties... thanks for keeping it civil.

IMO this one has run it's course.

closed.