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Sir Richard F. Burton
08-08-2007, 06:54 AM
Two reasons why I am sad Bonds got the record. First he is a jerk and I know that Ty Cobb and many others were jerks but it bugs me that a bad guy like Bonds has surpassed such a good guy as Aaron.

I read the excerpts from Sports Illustrated and it left me no doubt Bonds cheated.

Radiated
08-08-2007, 07:35 AM
I don't think it will stand for vary long. A-Rod will have that by the time he is done.

Brian McCat
08-08-2007, 08:03 AM
I don't think it will stand for vary long. A-Rod will have that by the time he is done.

A-Roid?

Barry Bonds, even without the steroids, is as an unlikeable person as exists.

RP_McMurphy
08-08-2007, 09:03 AM
But he aint the All Time Home Run king. That title will belong to Hank for a long time.

TrueblueCATfan
08-08-2007, 09:30 AM
I don't think it will stand for vary long. A-Rod will have that by the time he is done.

you beat me to it..I was just going to post this...just a matter of time......enjoy while you can Barry

Prince21
08-08-2007, 09:33 AM
Like Bonds or not, he is an amazing baseball player, with or without steroids. Yes, he is surly and says some dumb stuff, but that doesn't take away the fact that he was one of the best players in the 90's and I respect him for that if nothing else.

But I also want A-Rod to get the record and I fully expect him to do so.

RP_McMurphy
08-08-2007, 10:14 AM
Without steriods he would be in the mid-upper 600's if you ask me. He had Hall of Fame stuff without the juice but with the juice he has made a mockery of himself and the game.

Like Bonds or not, he is an amazing baseball player, with or without steroids. Yes, he is surly and says some dumb stuff, but that doesn't take away the fact that he was one of the best players in the 90's and I respect him for that if nothing else.

But I also want A-Rod to get the record and I fully expect him to do so.

Will Lavender
08-08-2007, 10:17 AM
Like Bonds or not, he is an amazing baseball player, with or without steroids.

Yes, but he's only a legendary player with the steroids.

BowlingGreenUKGrad
08-08-2007, 10:24 AM
I used to like skinny Barry back when he played with the Pirates.

The outfield of him, Bobby Bonilla and Andy Van Slyke was pretty darn good back in the day.

sardiscat
08-08-2007, 03:18 PM
Something overlooked in the "Bonds cheated but Aaron didn't" story line is that amphetamines ("greenies" they were called) were freely distributed in major league locker rooms back when Aaron played. Most players of his day took them. They were performance enhancing drugs, too (albeit they didn't cause your muscles to grow like steroids do).

Blue Heaven
08-08-2007, 03:35 PM
Steroids has nothing to do with hand eye coordination. He is innocent until proven guilty in my book. He has passed every test. Maybe he didn't knowingly take steroids? Pre-conceived notions can make fools out of people.

Blue Heaven
08-08-2007, 03:40 PM
You see all these commercials for products that supposedly can make you stronger and they aren't steroids. Barry was the best hitter in the game before the allegations. I am happy he broke the record. However, I feel sorry for baseball fans that can stand that pitiful whimp Selig. He cheered like no tomorrow when Sosa and McGuire were jacking home runs. He even went as far to say they brought excitement back to baseball. Then he goes and turns his nose up at Barry? I am NOT a baseball fan. I have always hated the sport, but know a great player when I see one. Barry Bonds is one of the best, if not THE best, to ever play the game.

matt57
08-08-2007, 03:41 PM
here's my stance on this issue. steroids don't help you hit a curveball. muscles don't help your swing. they give you bat speed and obviously some power. i think steroids maybe added 75-100 homers to bonds total. he has a beautiful, short, compact swing, with lots of bat speed. i think bonds is a great player with or without steroids. however, i hate the fact that he broke aaron's record. i simply just do not like the guy. it goes all the way back to meeting him in cincinnati when the reds were playing the pirates @ riverfront. he was just arrogant and almost unapproachable. i just don't like the guy.

sardiscat
08-08-2007, 03:53 PM
"steroids don't help you hit a curveball. muscles don't help your swing."

What steroids do is change fly balls to the warning track into home runs.

UedK
08-08-2007, 04:12 PM
"steroids don't help you hit a curveball. muscles don't help your swing."

What steroids do is change fly balls to the warning track into home runs.

They also greatly improve ones recovery time from injury or fatigue. Less bench time and quicker recovery between workouts. This could play a huge part in how the numbers added up.

Regardless, it was interesting to see Bonds show his human emotional side last night.

charms
08-08-2007, 05:27 PM
Love him or hate him, Barry Bonds holds a couple of good records: single season home run and all time home run King. I say congrats.

Dwight Schrute
08-08-2007, 08:06 PM
Barry Bonds may not be proven guilty, but he's done NOTHING to prove his innocence. Until he does, there will always be an asterisk next to his name in the record books.

Trueblujr
08-08-2007, 08:22 PM
i think steroids maybe added 75-100 homers to bonds total.

Thats a good 2-3 good seasons of Baseball to hit 75-100 homers...2-3 seasons which Bonds probably doesn't have left in him. So I would have to submit that according to your statement Bonds Might not have broken the record. Actually my reaction to Bonds breaking the record is...YAWN.

probably not a more undeserving player or representative for Baseball. Now if Ken Griffey Junior had done It. I would have been ecstatic.

DenCat
08-08-2007, 09:40 PM
Barry Bonds may not be proven guilty, but he's done NOTHING to prove his innocence. Until he does, there will always be an asterisk next to his name in the record books.
It shouldn't be up to Bonds to prove his innocence. It is up to MLB to prove his guilt. If he is found guilty, then his record should be stripped. Innocent until proven guilty works for everyone else, why should Bonds be any different? He may be a total jerk, but that doesn't have anything to do with him holding the record.

wanderingcat
08-08-2007, 10:18 PM
Babe Ruth may not have hit the most homeruns, but imho he is by far the all time homerun king. He started out as a pitcher and only had about 650 at bats his first five years. Give Ruth 20 a year for those years and he hits over 800 homeruns. Give him steroids and he hits a thousand, at least. And he had a .342 batting average lifetime.

BrassowFan
08-08-2007, 10:25 PM
I think that he deserves a lot of credit. He might not be liked by many but the league says that he's an eligible player and he hit the ball in sanctioned games and deserves all of the credit that anyone else would receive.

Sir Richard F. Burton
08-08-2007, 10:29 PM
from The Game of Shadows Bonds has never brought suit against the authors or specifically denied the allegations.

Anderson didn't like to talk about another downside. Anyone who worked for Bonds had to take a great deal of abuse. If Bonds told you to do something, you had to drop everything and do it. If you were slow to comply or if you tried to explain why it wasn't such a good idea, Bonds would get right up in your face, snarling, calling you a "punk *****," repeating what he wanted and saying, "Did I f------ stutter?" You had to suck it up and take the abuse and the humiliation -- everyone did.

Of course Anderson's primary job, and the real reason he was hired, was to provide Bonds with performance-enhancing drugs and to track his regimen. Anderson obtained the drugs and administered them. In file folders, and on his computer, he kept calendars of Bonds's use of the substances, recording the drugs, dosages and cycles.
LINK (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/03/06/growth0313/13.html)

WildcatRick
08-09-2007, 03:18 PM
Babe Ruth may not have hit the most homeruns, but imho he is by far the all time homerun king. He started out as a pitcher and only had about 650 at bats his first five years. Give Ruth 20 a year for those years and he hits over 800 homeruns. Give him steroids and he hits a thousand, at least. And he had a .342 batting average lifetime.

I agree!! I digress, but agree wholeheartedly!!

TransientAlum
08-09-2007, 05:03 PM
Bonds is being accused of taking HGH.

HGH is different than steriods in composition although the effects are similar.

Currently, no one tests for HGH.

Bonds cannot test positive either back then or now if he is taking a substance for which there is no test.


Also, innocent until proven guilty applies to criminal trials, not baseball. If the commissioner decides to ban him based on whatever, it is pretty much his call. See Pete Rose.