Drug allegations against Tim Couch

[BrassowFan]

Documents obtained by Yahoo! Sports indicate quarterback Tim Couch (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4649/;_ylt=AvlbNbRG66yhd5NMFbhtBXp8ZtEF) had regimens that called for the use of anabolic steroids and human growth hormone while he attempted to revive his NFL career after a three-year hiatus from the league.

The regimens outlined in the documents with Couch's name printed across the top called for extensive use of drugs banned by the NFL.

Couch, the No. 1 pick in the 1999 NFL draft, told Yahoo! Sports he briefly took HGH – which is banned by the NFL – in hopes the drug would help him recover from shoulder surgery. But he denied using steroids or any other banned drugs and said he had never seen the documents.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jo-couch082807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[PitinoLooksBetterInRed]

That crossed my mind when there was talk that he'd dropped his body fat from 13.5 to 4%. If this is true, what a horrible way to go out.

[FCFS82]

Barry Bonds allegedly uses steroids and gets hammered on this board. Timmy admits usage... well, lets just see if the board stays consistent on this one.

Probably not.

Rip me. Go ahead.

[Wildcatgirl19]

I heard about this yesterday too but I strongly doubt Couch was involved with steroids not necessary for his injury. :widcat:

[Will Lavender]

Barry Bonds allegedly uses steroids and gets hammered on this board. Timmy admits usage... well, lets just see if the board stays consistent on this one.

Probably not.

Rip me. Go ahead.

The critical difference is that Bonds is one of the greatest players to ever play the game of baseball.* Couch is a has-been, maybe a never-has-been, in professional sports.

Bad is bad, a crime is a crime, but when you're talking about the sanctity of an entire sport as you are in Bonds' case, then there are levels of depravity. And Bonds is at the top in that discussion.

But really, your idea is right on: one shouldn't bash Bonds and then let Couch off. Stupid thing for Tim to do, I don't care what colors he wore in college.

[JayB]

The critical difference is that Bonds is one of the greatest players to ever play the game of baseball.* Couch is a has-been, maybe a never-has-been, in professional sports.

Bad is bad, a crime is a crime, but when you're talking about the sanctity of an entire sport as you are in Bonds' case, then there are levels of depravity. And Bonds is at the top in that discussion.

But really, your idea is right on: one shouldn't bash Bonds and then let Couch off. Stupid thing for Tim to do, I don't care what colors he wore in college.

Wow what a great post. I enjoy reading your posts, there always rite to the point. IMO Comparing Bonds to Couch is ummmm..... lol yeah..

[surveyor]

Now that he's been convicted, wonder what Tim's sentence will be.............:icon_confused:

[leroybyrd]

Who cares. Obviously he didn't take enough steroids or for long enough. Seems steroids didn't have much of an impact on Timmy's situation.

Maybe steroids aren't as important to athletic success as the media would have us believe.

McGwire took steroids, broke the single season home run record, got off of steroids and became a scratch golfer. Maybe he's just a geat athlete and the steroids just helped him get back on the field faster. Sounds pretty sweet to me.

[RaleighCat]

Couch is going to get blistered in the media and court of public opinion because he admitted taking HGH. It's hard to avoid the fallout when you admit doing something wrong. And yes, I think an athlete taking HGH is wrong.

The difference with Steriods/HGH in Football vs. Baseball is massive from a perception standpoint. Football is a physically brutal sport. If two linemen are both on the juice- and they're in the trenches knocking each other silly- who gained the advantage? When you've got players flying around the field coliding into each other violently, the public doesn't perceive that 'roids/HGH are giving anyone a big advantage. Football players have always been big and strong, so their gains haven't been seen as unfair.

Baseball, however, is a much different story. Baseball is infinitely less physical. Nobody blocks 'n tackles in baseball. If a hitter is juicing- and gaining a physical advantage over a pitcher who's not- then it's a much bigger perceived injustice. True, pitchers have probably been taking steroids/HGH to aid recovery and stegnth. But it's rare to see an overly muscular pitcher who looks like they're bending the rules. Besides it's easy to know who wasn't taking drugs in baseball history. Ruth, Aaron, Musial, Mays, etc. Recent drug use is altering the landscape of baseball history.

Again, I'm not condoning the use of banned substances anywhere. Football players need to live by the rules as do all athletes. But from a perception standpoint it's not even close. Cheating in Baseball with steroids/HGH is a greater crime than it is in Football. Just my 2 cents.

[crice561]

He admitting taking HGH after his surgery to help heal his injury. There isnt anything wrong with taking steroids after surgery. My wife had a small proceedure that the doctor prescribed steroids which is considered under a doctors care. This isnt a case where someone took steroids to gain an advantage, this is a case where steroids were needed due to a medical proceedure.

[TransientAlum]

BS

He took em, he was moronic enough to discuss it with a sportswriter, he deals with it.

Most football players have taken the stuff. Even in 1-A, much less the pros. Pro level, its all over the place, get real. Break the silence, you are just dumb. Well, Tim, mirror, label... get acquainted.

[crice561]

Obviously you havent listened to Mike and Mike on ESPN where Sean Salsbury was taking up for Couch saying that he had an injury and say no problem with what he did.

[TransientAlum]

Don't need to listen to someone trying to validate it to call it for what it is.

Problem is everyone is an expert and everyone believes what anyone says.

A little discernment is a great thing.

This thing is rampant beginning in high school, going nuts in college, and out of control in the pros.

[Sticeman]

The bottom line is that HGH cannot be tested for, there isnt a test out there that can determine if you have used it.

And, for the steroids they are always called "perfomance inhancers" and we all saw Tims preseason game with the Jags there was nothing inhanced about his performance. I dont beleave these rumors all its just bad timing IMO Tim really has a snowballs chance of getting in the league now. JMO....

[I. Melvin]

The bottom line is that HGH cannot be tested for, there isnt a test out there that can determine if you have used it.

And, for the steroids they are always called "perfomance inhancers" and we all saw Tims preseason game with the Jags there was nothing inhanced about his performance. I dont beleave these rumors all its just bad timing IMO Tim really has a snowballs chance of getting in the league now. JMO....
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This is a dumb question, but I really want to know:

How does HGH work in an adult? Why is it dangerous? (I know why steroids are dangerous, btw...)

Are the oral HGH stimulators I see advertised a total scam?

Thanks!

[surveyor]

Are the oral HGH stimulators I see advertised a total scam?

Thanks!

Pretty much.

[Wildcat97]

The critical difference is that Bonds is one of the greatest players to ever play the game of baseball.* Couch is a has-been, maybe a never-has-been, in professional sports.

Bad is bad, a crime is a crime, but when you're talking about the sanctity of an entire sport as you are in Bonds' case, then there are levels of depravity. And Bonds is at the top in that discussion.

But really, your idea is right on: one shouldn't bash Bonds and then let Couch off. Stupid thing for Tim to do, I don't care what colors he wore in college.

w...with one additional. While Tim will get no pass from me, he did something BB has not and will not do...admit the truth. Although I am saddened to hear this, I am not completely shocked due to the circumstances.

[Mark Blueblood]

Barry Bonds allegedly uses steroids and gets hammered on this board. Timmy admits usage... well, lets just see if the board stays consistent on this one.

Probably not.

Rip me. Go ahead.

I'm not getting into the "Couch vs Bonds" debate, but I do agree with the spirit of your post.

Hey right's right and wrong's wrong and if he took a banned substance - well - that's wrong. It is amazing though that some people will insist that "no Tim wouldn't do something like that and even if he did, it's all right for him to do it".

Well...it appears he did take it and it is what it is. He gets no free pass from me.

[TransientAlum]

Pretty much.

Surveyor and I are still investigating a "bargain" pusher somewhere for some *cough* private testing.

[surveyor]

Surveyor and I are still investigating a "bargain" pusher somewhere for some *cough* private testing.

ROFL

I hear there may be a firesale in the future out on the west coast...........

[Sticeman]

For the record Couch was prescribed the HGH by a physician, I have followed Tim his whole career and I will beleave what he says until proven otherwise.

I know Tim wanted to get back in the NFL, but I just cant see how he would be that stupid to take steriods to do so. He is smarter then that and is a stand up guy if he was trying to hide anything I dont think he would come out and admit to using the HGH.

[TransientAlum]

I have personal knowledge of a doctor in Kentucky that would write scrips for testosterone too. Doesnt mean much.

If the desire is to just defend the guy, go ahead, but the truth is the truth no matter how ugly.

[RedandBlackATTACK]

The guy was trying to get back in the league and he made a mistake. End of a not so big story.

Rick
C-Bus