UL linebacker Willie Williams arrested on felony charge

[The Old School JPS]

The kid whose criminal record was too much for even the University of Miami (but not the University of Louisville) got arrested again, surprise.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070927/SPORTS02/70927038

UL has no one to blame but their own program for this one. This is not the kind of negative publicity any program needs at any time, but even moreso for UL right now I would think. With his prior record (eleven arrests) what did they think would happen?

They should have learned this lesson with Jonta Woodard. No, actually, they had plenty of opportunities to learn it before then.

This isn't an anti-U of L rant; a lot of U of L fans feel the same way and don't like the negative pall that troubled players give that team, program and school. I respect them for feeling that way.

And as dumb as his actions appear to have been I feel bad for this kid for blowing such a golden and apparently undeserved second chance. He has thrown away a free college education and a potentially very lucrative career. That is sad and I'm sure he'll regret it terribly down the road.

[TrueblueCATfan]

I wonder..is this going to be another Jonta Woodard..Montrell Jones and Juan Spillman scenario..or will Kragthorpe step up and take action

[BGandBLUE]

Sounds like Willie had the munchies too...he was trying to eat his stash.

[TrueblueCATfan]

WLKY news just reported he had 12 arrests prior to coming to the University of Louisville....explain to me WHY would you want someone with that much baggage..or is it doesn't matter as long as we WIN

[titleist_guy]

I wonder..is this going to be another Jonta Woodard..Montrell Jones and Juan Spillman scenario..or will Kragthorpe step up and take action

Per Matt Jones he has been dismissed from the team.

[TrueblueCATfan]

Per Matt Jones he has been dismissed from the team.

thanks..I found out after I posted..he should be dismissed....I respect the UL coach for doing so too

[Blue Heaven]

I feel sorry for the young man, however he got what he deserved.

[Mr. T]

I feel sorry for the young man, however he got what he deserved.

I don't feel the least bit sorry for him. If you have been arrested a dozen times (or however many) you're a punk/thug, simple as that. He made his bed, he can lie in it.

[crazzedcats22]

I feel sorry for the young man, however he got what he deserved.

Feel sorry? Are you kidding me? Why?

This is an example of a stupid, stupid, person who is nothing but a menace and drain on society. He is a useless idiot that contributes nothing positive to this world. He made his choices, he chose to steal, do drugs, sell drugs, etc....

[yitbos]

Louisville knew what they were getting with this kid. He was the #1 recruit for Miami a few years ago and broke one too many laws for even Miami to take. Kudos to Miami for kicking him to the curb when they did....UL shouldnt have taken the chance on someone like him, there are too many good kids that do one stupid thing to take a chance on. At least they finally came to the right decision.

[JOHN BLUEBLOOD]

WLKY news just reported he had 12 arrests prior to coming to the University of Louisville....explain to me WHY would you want someone with that much baggage..or is it doesn't matter as long as we WIN

Even the Miami Hurricanes wouldn't touch him for long - what does that tell you?

[lighthouse]

Fault lies with the kid not the school. They questioned him and he made a promise, then they decided to give him another chance. He blew it and he's gone. Sounds to me like they handled it right.

[wildcatdon]

Hoghead is a win at all cost A.D....What did anyone expect with this kid? Turenne and Kutayah were involved also according to what i read..Wonder what will happen..

[TransientAlum]

If the kid had a brain for school and had the athletic ability to play at that level, yeah, another chance is always a possibility. Yes, even Miami walked away from him. I bet if he could play basketball though Memphis would be calling. :p

Really, I see no particular issue in giving such a young kid another chance. He had strict guidelines and knew one strike and he was out. Seems pretty fair rather than let yet another youth with any promise go down the trash heap. UL is ok in my book for giving him the other chance. They are also ok in my book for tossing him per their agreement.

Yes, he is making his bed and lying in it but at 18,19, and 20 we have all been devils.

[F4F]

How long before he can start for the Vols?

[chworld22]

This guy is a moron. Who in the world didn't see this coming though.

The guy had 12 run ins with the law before this. He was rolling around Louisville bumping his Lil Jon smoking tree. Yea this guy had turned a corner. He turned it so he could by some weed from the guy over there with the red hairs on his stuff.

[Terry L. Wildcat]

Somewhere in Morgantown a head coach is thinking "I wonder if he can play basketball". ;)

[Gunsmoke]

Hoghead is a win at all cost A.D....What did anyone expect with this kid? Turenne and Kutayah were involved also according to what i read..Wonder what will happen..
They will testify against him at Jurich's request. Somehow The Golden One will spin this as Turenne and Kutayah had no idea Willie had weed in the car, but rather they just thought he was eating a rather dry, pungent smelling leafy lettuce.

[flacat22]

Hoghead is a win at all cost A.D....What did anyone expect with this kid? Turenne and Kutayah were involved also according to what i read..Wonder what will happen..


well if Turenne was smoking that makes sense, he was SO tired of getting burnt himself he decided to burn a blunt for a change...I really gotta wonder if Turenne was REALLY involved, I mean he's usually at least 10-15 behind anytime something is being passed!!!!

heres the jailBIRD
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w152/flacat22/williams.jpg

[chworld22]

well if Turenne was smoking that makes sense, he was SO tired of getting burnt himself he decided to burn a blunt for a change...I really gotta wonder if Turenne was REALLY involved, I mean he's usually at least 10-15 behind anytime something is being passed!!!!

heres the jailBIRD
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w152/flacat22/williams.jpg

That is a great picture!

I am willing to bet that the other guys were involved in some consumption. But what kind of a moron drives around smoking and playing music loud. I just can't get over how stupid that is. When you want to smoke you drive around back roads and keep it under wraps not roll around downtown with your music blarring.

[Doug Hardin]

That is a great picture!

I am willing to bet that the other guys were involved in some consumption. But what kind of a moron drives around smoking and playing music loud. I just can't get over how stupid that is. When you want to smoke you drive around back roads and keep it under wraps not roll around downtown with your music blarring.

No kidding. 2nd and Broadway is hardly a back street.

[johnkyblue]

That man probably needs maurijuana and it's first class stupid to make him a criminal over it. Society shoots itself in the foot on this one.

He might be violence prone without it. Maurijuana lowers testosterone levels which is associated with violence almost as closely as the temperature outside. There are a myriad of psychophysiological disorders that maurijuana helps people cope with. Granted, one could change dependencies from one of God's gifts to man to the big pharma, but that's stupid too.

The felony is for trying to hide it. That's stupid. He gave up and there is no report of him being anything but cooperative from that point.

How many of the other 12 charges are maurijuana related?

[wildcatcrazy]

Huh? Where did that come from?

I get no joy for the young man blowing this second opportunity but I also can't believe some are giving U of L a pass here.

The reason they gave the kid a second chance was because he was a great player----no other reason. I wonder if a tuba player in the band gets busted if he (or she) will get a second chance?

[chworld22]

That man probably needs maurijuana and it's first class stupid to make him a criminal over it. Society shoots itself in the foot on this one.

He might be violence prone without it. Maurijuana lowers testosterone levels which is associated with violence almost as closely as the temperature outside. There are a myriad of psychophysiological disorders that maurijuana helps people cope with. Granted, one could change dependencies from one of God's gifts to man to the big pharma, but that's stupid too.

The felony is for trying to hide it. That's stupid. He gave up and there is no report of him being anything but cooperative from that point.

How many of the other 12 charges are maurijuana related?

What?

That sounds like a bunch of excuses for a guy that was given chance after chance to not do stupid stuff. Who cares if he needs it. Does he have a prescription for it? If he doesn't have one then it is against the law regardless of if he thinks he needs it or not. We aren't making him a criminal over it the LAW is!!!

He didn't try to hide it he tried to EAT it not shove it under the seat or in the glove box he tried to chew it like a wad of big league chew weed flavor. How stupid do you have to be! Really if you are pulled over you don't start eating weed it takes to long and makes you breath smell like freakin weed if it didn't already from toking on it.

How could you take up for a kid that has been given so much god given talent and just throws it away time after time. Regardless of if he had any possession charges before when you have been in trouble for ANYTHING in the past you don't start rolling around downtown smoking it is just dumb.

[wildcatcrazy]

Correct and the problem in this case---as in many others--is that nobody kicked this young mans tail when he was younger because he could play.

He needed somebody to care about him enough to discipline him and making excuses for him now is adding fuel to that same fire IMO.

[johnkyblue]

I never said he was smart. If he had been in his house he would have been protected by the law, not the other way around.

Two stupids don't make a smart. :)

[Trueblujr]

Williams was dismissed because his arrest violated the aggreement he made with Tom Jurich before he came here. I think Jurich aggreed to let him come to Louisville as long as he kept his nose clean. basically a very short leash or a one strike your out...well strike one he's out. didn't take him long.

Personally if he didn't have the past he's had and if this was his first offense, He would be suiting up again.

[Blue Heaven]

Feel sorry? Are you kidding me? Why?

This is an example of a stupid, stupid, person who is nothing but a menace and drain on society. He is a useless idiot that contributes nothing positive to this world. He made his choices, he chose to steal, do drugs, sell drugs, etc....
I feel sorry for all, college kids, high school kids, adults, old-folks, who ever who get so involved with drugs that their life goes in a tailspin. What, do you think I think it's funny because he plays for UL? Give me a break. What if that were your kid? I did say he got what he deserved it's just a shame that's all.

[F4F]

Give me a break. What if that were your kid? I did say he got what he deserved it's just a shame that's all.

What if it was my kid? My kid leaves in 9.5 hours for a second tour in Iraq, an assignment which he requested. Obviously his upbringing may have been a bit different than Willie's. For the most part (stating the obvious), it is all in how the kid is reared. (Pun completely and totally intended). Success is a direct result of discipline, both personal and applied. I have first hand knowledge that my son pretty much always had a father near to assure that discipline.
Sadly, many others do not. My guess is Willie was on his own.
One great thing about college sports is that often times the applied discipline comes late for these kids but nevertheless takes.
Shame it didn't take for Willie.

[wildcatcrazy]

Well said---very few (if any) of us get joy out of a young man making a stupid mistake and putting his future at risk (U of L player or not).

But to suggest that he may be "violence prone without it" (the marijuanna) is way, way over the top in my opinion.

To also suggest that this young man is a "victim" only ignores the facts and--to my way of thinking---is the kind of logic that got him in trouble in the first place. He is a "victim" of his own choices---regardless of his family background.

I am blessed to have great kids but I also try to kick their but when they need it---and I also know that I am lucky (blessed) in many ways. I also know that "luck" could change at any moment. I realize this kid may have not had anyone to kick his butt--or hug his neck.

Lastly, to give a pass to U of L is laughable. They gave him a second chance out of the goodness of their heart or because he was a great player? The answer to that is obvious. (As I said earlier, if the tuba player in the band gets in similar trouble, does he get the same "second chance")----and as I understand it ---this is the young mans 12th chance.

All that said, I know of no one that gets any enjoyment out of this kind of thing---but to make excucuses for him or for U of L is over the top IMO.

[johnkyblue]

The US leads the world in percentage of population in prison for a reason....

[wildcatcrazy]

I am not sure I understand your response but we'll just agree to disagree.

By the way, I did not make the marijuana laws---but I do know that we are not allowed to pick and chose those laws that we like and those that we don't.

The young man is a victim--in many respects--of his own lack of charcter and poor decision making---and likely a victim of growning up in an envoironment that did not provide the needed disciple or love.

Your excuses that is is only marijana are just that--escuses.

And, by the way, he was not at home falling asleep on his couch--he was driving a car in what I presume was downtown Louisville--can you say "driving under the influence".

I have no clue what your reference to "the safeties were drawn in on this one" means.

No hard feelings on this end--just feel like making excuses for the young man is what got him to thinking he was above the law in the first place. I take no joy in his troubles.

[johnkyblue]

The safety reference, was a reference to 'over the top'. Draw the safeties up to stop the run and then go over the top, over their heads. I eventually deleted it.

[TrueblueCATfan]

just heard on the news IU basketball recruit Bud Mackey arrested for drug charges..will these kids ever learn

[johnkyblue]

It's insanity to keep trying to teach the lesson the same way, over and over again, and failing, all the meanwhile putting extremely large portions of your population in jail.

[flacat22]

yeah well before this discussion turned serious I made a couple of funny Turrenne jokes that noone noticed...are you all high? :icon_rolleyes:

[Blue Heaven]

What if it was my kid? My kid leaves in 9.5 hours for a second tour in Iraq, an assignment which he requested. Obviously his upbringing may have been a bit different than Willie's. For the most part (stating the obvious), it is all in how the kid is reared. (Pun completely and totally intended). Success is a direct result of discipline, both personal and applied. I have first hand knowledge that my son pretty much always had a father near to assure that discipline.
Sadly, many others do not. My guess is Willie was on his own.
One great thing about college sports is that often times the applied discipline comes late for these kids but nevertheless takes.
Shame it didn't take for Willie.
It's not always on how the kids are reared, but that plays a huge part. And I appreciate your kids service to our country. It takes a calling for a man or woman to join the armed forces especially in today's world IMHO:thumbup:

[F4F]

It's not always on how the kids are reared, but that plays a huge part. And I appreciate your kids service to our country. It takes a calling for a man or woman to join the armed forces especially in today's world IMHO:thumbup:

Thanks.
I suspect he will land in Kuwait during our ballgame.

[Bombastic Blue]

Feel sorry? Are you kidding me? Why?

This is an example of a stupid, stupid, person who is nothing but a menace and drain on society. He is a useless idiot that contributes nothing positive to this world. He made his choices, he chose to steal, do drugs, sell drugs, etc....

"Drain on society" is right! It will cost us $40,000 a year to keep this useless punk locked up. He ought to be free labor for the commenwealth until he gets out. And I sure don't want to hear any of that "rehabilitate" crap. Twelve arrests by the time he's 22 years old doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt, it just deserves locked up out of my face!

[johnkyblue]

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/prisonindex/graphs/incarcerationrate.jpg

Notice about where the "Drug War" started. This HASN'T WORKED!

[The Old School JPS]

It's insanity to keep trying to teach the lesson the same way, over and over again, and failing, all the meanwhile putting extremely large portions of your population in jail.

Yeah, we should just decriminalize theft, bank robbery, domestic violence, murder and the rape of children since they all keep happening in spite of us incarcerating people who do those things. :icon_rolleyes:

If you want to argue that marijuana is not any more socially destructive than alcohol or tobacco which both are legal, that's one thing - and a lot of people here might not disagree. Fact is, there's very little to justify marijuana being classified as a Schedule I controlled substance with things like heroin and GHB and therefore unavailable for any medical use when even things like cocaine and PCP (angel dust) are only Schedule II. But while those aspects of marijuana criminalization are certainly debatable, your argument above is a canard. The fact that some people continue to violate laws does not mean that those laws are misguided or bad or wrong.

And FWIW, another canard related to marijuana is the notion that our prisons are packed with people because of marijuana being criminalized. In Kentucky you cannot go to prison for marijuana except for trafficking in it (not mere possession) and even then you can't go to prison for it unless you already had a prior conviction for trafficking in it or you are trafficking in over eight ounces of it.

For possession or trafficking in under 8 ounces a person could get jail time (no more than 12 months, maximum), but this is very rare, most especially in cities, and in those times when it does happen it is usually in conjunction with other criminal charges for other things.

Regarding Williams' felony charge for tampering with physical evidence, if someone tries to keep evidence from the police, they've committed that crime. Trying to eat marijuana so that the police can't find it certainly qualifies for that, the same as flushing cocaine down the toilet or throwing a handgun into a river.

[johnkyblue]

because it's black market, if you are a user - you are a dealer - or will be at some point - to some degree. Splitting a bag between your best friend and yourself is 'dealing'.

[lighthouse]

Huh? Where did that come from?

I get no joy for the young man blowing this second opportunity but I also can't believe some are giving U of L a pass here.

The reason they gave the kid a second chance was because he was a great player----no other reason. I wonder if a tuba player in the band gets busted if he (or she) will get a second chance?

Probable the same treatment, but you won't read about that one in the paper, because that story doesn't sell papers.

[lighthouse]

It's insanity to keep trying to teach the lesson the same way, over and over again, and failing, all the meanwhile putting extremely large portions of your population in jail.

I agree to an extent, especially when the lessons are spelled out really simple from Genesis through Revelation.