View Full Version : Am I out of Line Here?
Buck_Naked
10-19-2007, 11:50 AM
NFL Hall-of-Famer Jim Brown, when asked what he thought of the post-touchdown antics now on display by most every player who scores in the NFL, gave what I believe to be one of the greatest responses EVER. He said he didn't particularly care for the displays, and added that players should "act like you've been there before".
So, am I out of line in saying that it's time UK football fans "act like they've been there before" and stop rushing the field after a big win?
Maybe I just need to lighten up a bit, but to me this gives the impression that we really didn't expect to win these games to begin with, and that's hardly conduct befitting a program striving for respect, IMHO.
Think about it: when was the last time UK fans hit the floor after a basketball game in Rupp? I can't recall any time in recent memory that has happened, and it's because we EXPECT to win every basketball game.
I'm interested in y'alls thoughts on this...
Craig the Blueheart
10-19-2007, 11:52 AM
NFL Hall-of-Famer Jim Brown, when asked what he thought of the post-touchdown antics now on display by most every player who scores in the NFL, gave what I believe to be one of the greatest responses EVER. He said he didn't particularly care for the displays, and added that players should "act like you've been there before".
So, am I out of line in saying that it's time UK football fans "act like they've been there before" and stop rushing the field after a big win?
Maybe I just need to lighten up a bit, but to me this gives the impression that we really didn't expect to win these games to begin with, and that's hardly conduct befitting a program striving for respect, IMHO.
Think about it: when was the last time UK fans hit the floor after a basketball game in Rupp? I can't recall any time in recent memory that has happened, and it's because we EXPECT to win every basketball game.
I'm interested in y'alls thoughts on this...
When have we been here before? :shrug1:
ryanebelhar
10-19-2007, 12:18 PM
There's rarely been a season where UK fans should expect to win every game.
BigBlueManiac
10-19-2007, 12:23 PM
Think about it: when was the last time UK fans hit the floor after a basketball game in Rupp? I can't recall any time in recent memory that has happened, and it's because we EXPECT to win every basketball game.
Let's see...
Basketball...
Seven National Championships.....
Six thousand SEC Championships....
A couple of million All Americans....
Respect & admiration in the entire basketball world....
Football...
One bowl win in the last 20+ years....
1st & goal from the 2 with Mark Higgs stopped four straight times...
Lorenzen's lame duck pass giving Florida a win at the end...
Leading Tennessee last year for 59 minutes & 20-some seconds... and losing....
Yeah, I'm gonna act like we're in the Sugar Bowl year after year...
No field rushing for MEEEEE!
BrassowFan
10-19-2007, 12:49 PM
I think that watching the fans rush the field adds to the excitement of the victory, it lets people know that they CARE about what is happening on the field. I would've been upset if the fans had just clapped after beating LSU, and will be equally upset if it occurs after the win over UF this weekend.
Passion about basketball has never been in doubt, we do walk out in an orderly fashion because we have been there before.. many times.. but it's good to see passion in regards to UK football and right now that's being demonstrated by the excitement witnessed at the games.
As for respect, UK is getting that more now than ever before and we've rushed the field twice this season! If it happens once more... there might be a little statue given to our QB... now THAT'S respect!
Matt Dillon
10-19-2007, 01:01 PM
I don't know about the act like we've been there before business, but I'd like to see it stop for two reasons. One, before someone's seriously injured, or worse, and two, I feel all the money UK is paying out in fines to the SEC could be better spent in other ways.
Buck_Naked
10-19-2007, 01:06 PM
When have we been here before? :shrug1:
I think you're missing my point. Many are lamenting the lack of respect UK is getting thus far this season despite their performance, and if the fans keep acting like every win is a first, well, what do you expect "outsiders" to think?
I'm sorry, I just think it's time to stop rushing the field after every nearly every win. Ohio State fans don't do it, USC fans don't do it, Florida and LSU fans don't do it.....THAT'S my point.
EDIT: Beating the No. 1 team was certainly worthy of rushing the field -- I'll give you that, but I'd hate to see it happen after we beat FLA because, after all, we are ranked higher than they are.
Craig the Blueheart
10-19-2007, 01:20 PM
I think you're missing my point. Many are lamenting the lack of respect UK is getting thus far this season despite their performance, and if the fans keep acting like every win is a first, well, what do you expect "outsiders" to think?
I'm sorry, I just think it's time to stop rushing the field after every nearly every win. Ohio State fans don't do it, USC fans don't do it, Florida and LSU fans don't do it.....THAT'S my point.
EDIT: Beating the No. 1 team was certainly worthy of rushing the field -- I'll give you that, but I'd hate to see it happen after we beat FLA because, after all, we are ranked higher than they are.
Why do you interpret our fans rushing the field as being a celebration for our first win? When those fans were on the field, they were acting like they just witnessed one of the greatest sporting events in their entire lives. I didn't think, "wow, this looks like they are celebrating the first win in the history of the program."
The bottom line is this: We aren't OSU, USC, UF or LSU. With a lot of luck and consistency we MIGHT be those guys in 15 years, but we aren't there yet.
Buck_Naked
10-19-2007, 01:26 PM
There's rarely been a season where UK fans should expect to win every game.
What I interpret from that statement is that the "culture of losing" is OK for the fans to hang on to, even though we expect the team to break away from it?
Believe me, I'm not trying to start arguments here, just trying to get a little dialogue going. But I've got to tell ya, it flat blows my mind that nobody else feels the same way I do regarding the "rushing the field" issue!
IMO it gives the appearance that UK fans feel like every win is an upset, which bothers me,....that's all I'm sayin'.
ryanebelhar
10-19-2007, 01:30 PM
What I interpret from that statement is that the "culture of losing" is OK for the fans to hang on to, even though we expect the team to break away from it?
Believe me, I'm not trying to start arguments here, just trying to get a little dialogue going. But I've got to tell ya, it flat blows my mind that nobody else feels the same way I do regarding the "rushing the field" issue!
IMO it gives the appearance that UK fans feel like every win is an upset, which bothers me,....that's all I'm sayin'.
Eh everyone has their opinion. I wish people would stop buying t-shirts with scores on them, because I want to be a fan of a team that wins with enough regularity that a victory isn't that big of a deal
BrassowFan
10-19-2007, 01:31 PM
What I interpret from that statement is that the "culture of losing" is OK for the fans to hang on to, even though we expect the team to break away from it?
Believe me, I'm not trying to start arguments here, just trying to get a little dialogue going. But I've got to tell ya, it flat blows my mind that nobody else feels the same way I do regarding the "rushing the field" issue!
IMO it gives the appearance that UK fans feel like every win is an upset, which bothers me,....that's all I'm sayin'.
It's not like we're storming the field after beating EKU... we're talking about UL, LSU and Florida... IMO, that's something to celebrate, at least for a program as inconsistent as UK.
VirginiaBlue
10-19-2007, 01:33 PM
Yeah, but...we can never say that we've "arrived" until we stop acting surprised about winning.
Buck_Naked
10-19-2007, 01:39 PM
It's not like we're storming the field after beating EKU... we're talking about UL, LSU and Florida... IMO, that's something to celebrate, at least for a program as inconsistent as UK.
I understand that completely, but it looks like me and everybody else are just going to have to agree to disagree on this subject, because the way I see it, until (or unless) we win the SEC championship, or a major bowl, or even the BCS championship, the "field storming" needs a few weeks off. To imply that you can't show your enthusiasm, support and excitement for the team in ways other than hopping the wall defies logic IMHO.
Buck_Naked
10-19-2007, 01:40 PM
Yeah, but...we can never say that we've "arrived" until we stop acting surprised about winning.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!! Thank you!!!!!!!!
chworld22
10-19-2007, 01:41 PM
I think that it is perfectly fine to rush the field after beating a top ten team. Seriously to look where we have been over the past few years. UK lost to freakin Ohio a couple years ago now we are beating LSU and fans want to complain about other fans showing their happiness in the form of rushing the field. Heck I say we make it our thing and rush it after every single win big or small. No really get over it UK is top 10 for the first time in decades and we still have fans that want to complain about something.
Buck_Naked
10-19-2007, 01:48 PM
I think that it is perfectly fine to rush the field after beating a top ten team. Seriously to look where we have been over the past few years. UK lost to freakin Ohio a couple years ago now we are beating LSU and fans want to complain about other fans showing their happiness in the form of rushing the field. Heck I say we make it our thing and rush it after every single win big or small. No really get over it UK is top 10 for the first time in decades and we still have fans that want to complain about something.
Sigh.....another person taking what I've said out of context....
I haven't "complained about" anything, I merely stated that rushing the field after every good win gives the impression.....you know what....nevermind.....you either get it or you don't.....jeez....
Mr. Tambourine Man
10-19-2007, 01:51 PM
as long as we win i could care less what the fans do
bret1555
10-19-2007, 01:54 PM
I think that we, as fans, have to stop taking ourselves so seriously. . . The national media could care less if we rush the field. The players seem to enjoy it, & the increase in ticket sales as a result of the excitement generated this season will more than off-set any fines.
The perception of our program will be a refelction of on-field results, NOT on whether or not we rush the field when we beat a team for the first time in 20+ years or knock off the #1 team. Navy has been to a bunch of bowls lately, but I bet if they ever beat Notre Dame at home - we would see thousands of Middies on the field. The point is, nobody really cares what fans do, so let's just relax and enjoy a great season.
Next season, we can "act like we've been there before," because we will have been there before.
BigBlueManiac
10-19-2007, 01:59 PM
Yeah, but...we can never say that we've "arrived" until we stop acting surprised about winning.
And until we've WON enough that I'm NOT surprised at a win over the #1 team in America, I'll continue to be "still arriving"!
(and I'll still be on the field)
Darned if I'm going to act like most of the people who have the best seats in Rupp. Winning football is a celebration, NOT an event to be seen at and applaud politely at.
gatorhator1
10-19-2007, 01:59 PM
Sigh.....another person taking what I've said out of context....
I haven't "complained about" anything, I merely stated that rushing the field after every good win gives the impression.....you know what....nevermind.....you either get it or you don't.....jeez....
He didn't say that it was "you" who was necessarily complaining. He was saying some fans in general are complaining. Anyways i think that it is great that we are rushing the field now because we are showing that we care. We are showing up to the games and being appreciative of what the players are doing. We have every right to rush the field after winning a big game.
UKhoov
10-19-2007, 02:00 PM
I am fine with rushing the field given the game and situation.
We could go back and forth (and have been recently) about this and both sides have very valid points.
We really havent done this before, and sure we beat UL who was #9, LSU who was #1, and maybe even knock off another team or two who is ranked, but this season IS our ARRIVAL.
This is the first year we have been seriously competitive to where we could actually be in the SEC Champ. game and even a BCS Bowl, and that statement alone should blow your mind. Heck if we win out we could be TITLE CONTENDERS....yea I said it...UK TITLE CONTENDERS.
If you expect me to sit down and watch it all happen your crazy. Enjoy this ride to the fullest. This is almost a once in a lifetime deal, seeing your team downtrodden for so long and I mean LONG, make the leap to legitimacy.
Now next year in the big games we made need to stay off the field, and you could truly say we had been here before. But dont tell me just because we knocked off the #1 team for the first time since the 60's we need to act like we've been here before, cuz I'm 26 and havent EVER seen a UK team do that in football!
The only reason to stay off the field now is for saftey and the fact Brooks would like to use the fine money to keep our top notch assistants around. And those IMHO are the only reasons.
capcat
10-19-2007, 02:00 PM
imo, it's not out of line to say that we shouldn't rush the field after a win. In fact, I can usually say that before a game and mean it, just not after :). That's when I think, "This one was different....it's okay to rush the field". Rushing the field aside, here's to many more wins like that. :beer:
BigBlueManiac
10-19-2007, 02:03 PM
this season IS our ARRIVAL.
This is the first year we have been seriously competitive to where we could actually be in the SEC Champ. game and even a BCS Bowl.
Enjoy this ride to the fullest. This is almost a once in a lifetime deal
Can I get a big ole A-Mennnnnnn?!?:thumbup:
84Cat
10-19-2007, 02:03 PM
Yeah, but...we can never say that we've "arrived" until we stop acting surprised about winning.
I agree, but the reality of it is that we haven't "arrived". Everyone knows it. And we won't until we sustain this year's performance for a few more years. And given our history, I think thats fair.
The exiciting thing to me is that Coach Brooks seems to have laid a foundation in place where sustained excellence on the football field (man, that's fun to say) seems like a possibility. We haven't had that around here for a long, long time. So yes, many of us are "surprised"... and it's great.
kyjones
10-19-2007, 03:22 PM
"Yeah, but...we can never say that we've "arrived" until we stop acting surprised about winning."
Surprised? I don't think the fans are storming the field because they are surprised. They are out there because they are EXCITED that the Cats beat a traditionally stronger foe.
as long as we win i could care less what the fans do
!!!!BINGO!!!!!!! He wins !!! You should get a prize for that post !!!
Must be a boring news day if were arguing about rushing the field hehe
Ill second Tambourine Mans post by saying " Who gives a flying pigs left arms pinky nails brothers sisters cousins suit jacket ! "if we rush the field or not? LOL
Its not like anythings going to be done about it lol EVERY FAN HAS THERE OWN THOUGHTS AND IF THAT FAN IS THINKING RUSH"THATS WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN.
Is it 5 yet? :icon_lol: I seriously need a :beer: :icon_biggrin:
goUKatsgo
10-19-2007, 04:45 PM
This may have been said earlier in a post but didnt Coach Brooks ask everyone to not rush the field because it does damage to the field, a field that our players have to play on and risk injury on, not to mention the money it costs. Our assitant coaches are going to start getting job offers I would rather see the $75,000 go towards bonuses and raises.
lribookend
10-19-2007, 05:27 PM
This may have been said earlier in a post but didnt Coach Brooks ask everyone to not rush the field because it does damage to the field, a field that our players have to play on and risk injury on, not to mention the money it costs. Our assitant coaches are going to start getting job offers I would rather see the $75,000 go towards bonuses and raises.
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Amen! It was fine to rush the field when we beat Alabama a few years back, Georgia last year, and UL and LSU this year. But it is getting as dull as watching the wave. I agree 100% with Buck_Naked. There are good reasons not to rush the field:
1) It damages the field, risking injury to OUR OWN PLAYERS in future games,
2) It costs the University money that I rather see go to our Assistant Coaches,
3) *Perhaps most importantly, innocent people can get hurt in the process, and
4) Rushing the field after you have beaten a team that is ranked lower than you is, well, I hate to say it, maybe a little RedNeck?
*Most of you probably aren't old enough to have children, but those of us who do would HATE to have our child injured by a crowd running on to the field. Isn't it enough to knock off Florida? I certainly hope we don't start burning couches or some other drunken, infantile behavior if we do. Try to show some class, fans! We aren't WVU fans!
GatorGuy8
10-19-2007, 05:28 PM
NFL Hall-of-Famer Jim Brown, when asked what he thought of the post-touchdown antics now on display by most every player who scores in the NFL, gave what I believe to be one of the greatest responses EVER. He said he didn't particularly care for the displays, and added that players should "act like you've been there before".
So, am I out of line in saying that it's time UK football fans "act like they've been there before" and stop rushing the field after a big win?
Maybe I just need to lighten up a bit, but to me this gives the impression that we really didn't expect to win these games to begin with, and that's hardly conduct befitting a program striving for respect, IMHO.
Think about it: when was the last time UK fans hit the floor after a basketball game in Rupp? I can't recall any time in recent memory that has happened, and it's because we EXPECT to win every basketball game.
I'm interested in y'alls thoughts on this...
I find it comical when SEC teams rush the field after a big win. Makes the rest of the SEC look very stupid.:icon_arrow:
Mountain Cat
10-19-2007, 05:49 PM
Rushing the field after a big win is a spontaneous emotional expression of the joy we feel as fans watching what NONE of us expected at the beginning of this season.
When the thrill of victory becomes the expection of victory then this event management issue will go away all by itself, without any need to try to make it go away.
For now, just enjoy it and be happy we are playing at a level that emotes this reaction.
Stucat
10-19-2007, 06:55 PM
I find it comical when SEC teams rush the field after a big win. Makes the rest of the SEC look very stupid.:icon_arrow:
I just hope that we have the option of whether or not to rush the field tomorrow as I know your team will do everything possible to make sure that we don't have the option. If Florida wins we won't have to think about it. If we win then we have the option of whether to rush the field or not. It is up to us to win the game first before we even think about rushing anything.
GatorGuy8
10-19-2007, 06:58 PM
I just hope that we have the option of whether or not to rush the field tomorrow as I know your team will do everything possible to make sure that we don't have the option. If Florida wins we won't have to think about it. If we win then we have the option of whether to rush the field or not. It is up to us to win the game first before we even think about rushing anything.
If you rushed the field after a win or loss it would be a sad sight to see. You are ranked ahead of us. Act like you've been there before. :icon_confused:
Stucat
10-19-2007, 07:05 PM
If you rushed the field after a win or loss it would be a sad sight to see. You are ranked ahead of us. Act like you've been there before. :icon_confused:
As long as we can beat Florida and continue to win games in football I really don't care what Florida fans think about us and that includes you GatorGuy8.
GatorGuy8
10-19-2007, 07:07 PM
As long as we can beat Florida and continue to win games in football I really don't care what Florida fans think about us and that includes you GatorGuy8.
You don't see the Gators rushing the court when they beat Kentucky.:shrug1:
Stucat
10-19-2007, 07:12 PM
You don't see the Gators rushing the court when they beat Kentucky.:shrug1:
You know and I know that Kentucky is better this year than we have been since maybe the Bear Bryant days of the late 1940's and early 1950's. This is all new to us. Florida has been in football what UK has been in basketball until just lately. So this is a new experience for us. Quit trying to tell us what to do or not do. I will be satisfied if we just win over you guys.
BigblueDrew
10-19-2007, 07:14 PM
They are mostly college kids having fun and enjoying an incredibly exciting moment. WERE ANY OF YOU GUYS EVER YOUNG.
Stucat
10-19-2007, 07:18 PM
They are mostly college kids having fun and enjoying an incredibly exciting moment. WERE ANY OF YOU GUYS EVER YOUNG.
Amen BigblueDrew. Football at UK is exciting now and it has been so many years since we have had a real thing in our football team. If we can beat those old baiting reptiles I will be happy.
GatorGuy8
10-19-2007, 07:25 PM
Have your fun while you can. I will admit you guys are a lot better this year than you may have ever been. But when you lose Andre Woodson, maybe the best QB in this years draft, things may go back to how they were. Honestly, I hope Kentucky sticks around and challenges every year in the SEC. Just means we have a stronger conferences, and likely that Georgia or Tennessee is doing bad.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
You don't see the Gators rushing the court when they beat Kentucky.:shrug1:
Yeah but we do see them acting like ***** and crying to there mothers and thumping there chest screaming at fans and looking like all around jack A's :)
Stucat
10-19-2007, 07:33 PM
Have your fun while you can. I will admit you guys are a lot better this year than you may have ever been. But when you lose Andre Woodson, maybe the best QB in this years draft, things may go back to how they were. Honestly, I hope Kentucky sticks around and challenges every year in the SEC. Just means we have a stronger conferences, and likely that Georgia or Tennessee is doing bad.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
I expect your basketball team will be less than desirable next year as well. You had two good years with an exceptional basketball team but Florida has never been a power house in basketball and it will take awhile before you are on top again. At least this year has been a start for our football team.
GatorGuy8
10-19-2007, 07:34 PM
Yeah but we do see them acting like ***** and crying to there mothers and thumping there chest screaming at fans and looking like all around jack A's :)
Hmm. Where have I heard this before? That's what every fan base of teams we beat would complain about. Honestly, it's pathetic that you see this in our team the last two seasons and not what they really were. They are a group of young men that loved one another, played as a team better than maybe any team ever, said the right things, did the right things, and were overall great people. They weren't A**es, they were just emotional players. Noah was an emotional dude. The team fed off his emotion. When he was thumping his chest and jumping up and down we played better. And don't for a second tell me you wouldn't take any of our players from our team and take the 2 National Championships we won. What you just wrote makes you sound like a sour ***** cat. Which is what you are.:icon_rolleyes:
GatorGuy8
10-19-2007, 07:37 PM
I expect your basketball team will be less than desirable next year as well. You had two good years with an exceptional basketball team but Florida has never been a power house in basketball and it will take awhile before you are on top again. At least this year has been a start for our football team.
Long time?? Please. We have another top 5 class already for 2008. We will win another National Title in basketball before you even win the SEC in Football. Sad but true. Your team has a long way to go.
Stucat
10-19-2007, 07:52 PM
Long time?? Please. We have another top 5 class already for 2008. We will win another National Title in basketball before you even win the SEC in Football. Sad but true. Your team has a long way to go.
I suppose you are the end all football guru. You know more about UK football than anyone else. Darn shame we don't have you as our coach. We are going to try to get there regardless of what you say. I don't like to brag too much like you do but all of your negative talk about our football team means nothing as things will work themselves out on the field.
GatorGuy8
10-19-2007, 07:56 PM
I suppose you are the end all football guru. You know more about UK football than anyone else. Darn shame we don't have you as our coach. We are going to try to get there regardless of what you say. I don't like to brag too much like you do but all of your negative talk about our football team means nothing as things will work themselves out on the field.
I'm not negative about your football team. I wish you all the luck in the World. But when you are playing the Gators I won't be patting you on the back telling you how good you are. It's the way things are with me. Sorry if you don't like it. If you don't win the SECCG this year, I don't see you winning it in the next ten years. That is the way I see it going down. Maybe a little harsh but I call 'em like I see 'em.:icon_neutral:
Stucat
10-19-2007, 08:04 PM
I'm not negative about your football team. I wish you all the luck in the World. But when you are playing the Gators I won't be patting you on the back telling you how good you are. It's the way things are with me. Sorry if you don't like it. If you don't win the SECCG this year, I don't see you winning it in the next ten years. That is the way I see it going down. Maybe a little harsh but I call 'em like I see 'em.:icon_neutral:
You love to bait us as well. Face it you would not be on our board talking about how bad we are going to be unless you weren't trying to bait us. I think this board has rules against baiting.
chworld22
10-19-2007, 08:06 PM
Sigh.....another person taking what I've said out of context....
I haven't "complained about" anything, I merely stated that rushing the field after every good win gives the impression.....you know what....nevermind.....you either get it or you don't.....jeez....
First of all like another poster said I wasn't referenceing you directly but if you want me to then I can.
I get what you are saying I just don't agree with it. I have the right to not agree with you as do you to have the opinion that you do. I see the point that rushing the field makes it look like we don't belong with the big boys of college football. I see that and I agree that it does that. But I also think that the way UK has been in football the past few years they DON'T belong with the big boys. UK is in the midst of something speical and this may not come back so celebrate in the manner you see fit is what I am saying.
UKS2H
10-19-2007, 08:12 PM
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Amen! It was fine to rush the field when we beat Alabama a few years back, Georgia last year, and UL and LSU this year. But it is getting as dull as watching the wave. I agree 100% with Buck_Naked. There are good reasons not to rush the field:
1) It damages the field, risking injury to OUR OWN PLAYERS in future games,
2) It costs the University money that I rather see go to our Assistant Coaches,
3) *Perhaps most importantly, innocent people can get hurt in the process, and
4) Rushing the field after you have beaten a team that is ranked lower than you is, well, I hate to say it, maybe a little RedNeck?
*Most of you probably aren't old enough to have children, but those of us who do would HATE to have our child injured by a crowd running on to the field. Isn't it enough to knock off Florida? I certainly hope we don't start burning couches or some other drunken, infantile behavior if we do. Try to show some class, fans! We aren't WVU fans!
1)We have not rushed the field this year when a lower ranked team than us was the loser.
2)Who is letting their children onto the field? And who has ever ran over people climbing out of the stands? That's a little absurd to believe for me, but maybe I'm clueless.
3)50,000 dollars is not that much money to pay for merchandise to be flying off the shelves at a record level.
4)If the field is being damaged by people running onto the field with tennis shoes, then we need to quit letting the marching band on there as well. This kind of logic is wrong.
While I understand there are a portion of the fan base who don't want us to rush the field, you are just going to have to get over it.
If we beat Tennessee for the first time in 20+ years, it will happen again.
chworld22
10-19-2007, 08:44 PM
1)We have not rushed the field this year when a lower ranked team than us was the loser.
2)Who is letting their children onto the field? And who has ever ran over people climbing out of the stands? That's a little absurd to believe for me, but maybe I'm clueless.
3)50,000 dollars is not that much money to pay for merchandise to be flying off the shelves at a record level.
4)If the field is being damaged by people running onto the field with tennis shoes, then we need to quit letting the marching band on there as well. This kind of logic is wrong.
While I understand there are a portion of the fan base who don't want us to rush the field, you are just going to have to get over it.
If we beat Tennessee for the first time in 20+ years, it will happen again.
:thumbup:
MudCat
10-19-2007, 09:00 PM
[quote=UKS2H;340056]1)We have not rushed the field this year when a lower ranked team than us was the loser.
2)Who is letting their children onto the field? And who has ever ran over people climbing out of the stands? That's a little absurd to believe for me, but maybe I'm clueless.
3)50,000 dollars is not that much money to pay for merchandise to be flying off the shelves at a record level.
4)If the field is being damaged by people running onto the field with tennis shoes, then we need to quit letting the marching band on there as well. This kind of logic is wrong.
Just playing devil's advocate:
1) So, since Florida is ranked lower than UK, what does that mean? I know it's long winning streak they have against UK, but think about the metaphorical 'slap in the face' it would be to the defending National Champ if UK fans didn't storm the field? To me, that's a bigger statement than rushing the field.
2) Last year, I sat in the front row of the end zone where the goalpost came down, and while I wasn't brutalized, I got clobbered a couple good shots in the back and head. Didn't really hurt me, but still, I'm not a 6-year-old. (And let's not forget Tom Leach's son getting his arm broken at the UL game.)
3) I would agree 50K isn't the end of the world to the Athletic Department, but remember, this would be a total of 130K in a year, and UK doesn't get every dime of the merchandise sales. They get a cut of it, after the NCAA, Nike (for their branded clothing), and I'm sure the SEC gets a cut, too. Granted, the AD's budget is large, but that 130K has to come from somewhere.
4) I agree that people with tennis shoes probably don't do that much damage, however, people pulling up grass and hunks of sod do a great deal of damage. Remember, this is three games in three weeks the team is in the middle of playing, so the time for the field to be taken care of between games is much less than say, between the Mississippi State and Tennesse games. It's also fall and the weather, while it's been nice, is somewhat unpredictable, which also adds into the mix.
Don't misunderstand me, I completely understand rushing the field. I personally wouldn't do it, but I'm not going to condemn others for it.
Here's one other thought: At some point, some wiseacre from ESPN or CBSSportsline, etc., is going to ask if UK fans are going to rush the field every time the team wins.
Again, rush it if you want, but please get it out of your system this year.
Hey, at least nobody did the wave last week. I think that's a fair trade. :icon_biggrin:
Blue 24/7
10-19-2007, 09:15 PM
as long as we win i could care less what the fans do
I agree!
What's next, no clapping or cheering? The team is having fun. The fans are having fun. Let's keep it rollin' and leave the political correctness for Ohio State and their red cardigans.
Dawood Khan
10-19-2007, 10:58 PM
A team has not arrived in one year of successful football.
Kansas State, Northwestern and Stanford have all had outstanding years in Football as Kentucky is currently having (if they finish out the year as they have started). Now look at them. The fans will act like they've been there before when they have been there before. In my experience, the fans FOLLOW the program. When (if) UK has established itself as a football program of note and become a year in and year out power over the course of a decade or more, then it will be a matter of "acting like you've been there before." Right now, UK is having what looks to be a break out season. So the fans are enjoying it and breaking out themselves. I see nothing wrong with this.
UK may be a flash in the pan. If the UKAA has anything to do with it, UK will sink back down to the middle of the pack or lower by making bad decisions over the next couple of years. THAT has been the pattern.
Let's hope Mitch Barnhart breaks that routine and strengthens the program and no one decides to start cheating as in the past. UK Football needs to become solid over time and then build into a power. It is not an overnight process. It takes time. The Football powers did not become so over night. Neither did our basketball team.
The fans will not become used to winning or being a power overnight either. The fans will take time to adapt. It's all about habits. You don't develop new habits over time.
I'm sure most UK fans are still expecting a let down each game. Get up big on UF and then give up three touchdowns in the fourth quarter. Something like that. It's a conditioned reaction to years of bad football and a total lack of real leadership in the football program.
It looks to me like Brooks and Barnhart are doing it right with patience and a steady hand. Let's see if they can build it and give it a firm foundation so that once Brooks retires, Barnhart can make a really good hire and keep the program growing.
Over time the fans will get used to winning and come to expect it. But it takes time. It will not happen over night. It just won't. We are humans. Creatures of habit.
Hmm. Where have I heard this before? That's what every fan base of teams we beat would complain about. Honestly, it's pathetic that you see this in our team the last two seasons and not what they really were. They are a group of young men that loved one another, played as a team better than maybe any team ever, said the right things, did the right things, and were overall great people. They weren't A**es, they were just emotional players. Noah was an emotional dude. The team fed off his emotion. When he was thumping his chest and jumping up and down we played better. And don't for a second tell me you wouldn't take any of our players from our team and take the 2 National Championships we won. What you just wrote makes you sound like a sour ***** cat. Which is what you are.:icon_rolleyes:
I would take Green hes about the only one I saw that didn't disrespect the opposing team :P But anyways I'm not going to argue about BBall :) Back on topic like UKS2H the band is actually a bit worse than fans when you think about it, there out there stomping LOL but like I said it wont stop if people want to storm the field they will... Unless they start fining people LOL
"P.S" FLA has 2 NCs and all the fans Ive been in contact with were cocky POS that jumped on the wagon when FLA won the first one. Pretending they have been fans for life and FLA has always beat KY LOL I always point out the game where you guys were #1 for all of 2 halves a few years ago. And even then our fans were not rubbing it in like FLA has the last few years. I wish your team the best this year and every year, but to compare that team with the 96 team makes my sides hurt from laughter. Well I guess I'm still arguing with you about BBall :big_grin: sorry my last post on the subject I swear.
lribookend
10-20-2007, 04:40 AM
1)We have not rushed the field this year when a lower ranked team than us was the loser.
Exactly. We are talking about the upcoming FLORIDA GAME. THEY ARE ranked lower. If you read my post, I said I DID NOT have a problem understanding why people would rush the field in the earlier games. In the case of Florida this week, though, the situation is different. Please read the post again.
2)Who is letting their children onto the field? And who has ever ran over people climbing out of the stands? That's a little absurd to believe for me, but maybe I'm clueless.
Yes, you are clueless. Over the years, there have been many, many cases of people being hurt as fans prepared to storm the field in football, or the court in basketball. That is why the rule was passed in the first place, because people were gettting hurt, and that is why there haven't been more injuries in recent years after the rule was passed. However, I believe earlier this year alone, a prominent coach's child was knocked from a railing to the ground, breaking her arm, as fans surged down the ramps towards the field. Maybe someone else can remember the Coach/School I am referring to. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ON THE FIELD TO GET HURT!@
3)50,000 dollars is not that much money to pay for merchandise to be flying off the shelves at a record level.
The University only gets a small percentage in licensing/royalties on the UK merchandise.....most profits go to the retailer. The UK merchandise is not manufactured or sold directly by the university.
4)If the field is being damaged by people running onto the field with tennis shoes, then we need to quit letting the marching band on there as well. This kind of logic is wrong.
Well, maybe you should tell COACH BROOKS that, because he is the one who brought up the damage and potential injury to the UK Players in his press conference, lol.
While I understand there are a portion of the fan base who don't want us to rush the field, you are just going to have to get over it.
There were arests last week, a few in connection with fans trying to rush the field. Maybe you will be "getting over it" from a jail cell this week. Good luck.
If we beat Tennessee for the first time in 20+ years, it will happen again.
Yeah, some people never learn, unfortunately.
ALConvert
10-20-2007, 11:10 AM
I believe that rushing the field in this situation this season is perfectly fine.
That 25,000 dollars is nothing compared to next games ticket sales because everyone wants in our excitement. And i think that the university understands this. Whoever said we have only done this when beating top 10 teams is perfectly right. WE DIDNT EXPECT TO WIN THOSE GAMES... What do you want us to do... Give a golf clap? This is football people. And If we win FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 20 YEARS against Florida.. then i think that if someone is excited about beating the DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPIONS that they should go have a little party on the field. I know that plenty of mean Alabama fans down here who are usually making snide remarks about my Kentucky Fever are being so supportive of our ARRIVAL. the point is... WE ARENT HERE YET.... Do we have a Heisman or a SEC title or a BCS win in our hands.... NO. We are still pulling into the station. SO. in this case. Party on. And NO one can say that we dont get into the game... We are starting to get a reputation as having alot of DIEHARD fans... at least down here in the deep south. Is that so bad... Im sure whoever writes those checks for 25,000 smiles as they recieve MILLIONS in profits because everyone wants to be a part of the BLUE FEVER.
ALConvert
10-20-2007, 11:23 AM
I'm not negative about your football team. I wish you all the luck in the World. But when you are playing the Gators I won't be patting you on the back telling you how good you are. It's the way things are with me. Sorry if you don't like it. If you don't win the SECCG this year, I don't see you winning it in the next ten years. That is the way I see it going down. Maybe a little harsh but I call 'em like I see 'em.:icon_neutral:
Gosh..
You sound just like a friend of mine.
Minus the Football knowledge.
He is man enough to admit that we have a chance of winning.
I have read some of your other posts and they make me laugh.
The biggest difference between you and my friend.
He's not one of those Florida fans... that makes Florida fans look like jerks.
He congratulates me on a good game and i do likewise.
Get some tact.
You complain about how we percieve your players...
Actually I dont think anything bad about your players..
You... However. Thats another story.
So.
Good luck today.
I'm praying for the safety of your players and i game that will humble your big mouth into silence.
AMEN.
CatFanInTheBathtub
10-20-2007, 12:25 PM
my two cents is this, and I say this not having read the entire thread:
the "act like you expect to win" issue is in fact a non-issue because of this. there are what 70,000+ people at the game, and maybe a couple thousand tops have been rushing the field. That's a pretty small % of people to get into an argument about whether we've arrived as a program or how those particular field rushers should act after a win. Just look at it like 95% of the people left the game in an orderly fashion.
the real debate should be about the fines and the possibility of injury.
The Old School JPS
10-21-2007, 11:30 AM
NFL Hall-of-Famer Jim Brown, when asked what he thought of the post-touchdown antics now on display by most every player who scores in the NFL, gave what I believe to be one of the greatest responses EVER. He said he didn't particularly care for the displays, and added that players should "act like you've been there before".
I agree with Brown 100%. After attending my nephew's football game last week, I told him that. I wish I had seen this post before then.
As to UK fans, I think fans of any program in the country would storm the field after beating the #1 team in the nation. But now that we've done it, I hope we don't do it again, this year or another year, until we either beat another #1 team or clinch the East.
A lot of fans might agree but make an exception for ending the losing streak against Florida or Tennessee. I can't vehemently disagree with that but would hope that would only be the case if we were playing a really good team from one of those schools (Tennessee this year not being one, at least so far).
UKS2H
10-21-2007, 06:48 PM
I am tempted to reply to this thread again, but this time I think I'll take a different perspective...
Wow, it feels good to be able to argue about rushing the field numerous times. :big_grin:
Go Big Blue!
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