down 19 with under 4:00 on senior day

[BigCat33]

its time for tubby to pack his bags. ive had his back all year. he is seeing what having real post men can be like. this is embarrasing. im disgusted with this season. this is my last post of this season. a loss like this on senior day. we DONT LOSE on senior day.

[Spanish Moss]

We do now. The truth is this will not be the last Senior Day we lose. This is a new Kentucky basketball era. We are kind and gentle and average.

[blueheretic]

Florida Cracker wrote: We do now. The truth is this will not be the last Senior Day we lose. This is a new Kentucky basketball era. We are kind and gentle and average.

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

Florida Cracker wrote: We do now. The truth is this will not be the last Senior Day we lose. This is a new Kentucky basketball era. We are kind and gentle and average.



You are predicting the future. How do you know what will happen in the future?

This sounds like pessimism to me.

[Spanish Moss]

CatFanInTheBathtub wrote: Florida Cracker wrote: We do now. The truth is this will not be the last Senior Day we lose. This is a new Kentucky basketball era. We are kind and gentle and average.



You are predicting the future. How do you know what will happen in the future?

This sounds like pessimism to me.


A good judge of the future is past performance. 10 loss Tubby is now a pattern. May I remind you Tubby has set a standard for 10 game loss seasons, what gives you hope that will change or do you care if it changes?

You call it pessimism, I call it realism.

[Stretch]

Randolph Morris played five minutes in the first half and we could not buy a basket--and still we only trailed by one. If we make shots and the refs let Morris play the same way they let Noah and Horford, we would have been up 10 at the halftime break and it would have been a completely different game.

How many uncontested three-pointers did Sparks miss when we had the chance to forge a big lead? Tubby can't shoot the wide open jumpers for the players and he can't help it that the refs took Morris out of the game.

[baldcat]

Something has to change whether it be coaches, players, or what have you.

UK is slipping into UCLA post Wooden territory.

Unacceptable.

[Stretch]

Where is this 10-loss pattern we are "slipping into"? The last three seasons we were 32-4, 27-5 and 28-6. Just last year we were a double-OT game from the Final Four.

[Stucat]

Stretch wrote: Randolph Morris played five minutes in the first half and we could not buy a basket--and still we only trailed by one. If we make shots and the refs let Morris play the same way they let Noah and Horford, we would have been up 10 at the halftime break and it would have been a completely different game.

How many uncontested three-pointers did Sparks miss when we had the chance to forge a big lead? Tubby can't shoot the wide open jumpers for the players and he can't help it that the refs took Morris out of the game.

I am not blaming anyone but our team and our coach. The fans didn't cause us to lose as some seem to think and the refs didn't cause it either but the truth is Morris just can't play with Noah and Alleyene and Orbzuts well I won't even go there. I guess things like this just happen as Duke lost on senior night to a very good UNC last night on their home court.

[Spanish Moss]

Stretch wrote: Where is this 10-loss pattern we are "slipping into"? The last three seasons we were 32-4, 27-5 and 28-6. Just last year we were a double-OT game from the Final Four.


2000 10 losses
2001 10 losses
2002 10 losses

In 1999 we lost 9. This year we have lost 11. Tubby has been here 9 years and almost half of the seasons he has lost 10 games.

Look at the history of our program and you will see this as a pattern. Kentucky does not lose 10 games a year or at least it seldom did before our present coach. I can't spin this any other way. This program is not Top 25 anymore much less elite.

[cats4lifenc]

Stretch wrote: Where is this 10-loss pattern we are "slipping into"? The last three seasons we were 32-4, 27-5 and 28-6. Just last year we were a double-OT game from the Final Four.
that game seems like another lifetime ago

[Buddah]

Stretch wrote:
Where is this 10-loss pattern we are "slipping into"?Â* The last three seasons we were 32-4, 27-5 and 28-6.Â* Just last year we were a double-OT game from the Final Four.


I could also point to one of the weakest times in the SEC in a long long long time... Hell, Tubby is in a football conference that hasn't been worth a crude in many years, with all the resources that anyone can hope for, and you point out three good years.

you point out those three seasons like they are acheivement, that is just Kentucky winning as expected. five seasons with nine or more losses, 1 NBA first round draft pick, sub par recruiting, a huge myraid of off the court problems and transfers in his tenure here.

coach k, roy they have three ten lose years and they have been coaching twenty years, there is a defnite patterns as john pointed out. make all the excuses you want, but we are on a decline. i don't see how anyone could think otherwise.

[cats4lifenc]

Florida Cracker wrote: Stretch wrote: Where is this 10-loss pattern we are "slipping into"? The last three seasons we were 32-4, 27-5 and 28-6. Just last year we were a double-OT game from the Final Four.


2000 10 losses
2001 10 losses
2002 10 losses

In 1999 we lost 9. This year we have lost 11. Tubby has been here 9 years and almost half of the seasons he has lost 10 games.

Look at the history of our program and you will see this as a pattern. Kentucky does not lose 10 games a year or at least it seldom did before our present coach. I can't spin this any other way. This program is not Top 25 anymore much less elite.



and we pay how much money per year on thecoaches salary for this? i don't think we are getting much return on that investment....i think some fans have been lulled to sleep about the state and overall direction of this program...i know i am not happy with it....i will still watch,root,support, and cheer for them until they put me in the ground.....but i think UK can and should be doing better than we are now

[gerntz]

And what makes you think we'll be back to this5-loss average range for the next three years with a F4 appearance? People might feel differrently if they could see a bright future as imminent.

Stretch wrote: Where is this 10-loss pattern we are "slipping into"? The last three seasons we were 32-4, 27-5 and 28-6. Just last year we were a double-OT game from the Final Four.

[graham51]

Its eleven losses now in a couple of weeks it will probably be 13 losses.

[Travelin_Cat]

Let me give you a dose of reality....from a different perspective. When Tubby came to KY...there was 11 companies providing travel to road BB games.....now there is 3 of us left.

From the first year of Tubbyball to now, I have lost 80% of my UK basketball business. Next year, ifI remove the Maui Tournament from the mix (Thank God for Maui).....I will be taking more people to see football games than basketball! Football games?

We beat Tennessee.....all right. Did any announcer refer to Tennessee arena as Rupp Arena South? When Tubby can on board, there would be50+ buses parked along stadium drive. The last time I have done a Tennessee trip was 3 YEARS AGO!

There was one other bus there from Paducah..........

This year...everyone knew it was the most important game of the year, right? We didn't receive a single phone call asking if we were going down for the game....not one.

The largest provider of UK shirts, etc,in Lexington, was expanding and opening new locations when Tubby came on board.......they have since closed the new locations and are back to just their original location downtown. A certain UK oriented newspaper has seen its following drop off....has moved from it's own building to 3 tiny offices.

All of these things may not seem like anything important.....just someone ranting over loss of business....

But, business in non sports is now at an all time high! Is there a pattern here... an indication of a few symptoms of a problem in the fan base? I think so......

But, Tubby's not the only one that needs to go.......the AD needs to hit the road, too!

JMHO

[ukcatfan]

Man, you should run that under a post and call it "Everyone WCN Poster should read this".

Real eye opening.

[Spanish Moss]

Great to see your name again Travelin Cat.

You laid out a dose of reality for anyone interested enough to read it. The decline of the interest in the program is something we often over look. But it is obvious if you make a living working with the fan base.

I remember the days when our fan's buses lined our opponents streets.

[Travelin_Cat]

Hey, Cracker......

Yeah...I still drop in for a read or two........

I speak the truth.......but I accepted the prospect a few years ago and adjusted to it.

In the beginning I was excited about Tubby coming here.....when we were going down to Georgia for KY games, the program was buzzing and alive.......I was fooled because I was looking from one plateau down onto another one......Georgia could only move up.....and UK.....well?

Remember the Peter Principle, one keeps rising in their profession until they reach their level of incompetence....and then they are in a rut...lost, struggling to find the direction taking them upward again........Tubby has reached this level in coaching college basketball. I feel his pain......

I gave up on the political board...got tired of arguing the same arguments.........I like Blogging now......;)