Four more?

[m0fats]

Anyone listening to thezone right now? Matt Jones just had a seemingly credible call regarding a Larry Vaught post that has just hit scout stating four ADDITIONAL players are looking to transfer at the holiday break.

anyone with news on this?

[Craig the Blueheart]

Anyone listening to thezone right now? Matt Jones just had a seemingly credible call regarding a column writers post that has just hit scout stating four ADDITIONAL players are looking to transfer at the holiday break.


anyone with news on this?


I am not listening, but are you saying that a journalist has called in?

[m0fats]

conley was the call in, and MJ just said the post has to be from Larry Vaught, but they can't get internet access in the booth to check it out right now.

[BRN2BNK]

Just heard it. I am listening to the show. Evidently Larry Vaught posted on his website but I do not have access. Does anyone else have some fodder to post?

[Craig the Blueheart]

I am not listening, so if anyone out there is, can you respond?

[BRN2BNK]

Surely someone has this information on this site???

The caller sounded less than credible, but I dont normally listen due to the whole internet streaming obstacle.

[Josh]

Well, who were we all thinking anyway? Most seem to think Jared Carter is gone, I've heard Mike Williams, but who else? We're literally starting to run out of bodies before we get into the heart of our depth.

[m0fats]

I hesitate to start throwing guesses around. That just opens the flood gates.

[ukbob]

This is nuts people.

Between random callers and Matt Jones posting this stuff in his blog, UK fans are going bonkers. Nobody names anyone, just spit out tiny pieces of "this is what I hear" information to keep you interested.

If anyone here did not think we would or could lose some players this year, then they must have been day-dreaming.

It is BG's job to control this situation, if there is a situation to control. He makes big bucks to run this ship. Let him earn it.

My suggestion....Just wait until it happens...or it doesn't happen...then expound on it.

[Craig the Blueheart]

While I think it is good not to start unsubstantiated rumors, I have no problem with expounding upon informed information that help build predictions. If there are folks close to the program that say "four more" could transfer, then I want to discuss it. If there are crazy folks calling in speculating that others are on the way out, then it is wreckless at best to discuss.

[matt colvin]

:mad:

I have a request for the moderators of forum, any of you.

Can you please keep this thread under control? You all do a good job, but this could get very ugly and/or hurtful quickly. Legion hasn't officially transferred yet, and look what's been said in that thread.

I'm not asking for tyranny, just a watchful eye. These players are people too.

[catmandoo025]

:mad:

I have a request for the moderators of forum, any of you.

Can you please keep this thread under control? You all do a good job, but this could get very ugly and/or hurtful quickly. Legion hasn't officially transferred yet, and look what's been said in that thread.

I'm not asking for tyranny, just a watchful eye. These players are people too.

It looks to be under conrol. There is such a feeling of uncertainty about our program right now, I can understand people getting a little nervous but we all just have to let everything pan out. We have no control over what will happen. We will be fine!

[Gunsmoke]

I don't want Alex to leave. However, if he does then how on earth can our coach be blamed in the short time he has been here? Good grief Charlie Brown.

[catmandoo025]

I don't want Alex to leave. However, if he does then how on earth can our coach be blamed in the short time he has been here? Good grief Charlie Brown.

Believe me, I'm not blaming BCG, but he and Legion have been here about the same amount of time and Legion is Gillispie's recruit, so his short tenure is irrelevant in this situation. It's no ones fault, it just happened.

[Gunsmoke]

Definitely not blaming you or anyone else. Just stating my opinion. Which with a quarter of course will not buy a cup of coffee.:icon_lol:

[catmandoo025]

Definitely not blaming you or anyone else. Just stating my opinion. Which with a quarter of course will not buy a cup of coffee.:icon_lol:

:beer::thumbup::widcat:

[Craig the Blueheart]

:mad:

I have a request for the moderators of forum, any of you.

Can you please keep this thread under control? You all do a good job, but this could get very ugly and/or hurtful quickly. Legion hasn't officially transferred yet, and look what's been said in that thread.

I'm not asking for tyranny, just a watchful eye. These players are people too.

This thread looks ok to me so far. As always, we will keep an eye on it, however.

[matt colvin]

This thread looks ok to me so far. As always, we will keep an eye on it, however.

Exactly. But, as you know, it could easily go to the "I hope it's this person", "this person doesn't need to be here", etc.

Just a request before it went there :thumbup: Luckily it's getting later and people can sleep on it some. Hopefull we'll have some definitive news in the morning, of a better tone.

[Craig the Blueheart]

Exactly. But, as you know, it could easily go to the "I hope it's this person", "this person doesn't need to be here", etc.

Just a request before it went there :thumbup: Luckily it's getting later and people can sleep on it some. Hopefull we'll have some definitive news in the morning, of a better tone.

I hope you are right.

[KapitalCat]

This is nuts people.

Between random callers and Matt Jones posting this stuff in his blog, UK fans are going bonkers. Nobody names anyone, just spit out tiny pieces of "this is what I hear" information to keep you interested.

If anyone here did not think we would or could lose some players this year, then they must have been day-dreaming.

It is BG's job to control this situation, if there is a situation to control. He makes big bucks to run this ship. Let him earn it.

My suggestion....Just wait until it happens...or it doesn't happen...then expound on it.

Some of the fanbase look like the idiots Dickie V says we are and a the program looks like it's not a lot of fun because of the scrutiny....it's truly becoming frustrating..

[BigblueDrew]

I have been saying a bunch of players might leave since last Spring so this rumor , if true, wouldn't suprise me.Whoever wants to go needs to do so. Last years team was one of the worst teams in 40 years. It's time to start from scratch, that means EVERYONE on the team must be totally committed to the coach and the program. if they aren't WE don't need them. Will a large defection of players hurt in the short term ; yes. Will it bebifit us in the long run; I think so. My biggest fear is our fan base will freak out and over react and thus drag out the total rebuilding process even further. Folks UK basketball WAS BROKE and there is no simple painless way to fix it. Does anyone really believe if we had anything coming back this year Tubby would have bolted, please! I just hope every one can remain sane long enough for Gillespie to straighten us out (if he can). The bottom line here is THIS SEASON IS GOING TO BE A WASH. Accept it, and try to take your basketball pleasures in the very small doses this team may give you and wish for happier days.

[baldcat]

Agreed BBD.

This program my well need on big blue enema.

I have been saying a bunch of players might leave since last Spring so this rumor , if true, wouldn't suprise me.Whoever wants to go needs to do so. Last years team was one of the worst teams in 40 years. It's time to start from scratch, that means EVERYONE on the team must be totally committed to the coach and the program. if they aren't WE don't need them. Will a large defection of players hurt in the short term ; yes. Will it bebifit us in the long run; I think so. My biggest fear is our fan base will freak out and over react and thus drag out the total rebuilding process even further. Folks UK basketball WAS BROKE and there is no simple painless way to fix it. Does anyone really believe if we had anything coming back this year Tubby would have bolted, please! I just hope every one can remain sane long enough for Gillespie to straighten us out (if he can). The bottom line here is THIS SEASON IS GOING TO BE A WASH. Accept it, and try to take your basketball pleasures in the very small doses this team may give you and wish for happier days.

[fakegimel]

Its strange how this is currently playing out. Evidently FoxSports's Jeff Goodman -- who loves twisting the nipples of the Wildcat faithful -- has a source close enough to publish the story. The rest of the media still can't confirm the story with Alex or his mother. Else we would have an official ESPN/CBS/AP/etc. news story about it.

The fact that Larry Vaught made his post on scout.com about 4 others wanting to leave (allegedly -- I haven't seen it with my own eyes) also seems to be unconfirmed. What we do know is the following:

1) What the coach said during his radio show today (Legion and he met on Friday, etc.)
2) Alex Legion's mom voicing her disapproval at Rupp Arena Saturday

[m0fats]

I've got to keep reminding myself of that , gimel. I really want alex to stay, and we shouldn't be so quick to take the word of one squeaky wheel.

[m0fats]

and 30 seconds later, it is confirmed. :icon_frown:

[KY Native in IN]

if we beat gardner webb, beat stony brook by 784 points, beat north carolina nobody would've breathed a word of concern about Coach....

this is absurdity, did we think Coach would come in here and win the national championship in december?

Coach inherited a team that is what it is....he's got his work cut out for him...but he's got his sleeves rolled up and is in the mud and mire trying to get the ox out of the ditch....but they don't give out any trophies in december....tubby didn't leave the cupboard bare, but a couple of the hinges are missing and the doors are cracked in half on the floor and a one of the shelves is missing....

YES, we are UK but we're seeing how much in the crapper we've been the last couple of seasons....give Coach time....this season is not going to be a "wash", it may be painful at times, but it'll get turned around and once SEC play starts we'll be better off...

just for heaven's sake stop all this "panic in the streets" mess....

[JayB]

if we beat gardner webb, beat stony brook by 784 points, beat north carolina nobody would've breathed a word of concern about Coach....

this is absurdity, did we think Coach would come in here and win the national championship in december?

Coach inherited a team that is what it is....he's got his work cut out for him...but he's got his sleeves rolled up and is in the mud and mire trying to get the ox out of the ditch....but they don't give out any trophies in december....tubby didn't leave the cupboard bare, but a couple of the hinges are missing and the doors are cracked in half on the floor and a one of the shelves is missing....

YES, we are UK but we're seeing how much in the crapper we've been the last couple of seasons....give Coach time....this season is not going to be a "wash", it may be painful at times, but it'll get turned around and once SEC play starts we'll be better off...

just for heaven's sake stop all this "panic in the streets" mess....


LMAO thats great. Very funny.

[KYISSUPREME]

I don't think the news of someone transfering is a shock to me. I kind of expected it. But not Legion. I'm sorry to see him go, but wish him the best. Hopefully, this is best for Legion. Folks, it's going to get worse before it gets better. But it will get better. It always has, always will. This thing is going to take some time. More time than the Rick Pitino rebuild took. We don't have the core of dedicated players now that we did then. And maybe not as much talent. I think BCG will get things straightened out. It may not be pretty at times, and it may hurt. But that's what being a fan is all about. As for the current and future players, be prepared to bend your will to Gillispie's. He won't have it any other way. And shouldn't.

[wildcat74]

I have been saying a bunch of players might leave since last Spring so this rumor , if true, wouldn't suprise me.Whoever wants to go needs to do so. Last years team was one of the worst teams in 40 years. It's time to start from scratch, that means EVERYONE on the team must be totally committed to the coach and the program. if they aren't WE don't need them. Will a large defection of players hurt in the short term ; yes. Will it bebifit us in the long run; I think so. My biggest fear is our fan base will freak out and over react and thus drag out the total rebuilding process even further. Folks UK basketball WAS BROKE and there is no simple painless way to fix it. Does anyone really believe if we had anything coming back this year Tubby would have bolted, please! I just hope every one can remain sane long enough for Gillespie to straighten us out (if he can). The bottom line here is THIS SEASON IS GOING TO BE A WASH. Accept it, and try to take your basketball pleasures in the very small doses this team may give you and wish for happier days.

Good post BBD, I agree with every word. Lets keep cool people.

[ukbob]

Agreed BBD.

This program my well need on big blue enema.


Even if the enema included names like Meeks and Jasper? Because those are 2 of the names being thrown around out there a lot.

Personally, I think it is time for Gillispie to evaluate exactly what is best for the program as a whole and keep everyone intact for a while. Pretty hard to do sometimes because you cannot let the inmates run the nuthouse.

Very tiresome time and frustrating. I grew very weary of the Tubby turmoils over the years. It wore me flat out. I have no desire to live through it again.

I think Billy is the guy to get us there, but he has to get over this hump right now...and it is a hump...before it becomes a mountain.

[flacat22]

Even if the enema included names like Meeks and Jasper? Because those are 2 of the names being thrown around out there a lot.

say it aint so Bob....:eek:

[westtncat]

its funny how people talked of jared williams and others possibly tranferring and no one got bent out of shape...walk on benson left and its no big deal...but because WE the fans feel like legion is a great player, some fans are completely freaking out like this one kid is gonna break down the whole program. all will be fine...oh one side note...its a fact drew said some players would transfer...i know him..he told me before the season started at work some would...he picked the wrong one but still :thumbup: im with you drew!

[ukbob]

say it aint so Bob....:eek:

I am not saying it. But every site you go to does. Probably more internet BS, but with the development today, it makes me wonder. Mr Meeks can certainly shoot this down in a hurry.

As for the enema...I don't totally disagree with the poster. I just think the program is 2 years too late getting one.

[Catligula]

I'm surprised about Legion, but I REFUSE to believe that Meeks will follow suit.

[ukgrad]

I am not saying it. But every site you go to does. Probably more internet BS, but with the development today, it makes me wonder. Mr Meeks can certainly shoot this down in a hurry.

As for the enema...I don't totally disagree with the poster. I just think the program is 2 years too late getting one.

Does Mr. Meeks still post on here?

[cateng]

This is nuts people.

Between random callers and Matt Jones posting this stuff in his blog, UK fans are going bonkers. Nobody names anyone, just spit out tiny pieces of "this is what I hear" information to keep you interested.

If anyone here did not think we would or could lose some players this year, then they must have been day-dreaming.

It is BG's job to control this situation, if there is a situation to control. He makes big bucks to run this ship. Let him earn it.

My suggestion....Just wait until it happens...or it doesn't happen...then expound on it.


I expected to have some of the existing players transfer, not his own recruits. Your right, it is his job to control it. I dont think allowing his top recruit to transfer is controlling it. I dont know the entire situation but he should have seen this coming.

[wildcatcrazy]

When a player of Legion's caliber leaves---with no indication he is a bad kid or a bad seed--the coach and the program should take a deep look at themselves to see what, if anything, they contributed to the circumstance so they can avoid it in the future.

I do not believe Billy G will do that and that concerns me terribly.

Also, please try to refrain from saying negative things about Legion. He has made his decision--let him move on without some UK "faithful" challenging his game, his family or his character.

IMO, Billy G has some personal evaulation to do.

[RaleighCat]

Legion is a BCG recruit, but to what extent? I recall that Legion kinda fell into our lap right after Coach Gillispie arrived. Did he really know what he was getting into?

I don't know if BCG recruited Legion from his days at TX A&M.

[matt colvin]

Well Raleigh, that consideration might have merit. But in that case, I would question why Coach took him. He might not have had time to evaluate the whole situation, only the player....I don't know :shrug1:

[wildcat74]

When a player of Legion's caliber leaves---with no indication he is a bad kid or a bad seed--the coach and the program should take a deep look at themselves to see what, if anything, they contributed to the circumstance so they can avoid it in the future.

I do not believe Billy G will do that and that concerns me terribly.

Also, please try to refrain from saying negative things about Legion. He has made his decision--let him move on without some UK "faithful" challenging his game, his family or his character.

IMO, Billy G has some personal evaulation to do.


On what justification do you base this on? This post is almost comical.

[Sir Richard F. Burton]

Also, please try to refrain from saying negative things about Legion. He has made his decision--let him move on without some UK "faithful" challenging his game, his family or his character.

IMO, Billy G has some personal evaulation to do.

I agree some say listening to your mother as an 18 year old is bad I wish I had listened to my mother more:icon_lol:

[CarterHall]

who want to wear the blue. Maybe it was obvious they weren't good enough to play here anyway.

[VirginiaBlue]

When a player of Legion's caliber leaves---with no indication he is a bad kid or a bad seed--the coach and the program should take a deep look at themselves to see what, if anything, they contributed to the circumstance so they can avoid it in the future.

I do not believe Billy G will do that and that concerns me terribly.

Also, please try to refrain from saying negative things about Legion. He has made his decision--let him move on without some UK "faithful" challenging his game, his family or his character.

IMO, Billy G has some personal evaulation to do.

We don't know yet, but I'm pretty sure we're going to find out that the reason Alex wants to leave - or his mother wants him to - is because BG comes down extremely hard on the ones who screw up or screw off. (It may even involve his use of profanity, because we know Alex's mom is very religious and we can assume that Alex is as well.) Some players can handle it, some can't, pure and simple. I would imagine that Ramel Bradley is #1 on BG's s*tlist, but to his credit, he appears to be dealing with it.

However, I don't think that the solution is for BG to change his coaching style to suit individual players. I certainly wouldn't support a coach who would do that.

[yitbos]

I find it funny that some of, as someone put it "faithful" are so quick to say coach needs to change. Bull....we went out and got him because of HOW HE COACHES. Now some want him to change that to suit their needs?

And then we complain when Dookie V says our fans are crazy?

[WildcatMountaineer]

Why should the program stop and take a look at itself because a Freshman decided the program wasn't for him and wanted to go elsewhere?

It's his decision, and no ill will towards Legion, but for BCG and the program to examine their style would be the equivalent of letting the players dictate how the program is run and coached.


This is just a growing pain. If he doesn't want to be here, let him leave and hopefully play elsewhere and end up in the NBA and fufill his dream.


Sometimes UK folks take a transfer a little too personally as a smack to the school/program. Obviously the family wasn't happy, and when it's all over with, it looks like Alex's mom said it was time for him to leave.


And all of you barking about the parents shutting up - remember who Pat Patterson answers to. There's a very healthy mix in a parent/program relationship.


I think that Meeks and his family have a great mix. I think Patterson has a good mix - even though these relationships are much more visual to the fan base than other players, it's obvious they trust the decisions being made.

[ukgrad]

Why should the program stop and take a look at itself because a Freshman decided the program wasn't for him and wanted to go elsewhere?

It's his decision, and no ill will towards Legion, but for BCG and the program to examine their style would be the equivalent of letting the players dictate how the program is run and coached.


This is just a growing pain. If he doesn't want to be here, let him leave and hopefully play elsewhere and end up in the NBA and fufill his dream.


Sometimes UK folks take a transfer a little too personally as a smack to the school/program. Obviously the family wasn't happy, and when it's all over with, it looks like Alex's mom said it was time for him to leave.


And all of you barking about the parents shutting up - remember who Pat Patterson answers to. There's a very healthy mix in a parent/program relationship.


I think that Meeks and his family have a great mix. I think Patterson has a good mix - even though these relationships are much more visual to the fan base than other players, it's obvious they trust the decisions being made.

Well said.. is that Jim James as your avatar?

[CatsSaintsFan]

My question is who is the father that was supposedly vocal throughout the game. On Matt's blog it was stated that Legions mom and another players father was letting Gillispie have it verbally. Anyone know who that father is?

[WildcatMountaineer]

Not to spread rumors, but I'd expect it to be Carter's dad.


And yes, my av is the one and only Jim James

[loomis1228]

I heard from a friend who is located downtown, next to the athletics department, from a friend who uses the same toilet on campus where some of the players go, from a janitor who knows how many strings are in the mop at the wildcat lodge that...............

RUMORS do not get anyone closer to results or answers. If you do not like the way things are going in Big Blue world, I suggest that you find another team. The other true blue fans will ride it out and will hope for the best for not only wins vs/ losses but also for the well being and character of each and every young man that wears the Kentucky jersey.

[ukgrad]

Not to spread rumors, but I'd expect it to be Carter's dad.


And yes, my av is the one and only Jim James

Jared is probably leaving, and it's most likely best for both worlds...

OT- I asked about the avatar, b/c Jim is an old acquaintance from high school.. glad to see them doing so well

[RCS]

I have heard rumors of 'mass transfers' so many times over the years I can't even count them. I don't remember it ever happening mid year, ever. I have never seen more than 1 player transfer after a semester. We might see one or two more, it is to be expected when you change coaches, but I would be shocked if Jasper or Meeks transfered. They are injured, what do they have to be upset about with the coach? Jasper had micro fracture surgery, most people don't make it back right away. He had to get cleared by doctors to practice, so I don't see how it is BCG fault he is having fairly predictable setbacks. I will never believe that Meeks is upset. He comes from a family that believes in discipline and hard work from everything I can tell. I am sure he is frustrated with being injured but I doubt he is looking to transfer. He is the leader on this team from what I have heard and one of the hardest workers there is. I imagine BCG loves the kid since he seems to be everything he would want in a player. I am sure once he is healed he will be right back in the starting lineup. The sky isn't falling. I don't think I have ever seen a guy go from so loved to so hated by December of his first year. Calm down people. It is going to be a bumby ride the next two years, so get used to it, but I believe in the end BCG will prove to be the correct man for the job. Let's not turn into Alabama fans.

[UKS2H]

I think someone needs to clear up whether Larry Vaught posted this crap or not. We have gotten way off topic and just rumormongering now.

[lribookend]

[quote=RCS;359263] I don't think I have ever seen a guy go from so loved to so hated by December of his first year.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Does the name, "Steve Kragthorpe" ring a bell?

[sardiscat]

Vaught did make that post on Scout.com. I saw it yesterday. He didn't say who and he didn't say who told him that, although he started another thread talking about players' family members being vocal at the UNC game. I didn't see the thread about four more leaving today. Looks like it was deleted. He's making quite a few unVaught-like posts, saying certain players aren't any good and we'd be better off if they did leave. I'm wondering if his evil twin is posting under his password.

[m0fats]

thanks, sardiscat for bringing this topic back around, and putting my mind at ease.

[BigblueDrew]

I have heard rumors of 'mass transfers' so many times over the years I can't even count them. I don't remember it ever happening mid year, ever. I have never seen more than 1 player transfer after a semester. We might see one or two more, it is to be expected when you change coaches, but I would be shocked if Jasper or Meeks transfered. They are injured, what do they have to be upset about with the coach? Jasper had micro fracture surgery, most people don't make it back right away. He had to get cleared by doctors to practice, so I don't see how it is BCG fault he is having fairly predictable setbacks. I will never believe that Meeks is upset. He comes from a family that believes in discipline and hard work from everything I can tell. I am sure he is frustrated with being injured but I doubt he is looking to transfer. He is the leader on this team from what I have heard and one of the hardest workers there is. I imagine BCG loves the kid since he seems to be everything he would want in a player. I am sure once he is healed he will be right back in the starting lineup. The sky isn't falling. I don't think I have ever seen a guy go from so loved to so hated by December of his first year. Calm down people. It is going to be a bumby ride the next two years, so get used to it, but I believe in the end BCG will prove to be the correct man for the job. Let's not turn into Alabama fans.

Isn't it interesting that the very things people said they admired about our new coach are now being used to bash him. Folks Billy G is not doing or saying a thing at UK he hasn't said and done everywhere else he has been. He isn't "slick" like Rick or a "nice guy" like Tubby. He is a tough earthy guy from Texas who worked his but off to get every thing he has gotten. Things aren't going well right now but I would remind folks things were going very poorly LONG before Billy G got here. What I see now is a childish portion of our fan base petulantly demanding he fix a problem YEARS in the making, right now. A very American trait given our current society but it isn't going to happen no matter how much some of our fans demand it. Your analogy to Alabama IS VERY TIMELY. I honestly don't know if Billy G will be "the guy" to bring us back to prominence but I at least am willing to give him an honest chance to do so, something some here apparently will not. What pray tell would motivate someone to take such a stance?

[DCWildcat]

I think I agree with that post, BigblueDrew.

[UFWildcat]

My suggestion....Just wait until it happens...or it doesn't happen...then expound on it.

This is the way you've got to do it.

Or you would go insane...

Speculation Nation.

[vaPascal]

I find it funny that some of, as someone put it "faithful" are so quick to say coach needs to change. Bull....we went out and got him because of HOW HE COACHES. Now some want him to change that to suit their needs?

And then we complain when Dookie V says our fans are crazy?

:thumbup:

[BluBlood]

Anyone listening to thezone right now? Matt Jones just had a seemingly credible call regarding a Larry Vaught post that has just hit scout stating four ADDITIONAL players are looking to transfer at the holiday break.



anyone with news on this?



Guys, its to be expected. I was suprised that when TS left, that alot of players didn't bail then. Please don't go jump off the Kennedy...YET! I think you will see a lot of the non-essential players leave. And I wish them the best, let those guys chase their dreams at whatever program they wish.

But if some of our KEY guys leave......JUMP!