Rocket did what?

[jaspcat]

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10526271

Clemens and buddy Andy Pettite among those named as steroid and/or HGH users. Pretty solid evidence on Clemens beginning in Toronto (as a Canseco teammate) and continuing as a Yankee - even convinced the Yanks to hire his former Toronto trainer (and alledged injector / supplier) as their strength and conditioning specialist.

Does this tarnish his legacy as much as Bonds' has been?

Probably not, he's much more likeable, but it sure helps explain how he continued to perform at such a high level into his 40s.

[John Clay Rice Jr.]

I remember he played one game for the Legends that one time

[KY Native in IN]

man oh man, i hate to hear that about Clemens....i really liked him alot.....

but, if he and bonds get in the HOF, then put Pete Rose in there...end of story....i mean, illegal is illegal....if the HOF is a moral institution, probably none of those guys deserve to be in there...

[ShelbyvilleCathead]

This is huge. How bad does this hurt MLB? :icon_cry:

[KY Native in IN]

FWIW i heard on NPR that clemens denies the allegations....all i can say is i hope that he didn't take them and it was all 100 percent "him" that got all those cy youngs and strikeouts....in my mind he's up there with Nolan Ryan as the best ever IMHO....i hope it's all not true....makes me sad to think about it....

[jkeller]

This is getting to be a fricking ridiculous witch hunt. If they suspend all the players they're naming pretty soon teams will have to start signing that guy who sits in the left field bleachers and gets smashed and tries to fight people if they don't throw back the home run ball.

I say they start over with a clean slate. Anyone that fails a drug test today or in the future gets punished. And stop worrying about things that happened 10 years ago.

[Terry L. Wildcat]

Bud Selig couldn't get to the bottom of a dry swimming pool :icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes:

[hoosierhateruklover]

I was in Minute Maid Park today when the report was released. They were talking about Clemens coming back to Houston this year. Then they seemed pretty stunned. I still think a lot of this is a witch craft though.

[TransientAlum]

Well, it isnt a witch hunt. Apparently the goal was to investigate and report on a "now closed" era.

What I took from it is pretty much what Surveyor and I have posted about in the past, people circle the wagons and either you are inside or outside. The Player's Union has become, in this area, an organization to control rats. Rather than police themselves, they operated like the New York Police Department a few decades ago.

Whereas I really look to the Player's Union for the root cause, the owner's didnt care enough to do anything as they were lining their pockets and, "Bud Selig couldn't get to the bottom of a dry swimming pool :icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes:". :icon_mrgreen:. An utter colossal failure of integrity and should say a lot to anyone who looks to any of these people as heroes.

This sounds like a gym but on a multi-million dollar, national stage. You have to know who to talk to and have some credibility to have those people let you in. Once in, you never talk about what you know except to one another. The real funny part is that nothing has changed in 20 years and the stuff used today is the same stuff used back then.

By the way, Winstrol-V is actually obtainable from a Veteranarian (sp). Very popular in central Kentucky.

[surveyor]

Whereas I really look to the Player's Union for the root cause, the owner's didnt care enough to do anything as they were lining their pockets and, "Bud Selig couldn't get to the bottom of a dry swimming pool :icon_rolleyes::icon_rolleyes:". :icon_mrgreen:. An utter colossal failure of integrity and should say a lot to anyone who looks to any of these people as heroes.

I agree with regard that the PU and owners.

There was an article I read a few weeks ago in that a former trainer for the Reds and the Marlins, Larry Starr said he first realized a Reds player was using steroids in the mid-80's.
He, team trainers and team physicians were in winter meetings with the owners in the late 80's and told the owners AND the PU president (guess who) THEN that this was a problem.
NOW the owners and the PU are acting as if the recent congressional hearings have exposed the problem to them so they can now go forward and deal with it.
Arse-wipes. They've known for 20 years.

Hey.

About that Winstrol. You don't have any names of those vets do ya? I got a do....no, HORSE, yeah, horse, that's recuperating from a pectoral stra......er, glutteal tear and could use some help.

Thanks in advance.:thumbup: