It's all coaching baby - Go Tubby

[minngophers1]

All you Wildcat fans need to relax.

If you don't think it is a coaching issue with your squad - take a look at what Tubby has done with the Gophers - they are now 10-2 - a team that went 9-22 last year. Same players last year....no Tubby recruits. I can guarantee you all that there is more talent on the UK team than the Gophers. If you don't think coaching is your issue you are definitely wrong. Let's face it - you all wanted Billy D - NOT Billy G as your coach - I think you are seeing the difference a letter makes.

Trust me - I feel all your pain...we went out and got the "hot" coach at the time (Dan Monson from Gonzaga)...it was the most painful years of watching basketball in the Barn. Unfortunately for UK, I am seeing something very familiar. I couldn't be more excited about having Tubby in MN!

Go Gophers - best of luck to the diehard Blue.

[uk_student06]

All you Wildcat fans need to relax.

If you don't think it is a coaching issue with your squad - take a look at what Tubby has done with the Gophers - they are now 10-2 - a team that went 9-22 last year. Same players last year....no Tubby recruits. I can guarantee you all that there is more talent on the UK team than the Gophers. If you don't think coaching is your issue you are definitely wrong. Let's face it - you all wanted Billy D - NOT Billy G as your coach - I think you are seeing the difference a letter makes.

Trust me - I feel all your pain...we went out and got the "hot" coach at the time (Dan Monson from Gonzaga)...it was the most painful years of watching basketball in the Barn. Unfortunately for UK, I am seeing something very familiar. I couldn't be more excited about having Tubby in MN!

Go Gophers - best of luck to the diehard Blue.


EVERYONE DUCK!!

Here comes another drive by :icon_rolleyes:

Nice first post....now show yourself out. :icon_mad:

[chrimsun]

EVERYONE DUCK!!

Here comes another drive by :icon_rolleyes:

Nice first post....now show yourself out. :icon_mad:

I didn't see anything negative in the post, in fact he wished us luck.

Thanks for stopping by Minn fan and best of luck to you as well.

[KYISSUPREME]

yes! Go Tubby! Wait, he did go.

[tauzreborn]

Yes, you guys in MN have a good coach. It has been said many times that Tubby will make a bad team into a good team as well as making a great team into a good team. Enjoy your 20 win, 10 loss seasons.

[Josh]

Enjoy your 20 win, 10 loss seasons.

You say this like it's a bad thing for Minnesota. On the contrary, every Minnesota Gopher basketball fan will be absolutely thrilled with these kind of results.

[BigBlue75]

For the moment, and I stress FOR THE MOMENT, I will give him some leeway in his post, even though it was borderline sarcastic and some of it was unnecessary. Given the state of Minnesota basketball the last few years I can understand his enthusiasm. He probably thinks the Gophers are world beaters right now.
I strongly disagree that we got the wrong coach but he's entitled to his opinion.

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

you are correct, minnesota person, that Tubby is a fine coach. What apparently you and others who want to gloat about the 10-2 record are forgeting is that your schedule is significantly weaker than ours. should we be 5-6 with our schedule, absolutely not...we should be be 9-2, 7-4 at WORST. The fact is that minn, no matter who was the coach, would not be 10-2 with our schedule.

[wildcat74]

Said it a million times, and I'll say it a million more. Tubby is an excellent coach...for places like tulsa, georgia, and...minnesota where sweet 16 appearances are a measure of an excellent season

[papacita]

You are right Tubby is a good coach and a GREAT man. I will follow Minnesota and wish Tubby all the best.
One thing I haven't seen posted yet, Tubby is a really good coach when he has players with basketball IQ. He won a championship with very smart ballplayers at UK. His teams the first 5 or 6 years had these type of players: Daniels, Fitch, Prince, Azuibuike, Bogan, etc... The past 3 or 4 years, not the case. Look at this team with Crawford, Bradley, Carter, Stevenson, they just don't get the basic fundamentals. This is the team that Bill Gillispie inherited minus a healthy Meeks and Jasper (the two players that have BBall IQ).
Coach G got it done wherever he's been and he will get it done here. Absolutely no doubts.

Go Tubby. AND GO BIG BLUE!!!!!!

[Tom Blevins]

Thanks for your well wishes. I believe you have a good coach in Tubby, and I wish both your team and him personally good luck. However you, like many Kentucky fans, are rushing to judgement about Billy Gillispie. We're going to be just fine with him as the coach. We may continue to struggle some this season, but Gillispie will lead Kentucky ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE TOP!!!!!!!!!

[realky.fan]

you are correct, minnesota person, that Tubby is a fine coach. What apparently you and others who want to gloat about the 10-2 record are forgeting is that your schedule is significantly weaker than ours. should we be 5-6 with our schedule, absolutely not...we should be be 9-2, 7-4 at WORST. The fact is that minn, no matter who was the coach, would not be 10-2 with our schedule.

Look at Ky.'s weak schedule at first. they only won aganist teams like Liberty, Pikeville, Central Arkansas etc.Don't brag on our schedule just yet. If we, (Ky.) had not had played those teams we would have even more loses!!
It is the coaching, no matter what some of you want to think. I have been around basketball all my life. Playing and around coaching . so i do know alittle about what it takes to be a good coach and Tubby Smith is a great one!!! BCG is not!

[RP_McMurphy]

When your on your 3rd straight 10 loss season. Tubby has shown he can win with others players. He also has shown he can't win consistently with his own players. He will get bored soon enough and stop going on the recruiting trail and your program will suffer.

[Josh]

I have been around basketball all my life.

Please don't act like you're the only one here who has been around basketball and that somehow gives you a superior opinion to anyone else here. I too have been around basketball my entire life, and do not agree with your assessment.

You can be the best coach in the world, but when your top players are out and you have to fill in the spots with role players who are forced to play significantly more minutes than they should be getting, you're going to have issues all the way around.

Is Coach Gillispie blameless? No way. But to say he's not a good coach and to throw all of the blame on him is just wrong. I'm all for people having their own opinions, but this is just not correct at all.

[AugustaDan]

You are right Tubby is a good coach and a GREAT man. I will follow Minnesota and wish Tubby all the best.
One thing I haven't seen posted yet, Tubby is a really good coach when he has players with basketball IQ. He won a championship with very smart ballplayers at UK. His teams the first 5 or 6 years had these type of players: Daniels, Fitch, Prince, Azuibuike, Bogan, etc... The past 3 or 4 years, not the case. Look at this team with Crawford, Bradley, Carter, Stevenson, they just don't get the basic fundamentals. This is the team that Bill Gillispie inherited minus a healthy Meeks and Jasper (the two players that have BBall IQ).
Coach G got it done wherever he's been and he will get it done here. Absolutely no doubts.

Go Tubby. AND GO BIG BLUE!!!!!!
I would go even further. Tubby's winning percentage while Chuck Hayes was here was 81.3% and while Chuck wasn't here was 72.6%. And that 72.6% includes the 35-4 his first season. Nothing revelatory here, but I've wondered about that and finally got curious enough to calculate it. Past the first year, Tubby's only real success at UK completely coincides with Chuck Hayes.

[zachkyzach]

I would go even further. Tubby's winning percentage while Chuck Hayes was here was 81.3% and while Chuck wasn't here was 72.6%. And that 72.6% includes the 35-4 his first season. Nothing revelatory here, but I've wondered about that and finally got curious enough to calculate it. Past the first year, Tubby's only real success at UK completely coincides with Chuck Hayes.
Yes he only had one success here. :icon_rolleyes:

[UKcat]

Look at Ky.'s weak schedule at first. they only won aganist teams like Liberty, Pikeville, Central Arkansas etc.Don't brag on our schedule just yet. If we, (Ky.) had not had played those teams we would have even more loses!!
It is the coaching, no matter what some of you want to think. I have been around basketball all my life. Playing and around coaching . so i do know alittle about what it takes to be a good coach and Tubby Smith is a great one!!! BCG is not!
Obviously, you must know more about basketball than everybody else in this state. If Mr. Smith was as great as you say, he would still be here, and our program would not have fallen like it has in the past several years. I just wish we were all as knowledgeable as you.:icon_rolleyes:

[BigblueDrew]

Look at Ky.'s weak schedule at first. they only won aganist teams like Liberty, Pikeville, Central Arkansas etc.Don't brag on our schedule just yet. If we, (Ky.) had not had played those teams we would have even more loses!!
It is the coaching, no matter what some of you want to think. I have been around basketball all my life. Playing and around coaching . so i do know alittle about what it takes to be a good coach and Tubby Smith is a great one!!! BCG is not!

How does one respond appropriately to all these MORONS who are hijacking our great web site.

[UKcat]

How does one respond appropriately to all these MORONS who are hijacking our great web site.
I'd say that you did a pretty good job right there!!!:p

[BigBlue75]

How does one respond appropriately to all these MORONS who are hijacking our great web site.

Two words: ignore list.

[Praray]

you are correct, minnesota person, that Tubby is a fine coach. What apparently you and others who want to gloat about the 10-2 record are forgeting is that your schedule is significantly weaker than ours. should we be 5-6 with our schedule, absolutely not...we should be be 9-2, 7-4 at WORST. The fact is that minn, no matter who was the coach, would not be 10-2 with our schedule.

As of today Minnesota have an RPI rating of 44 with SOS 200. Our Cats have an RPI of 200 and SOS of 185, not a whole lot stronger than that of Minn.

[tauzreborn]

You say this like it's a bad thing for Minnesota. On the contrary, every Minnesota Gopher basketball fan will be absolutely thrilled with these kind of results.

I fully understand that it is a good thing for Minnesota to go 20-10, but of course, it won't cut it at UK.

I agree that Tubby is a good coach and a great man, but not a great fit for our program anymore.

[BigBlue75]

I fully understand that it is a good thing for Minnesota to go 20-10, but of course, it won't cut it at UK.

I agree that Tubby is a good coach and a great man, but not a great fit for our program anymore.

Which is exactly why he isn't in charge of our program anymore. I supported Tubby as strongly as anyone while he was here and never waivered, but in hindsight he did the best thing for all by moving on. We all know the expectations at Minnesota aren't nearly as high as they are at UK. They don't have anything close to the tradition we 'Cats fans have come to expect. Gopher fans will take consistent 20 win seasons and a berth in the NCAA's for as long as Tubby is able to give it to them and they'll be happy as a clam.

[AugustaDan]

Yes he only had one success here.
I am using success here as meaning "state of prosperity or fame." As in, Tubby is enjoying great success. Not as in the achievement of one successful outcome, as in, the 2003-2004 season was a success.

Aside from your apparent misunderstanding, I was sloppy and should have said "past his [second] season, Tubby's only real [period of] success at UK completely coincides with Chuck Hayes." I suppose you can argue that those other 5 years that sandwich Chuck's sophomore through senior years were successful and I won't counter it because it's just my opinion that they weren't. However the initial stat was interesting to me.

[ukwebfan]

Good luck Gopher fan! You certainly have one of the best bench coaches in the nation and in a few more years, you'll have a great opportunity to compete for the Big 10 title.

As for our little old coach, well we won't be throwing him out with the bath water just yet and I've got a funny feeling you won't be worrying about our team by the end of this season and those in the future.

Go Gophers!
GO CATS!!!!

[JWORLD]

So far, BCG has made Tubby look like John Wooden. Let's hope this trend ends soon. Good start with today's win.

[BigblueDrew]

So far, BCG has made Tubby look like John Wooden. Let's hope this trend ends soon. Good start with today's win.

Funny you should use Wooden as an analogy. As you might be aware he was at UCLA for ELEVEN YEARS before he had a winning season. Folks like you would have run him out of town LONG before he got a chance to become a legend.

[catszoom54]

email me when at the end of the year when you get knocked out of the 2nd round of the tourney, if you make it that far

[FallsChurchVA]

"you are correct, minnesota person, that Tubby is a fine coach. What apparently you and others who want to gloat about the 10-2 record are forgeting is that your schedule is significantly weaker than ours. should we be 5-6 with our schedule, absolutely not...we should be be 9-2, 7-4 at WORST. The fact is that minn, no matter who was the coach, would not be 10-2 with our schedule."

Hello All

I just joined the forum and this is my first post. Full disclosure: athough I have lived in Northern Virginia for the past 22 years, I am a native Minnesotan and a Gopher fan. On the other hand, as a Falls Church resident I spend a sizeable portion of my disposable income at Kevin Grevey's very fine establishment. As many of you probably know, Kevin is a really great guy.

I am going to stay away from the "good coach/bad coach" debate, but I will say that I am very happy to have Tubby as coach. And yes, expectations are much lower at the "U." (Except for hockey.....)

About those schedules to date. Minnesota has not played a "signficantly weaker" schedule than Kentucky. In fact, one could possibly make the case that the reverse is true. Here are the wins and losses for each and the current RPI rating for the opponents:

Kentucky Wins: Central Arkansas (301), Liberty (247), Texas So. (231), Stony Brook (328), Tenn Tech (323), FIU (294)

Kentucky Losses: Gardner Webb (216), UNC (4), Indiana (45), UAB (136), Houston (110), San Diego (129)

Minnesota Wins: Army (230), Iowa State (106), Cen. Michigan (122), UC Riverside (268), No. Dak St. (126), Colorado St (192), So. Dak. St. (279) (We rule the "Dak. Sts"!), Santa Clara (99), Nichols St (120), Kennesaw St (338)

Minnesota Losses: Florida St (28), UNLV (32) - both on the road.

Happy New Year to All and best wishes for the 'Cats.

[j_allen]

Funny you should use Wooden as an analogy. As you might be aware he was at UCLA for ELEVEN YEARS before he had a winning season. Folks like you would have run him out of town LONG before he got a chance to become a legend.

so true with your words!!! Folks like him wouldve never gave him a chance! But im willing to bet after the wins starting rolling in, they had the best coach in the country!!

[AugustaDan]

"you are correct, minnesota person, that Tubby is a fine coach. What apparently you and others who want to gloat about the 10-2 record are forgeting is that your schedule is significantly weaker than ours. should we be 5-6 with our schedule, absolutely not...we should be be 9-2, 7-4 at WORST. The fact is that minn, no matter who was the coach, would not be 10-2 with our schedule."

Hello All

I just joined the forum and this is my first post. Full disclosure: athough I have lived in Northern Virginia for the past 22 years, I am a native Minnesotan and a Gopher fan. On the other hand, as a Falls Church resident I spend a sizeable portion of my disposable income at Kevin Grevey's very fine establishment. As many of you probably know, Kevin is a really great guy.

I am going to stay away from the "good coach/bad coach" debate, but I will say that I am very happy to have Tubby as coach. And yes, expectations are much lower at the "U." (Except for hockey.....)

About those schedules to date. Minnesota has not played a "signficantly weaker" schedule than Kentucky. In fact, one could possibly make the case that the reverse is true. Here are the wins and losses for each and the current RPI rating for the opponents:

Kentucky Wins: Central Arkansas (301), Liberty (247), Texas So. (231), Stony Brook (328), Tenn Tech (323), FIU (294)

Kentucky Losses: Gardner Webb (216), UNC (4), Indiana (45), UAB (136), Houston (110), San Diego (129)

Minnesota Wins: Army (230), Iowa State (106), Cen. Michigan (122), UC Riverside (268), No. Dak St. (126), Colorado St (192), So. Dak. St. (279) (We rule the "Dak. Sts"!), Santa Clara (99), Nichols St (120), Kennesaw St (338)

Minnesota Losses: Florida St (28), UNLV (32) - both on the road.

Happy New Year to All and best wishes for the 'Cats.
Two things I think all Minnesota and UK fans can agree on is that Minnesota is happy to have Tubby and UK shouldn't lose to Gardner Webb or San Diego or UAB or Houston.

Hopefully, the former continues and the latter ends. :)

[catszoom54]

tubby will draw players yes, but i guarantee uk will be the primetime team they once were and sure, tubby may get you to a sweet 16 but he's not the greatest thing to happen since sliced bread, you will not see players develope under smith and the offense will get stagnant and trust me, tubby ball is not fun, its boring

[KY Native in IN]

i think all these Minnesota poster rebel, i mean yankee, rousers should be ignored personally and drift off into nothingness....or be immediately moved to the rivalry forum section.....UK fans should leave their comments to themselves on gopher forums too....IMO....oh well, free country i guess...get back to us when ya'll start conference play....

having said that, UK was simply dying on the vine with Tubby....it's as simple as that.....it was purely and simply time for a change.....20 wins and 1 and done's in the tourney are not the UK standard of judgement....if you're a great coach you get BACK to the FF or BACK to the NC game.....Rupp did it, Joe B. did it, Pitino did it....we'll never know about Sutton obviously....but WHY could tubby not GET BACK????......that's what's perplexed me about the man as a coach.....if he was "the real deal" enough to get the 98 NC, why was he never able to get back?.....

oh well, not UK's problem no more!

GO CATS, BEAT LOUISVILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tauzreborn]

Good advice, KY native. I will leave these gophers to themselves because after rereading my post- I am disappointed that all I contributed was the same repetitive garb we have heard since Tubs left. Go cats!

[Tom Blevins]

Funny you should use Wooden as an analogy. As you might be aware he was at UCLA for ELEVEN YEARS before he had a winning season. Folks like you would have run him out of town LONG before he got a chance to become a legend.

Actually, John Wooden had 27 straight winning seasons at UCLA. However, your point is still valid. In his first 15 years, he was a good coach, but not spectacular. (Just to use an example we will all be familar with, Tubby had a MUCH better won loss percentage at Kentucky than JW did in his first 15 years at UCLA.) In his last 12 years, Wooden won 10 NCAA championships, and went to 11 final fours.

[FallsChurchVA]

i think all these Minnesota poster rebel, i mean yankee, rousers should be ignored personally and drift off into nothingness....or be immediately moved to the rivalry forum section.....UK fans should leave their comments to themselves on gopher forums too....IMO....oh well, free country i guess...get back to us when ya'll start conference play....

having said that, UK was simply dying on the vine with Tubby....it's as simple as that.....it was purely and simply time for a change.....20 wins and 1 and done's in the tourney are not the UK standard of judgement....if you're a great coach you get BACK to the FF or BACK to the NC game.....Rupp did it, Joe B. did it, Pitino did it....we'll never know about Sutton obviously....but WHY could tubby not GET BACK????......that's what's perplexed me about the man as a coach.....if he was "the real deal" enough to get the 98 NC, why was he never able to get back?.....

oh well, not UK's problem no more!

GO CATS, BEAT LOUISVILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thats okay, KY Native in IN, I've been married for 25 years - so I am used to being ignored.

Best Regards

[KY Native in IN]

Good advice, KY native. I will leave these gophers to themselves because after rereaing my post- I am disappointed that all I contributed was the same repetitive garb we have heard since Tubs left. Go cats!

oh yeah, the horse has LOOONG since been beaten absolutely to death....it's best for all parties to just let it go....it's over and officially ancient history....

let's all move on!....please!!!!

[KYISSUPREME]

How does one respond appropriately to all these MORONS who are hijacking our great web site.

This is a good start. We all have to keep it up.

[MarkPopeHairCut]

Thanks Minn Fan..

U have a good coach

Good luck on the season

Everone get off his back

[Praray]

Thanks Minn Fan..

U have a good coach

Good luck on the season

Everone get off his back

Amen to your post. These guests to the forum made very good posts in my opinion. I love to have civil basketball discussions with fans from other schools and these two posters were not rubbing any thing in on us as Kentucky basketball fans.

BTW, Falls Church, I was just in your area for four days. Lived in DC area for 34 years before moving south a few years ago. Have been to Grevey's place to watch Cat games many, many times.

[scfcats]

Two things I think all Minnesota and UK fans can agree on is that Minnesota is happy to have Tubby and UK shouldn't lose to Gardner Webb or San Diego or UAB or Houston.

Hopefully, the former continues and the latter ends. :)

Yeah, I agree Dan. And for our Minnesota friends, you've gotta a good one. :thumbup:

[FallsChurchVA]

Amen to your post. These guests to the forum made very good posts in my opinion. I love to have civil basketball discussions with fans from other schools and these two posters were not rubbing any thing in on us as Kentucky basketball fans.

BTW, Falls Church, I was just in your area for four days. Lived in DC area for 34 years before moving south a few years ago. Have been to Grevey's place to watch Cat games many, many times.


Thanks, Praray

I watched the FIU game at Grevey's -- not much of a crowd on a New Year's Eve day, though. That was a totally different team than the one I saw lose to San Diego.

BTW: You all see that San Diego lost at Marshall by 16? Didn't get to the FT line as often and didn't make many when they did get fouled.

Best Regards and Happy New Year everyone

[Sir Richard F. Burton]

yes! Go Tubby! Wait, he did go.LMAO:icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen:

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

As of today Minnesota have an RPI rating of 44 with SOS 200. Our Cats have an RPI of 200 and SOS of 185, not a whole lot stronger than that of Minn.


I am discounting the proximity of our SOS's because of this: the weakest teams on our sched. are bringing down the whole number, balancing it out with the great teams. The fact is that we have played a greater number of "good teams" than minn. has, plain and simple. When a season is this young, rpi is actually a pretty bad way of comparing schedules.

[ukwebfan]

Past the first year, Tubby's only real success at UK completely coincides with Chuck Hayes.Um, well, for all the talk about Tubby's recruiting, didn't he recruit Chuck Hayes after all?

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

regarding the above post, I really haven't seen minn play and I probably am talking out my a$$ when it comes to knowing how good the teams the gophers have played are. so basically, I could be wrong, maybe even very wrong.

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

Um, well, for all the talk about Tubby's recruiting, didn't he recruit Chuck Hayes after all?

yeah...
and Keith Bogans too. Erik Daniels, Tayshaun Prince. Oh yeah and Rondo and Morris. Kaz too of course. those guys weren't so bad. Meeks and Jasper....future pros. got the wheels in motion on Patterson too...best player since Mash right ?

[ukwebfan]

yeah...
and Keith Bogans too. Erik Daniels, Tayshaun Prince. Oh yeah and Rondo and Morris. Kaz too of course. those guys weren't so bad. Meeks and Jasper....future pros. got the wheels in motion on Patterson too...best player since Mash right ?I was thinking the same thing and PP is playing out of position just like Mash his first 2 years.

[TrueblueCATfan]

CONGRATS to TUBBY..glad things are going well..but right now I am still celebrating our MCB victory yesterday in Nashville where we had over 55,000 fans..great day to be a CAT fan

by the way.........is your football team in a bowl

[FallsChurchVA]

CONGRATS to TUBBY..glad things are going well..but right now I am still celebrating our MCB victory yesterday in Nashville wher ewe had over 55,000 fans..greta day to be a CAT fan

by the way.........is your football team in a bowl



LOL! Minnesota (1-10) was the only school in the Big Ten that did not become "bowl eligible." Even lost to North Dakota State! (Half of Fargo drove down to the Metrodome to see that game. Hope they at least spent some money while they were in Minneapolis.)


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[JWORLD]

Funny you should use Wooden as an analogy. As you might be aware he was at UCLA for ELEVEN YEARS before he had a winning season. Folks like you would have run him out of town LONG before he got a chance to become a legend.


As bad as i hate to admit,your right. My apology.......

[JOHN BLUEBLOOD]

Who cares about Tubby Smith? Threads like this are pointless, unless you're a Minnesota fan. Tubby left on his own, he's a big boy who can make his own decisions.

We have a coach who's going to do great things here.

[Tom Blevins]

LOL! Minnesota (1-10) was the only school in the Big Ten that did not become "bowl eligible." Even lost to North Dakota State! (Half of Fargo drove down to the Metrodome to see that game. Hope they at least spent some money while they were in Minneapolis.)


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Actually, it was a little worse than that. Minnesota was 1-11 this year in football. So I want to say one more thing to the Minnesota fans who come to this board. STAY AWAY FROM RICH BROOKS!!!