Is it true that Williams has chosen to transfer out.

[JWORLD]

Listened to Hall and Crum this morning and caught the end of it.

[UKhoov]

Listened to Hall and Crum this morning and caught the end of it.

Hope not. But one thing that I keep seeing is that many people believev someone is going to transfer. No names have been mentioned but it seems to be a consistent thought from alot of people.

Matt Jones brought it up again on his blog while discussing our scholarship alotment for next year. Just dont understand who it would be, but if you heard this today then it might explain alot.

Per Matt Jones:
"At the end of the season, the Cats will lose two of their more polarizing players in recent years, Ramel Bradley and Joe Crawford. With their loss, the Cats will lose the two most potent one-on-one scorers on the team and a great deal of the team’s offense, especially late in the game. However it does open up two scholarships for recruiting purposes to be filled by the 2008 class. In addition, this season Mark Coury (who came to UK as a walk-on) was given a scholarship, and it too can be returned (along with shipping and handling) to UK, giving another spot for the class. At this point I forsee at least one transfer from the class, bringing the likely number of scholarships available up to 4."

http://blog.kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=4690

[Jody Porter]

Not true, according to Jones.

http://blog.kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=4692

[Terry L. Wildcat]

Good...I do not want any of our players to transfer.

[UKBOO]

^^
Me either. I want them to improve in BB and in life. Just as Coach says these are his guys, they are my guys too.

IF Carter and Williams can become servicable, it eases the recruiting need in the middle. Two birds in the hand.....

[UKhoov]

Thanks for clearing it up.

[ImForKy]

Not true, according to Jones.

http://blog.kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=4692

Matt might be right but he also might not be up-to-date. Coach Hall did say this morning that "Williams has transferred". Not "will transfer" but "has transferred". Was he on the bench at the game Saturday? I didn't even look for him while I was watching the game on TV.

[UKhoov]

Matt might be right but he also might not be up-to-date. Coach Hall did say this morning that "Williams has transferred". Not "will transfer" but "has transferred". Was he on the bench at the game Saturday? I didn't even look for him while I was watching the game on TV.

He was on the bench.

[UFGrant]

Williams knows he is never going to get any playing time here.

I say let him go so he can become the best player he can possibly be.

[UKhoov]

Williams knows he is never going to get any playing time here.

I say let him go so he can become the best player he can possibly be.

I dont think anyone "knows" that...only time can tell. It looks as if we actually have a coach that will develop players.....so who "knows";)

[TrueblueCATfan]

I believe with the conditioning that Coach does with these guys could help Williams....he needs to shed a few pounds and just keep working hard in the off season..he could become a good player...........IMO

[kentuckyforthewin]

i hope he leaves

[matt colvin]

I dont think anyone "knows" that...only time can tell. It looks as if we actually have a coach that will develop players.....so who "knows";)

My feelings exactly. I won't form an opinion until I see him play, either. Coach has made it clear that his lack of playing time is not because of lack of effort either. Let him practice against some good players and develop, and he just might surprise you ala Nazr.

[OldCatFan]

My feelings exactly. I won't form an opinion until I see him play, either. Coach has made it clear that his lack of playing time is not because of lack of effort either. Let him practice against some good players and develop, and he just might surprise you ala Nazr.

He is still on the roster at the UK site.

[olblu]

I'm with coach if he has embraced these players as "his guys" when some were inherited.
I want to see our team play with the most effort and courage.The most disappointing thing I've seen this year on my trips to the "Temple" (which started from the other side of the state) has been two 7'ers holding down chairs while Patrick has to do all the rebounding.
Billy has the last word,and if he thinks they are going to be worthy of playing the right way at some point then so be it, if not,let'm go and lets get somebody who will.(preferably some KY boys)

Go Big Blue

Am I crazy,or would we only have maybe two losses if we had a true "CENTER" so that Patrick could really play?

[The Goose Was Loose 78]

Matt Jones is correct and he also mentioned that Joe B had wrong information when he mentioned it this morning. Williams is not going anywhere. Coaches think that he has a ways to go, but is one of the most improved players on the team. His time will come.

[Radiated]

Williams knows he is never going to get any playing time here.

I say let him go so he can become the best player he can possibly be.

Did you think Coury would start this year?

[Jazz]

i hope he leaves:confused::mad: why?sorry I had to ask.

[TrueblueCATfan]

:confused::mad: why?sorry I had to ask.

I would like to know the answer to that too...we have never even seen what this kid can do

[Jazz]

Did you think Coury would start this year?
Coury is better than what you give him credit for.

[lighthouse]

Coury is better than what you give him credit for.

His question wasn't about how good Coury is. He asked, did you think he would start this year?

[Wildcat Larry]

i hope he leaves
This post totally amazes me. :icon_rolleyes:

[wanderingcat]

It is a brilliant and profound post. He is obviously drawing attention to the fact that Carter is as big as a tree and that like a tree, he will leave as in develop leaves. In other words, he will blossom. It was truly an amazing, insightful post.

[colonelcatfan]

It is a brilliant and profound post. He is obviously drawing attention to the fact that Carter is as big as a tree and that like a tree, he will leave as in develop leaves. In other words, he will blossom. It was truly an amazing, insightful post.

LOL, you went a long way for that one, but it worked!! BTW, we started out talking about Williams.

[keycat41]

It is a brilliant and profound post. He is obviously drawing attention to the fact that Carter is as big as a tree and that like a tree, he will leave as in develop leaves. In other words, he will blossom. It was truly an amazing, insightful post.

LOL! Great post, and if that is the case I hope Carter and William leave very very soon. I hope at least one of them leaves right now and the other just before the tournament. LOL!

[Jazz]

His question wasn't about how good Coury is. He asked, did you think he would start this year?
Oh sorry. no i didnt think he would start in that case.

[UFGrant]

Did you think Coury would start this year?

No

[Radiated]

Coury is better than what you give him credit for.

I give him all the credit. That post was made towards the other poster.

[JWORLD]

Is Williams in or out?

[matt colvin]

Is Williams in or out?

In, at least for now.

[Jody Porter]

In.

[TrueblueCATfan]

He is still listed on the roster per CJ as of today

[Jody Porter]

They just talked about this again on the Joe B. show. He (Joe) still thinks he's transferring. :shrug1: He's using his absence from the bench Saturday as his rationale.

I thought Williams was on the bench Saturday? Was I wrong?

[matt colvin]

I thought Williams was on the bench Saturday? Was I wrong?

I had contacts in that day (could account for a mistake), but I'm almost positive he was on the bench and warmed up too.

[WingoCatFan]

I had contacts in that day (could account for a mistake), but I'm almost positive he was on the bench and warmed up too.
He was definately there.
I was at the game and remarked how much bigger he looked in person.

By the way...1st game I have ever been to...and :shock:
The atmosphere can't be explained. I knew it was going to be good, but WOW!!!!!!

[matt colvin]

By the way...1st game I have ever been to...and :shock:
The atmosphere can't be explained. I knew it was going to be good, but WOW!!!!!!

Hey, I know what you mean. The first time going to Rupp is so special, but to have that game as your first time must be great!!!

Also, if you get to go to others, check to see if there will be a WCN pre-game meeting. They're always fun and you you'll meet some great people :thumbup:

[leroybyrd]

I saw him on TV in the huddle, late in the game. He was definitely there.

[UKhoov]

Oh he was there............or was he?:icon_twisted:

[Buck_Naked]

One can only deduce the scarceness of playing time for both Carter and Williams stems either from a plain old lack of ability, or they're both in Gillispie's doghouse. I mean, as thin as our front line is, why else would you keep 14-feet worth of basketball players on the bench, ALL THE TIME?

I would also venture a guess that if the Coach truly believed they could contribute positive minutes that they'd both be playing more regularly than they are now.

What else could it be? I have a hard time accepting the "inexperience" argument, since neither Coury nor Harris had much of it when the season began, and they're both logging respectable amounts of PT.

Seriously though, I'd like to hear some different "theories", because all I can come up with is that they are, frankly, more of a liability than an asset to the team when they're on the court.

I'm not trying to "dog" either of these young men, just trying to figure it out....

[JWORLD]

Williams seemed to hold his own over the summer in some of the Allstar games.If he's not going to play here then i do indeed think he needs to go somewhere where he could get some PT.I just hope he doesn't end up being another Michael Bradley if he does indeed decide to transfer.

[leroybyrd]

One can only deduce the scarceness of playing time for both Carter and Williams stems either from a plain old lack of ability, or they're both in Gillispie's doghouse. I mean, as thin as our front line is, why else would you keep 14-feet worth of basketball players on the bench, ALL THE TIME?

I would also venture a guess that if the Coach truly believed they could contribute positive minutes that they'd both be playing more regularly than they are now.

What else could it be? I have a hard time accepting the "inexperience" argument, since neither Coury nor Harris had much of it when the season began, and they're both logging respectable amounts of PT.

Seriously though, I'd like to hear some different "theories", because all I can come up with is that they are, frankly, more of a liability than an asset to the team when they're on the court.

I'm not trying to "dog" either of these young men, just trying to figure it out....

They are a liability as to the system that Billy is trying to put in place. It is a system based on TOUGHNESS and COMPETING on EVERY possession. You must show Billy this in PRACTICE first before he is confident that you will bring the toughness he wants and compete on EVERY possession in the games.

It really is that simple and all you have to do to figure it out and figure Billy out is LISTEN to ALL of his comments. Unless you show a willingness to do these things, you will not play for Billy and it doesn't matter who you are.

[Bombastic Blue]

They are a liability as to the system that Billy is trying to put in place. It is a system based on TOUGHNESS and COMPETING on EVERY possession. You must show Billy this in PRACTICE first before he is confident that you will bring the toughness he wants and compete on EVERY possession in the games.

It really is that simple and all you have to do to figure it out and figure Billy out is LISTEN to ALL of his comments. Unless you show a willingness to do these things, you will not play for Billy and it doesn't matter who you are.

The smart money says that's why Legion left.

[bleedbluelady]

They are a liability as to the system that Billy is trying to put in place. It is a system based on TOUGHNESS and COMPETING on EVERY possession. You must show Billy this in PRACTICE first before he is confident that you will bring the toughness he wants and compete on EVERY possession in the games.

It really is that simple and all you have to do to figure it out and figure Billy out is LISTEN to ALL of his comments. Unless you show a willingness to do these things, you will not play for Billy and it doesn't matter who you are.

I agree with that. However, I would like to say that just because they don't have it now, doesn't mean they won't get it later.

[justford]

Wildcat fans your mission (if you decide to accept it) is to look for Williams on the Wildcat bench tonight. ;)

[nccoach32]

On the bench or not, won't matter tonight. He's not getting off of it regardless as of now. The young man was listed as a project from the beginning and I'm sure that he is coming along just fine and if he decides to stay, may be a major contributor.

If he decides to leave, I hear that Notre Dame has a spot to fill since they got nixed on another transfer... :)

[cnice11]

I would like to see Williams and Carter to at least get a few meaningful minutes a game. I think it would keep Patterson fresh at the end, plus it would keep some size up front. If Carter's shoulder is OK I think the only way he can get over his unwillingness to play physical with the big boys in the paint is to put him in there.

[UKcat]

"Seriously though, I'd like to hear some different "theories", because all I can come up with is that they are, frankly, more of a liability than an asset to the team when they're on the court."
*** quote by Buck_Naked***


BINGO!!!!!

[teamchemistry09]

I would like to see Williams and Carter to at least get a few meaningful minutes a game. I think it would keep Patterson fresh at the end, plus it would keep some size up front. If Carter's shoulder is OK I think the only way he can get over his unwillingness to play physical with the big boys in the paint is to put him in there.

I would love to see this happen. We all want these players to develop and reach the maximum potential. Well, practicing against eachother isnt going to do that. They need to get 2 and 3 minutes here and there. Id like to see them get in with about 6 minutes left and have Patterson come back in after the under 4 minute TV timeout. It will only help Patterson stay fresh which allows him to work harder and it allows WIlliams and Carter to get a little game experience which could help them more than a weeks worth of practice.

[JOHN BLUEBLOOD]

I dont think anyone "knows" that...only time can tell. It looks as if we actually have a coach that will develop players.....so who "knows";)

You don't want a reputation as a coach and/or school that gives "one year tryouts". I understand Tub brought Williams here but BCG can't get into cutting kids off the bat. I hate having 14 ft. (Carter/Williams) wasting on the bench and Carter still may contribute but Williams hasn't played much.

[teamchemistry09]

You don't want a reputation as a coach and/or school that gives "one year tryouts". I understand Tub brought Williams here but BCG can't get into cutting kids off the bat. I hate having 14 ft. (Carter/Williams) wasting on the bench and Carter still may contribute but Williams hasn't played much.

Could you imagine what we could be next year? If Carter and Williams develop over summer we could play HUGE. Jasper Meeks Liggins/Miller Patterson Williams/Carter. Id love to have Jasper Meeks Patterson Carter Williams. Just a dream and high hopes but I really hope these kids develop and become solid 10-13 minute contributors

[JOHN BLUEBLOOD]

Could you imagine what we could be next year? If Carter and Williams develop over summer we could play HUGE. Jasper Meeks Liggins/Miller Patterson Williams/Carter. Id love to have Jasper Meeks Patterson Carter Williams. Just a dream and high hopes but I really hope these kids develop and become solid 10-13 minute contributors

You're correct, we still have 2 schollies left to get some inside help as well.

[bleedbluelady]

Wildcat fans your mission (if you decide to accept it) is to look for Williams on the Wildcat bench tonight. ;)

Williams WAS on the bench tonight.

[poodoo]

I understand Tub brought Williams here but BCG can't get into cutting kids off the bat.

Tub? Is he a close friend of yours? I just remember how respectful Coach Smith was toward us UK fans when the media had tried to bait him into being otherwise. That's all. GO CATS! GO COACH G!

[UKManCalipariFan71]

I would love to see this happen. We all want these players to develop and reach the maximum potential. Well, practicing against eachother isnt going to do that. They need to get 2 and 3 minutes here and there. Id like to see them get in with about 6 minutes left and have Patterson come back in after the under 4 minute TV timeout. It will only help Patterson stay fresh which allows him to work harder and it allows WIlliams and Carter to get a little game experience which could help them more than a weeks worth of practice.

I agree they both need some minutes, but why not allow them to get them WITH Patterson in lieu of replacing him? It will alleviate pressure on everyone involved. How many teams have a legitimate answer for Patterson at the four? Carter does not have to be spectacular with Patterson on the floor, he merely has to be 7'2", and he is that every single night. Jared is basically a Freshman in terms of game experience, but would start for the vast majority of DIV I teams due to his height. Folks, the kid does have ability for a 7+ footer, and is a matchup nightmare for most teams IF Patterson is there with him to draw attention. It kills me that BCG will not even try to take a look at that possibility with PP getting smothered in the paint. Hell, it may not work at all, but at least TRY to free up the most talented player on the roster (PP) and force the other team to shut you down. This is especially true when you are playing on the road in the SEC without two starters (Jasper&Meeks) and are being dominated inside. A TRIPLE DOUBLE from a 6'9" player with no offensive skills? That was the difference in the game, and Mark Courry and Perry Stevenson were not going to change that. Carter is a presence if you play him with Patterson, but no one will know how much until it is tried.

[UKManCalipariFan71]

By the way, Williams has not played a lot this season due to the fact that he is not available to practice a lot either. The sad fact with this kid is that he has horrible problems with his knees. (Too many years of carrying 300 pounds as he was growing.) The reduced weight may eventually alleviate the problem, but bad knees as an 18 year old is never a good omen.

[UKBOO]

^^
Bad knees? I have not heard that before..