The wheels came off the bus when . . .

[Caveman Catfan]

The turning point in the game was after Moss hit a three and Kentucky was up by five with momentum.

UK the had the ball after stopping USC. Moss spins off his man with the ball on the dribble and takes a selfish 14 foot shot from the right of the freethrow line. When he shot, Stockton was wide open on the perimeter in the corner. Moss should have easily dished to his teammate for the open three, but sadly did not.

USC then went on an 11-0 run and UK never recovered.

[cbc317]

MOSS was WIDE-OPEN? I really find it hard to believe he was selfishly taking a WIDE OPEN SHOT? Give me a break. If he makes that shot, you are praising him for taking a leadership role and scoring 5 straight points.....

[wyldkatzky]

I thought this thread was about Thomas when I opened it up, Moss didn't hurt us today.

[Caveman Catfan]

cbc317 wrote: MOSS was WIDE-OPEN? I really find it hard to believe he was selfishly taking a WIDE OPEN SHOT? Give me a break. If he makes that shot, you are praising him for taking a leadership role and scoring 5 straight points.....





Moss was not wide-open. He spun on his man and took a difficult shot.

STOCKTON WAS WIDE OPEN.

[Stretch]

What game were you watching??? Ravi's man fell down and he had a WIDE OPEN 14-footer!!! It's too bad that he missed it but it was absolutely the shot to take.

[Caveman Catfan]

Call it a coincidence, but Moss did not hit the open man who had a clearly better shot, but instead chose to feel it. USC outplayed UK from that point forward.

The game was not lost because of this move. I never stated that. It was however the final turning point that UK never recovered from. USC grabbed momentum at that point and never looked back.

The right thing for Moss to do in that instance was dish to the better shot, his wide-open teammate.

[scars.of.grace]

Watch the replay again. Moss was completely unguarded. No one was near him and he should have took the shot. If he makes it, it's a great shot. Obviously, since he missed, it's easy to blame him. Stockton was open, but so was Ravi. Really no reason for him not to take a wide open shot.

Caveman Catfan wrote: cbc317 wrote: MOSS was WIDE-OPEN? I really find it hard to believe he was selfishly taking a WIDE OPEN SHOT? Give me a break. If he makes that shot, you are praising him for taking a leadership role and scoring 5 straight points.....





Moss was not wide-open. He spun on his man and took a difficult shot.

STOCKTON WAS WIDE OPEN.

[phoenix]

Moss WAS wide open. This wasnot the key but it was in the minutes which were key. Nothing to do with Moss though.

Caveman Catfan wrote:
cbc317 wrote: MOSS was WIDE-OPEN? I really find it hard to believe he was selfishly taking a WIDE OPEN SHOT? Give me a break. If he makes that shot, you are praising him for taking a leadership role and scoring 5 straight points.....





Moss was not wide-open. He spun on his man and took a difficult shot.

STOCKTON WAS WIDE OPEN.

[BamaCat86]

I agree, thought that Moss should have passed to Stockton. This has been one of the biggest downfalls of this year's team....selfish play. However I do not see Moss as one of the guys who has been guilty of selfish play throughout the season.

[Caveman Catfan]

Stretch wrote: What game were you watching??? Ravi's man fell down and he had a WIDE OPEN 14-footer!!! It's too bad that he missed it but it was absolutely the shot to take.

No. It was not. He was spinning and it was a difficult shot. Stockton was wide open on the three point line, with his feet set, waiting for the pass. The absolutely right thing to do there would have been to pass it.

[cbc317]

Stretch wrote: What game were you watching??? Ravi's man fell down and he had a WIDE OPEN 14-footer!!! It's too bad that he missed it but it was absolutely the shot to take.


Thank You. Since when is taking an open shot from the foul line extended a terrible, selfish shot?

Plus, one shot doesn't make a game. Come on, just because Ravi missed a shot, it is his fault that we couldn't defend, rebound make shots for the rest of the game? Did his defensive assignment go on a 11-0 run?

The real problem on this team is that we are expecting a WALK-ON to make game changing plays. We don't have impact players that can, so Ravi, who is a WALK-ON, is expected to make big plays. Today he didn't.

[Moon Pie]

I agree....he could not have been more wide open on the play you are describing. I would point at a lot of other plays before I look at that one.

[Caveman Catfan]

BamaCat86 wrote: However I do not see Moss as one of the guys who has been guilty of selfish play throughout the season.


I agree. His game is usually built on being a team player.

[Caveman Catfan]

Moon Pie wrote: I agree....he could not have been more wide open on the play you are describing. I would point at a lot of other plays before I look at that one.


Look at it again. It was the turning point of the game. No one can doubt or argue with that.

[Caveman Catfan]

cbc317 wrote: Stretch wrote: What game were you watching??? Ravi's man fell down and he had a WIDE OPEN 14-footer!!! It's too bad that he missed it but it was absolutely the shot to take.


Thank You. Since when is taking an open shot from the foul line extended a terrible, selfish shot?




If you have played ball, you know that when you spin to create a shot and your teammate is wide open with a BETTER shot, you should pass it, unless the shot clock is about to expire. Every coach from Pitino to Tubby talks about finding the open man for the best shot. Passing on a good shot for a great shot is just good fundamental basketball.

[scars.of.grace]

So Ravi took a wide open shot, a closer shot than Brandon would have had, and he's being blamed as the reason for the turning point in the game? I mean, what if Brandon had missed the shot? It doesn't make sense from a true basketball standpoint to pass up a wide open shot that is closer to the basket than a wide open shot from a further distance, unless there is a real reason to do so.

I think this is a silly argument.

[Caveman Catfan]

cbc317 wrote:
Plus, one shot doesn't make a game. Come on, just because Ravi missed a shot, it is his fault that we couldn't defend, rebound make shots for the rest of the game? Did his defensive assignment go on a 11-0 run?




I never said that one shot made this game. I said it was the turning point of the game where USC took back the momentum and never looked back. That is what I said.

[Caveman Catfan]

scars.of.grace wrote: So Ravi took a wide open shot, a closer shot than Brandon would have had, and he's being blamed as the reason for the turning point in the game? I mean, what if Brandon had missed the shot? It doesn't make sense from a true basketball standpoint to pass up a wide open shot that is closer to the basket than a wide open shot from a further distance, unless there is a real reason to do so.

I think this is a silly argument.



Yes, it does make sense. Think about what you are writing. It actually does make sense to hit the player on the perimeter who is set for a wide open shot rather than take a spinning shorter shot.

It happens all the time. As it should.

Again, I did never said that Moss was "being blamed" for the turning point of the game. I SAID that was the turning point of the game.

There can be no argument about that from anyone who was paying attention.

[Swimmer4uk]

I think the turning point was more of our missed defensive assignment with :30 left, that led to a dunk.

we fought hard up until the end

[kipper265]

I would agree that Moss was open on this shot...but it was certainly not a high percentage shot. As he was regaining his balance after spinning. The higher percentage shot would have been Stockton in the corner who was spotting up for eternity all alone. Moss should have passed.

This wasn't the end of the world....however, UK defenders being soft with getting up in the faces of SC's 3 point shooters shortly thereafter was a big part of the the undoing.

[scars.of.grace]

It's funny how you are so bent on telling others that you're right and they are wrong, as you just did by saying I wasn't paying attention. Anyone that thinks that passing up a close, wide-open shot for a deeper, wide-open shot is just mad or just doesn't understand the game of basketball. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. It's such a ridiculous argument that it's borderline funny.

Would it have been okay if Ravi passed to Brandon? Sure. But was it a bad shot for Ravi to take? No. If he had a man in his face, it's probably not the best shot to take. The only problem with that is, he was wide open.

Caveman Catfan wrote: scars.of.grace wrote: So Ravi took a wide open shot, a closer shot than Brandon would have had, and he's being blamed as the reason for the turning point in the game? I mean, what if Brandon had missed the shot? It doesn't make sense from a true basketball standpoint to pass up a wide open shot that is closer to the basket than a wide open shot from a further distance, unless there is a real reason to do so.

I think this is a silly argument.



Yes, it does make sense. Think about what you are writing. It actually does make sense to hit the player on the perimeter who is set for a wide open shot rather than take a spinning shorter shot.

It happens all the time. As it should.

Again, I did never said that Moss was "being blamed" for the turning point of the game. I SAID that was the turning point of the game.

There can be no argument about that from anyone who was paying attention.

[Caveman Catfan]

scars.of.grace wrote: Watch the replay again. Moss was completely unguarded. No one was near him and he should have took the shot. If he makes it, it's a great shot. Obviously, since he missed, it's easy to blame him. Stockton was open, but so was Ravi. Really no reason for him not to take a wide open shot.

Caveman Catfan wrote: cbc317 wrote: MOSS was WIDE-OPEN? I really find it hard to believe he was selfishly taking a WIDE OPEN SHOT? Give me a break. If he makes that shot, you are praising him for taking a leadership role and scoring 5 straight points.....





Moss was not wide-open. He spun on his man and took a difficult shot.

STOCKTON WAS WIDE OPEN.



I just watched it again. Moss spins, his man falls to the ground, another man is trying to recover flying at Moss, and Moss shoots and misses from just inside the three point line. One more pass would have hit Stockton with his feet set on the three point line for a wide open shot.

It was the turning point of the game.

Again, if anyone here thinks I am blaming Moss for this game, as scars states above, they have serious comprehension problems.

[Rockober]

Not the turning point of the game. Hell we could argue every miss. Thomas's time on the court was the biggest factor. It was a team loss but Thomas laid more than one bad egg today.

[Caveman Catfan]

scars.of.grace wrote: It's funny how you are so bent on telling others that you're right and they are wrong, as you just did by saying I wasn't paying attention. Anyone that thinks that passing up a close, wide-open shot for a deeper, wide-open shot is just mad or just doesn't understand the game of basketball. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. It's such a ridiculous argument that it's borderline funny.

Would it have been okay if Ravi passed to Brandon? Sure. But was it a bad shot for Ravi to take? No. If he had a man in his face, it's probably not the best shot to take. The only problem with that is, he was wide open.




It might have been a good shot for someone who normally creates for themselves (not many of them on this UK team) such as Crawford, but Moss is at his best on the perimeter when he has his feet planted. It was not a "close shot." It was about 1-2 feet inside that three point line.

[Stretch]

I have not watched a replay but I know what I said at the time: "Dang, Ravi, you won't ever get a better shot than that. Make something!!!"

[scars.of.grace]

:D You crack me up, Caveman. Not only is your argument flawed, but then you resort to putting down other people when someone disagrees with you. I won't stoop to that level, but I will just say that this entire time you've been targeting Ravi for his shot selection, then saying that it was the turning point point of the game. But, you're not blaming Ravi for the turning point? Well, that makes a lot of sense. :D

[Caveman Catfan]

Rockober wrote: Not the turning point of the game. Hell we could argue every miss. Thomas's time on the court was the biggest factor. It was a team loss but Thomas laid more than one bad egg today.


UK up by five. USC then went on an 11-0 run. UK never again took the lead or tied.

I think that was the turning point of the game.

[phoenix]

OK, I'll be the one to say it, this is a ridiculous post, and that was not the turning point of the game, and even to suggest it was a bad shot is at best a stretch. Shooters shoot, and when shooters are hitting they should shoot some more. Thomas made 3 key plays in this stretch, 2 on defense and 1 on offense which had much more to do with the game. Ravis missed shot was simply a short jumper that did not go in. Had several of those during the game. If every one had shot jumpers that wide open we would have won the game. Thanks for taking that shot Ravi, instead of dinking around and passing up a wide open shot.

Caveman Catfan wrote:
Moon Pie wrote: I agree....he could not have been more wide open on the play you are describing. I would point at a lot of other plays before I look at that one.


Look at it again. It was the turning point of the game. No one can doubt or argue with that.

[swimuk]

I have to say the turning point in this game started two to three years ago with recruiting. Then there is the TS factor. Bringing all bench players except RM. Boy there are some players to put aroung the only guy that is playing to the point we need to play in order to win. I am sorry but when you put 4 subs with less than 5 left do you really want the game.

Hats off to UCS staff bringing in Palcious(SP?) to help double team Morris. This left Balkman to roam and be even more disrubtive.

Chalk this one up to another first. First loss in the semifinals of the SEC ever!

Oh did I metion the whole fouling ordeal. Boy that got us somewhere.

I must say with the deepest regret that a first round exit in coming our way!

Hit the road TS pleasssseeeeeee!!

[Caveman Catfan]

scars.of.grace wrote: Anyone that thinks that passing up a close, wide-open shot for a deeper, wide-open shot is just mad or just doesn't understand the game of basketball. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. It's such a ridiculous argument that it's borderline funny.



ROFL!!!!!

Of course, you won't stoop to that level.

:ggrin:

[Caveman Catfan]

phoenix wrote: OK, I'll be the one to say it, this is a ridiculous post, and that was not the turning point of the game, and even to suggest it was a bad shot is at best a stretch.


Then there was no turning point in the game. UK won by five!!!

Go Cats!!! :dude:

[kubl]

We were still winning 50-45 when Moss missed the shot. The turning point was when USC had the ball, there was a bvreak in the action, and Tubby put the starters back in and left Thomas in. Balkman then spun around a dazed Thomas and slammed it home. Our starters then gave up 2 3 pointers before Crawford tied it at 53 and the USC put in 2 more 3 pointers.

In the first half Stockton and the subs left at 14-10 UK and Crawford hit a 3 to make it 17-10 and then USC ran off a 15-5 spurt on our starters. USC naver made a run on our subs but made two huge runs on our starters.

Somehow i don't see the rationale in calling one missed shot by Moss as the turning point. How do you know that if he passed to Stockton that Stockton would have shot it anyway? And then you must be assuming that he would have made his only shot attempt of the game.

[Caveman Catfan]

phoenix wrote: OK, I'll be the one to say it, this is a ridiculous post, and that was not the turning point of the game, and even to suggest it was a bad shot is at best a stretch. Shooters shoot, and when shooters are hitting they should shoot some more. Thomas made 3 key plays in this stretch, 2 on defense and 1 on offense which had much more to do with the game. Ravis missed shot was simply a short jumper that did not go in. Had several of those during the game. If every one had shot jumpers that wide open we would have won the game. Thanks for taking that shot Ravi, instead of dinking around and passing up a wide open shot.




You write about who can be blamed for the loss. I write about the turning point of the game.

[phoenix]

This is another ridiculous post. Go check the tape and see exactly the plays that let South Carolina catch up at this time. None of them had anything to do with Ravi's decision to take an open shot.

Caveman Catfan wrote:
Rockober wrote: Not the turning point of the game. Hell we could argue every miss. Thomas's time on the court was the biggest factor. It was a team loss but Thomas laid more than one bad egg today.


UK up by five. USC then went on an 11-0 run. UK never again took the lead or tied.

I think that was the turning point of the game.

[scars.of.grace]

True, but I never questioned your comprehensiveness. I'd say that's a bit more personal than saying someone doesn't understand basketball. But that's just me.

Caveman Catfan wrote: scars.of.grace wrote: Anyone that thinks that passing up a close, wide-open shot for a deeper, wide-open shot is just mad or just doesn't understand the game of basketball. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. It's such a ridiculous argument that it's borderline funny.



ROFL!!!!!

Of course, you won't stoop to that level.

:ggrin:

[scars.of.grace]

For what it's worth, I think it was the simple inability to guard the three point shot. How many did USC hit in the second half? Seven? I don't really think it was anything that Kentucky did on offense as much as I think it was what they didn't do on defense. Not to mention a breakdown in the last minute to give USC a five point lead.

[Cincy110]

One missed shot didn't have nearly the impact of them hitting 4 straight 3's in the last 3 minutes. I think that was the turning point.

[Caveman Catfan]

kubl wrote: Somehow i don't see the rationale in calling one missed shot by Moss as the turning point. How do you know that if he passed to Stockton that Stockton would have shot it anyway?


I don't. I have no idea. All I know is that USC took control of the game after that point.

But, you speak of the turning point as the next USC possession. There is less than 25 seconds between what I have identified as the turning point and what you have identified.

[Caveman Catfan]

phoenix wrote: This is another ridiculous post. Go check the tape and see exactly the plays that let South Carolina catch up at this time. None of them had anything to do with Ravi's decision to take an open shot.




Yet again, you talk of who to blame and I talk of the turning point in the game.

[phoenix]

I think it was a key stretch in the game. I think giving up the 5 point lead was key. Doesn't matterhow it happened particularly,but that lead lost started us on the road. There are 25 plays that could have turned out better, but this is one stretch of time that did turn things around.

You got thetime right on when we hit the skids, but Ravi missing a shot was not the key play, nor was there a"key play" that I could identify, just a stretch of time where we put errors together.

Caveman Catfan wrote:
phoenix wrote: OK, I'll be the one to say it, this is a ridiculous post, and that was not the turning point of the game, and even to suggest it was a bad shot is at best a stretch. Shooters shoot, and when shooters are hitting they should shoot some more. Thomas made 3 key plays in this stretch, 2 on defense and 1 on offense which had much more to do with the game. Ravis missed shot was simply a short jumper that did not go in. Had several of those during the game. If every one had shot jumpers that wide open we would have won the game. Thanks for taking that shot Ravi, instead of dinking around and passing up a wide open shot.




You write about who can be blamed for the loss. I write about the turning point of the game.

[Caveman Catfan]

Stretch wrote: I have not watched a replay but I know what I said at the time: "Dang, Ravi, you won't ever get a better shot than that. Make something!!!"



Okay, he should have hit the shot.

It was the turning point in the game, either way.

[Rockober]

Caveman Catfan wrote: Rockober wrote: Not the turning point of the game. Hell we could argue every miss. Thomas's time on the court was the biggest factor. It was a team loss but Thomas laid more than one bad egg today.


UK up by five. USC then went on an 11-0 run. UK never again took the lead or tied.

I think that was the turning point of the game.

Moss just hit a three and I have seen him hit the shot. Was it the best shot-NO! But it wasn't horrible. It was not the turning point of the game. Caveman your feet are planted in the sand. Plenty of people have disagreed. Every miss is critical. I believe Thomas was the key to gaining momentum for USC and giving them a second wind. If Crawford hits the open three we do not have this conversation. It was a good shot.

Turnovers,defense and rebounding were truely the keys of the game. I would point at those before I would Ravi's miss.

[phoenix]

Some posts are more accurate than others, what else is there to say? The post claiming that Ravi made a selfish shot and it was the turning point. Simply incorrect.

Caveman Catfan wrote:
phoenix wrote: This is another ridiculous post. Go check the tape and see exactly the plays that let South Carolina catch up at this time. None of them had anything to do with Ravi's decision to take an open shot.




Yet again, you talk of who to blame and I talk of the turning point in the game.

[Caveman Catfan]

scars.of.grace wrote: For what it's worth, I think it was the simple inability to guard the three point shot. How many did USC hit in the second half? Seven? I don't really think it was anything that Kentucky did on offense as much as I think it was what they didn't do on defense. Not to mention a breakdown in the last minute to give USC a five point lead.



I agree that we lost because we did not guard the three when it counted.

In fact, there was one occassion when Ravi was guarding their hot three point shooter. He was sticking to him like glue, but Rondo took the man and directed Ravi to switch.

Rather than guard the man like Ravi, like he should, Rondo laid off in the lane and let the guy swing out onto the perimeter. Rondo could not recover and the kid hit the three.

Had Rondo played the kid like Ravi had, or simply let Ravi stay with the hottest shooter on USC's team, I don't think that kid gets that shot.

[Caveman Catfan]

phoenix wrote: Some posts are more accurate than others, what else is there to say? The post claiming that Ravi made a selfish shot and it was the turning point. Simply incorrect.




I believe it was the more selfish shot. And I believe it was the turning point of the game. The relation to the two is where you are getting stuck.

[Caveman Catfan]

Rockober wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote: Rockober wrote: Not the turning point of the game. Hell we could argue every miss. Thomas's time on the court was the biggest factor. It was a team loss but Thomas laid more than one bad egg today.


UK up by five. USC then went on an 11-0 run. UK never again took the lead or tied.

I think that was the turning point of the game.

Moss just hit a three and I have seen him hit the shot. Was it the best shot-NO! But it wasn't horrible. It was not the turning point of the game. Caveman your feet are planted in the sand. Plenty of people have disagreed. Every miss is critical. I believe Thomas was the key to gaining momentum for USC and giving them a second wind. If Crawford hits the open three we do not have this conversation. It was a good shot.

Turnovers,defense and rebounding were truely the keys of the game. I would point at those before I would Ravi's miss.



Moss just hit an open three from the corner, just feet from where Stockton would later be, after setting up and taking a pass. It was a big shot. No complaint here. I thought Moss played an overall solid game.

We can point to a million mistakes by many on the team, but the tide turned in those two possessions. It just did. I am not sure why there are so many people who want to deny it.

[phoenix]

I am starting to laugh myself, it is like a guy knows he is wrong but starts blustering and carrying on even more in the face of the facts. LOL.

No single play effected this game much. We absorbed many poorplays by every member of the team. I am not sure exactly why he wants to try and single out this play. Ravi took what?, maybe 4 shots the whole game?The thing I was upset about during that stretch was that they should have given the ball to Bradley each time and said shoot. Nobody in there was going to do much offense, and I was darn glad Ravihit the 3 shortly before that. I thought we were going to go blank.

scars.of.grace wrote:
:D You crack me up, Caveman. Not only is your argument flawed, but then you resort to putting down other people when someone disagrees with you. I won't stoop to that level, but I will just say that this entire time you've been targeting Ravi for his shot selection, then saying that it was the turning point point of the game. But, you're not blaming Ravi for the turning point? Well, that makes a lot of sense. :D

[bwright]

It was closer to a 17 foot jumper and yes he should have passed it to Stockton. I said the same thing when it happeneded. Both guys were open, that I will agree with. However, I would say that they had about an equal chance of hitting either one of those shots and Stockton's would have been worth one more point. In no way did this cost us the game but I agree that he should have kicked it to Stockton.

[Caveman Catfan]

bwright wrote: In no way did this cost us the game but I agree that he should have kicked it to Stockton.


I whole-heartedly agree with the quote above.

[Caveman Catfan]

phoenix wrote: No single play effected this game much.


Is it sad for you that you cannot get off that point?

ONLY you have said that one play was a difference in this game. Are you debating yourself????:lol:

[phoenix]

How can so many of us be so wrong and Caveman be so right? ROFLMAO!!!!

We are sorry for disagreeing with you CC, clearly the fact that no one even remotely agrees with you is a sure sign that you are the correct one.

Caveman for analyst of the year!!!!!!!!:lol:

Caveman Catfan wrote:
Rockober wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote: Rockober wrote: Not the turning point of the game. Hell we could argue every miss. Thomas's time on the court was the biggest factor. It was a team loss but Thomas laid more than one bad egg today.


UK up by five. USC then went on an 11-0 run. UK never again took the lead or tied.

I think that was the turning point of the game.

Moss just hit a three and I have seen him hit the shot. Was it the best shot-NO! But it wasn't horrible. It was not the turning point of the game. Caveman your feet are planted in the sand. Plenty of people have disagreed. Every miss is critical. I believe Thomas was the key to gaining momentum for USC and giving them a second wind. If Crawford hits the open three we do not have this conversation. It was a good shot.

Turnovers,defense and rebounding were truely the keys of the game. I would point at those before I would Ravi's miss.



Moss just hit an open three from the corner, just feet from where Stockton would later be, after setting up and taking a pass. It was a big shot. No complaint here. I thought Moss played an overall solid game.

We can point to a million mistakes by many on the team, but the tide turned in those two possessions. It just did. I am not sure why there are so many people who want to deny it.

[HOMEYCAT]

I think that the reason it WAS the turning point is that my feeling at the time was that Stockton would have buried that shot for 3. Can't prove anything, but that was my feeling. Moss saw him and didn't throw it . Had Stockton made a 3 pointer there, the rest of the game would have been very different. It would've rallied KY plenty. Instead Moss took a legitimate shot, open, higher percentage. BUT.

[Caveman Catfan]

phoenix wrote: How can so many of us be so wrong and Caveman be so right? ROFLMAO!!!!

We are sorry for disagreeing with you CC, clearly the fact that no one even remotely agrees with you is a sure sign that you are the correct one.

Caveman for analyst of the year!!!!!!!!:lol:




Thanks, I'll take the award. I would like to thank my coach, my wife, my dog, and Phoenix for not repeating his comment that one play did not cause UK the loss.

The first three contributed to me winning this award and the last was just nice not to hear again!

THANK YOU!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! :D

[DamonEsquire]

I think. It was around8/5 minute mark with 4 three balls. I just don't understand mentality. That 11 field goal attempts is a jinx. I see. 3/4 for 11 alot more than 9-11. I think that eleven is a jinx. Anyhow. I am going to double check stats but it sure seem liike.Kentucky created five fouls and about 8 field goals (Only One made) in the last minute. That squashed momentum like a cheeseburger in paridise. If you look at the last two minutes. That has got to improve on the Basketball IQ.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=260700096&period=0

CBS did say the Big Ten only had two victories against Top 25 non-conference. I checked this and Iowa beatN.C. Stateand Michigan State won over Boston College. Some teams were ranked but not currently (Michigan Stateversus Arizona e.g.). Some games where not ranked but are currently (Gerogetown/ UNC versus Illinoise and Ohio State at LSU).

[phoenix]

In your stretch of imagination you claim that Ravis decision to take an open shot was the TURNING POINT. I repeatedly said that no single play affected this game. I NEVER SAID that one play was the difference in this game.

Caveman Catfan wrote:
phoenix wrote: No single play effected this game much.


Is it sad for you that you cannot get off that point?

ONLY you have said that one play was a difference in this game. Are you debating yourself????:lol:

[phoenix]

I think you say it best Damon, and I think YOU COMMUNICATE ON CC'S LEVEL MUCH BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THE FORUM. YOU DA MAN!!!!:lol:

DamonEsquire wrote:
I think. It was around8/5 minute mark with 4 three balls. I just don't understand mentality. That 11 field goal attempts is a jinx. I see. 3/4 for 11 alot more than 9-11. I think that eleven is a jinx. Anyhow. I am going to double check stats but it sure seem liike.Kentucky created five fouls and about 8 field goals (Only One made) in the last minute. That squashed momentum like a cheeseburger in paridise. If you look at the last two minutes. That has got to improve on the Basketball IQ.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=260700096&period=0

CBS did say the Big Ten only had two victories against Top 25 non-conference. I checked this and Iowa beatN.C. Stateand Michigan State won over Boston College. Some teams were ranked but not currently (Michigan Stateversus Arizona e.g.). Some games where not ranked but are currently (Gerogetown/ UNC versus Illinoise and Ohio State at LSU).

[Caveman Catfan]

phoenix wrote: In your stretch of imagination you claim that Ravis decision to take an open shot was the TURNING POINT. I repeatedly said that no single play affected this game. I NEVER SAID that one play was the difference in this game.




EDIT:

I would like to thank my coach, my wife, and my dog for this award.

[BrassowFan]

phoenix wrote: I think you say it best Damon, and I think YOU COMMUNICATE ON CC'S LEVEL MUCH BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THE FORUM. YOU DA MAN!!!!:lol:

ROF.L:lol:

[kyrgaines]

I don't know about the turning point of the game but I'll tell everybody that our clock management under the last minute was piss-poor. We were down 3 with enough time to get the ball back before fouling so soon. Had South Carolina missed and we had the ball, we would have had a chance to tie with a last shot. Instead, they let 10 to 15 seconds expire before fouling, then another, then freethrows and we need mutiple scores to tie with practically no time left. Real genious.

[UKDieHard]

As early as it was on the shot clock I think they could have and should havegotten a better shot than a Moss spinning around jumper. that being said I think it was a bad shot also.