Hate to Admit This ...

[I. Melvin]

... but I'm jealous of UT Basketball.

Watching them play reminds me so much of my favorite era (I go back to the Runts) - namely, the '91 - '97 teams that simply overwhelmed their opponents with tireless effort and more than a little skill and unselfishness.

And if there's one team (other than UofL) that I want to despise, it's them Cheatin' Vols.

[UKfaninCO]

... but I'm jealous of UT Basketball.

Watching them play reminds me so much of my favorite era (I go back to the Runts) - namely, the '91 - '97 teams that simply overwhelmed their opponents with tireless effort and more than a little skill and unselfishness.

And if there's one team (other than UofL) that I want to despise, it's them Cheatin' Vols.

Yeah, but for all that they got beat at Rupp, I'd rather win, but that's just me. And the group of Cats that beat them, did it with a lot of unselfishness and a lot of tireless effort. We're not going to put up 100 point games with the current team. But it appears, at least in the last few games, that no team will out work us.

[DCWildcat]

Remember this post when they lose in the Sweet 16. A well-coached, intelligent team can take them down with surprisingly less talent.

[DonnieKat]

I was watching the game last night against UF and thinking the same thing.

Then I snapped back to reality and realized Kentucky is building some special right now as well and our version is 'Built to Last' (to steal a book title). Pearl will come and go quicker than you can say Ray Mears and UK will have it's dynasty back in tact.

FWIW, Florida played right into their hands like night. Jai Lucas, Julius Hodge and Calathes tried wayyyy too much 1-on-1 last night. It's a team game.

[blewis18]

^^^^
Totally agree DC... Anyone with a dominant big man and knows how to slow it down will manhandle UT. A team who can handle the ball helps too. They would have to have a very generous bracket even to make it to the sweet sixteen in my opinion.

Teams that could and would beat UT (using Lunardi's Bracketology):
Texas (already done it and would do it again)
Texas A&M
UNC
UT barely beat em' but i think Miss. St. would beat them with another chance
Indiana
Pitt
UCLA
Kansas
Notre Dame
GEORGETOWN
and more...

[cumberlandredskin]

Pitino's best teams here played great defense. UT hardly plays any at all. I could be wrong but they probably won't make it past the sweet 16 and if they get the wrong matchup they won't last that long.

[Rockober]

[QUOTE=I. Melvin;393946]... but I'm jealous of UT Basketball.

I am too but its Tennessee's womens basketball team. Talk about a perenial powerhouse.

[Russ24ky]

... but I'm jealous of UT Basketball.

Watching them play reminds me so much of my favorite era (I go back to the Runts) - namely, the '91 - '97 teams that simply overwhelmed their opponents with tireless effort and more than a little skill and unselfishness.

And if there's one team (other than UofL) that I want to despise, it's them Cheatin' Vols.

The only thing IM jealous about UT is.. Hmmm

[Russ24ky]

The only thing IM jealous about UT is.. Hmmm

Still thinking

[Russ24ky]

Still thinking

Got it..

NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!

[Will Lavender]

It's definitely fun to watch. And when they have as much talent as they do this year, they can beat anyone.

Problem is, it's a risky way to play. Ken Pomeroy argues every year that UT will never get to a Final Four under Pearl. I don't know if I agree with that, but I do think it's an unusual and rarely-employed style for a reason.

[TrueblueCATfan]

I am jealous of Bruce Pearl and Tenn.....I want that orange jacket for myself

LOL.....I hate Tenn...Duke and Loserville..I always hope they all lose

[westtncat]

Man I hate to admit this but im not jealous of UT at all. Didnt we beat them once this year already?

[UFWildcat]

... but I'm jealous of UT Basketball.

Watching them play reminds me so much of my favorite era (I go back to the Runts) - namely, the '91 - '97 teams that simply overwhelmed their opponents with tireless effort and more than a little skill and unselfishness.

And if there's one team (other than UofL) that I want to despise, it's them Cheatin' Vols.

Screw that.

Yeah, it's fun to watch and they get after it, but that's not going to produce National Championships.

Give me a team that's balanced and full of studs. BCG will do just that.

[macdon]

... but I'm jealous of UT Basketball.

Watching them play reminds me so much of my favorite era (I go back to the Runts) - namely, the '91 - '97 teams that simply overwhelmed their opponents with tireless effort and more than a little skill and unselfishness.

And if there's one team (other than UofL) that I want to despise, it's them Cheatin' Vols.

So how did you like the way they played when they faced up with a mentally physically tough bunch of Wildcats in Rupp Arena?

They looked a bit lost.

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

^^^^
Totally agree DC... Anyone with a dominant big man and knows how to slow it down will manhandle UT. A team who can handle the ball helps too. They would have to have a very generous bracket even to make it to the sweet sixteen in my opinion.

Teams that could and would beat UT (using Lunardi's Bracketology):
Texas (already done it and would do it again)
Texas A&M
UNC
UT barely beat em' but i think Miss. St. would beat them with another chance
Indiana
Pitt
UCLA
Kansas
Notre Dame
GEORGETOWN
and more...

uh...I hope the "more" includes UK, considering that like Texas, we also already done it, and would do it again. maybe not in Knox, but I would seriously like our chances in a rubber game in Atlanta.

[Wildcat Larry]

Instead of Cirque du Soleil, it Cirque du Orange'

[Tom Blevins]

I'm jealous of that great UT fight song, "Rocky Top." NOT!

[Blue4ever]

... but I'm jealous of UT Basketball.

Watching them play reminds me so much of my favorite era (I go back to the Runts) - namely, the '91 - '97 teams that simply overwhelmed their opponents with tireless effort and more than a little skill and unselfishness.

And if there's one team (other than UofL) that I want to despise, it's them Cheatin' Vols.

As a long time self respecting UK fan I would NEVER! EVER! admit this publically. To be jealous of UT over what? 7 NCAA's, 2 NIT's, countless SEC titles, winningest program in college basketball, most NCAA tourney appearances and wins.... AND YOU'RE JEALOUS OF UT? :shock: :eek:

[blewis18]

uh...I hope the "more" includes UK, considering that like Texas, we also already done it, and would do it again. maybe not in Knox, but I would seriously like our chances in a rubber game in Atlanta.

Of course.... I just thought that one went without saying. Sorry...

[UKSam]

Instead of Cirque du Soleil, it Cirque du Orange'


Knob Cirque is the only one I am familar with.

[bigpapavol]

Remember this post when they lose in the Sweet 16. A well-coached, intelligent team can take them down with surprisingly less talent.
kinda strange. Only two have done it thus far and in one of those, our best basketball player was a no show. UT goes as Tyler Smith goes and you were fortunate enough to catch his absence. Any night he's assertive, we are a tough handle, regardless of opponent. I suspect he no-show's a lot less often going forward.

I see the talk of UK building something great and believe in BCG, but it doesn't remotely change the fact that several less talented basketball teams beat you this year. It happened to us in Lexington and happens across the basketball landscape quite a bit. I don't think I'd take it validation of some of the things I've read in this thread.

I can appreciate that you guys are really proud of your basketball heritage and really itch to look down your collective nose at everyone else, but your history and $4 will get you a Venti, skinny, decaf mocha latte at your nearest Starbucks.

[Lexvol]

I will go on the record that UT will go further in the tourney than the round of 16. Bruce Pearl is a definitely a wildcard, but long as he is in Knoxville the basketball team will be competitive and....fun. It is OK to covet our run and gun style until you get your groove back. Celebrate the Orange Blazer Baby!

[Will Lavender]

Did somebody just say something?

[cumberlandredskin]

Did somebody just say something?



:shrug1:

[JZTN]

Lex, what's up man? It's JZ!

It will be very disappointing if UT can't finally get past the sweet 16.

I am a Vol, but you guys should never be jealous of our BB program.

[RP_McMurphy]

Next year Kentucky with better athletes and more depth will open the offense up more. At Texas A&M Billy G. liked to up pace the game when he had the athletes to do it.

[bigpapavol]

Did somebody just say something?
I did. Even as intimidating as your proud history is, I mustered up the courage to say something. It took months of counseling and pep talks, but I actually did it. You just don't understand how daunting Adolph Rupp, Joe B. Hall and Rick Pitino can be. I mean the last of them only left about 10 frickin' years ago.

Heck, I guess Fulmer still strikes fear in everyone using the logic I've seen on display here.

[bigpapavol]

Lex, what's up man? It's JZ!

It will be very disappointing if UT can't finally get past the sweet 16.

I am a Vol, but you guys should never be jealous of our BB program.
JZ, I just rolled up in here today as well. Looks like Lex might have been here a while.

[Will Lavender]

Heck, I guess Fulmer still strikes fear in everyone using the logic I've seen on display here.

The difference between Fulmer and Pearl is that Fulmer has a winning record against Kentucky.

[Lexvol]

Lex, what's up man? It's JZ!

It will be very disappointing if UT can't finally get past the sweet 16.

I am a Vol, but you guys should never be jealous of our BB program.

Now I am confused JZ....

[Lexvol]

The difference between Fulmer and Pearl is that Fulmer has a winning record against Kentucky.

So you did hear us?:icon_lol:

[bigpapavol]

The difference between Fulmer and Pearl is that Fulmer has a winning record against Kentucky.
No, the difference is that Fulmer has NEVER lost against KY. He's the sorriest coach I can imagine and you guys still can't beat him. As for Pearl, it is what it is. I'll take his 3 seasons in UT over your last 3. I'll take his first over BCG's first, no question about it. You lament the talent BCG has, but look at what Pearl started with at UT. BCG won't be matching that this season.

[Will Lavender]

BCG won't be matching that this season.

Scoreboard.

[JZTN]

Yet I bet Pearl is more hated. I wonder how Gardner-Webb is finishing the year up?



The difference between Fulmer and Pearl is that Fulmer has a winning record against Kentucky.

[bigpapavol]

So you did hear us?:icon_lol:
Hi Lex,

looks like someone can hear. feels a lot like a Sunday sermon on sin, lots of lookin' at shoetops.

[bigpapavol]

Scoreboard.
standings!!!! You have a couple more weeks to spout with scoreboard stuff and it likely dies in Knoxville. I don't see a reversal of the standings for quite some time, regardless of what UK might do. Guess atrocious beginnings will do that to you.

Guess JZ beat me to the punch on GW, but forgot San Diego. Do you tell them about your fancy scoreboard?

[JZTN]

Now I am confused JZ....

Just trying to show KYBB some respect so I don't have a short stay... even though losses to San Diego excuse me and Gardener-Webb at TBA are not acceptable at a place like Tennessee.

[Will Lavender]

Fellas. This has been fun, but this isn't the smack board. Let's stop this nonsense as this isn't the place for it.

[bigpapavol]

Fellas. This has been fun, but this isn't the smack board. Let's stop this nonsense as this isn't the place for it.
I thought I was responding to some of the stuff I read in this thread. Looked a lot like people wanted to feel good about UK's predicament by saying UT can't get anywhere in the NCAA tournament. I think many UT fans, me included, see our team as fun, explosive and flawed. We can beat anybody on a given night, but, as the disaster in Lex showed, if we allow the game to slow, we can be beaten by just about anyone. IMO, Tyler Smith negates that to some degree, but he no-showed against UK and it doomed us.

[tennfanatic]

Next year Kentucky with better athletes and more depth will open the offense up more. At Texas A&M Billy G. liked to up pace the game when he had the athletes to do it.

Gillespie really has turned around this program quick. I thought this year would be a disaster after some shocking losses but it looks like you guys are getting into the NCAA tournament.

[JZTN]

Fellas. This has been fun, but this isn't the smack board. Let's stop this nonsense as this isn't the place for it.


Isn't it more fun when a rival can challenge you? I'm excited about battles Billy G and Pearl will have on and off the court. [edited]

[tennfanatic]

Isn't it more fun when a rival can challenge you? I'm excited about battles Billy G and Pearl will have on and off the court. [quote edited]

[edited]

[JZTN]

[quote edited].

Really? have you met her or something?

[tennfanatic]

Really? have you met her or something?

[edited]

[Will Lavender]

[quote edited]

And coach him under it too, apparently.

[Will Lavender]

I had to.

[RCS]

Where the hell did all of these UT fans come from? Anyway, does anyone realize our record against UT over the last 3 years? Pearl has gone 2-3 against the worst UK teams in the last 15+ years. Not really anything to get too excited about. Good for UT that they are better than they historically are, but until they actually win something I won't get too excited about them. As to the talent factor, he lucked into the best shooter in the college basketball that fit his style perfectly. Take away Lofton from those teams and they suck.
I think Pearl is a great coach for UT and you should enjoy him. I think he will give you an exciting team that is far better than past UT teams. I just don't think it is a championship style of basketball. You have to play good D to win in the tourney because it is single elimination and it is 6 games long. Few teams will stay hot for 6 straight games so at some point you have to be able to stop people. Nothing I have seen from UT shows me that they can.

BTW, I am happy that UT is better. I hate UT but the SEC needs good teams to improve our reputation nationally. If UT, UF, UK and possibly Arkansas can all put strong programs it only helps UK in the long run IMO. This isn't like football where you are better off in a lousy conference since every loss is a killer. A strong conference prepares you for the tourney and an extra loss or two a year won't kill a program like UK most year(though it might this year).

[JZTN]

I had to.

I enjoy it. I just hope for you guys no GW or San Diego fans find this board. [edited]

[JZTN]

Where the hell did all of these UT fans come from? Anyway, does anyone realize our record against UT over the last 3 years? Pearl has gone 2-3 against the worst UK teams in the last 15+ years. Not really anything to get too excited about. Good for UT that they are better than they historically are, but until they actually win something I won't get too excited about them. As to the talent factor, he lucked into the best shooter in the college basketball that fit his style perfectly. Take away Lofton from those teams and they suck.
I think Pearl is a great coach for UT and you should enjoy him. I think he will give you an exciting team that is far better than past UT teams. I just don't think it is a championship style of basketball. You have to play good D to win in the tourney because it is single elimination and it is 6 games long. Few teams will stay hot for 6 straight games so at some point you have to be able to stop people. Nothing I have seen from UT shows me that they can.

BTW, I am happy that UT is better. I hate UT but the SEC needs good teams to improve our reputation nationally. If UT, UF, UK and possibly Arkansas can all put strong programs it only helps UK in the long run IMO. This isn't like football where you are better off in a lousy conference since every loss is a killer. A strong conference prepares you for the tourney and an extra loss or two a year won't kill a program like UK most year(though it might this year).

I don't really see anything wrong with what you said. I'll be more than happy if we can win 20 most years and get a few SEC titles along the way. National title would be great but the chances of that happening are slim, ask Roy Williams.

As I said get a few SEC titles and make some runs in the NCAA tournament and I'll be happy!

[bigpapavol]

Where the hell did all of these UT fans come from? Anyway, does anyone realize our record against UT over the last 3 years? Pearl has gone 2-3 against the worst UK teams in the last 15+ years. Not really anything to get too excited about. Good for UT that they are better than they historically are, but until they actually win something I won't get too excited about them. As to the talent factor, he lucked into the best shooter in the college basketball that fit his style perfectly. Take away Lofton from those teams and they suck.
I think Pearl is a great coach for UT and you should enjoy him. I think he will give you an exciting team that is far better than past UT teams. I just don't think it is a championship style of basketball. You have to play good D to win in the tourney because it is single elimination and it is 6 games long. Few teams will stay hot for 6 straight games so at some point you have to be able to stop people. Nothing I have seen from UT shows me that they can.

BTW, I am happy that UT is better. I hate UT but the SEC needs good teams to improve our reputation nationally. If UT, UF, UK and possibly Arkansas can all put strong programs it only helps UK in the long run IMO. This isn't like football where you are better off in a lousy conference since every loss is a killer. A strong conference prepares you for the tourney and an extra loss or two a year won't kill a program like UK most year(though it might this year).While you clearly know more basketball than I, being a UK fan and all, I'd like to address some of your points here.

We didn't luck into the best shooter in the country, you guys tossed him away like table scraps (for the likes of Crawford and Bradley, congrats on those landings) and we took him.

Next, you're arguing defense and just fired one of the top defensive coaches in the nation for the drunkest coach in the nation. That said, I think BCG will get good things done at UK, but if you're expecting domination like UK enjoyed historically, you have some Bama football fans awaiting you in delusionville.

As to the championship style of basketball, Arky won with it, Pitino rebuilt UK from its cheating days with a very, very similar brand of ball. He changed slightly as the talent changed, but never quit living by the three. And speaking of the 3, I didn't hear you mention how 'lucking into' Delk put KY over the top under Pitino.

Finally, of the 4 teams you mentioned being strong from the SEC, UK is easily the weakest today. When Patterson leaves early, that's likely to get worse. You guys like to chat about Pearl leaving, but I suspect Patterson is a bigger risk of leaving than Pearl might be.

[TrueblueCATfan]

While you clearly know more basketball than I, being a UK fan and all, I'd like to address some of your points here.

We didn't luck into the best shooter in the country, you guys tossed him away like table scraps (for the likes of Crawford and Bradley, congrats on those landings) and we took him.

Next, you're arguing defense and just fired one of the top defensive coaches in the nation for the drunkest coach in the nation. That said, I think BCG will get good things done at UK, but if you're expecting domination like UK enjoyed historically, you have some Bama football fans awaiting you in delusionville.

As to the championship style of basketball, Arky won with it, Pitino rebuilt UK from its cheating days with a very, very similar brand of ball. He changed slightly as the talent changed, but never quit living by the three. And speaking of the 3, I didn't hear you mention how 'lucking into' Delk put KY over the top under Pitino.

Finally, of the 4 teams you mentioned being strong from the SEC, UK is easily the weakest today. When Patterson leaves early, that's likely to get worse. You guys like to chat about Pearl leaving, but I suspect Patterson is a bigger risk of leaving than Pearl might be.

WRONG..Tubby passed on Lofton becasue we had Rondo..have no clue why the Spin doctor over at Loserville passed on him..don't really care....and Bradley took you boy Lofton to the woodshed just a couple of weeks ago