What will happen to IU?

[DenCat]

I wanted to give this it's own thread. Now that IU has gotten rid of Kelvin, what will happen to IU? Even though they showed swift action, won't the NCAA come down on them as well? Usually in situations like this the person actually doing the cheating/wrongdoing gets off pretty easy, but the school and the players left behind are the one's who suffer. IMO the school deserves some of what it gets because they knew he had a history when they hired him. If a coach gets fired for violating NCAA rules, I think players ought to be able to transfer without having to sit a year, unless they benefited or were some way involved in the problem.

[Got_Billie_G?]

I think they'll get something, but since they were extremely pro-active and let Kelvin go before the NCAA made a ruling on it that will definately lessen the punishment.

[poodoo]

IMO the school deserves some of what it gets because they knew he had a history when they hired him. QUOTE by DenCat
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I feel the same, Dencat. Too, as Jay Bilas said, IU knew about what Sampson had done back in October, but had not taken any strong actions UNTIL the NCAA made the charges and said that Sampson had lied to them. Hmmm. I, too, am anxious to see how much easier the NCAA is on Indiana.

[Wildcat Larry]

Sounds like lack of institutional control, followed by severe back-pedaling and then too little, too late with the termination. If the termination is only because of what the NCAA finally figured out, then it's not from IU doing any self-disciplining, it was IU trying for self-preservation. I don't think it should help IU at all to have terminated Sampson. It probably will, but I don't think it should.

[RaleighCat]

I think IU will get mid-level sanctions, if that makes sense.
And I think they'll be looking for a new AD soon as well.

Vitale actually brought up a great name for their next coach in Mike Montgomery, formerly of Stanford. He's been out of coaching since the Warriors canned him half way through his first NBA season. That's probably a very good fit for IU.

[UKBOO]

First, I think "just cause" will be applied to Sampson. That means another team will have to petition to the NCAA if they wish to hire him. My guess is, it will be for seven years.
He will get the worst end of this...

IU will adjust their penalty. I think they may apply even more restriction on recruit contact, may reduce one more scholarship. I think they will stop short of a post season ban. Since there are no concerns with eligibility with current players, they will go to the Dance.

I think they may end up hiring the interim. He was supposed to be Knights replacement anyway. If he can get the players to warm to him, they have a shot at holding the team together.

[KY Native in IN]

i posted this on another thread, but it's kinda related....

every player that protested that practice should've not even been dressed out to play in the game....bench EVERY ONE of those that didn't show up....i don't care how good they are.....they wanna get all philosophical about it, let em have a good think on the bench in their church clothes.....heck, leave 'em in bloomington....

Coach G. woulda kicked their hind quarters off the team (see dusty mills if you don't believe me)....and that's just as it should be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

spineless on dakich's part if you ask me....he just wanted to win his first game i'm sure and NOt get beaten by northwestern, at that point 0-13 in the big ten....SPINELESS!

i thought the "K.S." on their shoes was absolutely ridiculous....not like he has cancer or died or anything, he cheated and got busted....he's not a deceased teammate or loved one.....give me a break.....

all this has made a mockery of the IU program and i for one could not be happier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO CATS!!!!

[UKBOO]

i posted this on another thread, but it's kinda related....

every player that protested that practice should've not even been dressed out to play in the game....bench EVERY ONE of those that didn't show up....i don't care how good they are.....they wanna get all philosophical about it, let em have a good think on the bench in their church clothes.....heck, leave 'em in bloomington....

GO CATS!!!!

I disagree. The kids were hurt very badly and lashed out. They calmed down and re-focused. I give them a ton of props.

Don't hurt these kids any more than what has already been done.

I've been through two coaching changes. The second was like having a death in the family.

[TrueblueCATfan]

Don't know what will happen.....But it will be so much fun to sit back and watch someone else on NCAA probation.....:eek::icon_mrgreen:

[I. Melvin]

Don't know what will happen.....But it will be so much fun to sit back and watch someone else on NCAA probation.....:eek::icon_mrgreen:

But the hangman isn't hanging, so they'll put IU back on the street.

[swimuk1]

allowing them to put KS on their shoes knowing full well that the media would be all over it...is a little over board. I would have benched everyone that did it..or say choose...playing or sitting....you did not see guys with RMK on their shoes when that all went down and lets face it a RMK does not a KS make!

I would also agree AD better be talking with a real estate agent very soon...to allow him to keep his job when he knew very well what KS brought to the table would be a joke.

I also did not like the way KS starting really playing the Im so close to my players card on TV when all of this starting going down. I have watched IU play many times this year and the KS that coached earlier was not the same song and dance KS that we saw when this all came out.

Finally being from IN and growing up not more than 30 miles from Bloomington, I can not tell you how happy this makes me. How many years did I hear about UK pays for this, and UK breaks rules to win and UK blah blah blah...you never know!

[KY Native in IN]

allowing them to put KS on their shoes knowing full well that the media would be all over it...is a little over board. I would have benched everyone that did it..or say choose...playing or sitting....you did not see guys with RMK on their shoes when that all went down and lets face it a RMK does not a KS make!

I would also agree AD better be talking with a real estate agent very soon...to allow him to keep his job when he knew very well what KS brought to the table would be a joke.

I also did not like the way KS starting really playing the Im so close to my players card on TV when all of this starting going down. I have watched IU play many times this year and the KS that coached earlier was not the same song and dance KS that we saw when this all came out.

Finally being from IN and growing up not more than 30 miles from Bloomington, I can not tell you how happy this makes me. How many years did I hear about UK pays for this, and UK breaks rules to win and UK blah blah blah...you never know!


i agree with your post swimuk1....he started getting all this "tug the heart strings" stuff when the heat started getting hot and the victim mentality started creeping in....

anybody is obviously free to disagree with me, but there's a principle here....these guys are given (or pretty much given) a free college ride for playing b-ball....if they protest and not practice they are not holding up their end of the bargain to side with a rule breaker....it may have "all worked out" in the end, but they decided to stand up and essentially boycott a practice for whatever reason and still were able to start....D.J. White amongst them....he's a senior and should've known better and stood up and took the leadership reins and led the team to carry on....they may have "kissed and made up" in the end, but again, there's a principle....the coach is in charge, interim or not....like it or not....the players don't wear the pants in the family and the coach sent the wrong message by letting them start....


and in reality, sampson got off REALLY good on this (so far) he broke his contract and probation and got $750,000 from it....if any of us broke a contract or probation we'd pretty much get bupkus over it....granted this sampson thing is far from over, he may never coach again and the NCAA may still take action against him and/or IU who knows?.....but if we broke our apartment lease, etc. etc. for whatever reason, would we get our deposit back? would they find us another place to live? no, that's not the way the real world works....

but my point is, if KS died (God forbid), or was really bad sick (God forbid) and had to leave the coaching business due to it, sure, it would be an emotional thing and ok, put KS on your shoes in memorium or in honor of a great coach etc etc....but NO he violated NCAA rules AGAIN....the same thing he did to have to leave the "powerhouse" he was re-building at Oklahoma....but in his wrongdoing he was seemingly defended....it's just the twisted way people seeem to look at things these days....wrong isn't really that wrong anymore.....

all just my humble opinion....and really deep down i don't give a @#$% it's IU....i hope they shut the school down....i still say Coach G would've blasted these guys if they were on his team....and rightly so

[UKBOO]

The kids are the victims here. The coach could have very easily banned the KS on the shoes. He allowed it.

[RaleighCat]

and in reality, sampson got off REALLY good on this (so far) he broke his contract and probation and got $750,000 from it....if any of us broke a contract or probation we'd pretty much get bupkus over it....granted this sampson thing is far from over, he may never coach again and the NCAA may still take action against him and/or IU who knows?.....but if we broke our apartment lease, etc. etc. for whatever reason, would we get our deposit back? would they find us another place to live? no, that's not the way the real world works....


But that's how it works in the Real Coaches' World, most of the time. I don't know what KS's contract said, but I bet the $750,000 buyout was driven by the AD who's trying to save his job. KS has continued to deny (lie) his involvement, so you know he was going to sue IU if they had fired him. I'm willing to bet IU's President agreed to the $750,000 to help this issue disappear quickly, but he'll come hunting for the AD's head shortly.

I'd like to see the NCAA fine Sampson to the tune of $750,001. Just to rub his nose in it a little. Don't know if the NCAA has that authority, but it'd be nice to see covered in all the national media.

[RP_McMurphy]

To hire Bobby Knight back.

[spfury]

I think they should be hit pretty hard. They knew of the problems when they hired him plus he did the same thing at IU and they knew it as early as last October (probably earlier). If IU was serious about keeping it clean and staying on the good side of the NCAA they should have released him in October, but since they were on the way to their first great season in many years they didn't want to do the right thing. If KS wasn't winning and didn't have a promising season lined up he would not have coached the first game this season. I think IU's lack of control and allowing the coach and possibly AD lie to the NCAA on several levels should get a pretty harsh punishment. I don't expect anything near as severe as UK received, but it should be used to set an example.

[Rosie]

They were somehat proactive and that my lessen the heat.
I think that Dakitch did the right thing by giving the team some room to let things settle out. They were all shocked and I would think a little scared and uncertain. He was their coach after all. I don't think a walkout actually occurred, from what's been printed. Dakitch would make a damn good coach.

[leroybyrd]

They were somehat proactive and that my lessen the heat.
I think that Dakitch did the right thing by giving the team some room to let things settle out. They were all shocked and I would think a little scared and uncertain. He was their coach after all. I don't think a walkout actually occurred, from what's been printed. Dakitch would make a damn good coach.

No doubt Dakich handled the whole thing VERY well. All of a sudden a lot of people HATE Kelvin Sampson, a man they do not even know at all, but who clearly made some mistakes. It is so easy to pile on now.

Eric Gordon said it himself, "Sampson was like a father to us all." Dakich said this, "these are his kids, it's his team." So it is understandable the kids would react strongly in support of their guy. They should not have been punished over this VERY emotional situation, look, some people on this board are getting irrationally and extremely emotional over the whole thing, how do you think the IU players felt?

IMO, Dakich and the players both handled themselves very well in this situation and no doubt grew a lot closer through this. They will be a tough out from here on.

[Gunsmoke]

Isn't their ex-president who fired Knight still the head of the NCAA? If so, it would not surprise me if IU gets slapped on the wrist and Sampson gets middle of the road sanctions. Sampson could add to IU's pain if he ever wanted to but then he would incriminate himself, which the liar will likely never do. We shall see if the NCAA has the nads to stick it to IU like they have earned. IU fans/boosters have acted like they are somehow better than everyone else over the years as they snubbed their collective noses at most other programs, with UK being their primary target. They should get what they deserve. They sacrificed their so-called above-the-fray integrity when they hired a coach already on NCAA probation to try to become a major player again like they used to be when the General was in his prime.

[AugustaDan]

I would be extremely surprised if IU's sanctions do not include the dreaded "lack of institutional control." How much worse could it be than hiring a coach who is under sanctions and then allowing him to repeat his transgressions while still under sanctions? Wow. Now, that is a lack of institutional control regardless of whether he lied.

[catdmd]

I've never believed that anyone is as "squeaky clean" as IU has been portrayed to be. I believe they should be treated fairly but equitably.