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lighthouse
03-09-2008, 01:41 PM
1. Mike Stuart 2. Joe Lindsay 3. Tom Eades

Missed Walks 7 Palms 3

With a few exceptions by Mr Stuart, hustle and floor coverage was above average. On one occasion Mr Stuart stood absolutly still for 21 seconds, and when there are 10 very talented athlete's in a confined area, there's no time for that. Otherwise, a well officiated game. Off ball coverage was really good, and preventitive officiating clearly evident. Some walks were called with less foot movement, that those missed. Calls were consistant on both ends, with these exceptions.

Push from behind by #42 white on 34 black's shot, no call.
Stuart-Good foul call on # 5 white, late whistle made you look bad.
Very obvious walk on # 21 black.
Over reaction on offensive foul call on # 34 black. Good call, no need for theatrics.
Moving pick on # 23 black, no call.
On the back # 21 black, no call.
Double dribble on # 3 white fast break, not called.
Body contact by # 21 black on # 34 white, called.

You should feel good about this game. Missed walks still a problem, but overall a good fair game.

Sam K.
03-09-2008, 01:45 PM
Frustrating to me when Fl is driving for a layup and the Fl guy jumps into the Ky player. Whistle is blown and the call is on the D when the guy shooting layup clearly initiated the contact.

UKBOO
03-09-2008, 01:52 PM
1. Mike Stuart 2. Joe Lindsay 3. Tom Eades

Missed Walks 7 Palms 3

With a few exceptions by Mr Stuart, hustle and floor coverage was above average. On one occasion Mr Stuart stood absolutly still for 21 seconds, and when there are 10 very talented athlete's in a confined area, there's no time for that. Otherwise, a well officiated game. Off ball coverage was really good, and preventitive officiating clearly evident. Some walks were called with less foot movement, that those missed. Calls were consistant on both ends, with these exceptions.

Push from behind by #42 white on 34 black's shot, no call.
Stuart-Good foul call on # 5 white, late whistle made you look bad.
Very obvious walk on # 21 black.
Over reaction on offensive foul call on # 34 black. Good call, no need for theatrics.
Moving pick on # 23 black, no call.
On the back # 21 black, no call.
Double dribble on # 3 white fast break, not called.
Body contact by # 21 black on # 34 white, called.

You should feel good about this game. Missed walks still a problem, but overall a good fair game.

I thought it was a very well called game. There are always missed calls. But it was as fair as you could as for.

BamaCat86
03-09-2008, 02:02 PM
It was definitely better than most we have seen this season.

Praray
03-09-2008, 06:04 PM
The officials made no calls that affected the outcome of the game and that is what counts. They let the players on the floor determine who won today's game.

pattyflattie
03-09-2008, 06:18 PM
I get frustrated at the end of games when the refs swallow the whistles. Seems we have been getting hacked quite a bit lately in this situation with no calls and it allows teams to make it a game.

BamaCat86
03-09-2008, 07:22 PM
Nothing like the UCLA game last night. How would you feel this morning if you were a Cal fan?

Lighthouse, what is the rule on a ball traveling over the back board on it's path to the basket as was the case in last night's game.

lighthouse
03-09-2008, 09:18 PM
Nothing like the UCLA game last night. How would you feel this morning if you were a Cal fan?

Lighthouse, what is the rule on a ball traveling over the back board on it's path to the basket as was the case in last night's game.

Rule 7, Section 1, Article 3.
The ball shall be out of bounds when it passes over the backboard from any direction.

That's the rule, and it's really easy to call when the ball goes directly over the BB from either the front or from the back. However, when it goes over the corner from the side it's a very difficult call to make. The reason is, that call must be made by either the center or trail official, and not the lead official on the baseline because he never looks up. From their angle, unless they have a clear view, they will pass. I saw the play and couldn't be sure it went over. Although it might have gone over the corner. Tough call or no call either way.

Will Lavender
03-09-2008, 09:24 PM
Frustrating to me when Fl is driving for a layup and the Fl guy jumps into the Ky player. Whistle is blown and the call is on the D when the guy shooting layup clearly initiated the contact.

AWFUL call. One of the worst I've seen this season, and I truly don't think Florida gets close in this game without that call.

Other than that, a decent game. I still say we just concluded the worst officiated SEC season I can remember. Almost every night out it was a nightmare.

UKBOO
03-10-2008, 06:54 AM
Rule 7, Section 1, Article 3.
The ball shall be out of bounds when it passes over the backboard from any direction.

That's the rule, and it's really easy to call when the ball goes directly over the BB from either the front or from the back. However, when it goes over the corner from the side it's a very difficult call to make. The reason is, that call must be made by either the center or trail official, and not the lead official on the baseline because he never looks up. From their angle, unless they have a clear view, they will pass. I saw the play and couldn't be sure it went over. Although it might have gone over the corner. Tough call or no call either way.

I agree. I think it was right to pass on the call. The player was far enough out that it was hard to tell if any of the ball passed over the corner of the back board. I think you have to let that one go.

The rule is a little vague. Does it mean ALL of the ball must pass over the back board? ANY of the ball?

ukwebfan
03-10-2008, 08:21 AM
Nothing like the UCLA game last night. How would you feel this morning if you were a Cal fan?Or a Stanford fan Thursday? They had a clear block with 2.5 seconds left that was called a foul. Collison made both FT sending the game to OT when UCLA won.

UCLA double controversy (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/notebook?page=notebook/atr080309)

VirginiaBlue
03-10-2008, 09:17 AM
UCLA got 2 outright gifts last week. Very poor calls near the end of the games, very crucial calls, went their way. Yet the announcers attributed it to "UCLA's gritty play" and "toughness" and "refuse to lose" and drooled over them.

kentuckykid
03-10-2008, 09:39 AM
I am not out there with the striped shirts on and dont know all the rules but one thing I noticed on just about every trip for the gators was what I thought were illegal picks, just about every one had the man moving his arms toward the UK player or sticking their leg out trying to block. I only saw one of them called.

Will Lavender
03-10-2008, 09:41 AM
I am not out there with the striped shirts on and dont know all the rules but one thing I noticed on just about every trip for the gators was what I thought were illegal picks, just about every one had the man moving his arms toward the UK player or sticking their leg out trying to block. I only saw one of them called.

Since they went to that ball screen offense, Florida has been the king of the illegal screen. The last two years, when they've had NBA talent, the refs have protected them. Yesterday, however, they got a couple of them called.

Catligula
03-10-2008, 11:29 AM
I get frustrated at the end of games when the refs swallow the whistles. Seems we have been getting hacked quite a bit lately in this situation with no calls and it allows teams to make it a game.

I don't mind them letting the players play a little more physical toward the end of games, long as they call it the same both ways. It can be frustrating to see opponents get away with things, but at the same time it would be pretty weak to win a game because of a palming call or somethin'.

Littlemeyer
03-10-2008, 11:56 AM
Over reaction on offensive foul call on # 34 black. Good call, no need for theatrics.


Couldn't agree more. That is one my growing pet-peeves: Referees are NOT what people came to see. Just make the call and go the other way. No need to showboat to the crowd.

Terry L. Wildcat
03-10-2008, 01:15 PM
Thanks Steve and I wish you were going to be in Catlanta.

lighthouse
03-10-2008, 01:45 PM
Thanks Steve and I wish you were going to be in Catlanta.

Your welcome Terry, I'll miss you guys. I'll try to make a report after every UK game, but will probably miss the others.

WildcatDan
03-10-2008, 02:10 PM
Steve,

Is it the "flex coverage" that causes the refs to seem to be in the way so much this year? There have been several times this year where it seems like the ref interferes with the action on the court because of their positioning and I don't remember seeing that in the past...Is that just me or what is going on?

JawadtheChinchilla
03-10-2008, 02:52 PM
I also noticed that they never called over the back on Werner, but he did it nearly every time he was involved in a rebounding situation. Several happened right in front of me when I was sitting underneath the right basket.

lighthouse
03-10-2008, 05:45 PM
Steve,

Is it the "flex coverage" that causes the refs to seem to be in the way so much this year? There have been several times this year where it seems like the ref interferes with the action on the court because of their positioning and I don't remember seeing that in the past...Is that just me or what is going on?

I've noticed that too, and I'm really not sure if it's the Flex or not. In the past, there was a lead, center and trail official. In the Flex, the center and trail switch positions according to where the ball is, and the lead moves across the baseline from sideline to sideline. It's a lot like the NBA, perish the thought. The problem seems to be when the trail moves out on the court too far for whatever reason. It was a lot simpler in the old days, and IMO better floor coverage.

BamaCat86
03-11-2008, 11:15 AM
I also noticed that they never called over the back on Werner, but he did it nearly every time he was involved in a rebounding situation. Several happened right in front of me when I was sitting underneath the right basket.

The big kid at Vandy (A.J. Oglevy) gets away with crashing the boards and going over the back on a lot of players for rebounds and "put backs". He had a huge basket on Saturday against Alabama that should have been his fifth foul, but there was no call.

Grub
03-11-2008, 11:21 AM
I thought Werner was moving on practically every pick he set. Several of them, the offensive player didn't penetrate deep enough for contact to be made.

FWIW - I don't like Dan Werner (Brian Cardinal lite)