What has impressed me about Billy G

[UKSam]

What I see in BCG is a mix of our last two coaches.

Pitino- I great motivator and recruiter. However if you are down by 1 with 5 seconds left Rick would not be my choice for a coach.

Tubby- I think that he just got tired of the pressure at KY. However he is one of the best "one play" coaches in the game. He was also great about using the end of the first half as practice for end of game situations.

Everything I saw on BCG prior to becoming a cat was his ability to recruit and bring the best out of his players. I did not know how good he is as a X/O coach. He has devised some very complex plays at times but is not afraid of throwing an old high school JV play at you either.

The end of game play against Georgia was brilliant. The only thing missing was the call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sure this will bring up some discussion but does anyone else see a lot of Bobby Knight in Billy G? The "my way" attitude. The work ethic, no excuses and a great situational coach.

The only difference is that Billy G brings this with a sense of humility and humbleness that makes him media friendly.

[UKhoov]

What I see in BCG is a mix of our last two coaches.

Pitino- I great motivator and recruiter. However if you are down by 1 with 5 seconds left Rick would not be my choice for a coach.

Tubby- I think that he just got tired of the pressure at KY. However he is one of the best "one play" coaches in the game. He was also great about using the end of the first half as practice for end of game situations.

Everything I saw on BCG prior to becoming a cat was his ability to recruit and bring the best out of his players. I did not know how good he is as a X/O coach. He has devised some very complex plays at times but is not afraid of throwing an old high school JV play at you either.

The end of game play against Georgia was brilliant. The only thing missing was the call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am sure this will bring up some discussion but does anyone else see a lot of Bobby Knight in Billy G? The "my way" attitude. The work ethic, no excuses and a great situational coach.

The only difference is that Billy G brings this with a sense of humility and humbleness that makes him media friendly.
Not a bad way to look at it. I like the comparisons.

[tauzreborn]

Excellent comparisons! I think a lot of us, including me, forgot how well Tubby did in those one possesion situations. Not so much the last two years, but he was money out of a time-out.

[campflatlickky]

Lets see my thread was closed quickly alot of people was upset. Said coaching changes has to go through a transition?? Hum, Tubby took Minnesotta from 9-22 season before he took over to a 20-13 season this season. We won 18 games, barely by a miracle of unknown origins which I am thankfull for, get to the big dance. So, everyone thinks that what reason was Patterson injured pre-conference play?? Those loses was not a transition but poor over-all coaching. Granted not as talented as we have been but definetly better than FLORIDA dreamed to be but they won with young players pre-conference play.

I still think that he has alot to prove before I am a Billie G Fan. Continue 2 more seasons like this one and we will see how everyone will be buying him a ticket to get on the bus. The Georgia game in the SEC was like deja vu all over again like early season. Maybe the players were upset over Tubby being railroaded but, we did have the Horses to beat Gardner Webb. No excuses for such incompetance.

Yes, I agree Kentucky needed a change but I guarantee we were better off with Tubby than the G Man. Time will tell, maybe wrong ---- Billie show us the "Money!"

[bluebayou]

I see CBC as the total package. I remember the best thing about Tubby was that you knew you could count on him having us playing our best ball come tourney time. I think the pressure got to him the last couple of years and he even stopped doing that. As far as his situational coaching. I thought he was not the best, ie...Sheray taking the last shot against LSU, several times we looked brain dead and bewildered in the last plays of the 2nd half and end of game situations. But at least he could pick the player that should have the ball and get it to them. Except for the fore-mentioned situation. But Tubby was always a classy and down to earth person. I had the chance to meet him when he came to here to Richmond, VA and visited our local sports talk show on a onsite location at Extra Billy's (some of the best bbq you'll ever eat), and he was so approachable. He had a presence about him that was very friendly, and like the guy next door. But I think his biggest weakness was his staff. He really didn't have the best staff. That, I believe, led to the lack of player developement, lack of team unity and chemistry, and ultimately his downfall. Glad he's doing well in Minny.

CBC however, can do it all. And he is so humbled to have the opportunity that he has. In other words, he shares the same passion that our fanbase does about our basketball team, and is one of us. He just happens to be the ring leader.

[jdeasy]

Excellent comparisons! I think a lot of us, including me, forgot how well Tubby did in those one possesion situations. Not so much the last two years, but he was money out of a time-out.


I haven't forgotten that he didn't know how much time was on the clock at end of games. Or, that we never got a decent shot at the end of the half. Or that he waved Thomas off the free throw line. Or that he kept Hayes on the bench in the overtime against Mich. St. to go to the final four.

Maybe I have forgotten all those non existant end game plays?

[dhens7]

I haven't forgotten that he didn't know how much time was on the clock at end of games. Or, that we never got a decent shot at the end of the half. Or that he waved Thomas off the free throw line. Or that he kept Hayes on the bench in the overtime against Mich. St. to go to the final four.

Maybe I have forgotten all those non existant end game plays?

I agree. I thought Tubby was terrible at end of the game situations. He would call a timeout then run the patented "five guys in a coma" play which never got a good shot.

[KCKUKFan]

I disagree completely about Tubby being a great 'time-out-and-last-shot' playcaller. I can't count the number of times he would call a time-out, stand near midcourt with his three cronies for the majority of the TO, then go over and whip something up really quickly, only to not even be able to get the ball in bounds. There were a couple that worked (i.e. Chuck Hayes' drop-step in the SEC tourney against LSU), but there were more than a couple that failed miserably.

As a matter of fact, I think Tubby's reputation as an amazing X-and-Os coach is completely overstated. And I'm not a Tubby basher. He could be a good coach and he was a great representitive of the program, but there was a reason he fits well at programs like Tulsa, Georgia, and Minnesota.

Gillispie > Smith, but really the argument is a moot point.

[JohnJ]

What I see in BCG is a mix of our last two coaches.

I see him more as a throwback to Adolph Rupp in a lot of ways.

[JWORLD]

I see him more as a throwback to Adolph Rupp in a lot of ways.
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[Praray]

He is a big time Bob Knight deciple, said so himself. He uses the Bobby Knight defense but does not use his motion offense, said it was too complicated for him to learn. I heard him say that on the pre game radio show prior to playing Auburn on Feb 6th.

[loomis1228]

Lets see my thread was closed quickly alot of people was upset. Said coaching changes has to go through a transition?? Hum, Tubby took Minnesotta from 9-22 season before he took over to a 20-13 season this season. We won 18 games, barely by a miracle of unknown origins which I am thankfull for, get to the big dance. So, everyone thinks that what reason was Patterson injured pre-conference play?? Those loses was not a transition but poor over-all coaching. Granted not as talented as we have been but definetly better than FLORIDA dreamed to be but they won with young players pre-conference play.

I still think that he has alot to prove before I am a Billie G Fan. Continue 2 more seasons like this one and we will see how everyone will be buying him a ticket to get on the bus. The Georgia game in the SEC was like deja vu all over again like early season. Maybe the players were upset over Tubby being railroaded but, we did have the Horses to beat Gardner Webb. No excuses for such incompetance.

Yes, I agree Kentucky needed a change but I guarantee we were better off with Tubby than the G Man. Time will tell, maybe wrong ---- Billie show us the "Money!"


wrong message board, hoss. I suggest going over to FIREBILLYG.com and airing it out.

P.s.--It's BILLY not BILLIE. He's a boy....not a girl. That's what we all learned in first grade spelling class. You must have been gone that day.

[catsfan20]

Lets see my thread was closed quickly alot of people was upset. Said coaching changes has to go through a transition?? Hum, Tubby took Minnesotta from 9-22 season before he took over to a 20-13 season this season. We won 18 games, barely by a miracle of unknown origins which I am thankfull for, get to the big dance. So, everyone thinks that what reason was Patterson injured pre-conference play?? Those loses was not a transition but poor over-all coaching. Granted not as talented as we have been but definetly better than FLORIDA dreamed to be but they won with young players pre-conference play.

I still think that he has alot to prove before I am a Billie G Fan. Continue 2 more seasons like this one and we will see how everyone will be buying him a ticket to get on the bus. The Georgia game in the SEC was like deja vu all over again like early season. Maybe the players were upset over Tubby being railroaded but, we did have the Horses to beat Gardner Webb. No excuses for such incompetance.

Yes, I agree Kentucky needed a change but I guarantee we were better off with Tubby than the G Man. Time will tell, maybe wrong ---- Billie show us the "Money!"

Let me help you out. You are wrong.

If you don't understand this already, it's probably going to be a long process.

[Marine_UK_Fan]

Lets see my thread was closed quickly alot of people was upset. Said coaching changes has to go through a transition?? Hum, Tubby took Minnesotta from 9-22 season before he took over to a 20-13 season this season. We won 18 games, barely by a miracle of unknown origins which I am thankfull for, get to the big dance. So, everyone thinks that what reason was Patterson injured pre-conference play?? Those loses was not a transition but poor over-all coaching. Granted not as talented as we have been but definetly better than FLORIDA dreamed to be but they won with young players pre-conference play.

I still think that he has alot to prove before I am a Billie G Fan. Continue 2 more seasons like this one and we will see how everyone will be buying him a ticket to get on the bus. The Georgia game in the SEC was like deja vu all over again like early season. Maybe the players were upset over Tubby being railroaded but, we did have the Horses to beat Gardner Webb. No excuses for such incompetance.

Yes, I agree Kentucky needed a change but I guarantee we were better off with Tubby than the G Man. Time will tell, maybe wrong ---- Billie show us the "Money!"

Is this written in English???? :shrug1:

You, obviously, have no idea what it means to have to break something down before you build it back up. This team needed to be broken down to the studs and then rebuilt and that rebuilding started with conference play and it's still going on right now. Next year's team is going to come out gun blazing at midnight madness and not look back. BCG is going to have his jersey in the rafters, but not for a long time and not before he hangs some banners (PLURAL).

In my opinion, we're tons better off than at this point last year or any of the last couple of seasons. This team is on a rise at the end of the season instead of fading. If you can't see the difference, in just one season, in the player development and the intensity this team plays with, then I don't know what to tell you. Not to mention the good word on the recruiting front. Things are looking up, try to stay buckled in and enjoy the ride!!

[KCKUKFan]

Lets see my thread was closed quickly alot of people was upset. Said coaching changes has to go through a transition?? Hum, Tubby took Minnesotta from 9-22 season before he took over to a 20-13 season this season. We won 18 games, barely by a miracle of unknown origins which I am thankfull for, get to the big dance. So, everyone thinks that what reason was Patterson injured pre-conference play?? Those loses was not a transition but poor over-all coaching. Granted not as talented as we have been but definetly better than FLORIDA dreamed to be but they won with young players pre-conference play.

I still think that he has alot to prove before I am a Billie G Fan. Continue 2 more seasons like this one and we will see how everyone will be buying him a ticket to get on the bus. The Georgia game in the SEC was like deja vu all over again like early season. Maybe the players were upset over Tubby being railroaded but, we did have the Horses to beat Gardner Webb. No excuses for such incompetance.

Yes, I agree Kentucky needed a change but I guarantee we were better off with Tubby than the G Man. Time will tell, maybe wrong ---- Billie show us the "Money!"

A tireless recruiter that after a couple seasons will once again be able to "pick and choose" his players, rather than drag out and wait on the recruits? Check.

A strong motivator? Check.

An undeniable desire to win? And win BIG? True competitive fire? Check.

A solid assistant staff chock full of good recruiters? Check.

A proven past with the ability to turn things around in a hurry? Check.

Living and breathing the game of basketball? Check.

An excellent X-and-Os guy that gets the best out of his ballplayers? Check (i.e. Crawford, Bradley, Stevenson)

A true passion for the University of Kentucky, it's tradition, and fans? Check.

Let Gillispie get his players in here, establish his system firmly, and the question won't be "how much are we going to lose by" when we face the North Carolinas and Kansases. It will be "how much are we going to win by." It will take time for him to clean up the mini-mess that was left by the past coaching staff's inability to recruit and poor motivation. But it will happen. Sooner than later. Bank on it.

[dhens7]

Lets see my thread was closed quickly alot of people was upset. Said coaching changes has to go through a transition?? Hum, Tubby took Minnesotta from 9-22 season before he took over to a 20-13 season this season. We won 18 games, barely by a miracle of unknown origins which I am thankfull for, get to the big dance. So, everyone thinks that what reason was Patterson injured pre-conference play?? Those loses was not a transition but poor over-all coaching. Granted not as talented as we have been but definetly better than FLORIDA dreamed to be but they won with young players pre-conference play.

I still think that he has alot to prove before I am a Billie G Fan. Continue 2 more seasons like this one and we will see how everyone will be buying him a ticket to get on the bus. The Georgia game in the SEC was like deja vu all over again like early season. Maybe the players were upset over Tubby being railroaded but, we did have the Horses to beat Gardner Webb. No excuses for such incompetance.

Yes, I agree Kentucky needed a change but I guarantee we were better off with Tubby than the G Man. Time will tell, maybe wrong ---- Billie show us the "Money!"


?!?!!? IS this Jay Bilas?

[bluecat406]

Lets see my thread was closed quickly alot of people was upset. Said coaching changes has to go through a transition?? Hum, Tubby took Minnesotta from 9-22 season before he took over to a 20-13 season this season. We won 18 games, barely by a miracle of unknown origins which I am thankfull for, get to the big dance. So, everyone thinks that what reason was Patterson injured pre-conference play?? Those loses was not a transition but poor over-all coaching. Granted not as talented as we have been but definetly better than FLORIDA dreamed to be but they won with young players pre-conference play.

I still think that he has alot to prove before I am a Billie G Fan. Continue 2 more seasons like this one and we will see how everyone will be buying him a ticket to get on the bus. The Georgia game in the SEC was like deja vu all over again like early season. Maybe the players were upset over Tubby being railroaded but, we did have the Horses to beat Gardner Webb. No excuses for such incompetance.

Yes, I agree Kentucky needed a change but I guarantee we were better off with Tubby than the G Man. Time will tell, maybe wrong ---- Billie show us the "Money!"

Yep, I totally agree. So do all the coaches that voted him co-coach of the year in the SEC. He sucks as a coach.

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[dhens7]

Yep, I totally agree. So do all the coaches that voted him co-coach of the year in the SEC. He sucks as a coach.

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thats funny there.

[bluecat406]

Sorry for the comments littlemeyer. His post got me all fired up. :icon_redface:

[Rosie]

that post is strange. Wonder what season he is refering to? Surely not the previous two 9 victory SEC seasons. I have to watch what I say because I have already been chastised by the mods for my opinions, but they have never been as ungrounded as the post in question.

[Mountain Cat]

Lets see my thread was closed quickly alot of people was upset. Said coaching changes has to go through a transition?? Hum, Tubby took Minnesotta from 9-22 season before he took over to a 20-13 season this season. We won 18 games, barely by a miracle of unknown origins which I am thankfull for, get to the big dance. So, everyone thinks that what reason was Patterson injured pre-conference play?? Those loses was not a transition but poor over-all coaching. Granted not as talented as we have been but definetly better than FLORIDA dreamed to be but they won with young players pre-conference play.

I still think that he has alot to prove before I am a Billie G Fan. Continue 2 more seasons like this one and we will see how everyone will be buying him a ticket to get on the bus. The Georgia game in the SEC was like deja vu all over again like early season. Maybe the players were upset over Tubby being railroaded but, we did have the Horses to beat Gardner Webb. No excuses for such incompetance.

Yes, I agree Kentucky needed a change but I guarantee we were better off with Tubby than the G Man. Time will tell, maybe wrong ---- Billie show us the "Money!"

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[katfantoo]

Lets see my thread was closed quickly alot of people was upset. Said coaching changes has to go through a transition?? Hum, Tubby took Minnesotta from 9-22 season before he took over to a 20-13 season this season. We won 18 games, barely by a miracle of unknown origins which I am thankfull for, get to the big dance. So, everyone thinks that what reason was Patterson injured pre-conference play?? Those loses was not a transition but poor over-all coaching. Granted not as talented as we have been but definetly better than FLORIDA dreamed to be but they won with young players pre-conference play.

I still think that he has alot to prove before I am a Billie G Fan. Continue 2 more seasons like this one and we will see how everyone will be buying him a ticket to get on the bus. The Georgia game in the SEC was like deja vu all over again like early season. Maybe the players were upset over Tubby being railroaded but, we did have the Horses to beat Gardner Webb. No excuses for such incompetance.

Yes, I agree Kentucky needed a change but I guarantee we were better off with Tubby than the G Man. Time will tell, maybe wrong ---- Billie show us the "Money!"
hey , i'll ask you to see what coach did at his previous stops...then i'll ask that you watch texas a & m play defence , then i'll ask you to re-consider your post and if the previous observations don't cause you to find anything positive to say........then i'll have to consider that you're really a louisville fan , cause nobody who cares anything about Kentucky basketball would bother to slobber over the loss to G W or cry bout Tubby being railroaded.....he resigned .
but really if you're unhappy you get on the "bus " and run on down to Paternaland .
now there is a man who can " SHOW YOU THE MONEY "
ask the celtics ;)

[BigBlue75]

Lets see my thread was closed quickly alot of people was upset. Said coaching changes has to go through a transition?? Hum, Tubby took Minnesotta from 9-22 season before he took over to a 20-13 season this season. We won 18 games, barely by a miracle of unknown origins which I am thankfull for, get to the big dance. So, everyone thinks that what reason was Patterson injured pre-conference play?? Those loses was not a transition but poor over-all coaching. Granted not as talented as we have been but definetly better than FLORIDA dreamed to be but they won with young players pre-conference play.

I still think that he has alot to prove before I am a Billie G Fan. Continue 2 more seasons like this one and we will see how everyone will be buying him a ticket to get on the bus. The Georgia game in the SEC was like deja vu all over again like early season. Maybe the players were upset over Tubby being railroaded but, we did have the Horses to beat Gardner Webb. No excuses for such incompetance.

Yes, I agree Kentucky needed a change but I guarantee we were better off with Tubby than the G Man. Time will tell, maybe wrong ---- Billie show us the "Money!"

There is so much wrong with that hate-filled post the only comment worth making is it's not worth commenting further on.
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[campflatlickky]

that post is strange. Wonder what season he is refering to? Surely not the previous two 9 victory SEC seasons. I have to watch what I say because I have already been chastised by the mods for my opinions, but they have never been as ungrounded as the post in question.

An SEC team won the National Championship right, Last two seasons???
So, this year has the strength as past two...... I saw a franatic challenge
to even get into the tourney which was placed on the back on two seniors in a the weakest season for the SEC Conference in the 40 years that I have watched and whole heartedly supported and a GRADUATE from UK.
We all were on the Pitano band wagon when he arrived yet he was heckled and boo'd the first time he walked back into Rupp coaching the Cards.
Did Legion stay?? Did we get beat by Gardner Webb, Houston, San Diego?? Stoney Brook stayed into game with us?? What a tough pre-conference schedule we had with a few exceptions...... John Pelfry or Travis Ford would have been far better choices for UK true blue. Get mad if you like --- we will see in the next 2 years.

[UKcat]

fly-by poster warning!!!!

IGNORE HIM FOLKS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>he'll go away soon. He won't be able to stand watching Billy Clyde kick his butt every year!!!!

[kyjones]

Camp, no way are you a UK grad with your grammer, spelling and thought process......Possibly a L-ville grad, maybe

[dhens7]

He won't be here in two years when he is proven WRONG!!!!! And who is Alex Legion!!!!!! Nothing like living in the past is there.

BTW SEC got just as many schools in the tourney as they did the last couple of years - 6

[campflatlickky]

Camp, no way are you a UK grad with your grammer, spelling and thought process......Possibly a L-ville grad, maybe

Sorry, to make everyone mad! I just feel we had the talent to do better than we did. I feel about 5-18 wins was a direct result of coaching 13-18 was player based only wins, no way shape or form due to coaching.
I did not know to be a 100% Wildcat fan that you have to agree with the coaching decisions or even the coach selection. No, Hate here at all. I wish him the best and UK WILDCATS ARE ALWAYS number 1 in my eyes, just sometimes people are blinded by the truth of the matter. We could have picked a better coach again Travis Ford or John Pelfry.

To address the Louisville fan issue; never been one --- never will be one, but do pull for a Kentucky team if we get beat out. And if no other Kentucky team is in the running I even pull for an SEC team with one exception--------------------------UT Vols, never been able to stoop that low!

[Bombastic Blue]

THAT explains it! You're not supposed to take that stuff. Just count it out and put it in bottles!

[LiveBlue]

Sorry, to make everyone mad! I just feel we had the talent to do better than we did. I feel about 5-18 wins was a direct result of coaching 13-18 was player based only wins, no way shape or form due to coaching.
I did not know to be a 100% Wildcat fan that you have to agree with the coaching decisions or even the coach selection. No, Hate here at all. I wish him the best and UK WILDCATS ARE ALWAYS number 1 in my eyes, just sometimes people are blinded by the truth of the matter. We could have picked a better coach again Travis Ford or John Pelfry.

To address the Louisville fan issue; never been one --- never will be one, but do pull for a Kentucky team if we get beat out. And if no other Kentucky team is in the running I even pull for an SEC team with one exception--------------------------UT Vols, never been able to stoop that low!

Hmm....

Ignore button certainly does come in handy.

[DCWildcat]

Ack...we're regressing...

Back on track: I like that assessment of Gillispie. I don't know what else to say except that he's the total package in all respects.

[tauzreborn]

I agree. I thought Tubby was terrible at end of the game situations. He would call a timeout then run the patented "five guys in a coma" play which never got a good shot.

I haven't forgotten that he didn't know how much time was on the clock at end of games. Or, that we never got a decent shot at the end of the half. Or that he waved Thomas off the free throw line. Or that he kept Hayes on the bench in the overtime against Mich. St. to go to the final four.

Maybe I have forgotten all those non existant end game plays?

As subtle as it may be, there is a disclaimer in my post. The last two seasons were terrible, but if you remember back before those he would almost always get two points out of a time-out.

[bluecat406]

THAT explains it! You're not supposed to take that stuff. Just count it out and put it in bottles!

:icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen:Robin Williams? Is that you?

[BALou]

I see him more as a throwback to Adolph Rupp in a lot of ways.

This is my opinion, too. Rupp was a tough, hard nosed coach....blue collar just like BCG. He was a plain speaker, and no slick PR media darling.

GO CATS!!!

[RCS]

I am certainly not the grammar police, hell I am an engineer so I am hardly a novelist, but good lord that is one of the worst written post from a purported college grad that I have ever seen.
I see why you would still have doubt about BCG, this hasn't exactly been the greatest season ever, but what has Pelphrey or Ford done? UK had less talent yet more SEC wins that Ark and beat Ark head to head. Ford has done a fine job at UMass but is not anywhere close to the coach of BCG. BCG has won coach of the year for 4 straight years yet you still don't think he can coach? I guess we will find out but I will be very surprised if he isn't very successful.

[Dwight Schrute]

An SEC team won the National Championship right, Last two seasons???
So, this year has the strength as past two...... I saw a franatic challenge
to even get into the tourney which was placed on the back on two seniors in a the weakest season for the SEC Conference in the 40 years that I have watched and whole heartedly supported and a GRADUATE from UK.
We all were on the Pitano band wagon when he arrived yet he was heckled and boo'd the first time he walked back into Rupp coaching the Cards.
Did Legion stay?? Did we get beat by Gardner Webb, Houston, San Diego?? Stoney Brook stayed into game with us?? What a tough pre-conference schedule we had with a few exceptions...... John Pelfry or Travis Ford would have been far better choices for UK true blue. Get mad if you like --- we will see in the next 2 years.

I have a feeling you're baiting, but I'll bite. So you don't think the wins were due to coaching, but you blame the losses on coaching? You can't have it both ways.

Also, you think John Pelphrey (noticed I spelled it correctly) would have been better? I must have seen it differently, because I saw his vastly more talented team get beaten by UK in Rupp Arena. Pel will be a great coach someday, but right now he's not ready for the UK job. Also, his team got manhandled by the same Georgia team that we took to overtime. And what seed did Travis Ford's UMass team get in the NCAA tourney? Oh, they didn't make it.

The stupid is migrating over from The Cats Pause, I see.

[BALou]

I have a feeling you're baiting, but I'll bite. So you don't think the wins were due to coaching, but you blame the losses on coaching? You can't have it both ways.

Also, you think John Pelphrey (noticed I spelled it correctly) would have been better? I must have seen it differently, because I saw his vastly more talented team get beaten by UK in Rupp Arena. Pel will be a great coach someday, but right now he's not ready for the UK job. Also, his team got manhandled by the same Georgia team that we took to overtime. And what seed did Travis Ford's UMass team get in the NCAA tourney? Oh, they didn't make it.

The stupid is migrating over from The Cats Pause, I see.

It's "fans" like this poster who would have been the first to cut Pelphrey or Travis off at the knees at the first sign of losing. I will repeat the analogy of my good friend, UKBOO, who commented that bringing Pel or Travis in after Smith's resignation would have been like a Mother eating her young.

This poster has done nothing but flame since joining the board. He may be the first poster that I put on ignore.

[IAM4UK88]

Regarding the first half of this season: Not only was Coach breaking down the team to build it back up, but during that stretch, FIVE of the would-be starting five were out at some point with injury. 13 starting lineups in the first 14 games, as I recall.

[Rosie]

I'm not mad. I'm just amazed that you have watched the last years of OTS at KY and failed to see how trudgedly the offense was and erratic the defense was. I enjoyed hearing of your "magnificent personal achievements", but they don't cover up the fact that you are just wrong.

BCG team this year has shown more guts and heart than any of the OTS teams with the exception of the 98 team and the undefeated SEC team.

Don't talk down to me camp. It says a lot more about you than me.

[campflatlickky]

I'm not mad. I'm just amazed that you have watched the last years of OTS at KY and failed to see how trudgedly the offense was and erratic the defense was. I enjoyed hearing of your "magnificent personal achievements", but they don't cover up the fact that you are just wrong.

BCG team this year has shown more guts and heart than any of the OTS teams with the exception of the 98 team and the undefeated SEC team.

Don't talk down to me camp. It says a lot more about you than me.

Not talking down at anyone. I have opinion just like everyone else does. But, It seems as if you don't follow the main stream thinking then you get attacked personally for your beliefs. I will put my money where my mouth has been and take anyones bet that he never brings a title to Kentucky during his stay here. Even if they let him stay for 6 more years. Or was I mistaken thinking he has won a NCAA title.
Before Billy Donovan ever won any title, I said "We should get Billy D, and sure enough within 3 years of saying it he won 2 National titles!" Now I dislike him for his showing interest and partial commitment to KY then Backed out. Glad they had a down year! But, give credit where it is due and 2 titles does make a great coach. No titles makes me want to follow the G-Man like everyone else, over a bridge, NOT.

I wish I could pay off the bet this year and he would bring a title home.

[Littlemeyer]

Disagreement doesn't equal "attacked personally", campflatlickky. One must have thick skin if one wants to post on these boards. (Especially with such an awful opinion. :icon_mrgreen: Kidding.) (Sort of.)

[campflatlickky]

I am certainly not the grammar police, hell I am an engineer so I am hardly a novelist, but good lord that is one of the worst written post from a purported college grad that I have ever seen.
I see why you would still have doubt about BCG, this hasn't exactly been the greatest season ever, but what has Pelphrey or Ford done? UK had less talent yet more SEC wins that Ark and beat Ark head to head. Ford has done a fine job at UMass but is not anywhere close to the coach of BCG. BCG has won coach of the year for 4 straight years yet you still don't think he can coach? I guess we will find out but I will be very surprised if he isn't very successful.
Beat out first round of SEC tourney, a 7-9 start to season, finished 3rd in overall conference play.... Wow I must be a Lone wolfe, I did not see the same season as you did. We did have the talent to do better, after all this is Kentucky!
My best friend is also a BCG fan and even today said Marquette will send us home first game. I have faith in that Blue and White uniform that each player dresses in. That alone gives me hope for the upset over Marquette (with 2 great seniors who have been to NCAA now 4 times).

[bigpapavol]

I'm just a lowly Vol fan, but anyone arguing that Pelphrey or Ford would be better options than CBG should probably be banned or put on some sort of auto-ignore function.

CBG can flat coach and will outwork everyone in the business. He's never going to enjoy the dominance that UK is accustomed to because parity is a part fo the modern game, great players depart early, the conference has several good coaches who will be competitive. UK is likely to regain its position as the preeminent program in the SEC, but there will be some better competition as we lose our reputation as just a football conference.

[bigbaloo]

Beat out first round of SEC tourney, a 7-9 start to season, finished 3rd in overall conference play.... Wow I must be a Lone wolfe, I did not see the same season as you did. We did have the talent to do better, after all this is Kentucky!
My best friend is also a BCG fan and even today said Marquette will send us home first game. I have faith in that Blue and White uniform that each player dresses in. That alone gives me hope for the upset over Marquette (with 2 great seniors who have been to NCAA now 4 times).

good for you dude! I'm not one who's on the BCG love train...yet. This has been the worst season I can remember( Rick P. 1st probation year doesn't count) in my 30 years of watching. I catch slack from plenty of people cause I'm not all giddy about him. But oh well, doesn't mean your less a UK fan than anyone else. If that was the case we didn't have much of a fan base the last 2 years with all the Tubby bashing that went on.

Your always going to have fans that will defend whoever the coach is at UK no matter what he does. But believe me, most of the guys defending him now are the same ones who ripped OTS on a normal bases. So it's not like your doing anything new, your just one of the first to call him out. A few more years like this and you won't be the only one tho.

But...you have to to give Billy G. time, at least 4-5 years. It's way to early to start the 'fire the coach' threads. Way to early! He's a recruiting stud so if he can coach just a little, he'll do well here.

Like I said, I'm not sure he's the savior of UK basketball(I hope he is tho), but time wil tell. Phelprey and Ford have plenty of time to become the next UK coach. I just hope it's after BCG retires with a few championship banners.

[DCWildcat]

I'm just a lowly Vol fan, but anyone arguing that Pelphrey or Ford would be better options than CBG should probably be banned or put on some sort of auto-ignore function.

CBG can flat coach and will outwork everyone in the business. He's never going to enjoy the dominance that UK is accustomed to because parity is a part fo the modern game, great players depart early, the conference has several good coaches who will be competitive. UK is likely to regain its position as the preeminent program in the SEC, but there will be some better competition as we lose our reputation as just a football conference.

Thanks for the complimentary post :thumbup:

It'll be interesting to see what happens at LSU and possibly Alabama. Both teams had great recruiters and poor coaches at the helm, and it'll be interesting to see the style of coach they go after. Another top-tier coach at LSU could really make the SEC yearly top conference.

[bigpapavol]

Thanks for the complimentary post :thumbup:

It'll be interesting to see what happens at LSU and possibly Alabama. Both teams had great recruiters and poor coaches at the helm, and it'll be interesting to see the style of coach they go after. Another top-tier coach at LSU could really make the SEC yearly top conference.
Frankly, had either of them had anybody that could knock down a 3, they might be singing different tunes today. Steele's injury killed AL, otherwise, they were going to be tough for anybody to handle, because Hendrix and Gee are very solid. You guys have some experience with that issue in Tubby's last couple of seasons. Kid that transferred from WKU was really your only threat from deep and you paid for it dearly.

The 3 point line is a dominant aspect of the game and any team without at least a modicum of ability there is going to struggle. Next season will be a bit different with the extra foot, but it won't change things significantly.

[DCWildcat]

Frankly, had either of them had anybody that could knock down a 3, they might be singing different tunes today. Steele's injury killed AL, otherwise, they were going to be tough for anybody to handle, because Hendrix and Gee are very solid. You guys have some experience with that issue in Tubby's last couple of seasons. Kid that transferred from WKU was really your only threat from deep and you paid for it dearly.

The 3 point line is a dominant aspect of the game and any team without at least a modicum of ability there is going to struggle. Next season will be a bit different with the extra foot, but it won't change things significantly.

Definitely true and it's a worry we have for next year. Add together all of 3's hit by players who will return next year (Krebs doesn't count :big_grin:) and it's still short of what Bradley and Crawford did individually. Neither of our signed replacements for next year are particularly noted for their shooting.

Meeks shot the highest volume per minute this year, but didn't shoot particularly well (32%). Jasper is scorching so far, but on a pretty small sample.

We'll have to see.

[countrycat]

If you attack our coach after the GREAT job he did to hold this team together you had better beleave I will not let it pass. Anyone with any basketball knowledge should know BCG did a masterful job, not only with a new team in transition to a new coach, but also dealing with key injuries troughout the season. And if I were a betting man I would take your bet in a heart beat. I beleave fans like you want Billy G to fail so Pelphrey could coach.

[countrycat]

I'm just a lowly Vol fan, but anyone arguing that Pelphrey or Ford would be better options than CBG should probably be banned or put on some sort of auto-ignore function.

CBG can flat coach and will outwork everyone in the business. He's never going to enjoy the dominance that UK is accustomed to because parity is a part fo the modern game, great players depart early, the conference has several good coaches who will be competitive. UK is likely to regain its position as the preeminent program in the SEC, but there will be some better competition as we lose our reputation as just a football conference.
Thanks for posting. Good luck in the tourney.

[bamacat]

Lets see my thread was closed quickly alot of people was upset. Said coaching changes has to go through a transition?? Hum, Tubby took Minnesotta from 9-22 season before he took over to a 20-13 season this season. We won 18 games, barely by a miracle of unknown origins which I am thankfull for, get to the big dance. So, everyone thinks that what reason was Patterson injured pre-conference play?? Those loses was not a transition but poor over-all coaching. Granted not as talented as we have been but definetly better than FLORIDA dreamed to be but they won with young players pre-conference play.

I still think that he has alot to prove before I am a Billie G Fan. Continue 2 more seasons like this one and we will see how everyone will be buying him a ticket to get on the bus. The Georgia game in the SEC was like deja vu all over again like early season. Maybe the players were upset over Tubby being railroaded but, we did have the Horses to beat Gardner Webb. No excuses for such incompetance.

Yes, I agree Kentucky needed a change but I guarantee we were better off with Tubby than the G Man. Time will tell, maybe wrong ---- Billie show us the "Money!"

I agree with all you said, I also am not convinced he is a great recuiter, we haven't seen is recuits play yet except Patterson and he was UK bound no matter who the new coach was. I will just wait and see.

[countrycat]

You are wrong to assume Mr. Patterson would have been here reguardless of coach. He had plenty of opportunity to commit and did not. Previous coach left town when he did not commit because he knew the cupboards were bare. Only the great BCG could get this team to play like this.

[Littlemeyer]

It is just astounding to me that this discussion is taking place now. Back in December, yeah, I could see it. But now??? :shrug1:

[countrycat]

It is just astounding to me that this discussion is taking place now. Back in December, yeah, I could see it. But now??? :shrug1:
Sorry, just not going to let someone assume that, and trying to take up for coach.

[Bombastic Blue]

good for you dude! I'm not one who's on the BCG love train...yet. This has been the worst season I can remember( Rick P. 1st probation year doesn't count) in my 30 years of watching. I catch slack from plenty of people cause I'm not all giddy about him. But oh well, doesn't mean your less a UK fan than anyone else. If that was the case we didn't have much of a fan base the last 2 years with all the Tubby bashing that went on.

Your always going to have fans that will defend whoever the coach is at UK no matter what he does. But believe me, most of the guys defending him now are the same ones who ripped OTS on a normal bases. So it's not like your doing anything new, your just one of the first to call him out. A few more years like this and you won't be the only one tho.

But...you have to to give Billy G. time, at least 4-5 years. It's way to early to start the 'fire the coach' threads. Way to early! He's a recruiting stud so if he can coach just a little, he'll do well here.

Like I said, I'm not sure he's the savior of UK basketball(I hope he is tho), but time wil tell. Phelprey and Ford have plenty of time to become the next UK coach. I just hope it's after BCG retires with a few championship banners.


You'll be allright, bigbaloo. Some folk have trouble seeing the potential. All they see is the result. In a year or two you're going to see all the result you can handle.

BTW, if you'll notice the avatar, I love your handle!

[bigbaloo]

You'll be allright, bigbaloo. Some folk have trouble seeing the potential. All they see is the result. In a year or two you're going to see all the result you can handle.

BTW, if you'll notice the avatar, I love your handle!

Like the avatar! ;)

And yeah, I think your right. It's hard not to like the guy really.

[campflatlickky]

good for you dude! I'm not one who's on the BCG love train...yet. This has been the worst season I can remember( Rick P. 1st probation year doesn't count) in my 30 years of watching. I catch slack from plenty of people cause I'm not all giddy about him. But oh well, doesn't mean your less a UK fan than anyone else. If that was the case we didn't have much of a fan base the last 2 years with all the Tubby bashing that went on.

Your always going to have fans that will defend whoever the coach is at UK no matter what he does. But believe me, most of the guys defending him now are the same ones who ripped OTS on a normal bases. So it's not like your doing anything new, your just one of the first to call him out. A few more years like this and you won't be the only one tho.

But...you have to to give Billy G. time, at least 4-5 years. It's way to early to start the 'fire the coach' threads. Way to early! He's a recruiting stud so if he can coach just a little, he'll do well here.

Like I said, I'm not sure he's the savior of UK basketball(I hope he is tho), but time wil tell. Phelprey and Ford have plenty of time to become the next UK coach. I just hope it's after BCG retires with a few championship banners.

I was thinking it was just me here alone in my beliefs. I greatly appreciate someone who also can see beyond the "GOD" complex that everyone here seems to think he is. But, again I pray he proves me wrong.

I do like the fact that he seems to be sincere and motivated, but was he our first choice, NO!

The 1996 team did not have the talent to win the NCAA title but was one of the greatest teams I have ever watched. The HEART and SPIRIT they played with was truly the deciding factor. All I thought is if you could bring back that overall attitude instilled by a John Pelphry or a Travis Ford, what would that do if it rubbed off to the team. I just think that if you were not going to hired a proven coach, why not give it to a coach that did bring glory as a player to the WILDCAT NATION.

Again, I hope BCG does this for us! But, I can not see it happening with him.

Thanks again BigBaloo!:thumbup:

[campflatlickky]

I agree with all you said, I also am not convinced he is a great recuiter, we haven't seen is recuits play yet except Patterson and he was UK bound no matter who the new coach was. I will just wait and see.

Greatly appreciated! GOD, I was beginning to believe I had done the unforgiven sin, Blasphemy!

[campflatlickky]

If you attack our coach after the GREAT job he did to hold this team together you had better beleave I will not let it pass. Anyone with any basketball knowledge should know BCG did a masterful job, not only with a new team in transition to a new coach, but also dealing with key injuries troughout the season. And if I were a betting man I would take your bet in a heart beat. I beleave fans like you want Billy G to fail so Pelphrey could coach.

I truly hope for a title no matter who the coach is! Yes, I would like to see Pelphry or Ford an opportunity to coach. They deserved a try at it before the G-man did. However, moot point now. We can still bleed blue and hope for a title but GOD knows I do not want 7 years to prove me that I was right and BCG is not the one that can bring it to OUR beloved UK Wildcats.

[Littlemeyer]

The 1996 team did not have the talent to win the NCAA title...

:icon_mrgreen: WHAT??????

If you hadn't been exposed before, I'd say the gig is most certainly up now. Try again later! :icon_mrgreen:

[campflatlickky]

:icon_mrgreen: WHAT??????

If you hadn't been exposed before, I'd say the gig is most certainly up now. Try again later! :icon_mrgreen:

Still confussed on what gig exposed now because what? We played with extreme HEART and spirit. It just has been too long since 1998 for a power house program to not stick another title hanging from RUPP arena.

GOD forbid UNC win it this year, I will shoot myself!

[matt colvin]

Still confussed on what gig exposed now because what? We played with extreme HEART and spirit. It just has been too long since 1998 for a power house program to not stick another title hanging from RUPP arena.

GOD forbid UNC win it this year, I will shoot myself!

Littlemeyer is talking about where you said '96 didn't have the talent to win. I'm assuming it was just a typo and you meant '92 :thumbup:

[Coldstream]

Still confussed on what gig exposed now because what? We played with extreme HEART and spirit. It just has been too long since 1998 for a power house program to not stick another title hanging from RUPP arena.

GOD forbid UNC win it this year, I will shoot myself!

You said the 96 team didn't have the talent to win the NCAA. That was the team that was hailed as one of the best in the history of college basketball. Vitale even said himself that the team was so deep in talent that the 2nd string off the bench could play the 1st team for the NC. That is what he means when he says the jig is up.

[BALou]

Still confussed on what gig exposed now because what? We played with extreme HEART and spirit. It just has been too long since 1998 for a power house program to not stick another title hanging from RUPP arena.

GOD forbid UNC win it this year, I will shoot myself!

Dude...you claim that the 1996 UK team didn't have enough talent to win the championship. They did win the championship, and that team is considered the one of the most talented college teams of all times.

You were totally exposed in regards to any real knowledge about UK and basketball in general. :shock:

[Littlemeyer]

Still confussed on what gig exposed now because what? We played with extreme HEART and spirit. It just has been too long since 1998 for a power house program to not stick another title hanging from RUPP arena.

GOD forbid UNC win it this year, I will shoot myself!

OK, I'll just come out and say it. I don't think you're a Kentucky fan. I think you are here to bait our members.

Even non-Kentucky fans know that the 1996 team was one of the most talented teams to ever play college basketball.

[IAM4UK88]

The claim that "the 1996 UK team did not have the talent to win the national chapionship" is ridiculous, and demonstrably false. Coach Pitino said that if he had not won with that group of guys, he should have been fired. They were among the most talented teams in NCAA hoops history.

[Dwight Schrute]

Can we please ban this guy? He's either extremely stupid or here to bait. I have a feeling its mostly the latter with a little of the former mixed in, but I'll keep my thoughts to myself. He also reminds me a little of Buddah, but it's probably not him.

[campflatlickky]

OK, I'll just come out and say it. I don't think you're a Kentucky fan. I think you are here to bait our members.

Even non-Kentucky fans know that the 1996 team was one of the most talented teams to ever play college basketball.

Now that is Blasphemy! I have watch the Wildcats for now 40 years and always been a fan. I do not follow any professional sports, not even, other college sports but live for each UK basketball season. Even have a signed Ball with J B Hall and Kenny "Sky" Walker. This I would not part with for a $100k. Yes you are right we dominated the tournament in 1996. But, the years that seemed to be extremely talented and a unstoppable we did not bring home the bacon. There should have been at least 2 more banners hanging in Rupp arena than there is now. Pitino's ego which led him not to play Derrick Anderson when 3 doctors released him is one that still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

[wildcat537]

i guarentee this...........
billy clyde will not make a dumb mistake like....
starting dwight PERRY....
instead of PERRY stevenson

[TrueblueCATfan]

[quote=Dwight Schrute;427461]Can we please ban this guy? He's either extremely stupid or here to bait. I have a feeling its mostly the latter with a little of the former mixed in, but I'll keep my thoughts to myself. He also reminds me a little of Buddah, but it's probably not him.[/quotee

Maybe he is Buddah:icon_rolleyes:

[TrueblueCATfan]

the 96 team WON the NCAA championship so to say they did not have talent is just plain stupid......they were the best UK team ever

even Pitino said he will never have another team like that...and I never believe anything that comes out of his mouth:eek:

[DCWildcat]

Keep it civil fellas, this thread is on its last legs

[campflatlickky]

Littlemeyer is talking about where you said '96 didn't have the talent to win. I'm assuming it was just a typo and you meant '92 :thumbup:

Yes, I was completely WRONG..... DEAD wrong sorry! Just getting to old and too senile. I just need another banner to hang here at my home. I have the 96 and 98 up but seem to be missing the ones that should have been there the 97! Been too long since 1998! Someone explain what baiting is??? LOL, I still can't figure how I have baited. I bait my hook when I go fishing, not fishing here just want another banner to hang.

When I lived in Indiana for a few years, I litterally had a fights and people in my face while there just for bleeding blue. Imagine a "Wildcat" fan while in the Bobby Knight /Hoosiers era back in 75-76, it was not pleasant. But, I lived for the days that Kentucky beat them while BOB Knight was couch. Now that he is gone, it just isn't the same feeling as when he reported wept in tears after UK beat them. I forget the year that happened but always brings a smile to my face when I think of it.

[Littlemeyer]

Yes, I was completely WRONG..... DEAD wrong sorry! Just getting to old and too senile. I just need another banner to hang here at my home. I have the 96 and 98 up but seem to be missing the ones that should have been there the 97! Been too long since 1998! Someone explain what baiting is??? LOL, I still can't figure how I have baited. I bait my hook when I go fishing, not fishing here just want another banner to hang.

When I lived in Indiana for a few years, I litterally had a fights and people in my face while there just for bleeding blue. Imagine a "Wildcat" fan while in the Bobby Knight /Hoosiers era back in 75-76, it was not pleasant. But, I lived for the days that Kentucky beat them while BOB Knight was couch. Now that he is gone, it just isn't the same feeling as when he reported wept in tears after UK beat them. I forget the year that happened but always brings a smile to my face when I think of it.

I apologize for assuming you're not a Kentucky fan. I should have considered that it was a simple mistake or typo. :thumbup:

[campflatlickky]

I apologize for assuming you're not a Kentucky fan. I should have considered that it was a simple mistake or typo. :thumbup:

One thing that I have never been accussed of is not being a whole hearted UK Wildcat fan. Even my wife knew when we lost during the Duke loss and Christian LILLYPAD shot, not to even speak to me for a week minimum.

I shaved my head! The customers that came into the pharmacy thought I was having Chemo, told them no just a complete mental breakdown after the Duke loss. Looking back as to why shave my head; someone said after I took a week off from work and watch the games, "you need a hair cut!" So, I promptly got up --- got the dog's shearing clippers and shaved bald. Now does that make you happy because I sure in the H__l still feel like S___t! So, after any UK NCAA losses no one ever comments about me needing a hair cut.

And I still can't believe my Best friend I graduated with who is BCG diehard fan thinks we can't get past Marquette. I always do my bracket regardless to the end with UK! He said this year he filled in his bracket based upon every team he hated to win. Marquette being one of his most hated teams, as well as UNC, which he picked to win it all.

Mine as always has UK as the champs! Needless to say I have not won any of the pools and I am told throwing my money away. Hey, I always believe we have what it takes to carry home the banner!!

I do feel BCG/2 awesome Seniors/Blue & White can pull the 2 wins this tournament. Prediction for 67-63 win over Marquette!

GOD BLESS the UK faithfull!

[TDinBG]

Keep it civil fellas, this thread is on its last legs
Before it dies I will make a dramatic entry and make a comment about Billy Clyde.
There are a lot of things I like about him including his love and enthusiasm for the game and for the UK tradition.

But there are a couple of things I would like to see him change.

It appears that not many of the 'cats are looking to take a shot until the shot clock is about to run out. And there are some good shooters on this team. I have always thought that the way you win basketball games is by scoring more points than the opponent. Perhaps this years style is not his style and it was forced on him this year by all the injuries so I will wait a couple of years before I start complaining about Billy ball.


The second thing that bothers me is that he gets into just about every player's face when they come out of the game. I don't really like to see that at all, especially in front of 24,000 and a national TV audience. I think that is degrading to the player and hope that as he mellows he will change that attribute.

[BigBlue75]

The 1996 team did not have the talent to win the NCAA title..


Have you completely lost it?:shock: The 1996 team has been hailed as one of the greatest teams in the modern era! That team went 34-2, and the talent level was so strong they had Ron Mercer coming in off the bench. The average margin of victory was 22.1 pts, they set a record for assists per game (21.8), They held Syracuse to 38.4 % shooting in the championship game, they still hold the record for most 3 point field goals with 12, and I'm just getting started.

I mean no disrespect but you are just plain WRONG! and that's all there is to it.

[BigBlue75]

The second thing that bothers me is that he gets into just about every player's face when they come out of the game. I don't really like to see that at all, especially in front of 24,000 and a national TV audience. I think that is degrading to the player and hope that as he mellows he will change that attribute.

Excuse me, but when exactly when you have him do it? Wait until after the game when it's too late to do anything about it? It's precisely because he has such demanding standards that the team was able to turn the season around as it has, and I haven't heard the players grumbling and complaining about it.

[Rosie]

right to another. Hard to keep the flames down. It's gotten a little silly.