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teamchemistry09
03-24-2008, 02:39 PM
We all know Lofton got his chance to torch UK twice a year during his stay at UT. But what about UofL? I dont believe he has played UofL yet in college. And I dont think he will go down without a fight. Look for Lofton to light it up card fans and get his 30 Thursday night. I know he wanted to go to UofL bad and Im sure theres still some bad feelings there from him towards Pitino. Good luck against him cards. I still hope he beats ya

4thecards
03-24-2008, 03:11 PM
I think UofL will shut him down. No one knows how good he is if Pitino doesn't. I think it's almost fitting though they he plays what could possibly be his last game against UofL. Give pitino that much time to prepare and he can beat almost anyone.

Boise St. was supposed to be a great three point shooting team and UofL held them to 23%. Oklahoma was supposed to bang it inside with their two big men, those two finished with 10 points and 10 rebounds between them.

I don't think any of these teams has faced a defense like UofL's, including UT. I haven't watched Lofton alot, but what I have seen he seems like he's content to sit outside the three point line and launch it. Not much of a drive and disher. And I know he doesn't play very good defense.

The only thing that will stop UofL is UofL. If they play like they did against G-town and Pitt, UT will win. If they play like they did the first two games of the tournament, UofL will beat UT by double digits.

teamchemistry09
03-24-2008, 04:00 PM
I think UofL will shut him down. No one knows how good he is if Pitino doesn't. I think it's almost fitting though they he plays what could possibly be his last game against UofL. Give pitino that much time to prepare and he can beat almost anyone.

Boise St. was supposed to be a great three point shooting team and UofL held them to 23%. Oklahoma was supposed to bang it inside with their two big men, those two finished with 10 points and 10 rebounds between them.

I don't think any of these teams has faced a defense like UofL's, including UT. I haven't watched Lofton alot, but what I have seen he seems like he's content to sit outside the three point line and launch it. Not much of a drive and disher. And I know he doesn't play very good defense.

The only thing that will stop UofL is UofL. If they play like they did against G-town and Pitt, UT will win. If they play like they did the first two games of the tournament, UofL will beat UT by double digits.

I wouldnt go that far. Lofton has faced every kind of defense and player during his four years. He hasnt been stopped too often. If he is on hell get his 25

4thecards
03-24-2008, 06:02 PM
His last four games he's gone for 9,5,25 and 10. I'm not saying he won't score, but it is going to be hard for him. IF...IF...UofL plays defense like they have the last two games.

teamchemistry09
03-24-2008, 09:14 PM
His last four games he's gone for 9,5,25 and 10. I'm not saying he won't score, but it is going to be hard for him. IF...IF...UofL plays defense like they have the last two games.

But dont you agree hell play with a chip on his shoulder against Pitino? Just like he did EVERY GAME against UK? Im expecting UofL to win but for Lofton to go for around 30

chworld22
03-24-2008, 09:25 PM
I think the key to UL beating UT is shutting down Lofton because their team goes as he goes. When UK beat them early in the conference season UK shut him down and they seemed to get bogged down and couldn't figure out what was going on. But Prince as since come on a little more and so as some of the other players. I could be a very very good game or UL could blow them out. I don't see UT blowing UL out though.

Radiated
03-24-2008, 09:40 PM
I think UofL will shut him down. No one knows how good he is if Pitino doesn't. I think it's almost fitting though they he plays what could possibly be his last game against UofL. Give pitino that much time to prepare and he can beat almost anyone.

Boise St. was supposed to be a great three point shooting team and UofL held them to 23%. Oklahoma was supposed to bang it inside with their two big men, those two finished with 10 points and 10 rebounds between them.

I don't think any of these teams has faced a defense like UofL's, including UT. I haven't watched Lofton alot, but what I have seen he seems like he's content to sit outside the three point line and launch it. Not much of a drive and disher. And I know he doesn't play very good defense.

The only thing that will stop UofL is UofL. If they play like they did against G-town and Pitt, UT will win. If they play like they did the first two games of the tournament, UofL will beat UT by double digits.

The one thing that I have noticed about Lfoton in the last year is that he will put the ball on the floor and drive. He likes the 3, but if he gets hot watch out. If he is cold, watch out as well, you know he will get his shots and some will fall.

PJ
03-24-2008, 10:25 PM
I think Smith will have to shut him down, but when Sosa is on him watch out, Lofton can shoot from anywhere on the court basically.

Yuleofell
03-25-2008, 05:11 AM
I think Smith will have to shut him down, but when Sosa is on him watch out, Lofton can shoot from anywhere on the court basically.

Lofton is going to become very acquainted with another Kentucky kid, Preston Knowles.

Rockober
03-25-2008, 07:09 AM
Lofton is going to become very acquainted with another Kentucky kid, Preston Knowles.

I saw Preston play live when his team played Mason County and came away impressed. The kid is talented. Lofton is a way better player imo but I think Louisville is right now the better team.

Louisville should dominate in the paint and having physical guards will make outside shots difficult for Tennessee.

jkeller
03-25-2008, 08:05 AM
Lofton is going to become very acquainted with another Kentucky kid, Preston Knowles.

Lofton would probably shoot it (and make it) with Knowles inside his shirt. If you've watched Lofton play you know he doesn't wait til he's wide open to hoist one because he never is. If he has an inch, he'll take it. And he's much better taking it to the basket than he was as a freshman.

PJ
03-25-2008, 08:41 AM
Lofton is going to become very acquainted with another Kentucky kid, Preston Knowles.

I like Knowles better simply cause I played with him the Lebron James Summer League two years ago. He's a great defender with crazy foot speed, but Lofton will be Lofton.

Radiated
03-25-2008, 09:00 AM
Just watching this tournament, there are a lot of great players that are from this state. And I don't think UK or Louisville recruited any of them.

TrueblueCATfan
03-25-2008, 09:25 AM
Yes like Rogers and Brazelton from WKU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO WKU!!!!!!!!!!!!

4thecards
03-25-2008, 12:25 PM
Here's an article about Lofton. Looks like Pitino did indeed recruit him.

http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080325/SPORTS0601/803250370/1002/SPORTS

catfan02
03-25-2008, 04:09 PM
Patrick Sparks, Rajon Rondo, Darius Miller and Scotty Hopson!!

PitinoLooksBetterInRed
03-26-2008, 12:57 AM
Patrick Sparks, Rajon Rondo, Darius Miller and Scotty Hopson!!

1) I dont blame Pitino for not recruiting Sparks. His best move was a pump-fake.
2) Rondo wasnt recruiting because we had Telfair. Rondo was one and done, and had it been today obviously Telfair would have done the same.
3) We'll see about Scotty. He certainly wouldnt log very many minutes here this next year.

catfan02
03-26-2008, 06:12 AM
was undefeated in his career vs. UL!! And he never went to the NIT while at UK!

PJ
03-26-2008, 06:58 AM
Actually, Rondo was offered a Scholly along with Telfair. Once Telfair went pro, Pitino yanked Rondo's scholly in hope to get a better shooting guard. I would've hate to seen Louisville with Rondo and Telfair...

chworld22
03-26-2008, 07:01 AM
1) I dont blame Pitino for not recruiting Sparks. His best move was a pump-fake.
2) Rondo wasnt recruiting because we had Telfair. Rondo was one and done, and had it been today obviously Telfair would have done the same.
3) We'll see about Scotty. He certainly wouldnt log very many minutes here this next year.

I think you are forgetting sparks many many threes he hit in his career at UK. Especially the one against MSU in the elite eight that sent it to double OT giving us a chance at another final four. I would say that was his best move. The pump fake in the the UL game just gave sweet satisfaction.

4thecards
03-26-2008, 07:40 AM
was undefeated in his career vs. UL!! And he never went to the NIT while at UK!

Did he ever flame out in the first round?

TrueblueCATfan
03-26-2008, 09:17 AM
Did he ever flame out in the first round?


no

teamchemistry09
03-26-2008, 09:51 AM
1) I dont blame Pitino for not recruiting Sparks. His best move was a pump-fake.
2) Rondo wasnt recruiting because we had Telfair. Rondo was one and done, and had it been today obviously Telfair would have done the same.
3) We'll see about Scotty. He certainly wouldnt log very many minutes here this next year.

1) His best move was a pump-fake, which, if memory serves correctly, drew a foul to beat uofl
2) Rondo was offered a scholly and was close to going to uofl. Thats actually where he wanted to go. But then Pitino went for Telfair. Didnt Rondo stay two years?
3) You cant say Hopson wouldnt get very many minutes next year with uofl. He could go in there and be better than Sosa Smith McGee and Knowles and be a starter. You never know until you get them on campus. Which is something the cards have no shot at doing

catfan02
03-26-2008, 10:17 AM
UL would know plenty about flaming out in the first round!!!

PitinoLooksBetterInRed
03-26-2008, 10:37 AM
1) His best move was a pump-fake, which, if memory serves correctly, drew a foul to beat uofl
2) Rondo was offered a scholly and was close to going to uofl. Thats actually where he wanted to go. But then Pitino went for Telfair. Didnt Rondo stay two years?
3) You cant say Hopson wouldnt get very many minutes next year with uofl. He could go in there and be better than Sosa Smith McGee and Knowles and be a starter. You never know until you get them on campus. Which is something the cards have no shot at doing

I think you can agree with me that the most pressing issue for next year is our bigs and recruiting two decent center options (samuels and jennings). Getting another guard would be great for the future but although our current guards arent great, they will be very experienced next year and we will do fine with them.

teamchemistry09
03-26-2008, 10:43 AM
I think you can agree with me that the most pressing issue for next year is our bigs and recruiting two decent center options (samuels and jennings). Getting another guard would be great for the future but although our current guards arent great, they will be very experienced next year and we will do fine with them.

You will do fine with them but I think you, and anyone for that matter, would agree with me that adding a AA guard would not hurt your team in any way

chworld22
03-26-2008, 02:39 PM
I think you can agree with me that the most pressing issue for next year is our bigs and recruiting two decent center options (samuels and jennings). Getting another guard would be great for the future but although our current guards arent great, they will be very experienced next year and we will do fine with them.

I would have to agree with you on that one. While Scotty is a great talent UL will be stacked at the guard and forward postion baring any players leaving. Hopson would probably be third (maybe second depending on how he pans out on the chart) at SF and SG.

chworld22
03-26-2008, 02:41 PM
You will do fine with them but I think you, and anyone for that matter, would agree with me that adding a AA guard would not hurt your team in any way

Although I agree with you for the most part a AA or any player for that matter that doesn't buy into the system can hurt your team (not saying Hopson just in general) see Legion this year.

teamchemistry09
03-26-2008, 02:55 PM
Although I agree with you for the most part a AA or any player for that matter that doesn't buy into the system can hurt your team (not saying Hopson just in general) see Legion this year.

Just ask them to leave or kick them off. See Dusty Mills and Derrick Caracter

chworld22
03-26-2008, 03:02 PM
Just ask them to leave or kick them off. See Dusty Mills and Derrick Caracter

Well that is easier said than done when it is a AA. Using your example of DC how many times has he gotten a second chance? If he was a player like Dusty Mills or even A.J. Stewart he would have been off that team so fast his head would spin.

Radiated
03-26-2008, 09:40 PM
How did Telfair work at at ul?

chworld22
03-26-2008, 10:30 PM
How did Telfair work at at ul?

He might be working there now but it is as a janitor.

CABVOL
03-27-2008, 08:15 AM
Lofton was recruited by UL when he was a soph. in high school, but UL pulled the scholly later.

As for him having a big game, in two or three games where he scored huge, UT lost this year. In some games where he didn't score much, UT won, ala Memphis. The Vols have more options than just Lofton now. IMO, Tyler Smith is is the key. He has come up HUGE in some big games, especially at the end of games.

TrueblueCATfan
03-27-2008, 08:32 PM
[quote=chworld22;433370]He might be working there now but it is as a janitor.[/quote

yeah whatever happened to him.....never hear his name anymore

surveyor
03-27-2008, 09:03 PM
yeah whatever happened to him.....never hear his name anymore

He's with the Timberwolves averaging nearly 10 pts per game this year.

TrueblueCATfan
03-27-2008, 09:06 PM
I only keep up with the Pistons or any other team with A former UK player since there are so many

4thecards
03-28-2008, 07:31 AM
He might be working there now but it is as a janitor.

He's averaging 9.3 points and 5.6 assist per game. How many janitors are doing that in the NBA?

By contrast, Rajon Rondo is averaging 10.6 and 5. I guess he's carrying a mop too.

4thecards
03-28-2008, 07:38 AM
Lofton was recruited by UL when he was a soph. in high school, but UL pulled the scholly later.

As for him having a big game, in two or three games where he scored huge, UT lost this year. In some games where he didn't score much, UT won, ala Memphis. The Vols have more options than just Lofton now. IMO, Tyler Smith is is the key. He has come up HUGE in some big games, especially at the end of games.


Wrong. UofL offered Lofton his Junior year and he didn't want to commit that early. Pitino moved on and signed Telfair. By the time UofL found out Telfair was going pro, Lofton had already signed with UT. FWIW, I work with a girl who grew up with Lofton and she said he was waiting for UK to offer. Of course Tubby never did, so he went to UT.

Lofton himself has said that he "could have kicked myself" for not taking the UofL scholly when it was offered. Whatever, it's all water under the bridge now, but he's going home and UofL will be playing at least one more game.

surveyor
03-28-2008, 08:48 AM
I only keep up with the Pistons or any other team with A former UK player since there are so many

Yet you asked.................:icon_lol:

CABVOL
03-28-2008, 09:41 AM
Wrong. UofL offered Lofton his Junior year and he didn't want to commit that early. Pitino moved on and signed Telfair. By the time UofL found out Telfair was going pro, Lofton had already signed with UT. FWIW, I work with a girl who grew up with Lofton and she said he was waiting for UK to offer. Of course Tubby never did, so he went to UT.

Lofton himself has said that he "could have kicked myself" for not taking the UofL scholly when it was offered. Whatever, it's all water under the bridge now, but he's going home and UofL will be playing at least one more game.

Well, according to what Lofton has been quoted as saying, he was recruited his soph. yr, and yes, was then offered by UL his junior yr, and yes, he has been quoted as stating he did regret not taking the scholly. But as you said, it is water under the bridge. That is life.

Good luck against UNC.

teamchemistry09
03-28-2008, 10:14 AM
He's averaging 9.3 points and 5.6 assist per game. How many janitors are doing that in the NBA?

By contrast, Rajon Rondo is averaging 10.6 and 5. I guess he's carrying a mop too.

But, by contrast, Rondo is on a winning team. Actually, the best team in the NBA. And he starts for them

chworld22
03-28-2008, 02:13 PM
He's averaging 9.3 points and 5.6 assist per game. How many janitors are doing that in the NBA?

By contrast, Rajon Rondo is averaging 10.6 and 5. I guess he's carrying a mop too.

Yea and Rondo is playing with KG, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allan and Telfair is playing with who? Exactly it is a little easier to put up numbers when you aren't playing with three all stars. I have seen Rondo on sportscenter several times and I have never seen Telifair on there.

4thecards
03-28-2008, 04:07 PM
Yea and Rondo is playing with KG, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allan and Telfair is playing with who? Exactly it is a little easier to put up numbers when you aren't playing with three all stars. I have seen Rondo on sportscenter several times and I have never seen Telifair on there.

So you're saying it's easier to get more assists when you are NOT playing with three All Stars? Because to me, it would seemed like playing with three guys who can score would be easier for a PG to get assists.

either way, I really couldn't care less about how either are doing.

chworld22
03-29-2008, 01:42 AM
So you're saying it's easier to get more assists when you are NOT playing with three All Stars? Because to me, it would seemed like playing with three guys who can score would be easier for a PG to get assists.

either way, I really couldn't care less about how either are doing.

Not necessarily since there are three all stars on your starting line up two of which are Guards/point forwards they take a lot of touches for assists as well as points away.

Besides the fact that I would say starting point for the best team in the East is a pretty good position. Compared to coming off the bench for whatever team he plays for.