Seth Davis reporting rumor of Okl Sate wanting Billy if Self turns them down

[ladycatfan01]

• On another Kansas-related note, I am still hearing that Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder is considering jettisoning Sean Sutton so he can make a run at Bill Self, an OSU alum. And if Holder can't get Self, word is he's deeply interested in Kentucky's Billy Gillispie. Why would Holder think he could pry away coaches from two of the most storied programs in college basketball history? Because he has Boone Pickens, the billionaire alumnus who donated $165 million to the Oklahoma State athletic department two years ago. I've heard some crazy contract figures being tossed around -- anywhere from 10 years, $30 million to five years, $20 million, which is tip money for Pickens -- but at the end of the day I have a hard time envisioning either Self or Gillispie leaving their current gigs. It would be a shame if Oklahoma State fired Sutton, who did a very respectable job this season under trying circumstances, all in a careless effort to buy a big-name coach who ends up turning them down.

If anyone is interested in the entire article
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/seth_davis/03/25/hoop.thoughts/

[BigBlue75]

Geez, louise, Does Coach Gillispie have to spell it out for these people? He just said in his last radio show that he wanted to be here as long as people wanted him here and he had no intention of leaving. That's just the umpteenth time he or our AD has addressed this issue.
I swear, I thnk some of these media people sit around all day and dream up these things just to get something started.

[surveyor]

Geez, louise, Does Coach Gillispie have to spell it out for these people? He just said in his last radio show that he wanted to be here as long as people wanted him here and he had no intention of leaving. That's just the umpteenth time he or our AD has addressed this issue.
I swear, I thnk some of these media people sit around all day and dream up these things just to get something started.

Sure, but coaches have spelt things out in more succinct terms and STILL turned around and left...............

That's why these type of rumors will always have legs.............

[Dwight Schrute]

Geez, louise, Does Coach Gillispie have to spell it out for these people? He just said in his last radio show that he wanted to be here as long as people wanted him here and he had no intention of leaving. That's just the umpteenth time he or our AD has addressed this issue.
I swear, I thnk some of these media people sit around all day and dream up these things just to get something started.

This is also the same guy who said Patrick Patterson was leaving to go pro after this year.

Seth Davis is a moron. You don't hire away a coach from a place like Kentucky (or Kansas, UNC, UCLA, Duke, etc.) unless you're an NBA team (Pitino) or that coach had one foot out the door to begin with (Tubby).

Still, Billy needs to get the contract signed, if for no other reason than to put an end to this kind of speculation.

[BigBlue75]

Sure, but coaches have spelt things out in more succinct terms and STILL turned around and left...............

That's why these type of rumors will always have legs.............

Good point. I guess we have Bobby Petrino and Nick Saban to thank for that. Just the nature of the beast, I suppose. :shrug1:

[ChattyKat]

Coach 'loves' UK

Amid speculation that Gillispie might leave, specifically to Oklahoma State, the UK coach repeatedly expressed his desire to stay at Kentucky.
"I hope they'll let me stay here a long time," he said before adding, "I love everything about it."
There is no opening at Oklahoma State, where ex-Cat Sean Sutton is currently coach.
Gillispie voiced only one complaint about his first season as UK coach. "The frustrating part was the injuries," he said. "Everything else was great."

http://www.kentucky.com/276/story/356394.html

[BowlingGreenUKGrad]

This is also the same guy who said Patrick Patterson was leaving to go pro after this year.

Seth Davis is a moron.

Actually, Seth Davis just said that Patrick Patterson was "weighing his options" about going pro after this year (which is probably true.) He did not report that Patterson was definitely leaving.

[AppyCat]

This coming from the guy who said at half-time "Bradley needs to pick it up in the second half for Kentucky to have a chance" after he was knocked out and concussed in the game at georgia.

[poodoo]

Sure, but coaches have spelt things out in more succinct terms and STILL turned around and left...............

That's why these type of rumors will always have legs.............

Unfortunately, you're right, surveyor. Yet, I think we have no reason whatsoever to worry. :icon_biggrin:

[JOHN BLUEBLOOD]

Going from UK to OSU would be like going from a Shelby Mustang Cobra to a Camaro or a Yugo.

[BigBlue75]

Going from UK to OSU would be like going from a Shelby Mustang Cobra to a Camaro or a Yugo.

As a former owner of two Camaros, I'm offended that you would mention a Yugo along side it in the same sentence. :icon_sad:

(Just kidding..I know what point you were trying to make. ;) )

[surveyor]

Unfortunately, you're right, surveyor. Yet, I think we have no reason whatsoever to worry. :icon_biggrin:

Oh, I agree. I can't imagine why Gillispie would want to leave us for Oklahoma NOW.

Give `im about 7 or 8 years of fickle, rabid call-in show fans..........:icon_lol: ;)

[Matt Dillon]

Still, Billy needs to get the contract signed, if for no other reason than to put an end to this kind of speculation.

A signed contract doesn't guarantee anything.

[surveyor]

A signed contract doesn't guarantee anything.

Yup!

`cept that it can be broken. That's about the only guarantee.:icon_lol:

[JWORLD]

As a former owner of two Camaros, I'm offended that you would mention a Yugo along side it in the same sentence. :icon_sad:

(Just kidding..I know what point you were trying to make. ;) )


I'll take it a step farther..........

BCG leaving Kentucky to go to OSU would be like getting rid of a C6 vette for a mustang cobra:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

If BCG did want to leave UK for OSU then i say don't let the door hit you were the sun don't shine...............He's not leaving UK for OSU......I think Gillispie is hear for the long haul:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[surveyor]

As a former owner of two Camaros, I'm offended that you would mention a Yugo along side it in the same sentence. :icon_sad:

(Just kidding..I know what point you were trying to make. ;) )

Yup, that Chevy and Yugo owners, like their cars, can only be pushed so far! :icon_lol:

[matt colvin]

Yup, that Chevy and Yugo owners, like their cars, can only be pushed so far! :icon_lol:

Jeez guys, take it easy on the bowtie-boys on this forum :icon_mrgreen:. I don't want the general associated with Boone Pickens' thoughts about buying our Coach, either :icon_lol:.

[surveyor]

......I think Gillispie is here for the long haul:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

That and "Chevy" can never be uttered in the same sentence. :icon_lol::beer: ;)

[matt colvin]

Besides, I thought we were the Rolls of college basketball???? :icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen:

All we need is a good detail-job, a little tune-up, and we'll be back :thumbup:

[BigBlue75]

That and "Chevy" can never be uttered in the same sentence. :icon_lol::beer: ;)

Must be a Ford owner.

[surveyor]

Must be a Ford owner.

Nope. Unfortunately an experienced Chevy driver (company trucks). :icon_lol:

[kyjones]

I could drive a Yugo for $30M!

[BigBlue75]

Nope. Unfortunately an experienced Chevy driver (company trucks). :icon_lol:

Well, I certainly can't argue with that, but I've owned nothing but Chevy/GM vehicles all my life and I can speak to their durability. I wouldn't have any knowledge of fleet vehicles and such.

[surveyor]

Well, I certainly can't argue with that, but I've owned nothing but Chevy/GM vehicles all my life and I can speak to their durability. I wouldn't have any knowledge of fleet vehicles and such.

Well, it's not a fleet vehicle. When it's time to go get a new vehicle I go pick out what I want or have the dealer order it if it's not in stock.

The reason we use GM is there's a dealership/service department within 2 miles (thank God!)

Of course, I'm ribbin' over my own experiences (I'd do the same with Fords).

I hadn't intended to veer us off into a car discussion.:icon_surprised:

[RCS]

The funny thing is the 10 year $30 million isn't a huge raise for BGC. He is making something like $2.3 million and can get more for bonuses and longevity. I think it would take more than that to get either of those guys away from where they are. You can never say never since there is a dollar figure that you simply can't refuse but I don't think they will get there or even close. I would think it would have to be north of 7 years and $4 million/year and I don't see anyone doing that.

[catsfan78]

Guys, lets not forget what the Chevrolet Corporation said about Adoph Rupp (on a previous thread) being a racist. Personally, I'll never drive a Chevrolet! I am presently driving a 1991 Mercedes Benz 300SL Roadster with 90,000+ miles, a 1999 Ford Explorer with 200,000 miles and a KENTUCKY BUILT 2007 Camry Hybrid (which, by the way, is awesome on gas--averaging over 40 miles on the open road). After what Chevrolet posted I will NEVER drive a Chevy!

[surveyor]

After what Chevrolet posted I will NEVER drive a Chevy!

Much less PUSH one..................

[jdeasy]

Much less PUSH one..................



Do you not find it odd that Ford's selling point now is that the two hooks on their trucks are so strong?

[pjquirk]

Guys, lets not forget what the Chevrolet Corporation said about Adoph Rupp (on a previous thread) being a racist. Personally, I'll never drive a Chevrolet! I am presently driving a 1991 Mercedes Benz 300SL Roadster with 90,000+ miles, a 1999 Ford Explorer with 200,000 miles and a KENTUCKY BUILT 2007 Camry Hybrid (which, by the way, is awesome on gas--averaging over 40 miles on the open road). After what Chevrolet posted I will NEVER drive a Chevy!

To get MORE off topic...getting 40 some miles to the gallon just doesn't impress me. I find it hard to believe that is the best we can do at this point.

[BigBlue75]

I hadn't intended to veer us off into a car discussion.:icon_surprised:

Me, either. My apologies to the original poster. :icon_redface:

[surveyor]

Me, either. My apologies to the original poster. :icon_redface:

But, on the PLUS side, I think we've basically put to death any idea that Gillispie would leave for Oklahoma. :icon_mrgreen:

[catszoom54]

But, on the PLUS side, I think we've basically put to death any idea that Gillispie would leave for Oklahoma. :icon_mrgreen:

I think that was the point:thumbup:

[JOHN BLUEBLOOD]

As a former owner of two Camaros, I'm offended that you would mention a Yugo along side it in the same sentence. :icon_sad:

(Just kidding..I know what point you were trying to make. ;) ) Now if you mention a Yenko Camaro, that's something different, those things tear up the ground. A Z06 would do the trick too.:icon_lol:

[JOHN BLUEBLOOD]

Do you not find it odd that Ford's selling point now is that the two hooks on their trucks are so strong? Yeah, but they've sold more of those F150's than any other vehicle for 31 years (you can't fool people 31 years in a row, you have to be doing something right).

Back to the topic if BCG thinks he can do more at OSU than UK, then he'll leave but this rumor doesn't seem to have any legs. I don't want to speculate on anything until it happens.

[jdeasy]

Yeah, but they've sold more of those F150's than any other vehicle for 31 years (you can't fool people 31 years in a row, you have to be doing something right).

Back to the topic if BCG thinks he can do more at OSU than UK, then he'll leave but this rumor doesn't seem to have any legs. I don't want to speculate on anything until it happens.



dukie v has been the voice of college basketball for most of those 31 years, so, yes, you can fool people for a long period of time regardless of the quality of the product.

[Kantukeeslim]

To get MORE off topic...getting 40 some miles to the gallon just doesn't impress me. I find it hard to believe that is the best we can do at this point.

You can blame Big Oil for that. Despite all the tech and safety advances of cars, fuel efficiency has only increased by roughly 10% in the last 40+ years.

Course I own a 1976 Mercedes 300d, which I converted to run on of biodiesel and straight veggie oil. And as soon as I build my grease filter system, I won't be paying a dime for even the veggie. Just going to the local restaurant and recycling their grease.

And it's eco-safe.

[ImForKy]

Must be a Ford owner.

If so, he has my sympathy. :icon_lol:

[KY Blue in Carolina]

If Self turns them down? They are delusional. That is unless they're talking about Fred Self.

[T75]

Geez, louise, Does Coach Gillispie have to spell it out for these people? He just said in his last radio show that he wanted to be here as long as people wanted him here and he had no intention of leaving. That's just the umpteenth time he or our AD has addressed this issue.
I swear, I thnk some of these media people sit around all day and dream up these things just to get something started.

I think this is almost an exact quote of what he also said at A&M--and that was home country!

[UFWildcat]

I'm having trouble understanding this.

How is Oklahoma St. in any position to be choosing top flight coaches? They'll take Gillispie if Self turns them down. What in the world are they thinking? I can go ahead and save them a lot of heart ache. Both of them are going to say NO! Kansas and UK are two of the greatest college b ball programs of all time. Oklahoma St. is not.

[countrycat]

I'm having trouble understanding this.

How is Oklahoma St. in any position to be choosing top flight coaches? They'll take Gillispie if Self turns them down. What in the world are they thinking? I can go ahead and save them a lot of heart ache. Both of them are going to say NO! Kansas and UK are two of the greatest college b ball programs of all time. Oklahoma St. is not.
Haven't you heard they are a national power. LOL :icon_mrgreen:

[matt colvin]

UFWildcat, they have a booster who is a billionaire, and they think they can just buy anybody. It sounds like they'll try to do just that, outbid everybody. I'm not worried at all.

[Kentuckyboy]

i think its the media that makes uk fans look so nuts... well we are nuts but they make us look really bad.. they put this stuff out, and it causes some fans to go into a frenzy. bcg is happy at uk, he is in the best college coaching position in the world and he knows it! during billy clydes era, we are going to go through this year in and year out till they (media) drive uk fans in the dirt. ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! billy will be here as long as we the fans want him here.... dont give up on this guy. he will bring us the excitement back, and its going to be soon....

go cats~

[countrycat]

I do believe BCG is going anywhere. I believe he loves it here becuse it is his dream job. I believe he has already given so much to UK and he knows the passion of the fans and although some are over the top, most just love UK and want championships.

[ontheroadto8]

UFWildcat, they have a booster who is a billionaire, and they think they can just buy anybody. It sounds like they'll try to do just that, outbid everybody. I'm not worried at all.

I am not worried either...it will take more than a few million dollars to get him out of Lexington. Perhaps 12-15 years and three or four titles...then the sweet life :shrug1: But not Okie State.

[cnice11]

I just think we need to iron out all the details in this contract and get BCG signed to a long term deal, so these rumors will go away. The contract thing is the only thing that has me worried right now. I really believe coach when he says he wants to be here.

[Dwight Schrute]

A signed contract doesn't guarantee anything.

Yes I'm aware of that, but it would put a stop to these media types speculating that he isn't happy here because "he hasn't even signed his contract."

[Mark Blueblood]

For the record - I do NOT think Billy will leave Kentucky for Oklahoma State.

BUT...every coach lauds his current job and the fact he'll be at it for as long as they'll have him, etc. and so on. (See Rick Pitino when at Kentucky. And we believed him as did Michael Bradley.) I don't put much stock in "coach speak". I mean, what's he gonna say - "I really like it here but I'm open to the next best offer"?

Oklahoma State does have some pretty decent basketball tradition (they revere Hank Iba like we do Rupp, and probably deservedly so) and lots of money to throw around. Probably a pretty darn attractive gig for somebody. Self and Gillespie? I doubt it - but stranger things have happened.

[NC Cat]

You'd have to be an idiot to leave Kansas or Kentucky for Oklahoma State. Unless you're about to be fired at KU of UK it would be a career killer. Careers don't go backwards unless you're in over your head, and neither Self nor Gillispie fit that description. Seth Davis is a moron.

[TransientAlum]

You'd have to be an idiot to leave Kansas or Kentucky for Oklahoma State. Unless you're about to be fired at KU of UK it would be a career killer. Careers don't go backwards unless you're in over your head, and neither Self nor Gillispie fit that description. Seth Davis is a moron.

Na, just writing something to get readers and stir the pot. Want a lot of hits? Write something bad about Kansas AND Kentucky basketball. Seems he is very good at his job.

[Ukosumu]

Na, just writing something to get readers and stir the pot. Want a lot of hits? Write something bad about Kansas AND Kentucky basketball. Seems he is very good at his job.

Very good observation.:thumbup:

[BALou]

I've seen a news magazine profile of the Okie St. billionaire. I don't remember his name and I'm not interested enough to look him up. He's a very close personal friend of Jerry Jones and they seem like two peas in a pod. Their motto seems to be that if you throw enough money at a sports team that it will guarantee you championships. It's one thing for Jones to do it with his pro team, but the other guy doesn't seem to recognize that OK St. is still primarily an academic institution. Half of the OK St. campus seems to be named after him, but the more he does the more controversy he seems to draw to the university, and especially from academia. His first focus was the football team. Remind me again what conference has won the last three national championships? When it comes to sports, and especially collegiate sports, money may smooth the path to success, but it doesn't guarantee a darn thing.

It's one thing to be pressured by the passion and expectations of fans that share your passion for basketball. It's another thing to be pressured by an aging billionaire who seems to be controlling the athletic department through his wealth and who wants to bring championships to his alma mater so he can fill up some empty trophy cases. OK St. where most of the fan support is primarily interested in the football program, but even that fan support has been on the wane in the last five years. :shrug1: