Flemings close to a commitment?

[matt colvin]

UK close to a commitment?

The University of Kentucky appears to be closing in on another commitment, this one from Weatherford (Texas) College swingman Roderick Flemings.

The 6-foot-7, 220-pound Flemings has visited Hawaii recently and has narrowed his decision to the Rainbows and Kentucky. His coach, Mark Osina, has a thought on his pick.

"To me, it looks like Kentucky," Osina just told me in a phone interview. "He's going to make a visit but I don't think anything is set up yet. We have our banquet Friday night, so I asked him to wait until after then."

Osina said UK coach Billy Gillispie made a visit to the school on Wednesday night.

Flemings was a first-team All-American on the junior college level this season. He was the school's first player to make first-team honors after averaging 20.8 points, 11.8 rebounds, 3.4 assists, 2.7 steals and 1.6 blocked shots this past season.

http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/demling/blog.html

[matt colvin]

I'll add this to the pre-existing thread after while, just so you know where it went.

Looks GREAT for the Cats. The much needed extra scorer to compliment Jodie! Come on BCG!

[Will Lavender]

Awesome!

Flemings will be a BIG get if it turns out that way. Guy told the Rivals reporters recently that NBA teams were interested in him. From everything I've read, he has the potential to start from day one.

But you would have to think that this doesn't help with Ater Majok. (I think he was going UCONN all the way, but still...)

[Blue_N_White]

I'll add this to the pre-existing thread after while, just so you know where it went.

Looks GREAT for the Cats. The much needed extra scorer to compliment Jodie! Come on BCG!

Actually...Jodie probably becomes the THIRD option...behind Patterson and Flemings.

But I could see Flemings stepping in this year and starting at SF. If Harrellson signs, I could see him stepping in and starting at C. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a starting lineup of Harrellson - C, Patterson - PF, Flemings - SF, Meeks - SG, Galloway - PG. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Fleminsg be the leading scorer...or at least running neck and neck with Patterson...both averaging in the 16-18 range.....

And I agree, Will....I think Majok is UCONN bound. But Flemings AND Harrellson probably more than makes up for Majok.

I'm liking this ("POTENTIAL") signing more and more...the more and more I think about it.....

[matt colvin]

Will, I see Majok as a college 4 and Flemings as a 3 or 2. That's just me though. Majok will have to learn some inside moves to maximize his potential imo.

[matt colvin]

Actually...Jodie probably becomes the THIRD option...behind Patterson and Flemings.




:icon_mrgreen:. Mr. Meeks might have a little to say about that! :widcat:

The great thing is I'm becoming confident that this class will end up being a VERY good one before it's over. I don't know who will be on our team or how they will be utilized, but we will have much less drop off in talent when we look to our bench.

[Will Lavender]

Will, I see Majok as a college 4 and Flemings as a 3 or 2. That's just me though. Majok will have to learn some inside moves to maximize his potential imo.

You're right. I've got it in my mind that Flemings is a 4 for some reason...

I don't think it's going to happen, but what a class McCoy (or the Serbian guy, or Harrelson, or Sutton)/Flemings/Majok/Galloway/Miller/Liggins would be. Wow! To dream...

[Blue_N_White]

You're right. I've got it in my mind that Flemings is a 4 for some reason...

I don't think it's going to happen, but what a class McCoy (or the Serbian guy, or Harrelson, or Sutton)/Flemings/Majok/Galloway/Miller/Liggins would be. Wow! To dream...

I think if you sub in Harrellson for Majok...making it McCoy/Harrelson//Flemings/Galloway/Miller/Liggins...it just might become a strong possibility. I'd love to add Majok, and would like to find a way to add Sutton as well...but I'd be pretty happy and fine if the Cats were able to just land the aforementioned 6......

[matt colvin]

You're right. I've got it in my mind that Flemings is a 4 for some reason...

I don't think it's going to happen, but what a class McCoy (or the Serbian guy, or Harrelson, or Sutton)/Flemings/Majok/Galloway/Miller/Liggins would be. Wow! To dream...


:icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen: Who's Hopson??? Who's Singleton????

I highly doubt it will happen. But that class minus Majok seems very possible!

[VirginiaBlue]

I would put Hawaii on my list just for the visit...

[Will Lavender]

:icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen: Who's Hopson??? Who's Singleton????

I highly doubt it will happen. But that class minus Majok seems very possible!

I agree. Majok, though, is huge in this imagined equation. He would single-handedly take the class from top 15 or so to top 5 without question.

A top 15 guy (Majok), a top 30 guy (Liggins), a top 40 guy (Miller), three potential top JUCO guys (Flemings, Galloway, Harrelson).

Can you say HAUL?

[matt colvin]

Not just top juco's--- elite juco's. Flemings was #26 (1 shy of 5 star), and Galloway was a solid 4 star guy coming out of high-school. Harrelson was a 3 star, but has apparently been better than advertised. Two 4 stars with great experience (2 years on good-great teams). 1 big guy who apparently knows how to play within his abilities and has 3 years of eligibility left= Excellent!

[Blue_N_White]

Not just top juco's--- elite juco's. Flemings was #26 (1 shy of 5 star), and Galloway was a solid 4 star guy coming out of high-school. Harrelson was a 3 star, but has apparently been better than advertised. Two 4 stars with great experience (2 years on good-great teams). 1 big guy who apparently knows how to play within his abilities and has 3 years of eligibility left= Excellent!

DITTO! :thumbup: :icon_mrgreen:

For JUCOS....that is outstanding! And add Liggins, Miller, and possibly McCoy (and even Sutton)....and I won't really be all that disappointed if Majok signs with UCONN. Would absolutely LOVE for him to sign with UK...but I'd be OK if the Cats just land the others in the equation.....

[bigblue23]

You're right. I've got it in my mind that Flemings is a 4 for some reason...

I don't think it's going to happen, but what a class McCoy (or the Serbian guy, or Harrelson, or Sutton)/Flemings/Majok/Galloway/Miller/Liggins would be. Wow! To dream...

You have in your mind that Flemings is a 4? What in the bloody hell is wrong with you lol?

[Ukosumu]

I would put Hawaii on my list just for the visit...
I totally agree. If I was being recruited by Hawaii, I would definitely schedule a visit.:big_grin:

[Will Lavender]

You have in your mind that Flemings is a 4? What in the bloody hell is wrong with you lol?

In my day, most 6'7" guys played the 4. : )

[poodoo]

Thanks for the link, Matt. Too, I LIKE what I'm reading. :icon_biggrin:

[Blue_N_White]

In my day, most 6'7" guys played the 4. : )


http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/en_easyart/lg/7/1/The-Simpsons---D-oh--Mini-Posters-71133.jpg



Dating yourself just a tad there, Will :icon_lol:

[Will Lavender]

Dating yourself just a tad there, Will :icon_lol:

I'm 31! :icon_lol:

To be fair, the game has changed pretty radically since I played. I remember seeing a big guy shoot threes once in a camp and everyone there was stunned into silence.

[Marine_UK_Fan]

It's just a little unnerving to be going hard after two guys that have question marks when it comes to qualifying. It seems as though BCG has all his bases covered, but there are still a lot of unknowns out there. That being said, I'm surely one of the ones that is extremely excited about the direction our recruiting has gone in the last 13 months!! :thumbup:

[I. Melvin]

Will dated himself quite often.

[matt colvin]

It's just a little unnerving to be going hard after two guys that have question marks when it comes to qualifying. It seems as though BCG has all his bases covered, but there are still a lot of unknowns out there.

I've shared that concern at times, but I just remind myself that he was in the JUCO ranks at one time too. He knows what he's doing better than many with regard to that level.

[Blue_N_White]

I'm 31! :icon_lol:

To be fair, the game has changed pretty radically since I played. I remember seeing a big guy shoot threes once in a camp and everyone there was stunned into silence.

Alright, young 'un....I've got about 10 years on ya...so don't feel bad.... ;) :icon_lol:

I remember the days when Kentucky lined up 6'10" Mike Phillips at Center, and had 6'11" Rick Robey next to him at PF. And 6'11"" Melvin Turpin at C, and 7'1" Sam Bowie alongside him at PF. The Phillips/Robey team won it all ('78), and the Turpin/Bowie team made the Final Four ('84).

It's always nice to have big guys and depth in the frontcourt...because of the teams Kentucky will be matched up against...and for the purpose of "additional fouls to give". And that's one reason why I've really been wanting TWO big guys signed this off-season. I think Harrellson and Sutton would compliment each other really well (one the banger who can body up , be a low post scorer and board well, with the other being a little longer with a little leaping ability who could be a defensive presence and shot blocker)....

[crazzedcats22]

This would be a great get IMO. He seems like he would be ready to come in on day one and put the ball in the basket!

[RCS]

Even today most guys 6'7" play center in HS unless they are on an elite team. I knew guys that were 6'2-6'3" that played PF not just in HS but at Div III college teams. I am only 30 so we are not talking about way in the past. The Euros with all of their 6'7"-7' guys who could shoot have really changed the game. There are way less back to the basket guys any more.

[Blue 24/7]

Will dated himself quite often.

:eek: LMAO!!!! Not that there's anything wrong with that!!! :)

[Will Lavender]

:eek: LMAO!!!! Not that there's anything wrong with that!!! :)

Dang right. She did have some fine-looking sisters...

[bluecat406]

I think if you sub in Harrellson for Majok...making it McCoy/Harrelson//Flemings/Galloway/Miller/Liggins...it just might become a strong possibility. I'd love to add Majok, and would like to find a way to add Sutton as well...but I'd be pretty happy and fine if the Cats were able to just land the aforementioned 6......

This is how I see it. Man what a class that would be. It would have to rank in the top ten.

[CatsFanatic]

I know all of the hype surrounding Flemings is good, but we can't put as much confidence in him as we are. Doesn't anyone remember Antwone Barbour?

[Will Lavender]

I know all of the hype surrounding Flemings is good, but we can't put as much confidence in him as we are. Doesn't anyone remember Antwone Barbour?

I'd take Antwain Barbour back on this team in a second. He came in way overhyped, as almost every UK recruit does, but he had a solid career. Guy was an animal on defense. If Flemings can come in and give us the versatility and hard work that Barbour did, he'll be a good signee for Gillispie.

[matt colvin]

I know all of the hype surrounding Flemings is good, but we can't put as much confidence in him as we are. Doesn't anyone remember Antwone Barbour?

Remember his injuries? Barbour needed health to have an opportunity to get in some semblance of a rhythm.

[Will Lavender]

I know all of the hype surrounding Flemings is good, but we can't put as much confidence in him as we are. Doesn't anyone remember Antwone Barbour?

Also.

I remember Dale Brown.

And, more recently, Sonny Weems.

And Georgia's Takais Brown.

And Mykal Riley for 'Bama.

And Kenny Williams for Ole Miss.

And Michael Taylor for Iowa State.

And the Batista kid for Gonzaga a couple of years ago.

Just because a player is a junior college transfer doesn't put him in a mold with every other JUCO transfer. Each kid is different; each kid brings different talents, skills, needs. I don't think we should just lump them all together.

[bluecat406]

I know all of the hype surrounding Flemings is good, but we can't put as much confidence in him as we are. Doesn't anyone remember Antwone Barbour?
Barbour definately missed on some of his potential, however, I really like the way BCG developes players.

I think he will unlock every little thread of potential in Flemmings (which sounds like it could be a lot).:shock:

[CatsFanatic]

Also.

I remember Dale Brown.

And, more recently, Sonny Weems.

And Georgia's Takais Brown.

And Mykal Riley for 'Bama.

And Kenny Williams for Ole Miss.

And Michael Taylor for Iowa State.

And the Batista kid for Gonzaga a couple of years ago.

Just because a player is a junior college transfer doesn't put him in a mold with every other JUCO transfer. Each kid is different; each kid brings different talents, skills, needs. I don't think we should just lump them all together.

I'm talking about recent UK players. I'm not saying he won't live up to the hype, and I hope he does as much as anyone. But, for instance, I saw where someone said they could see Flemings averaging 18 ppg. next season. We shouldn't expect that type of production right off. As UK fans, we have a problem with demanding perfection. It can be good, but it can also be bad.

[Blue_N_White]

I'm talking about recent UK players. I'm not saying he won't live up to the hype, and I hope he does as much as anyone. But, for instance, I saw where someone said they could see Flemings averaging 18 ppg. next season. We shouldn't expect that type of production right off. As UK fans, we have a problem with demanding perfection. It can be good, but it can also be bad.

That was me. I said I wouldn't be surprised to see him averaged between 16 and 18. And that's because I remember Heshimu Evans....a Junior College transfer that averaged around 13 PPG for Manhattan, and transfered to Kentucky where he averaged close to 12 PPG. And Evans came to a Kentucky team loaded with more talent than the current Cats, and came in with less of a "scorer" rep. And Flemings has more talent from an offensive standpoint than Heshimu had. Flemings averaged 21 PPG last year at Weatherford, and he would be coming to a much better situation for a scorer to come to than what Evans did.

Another thing to consider...is that Flemings would be a senior, if he had entered college straight out of high school (class of '05). But since he sat out a year, and spent two years in a JUCO....he'll officially be a Junior. So if anyone is "ready" to step right in and deliver from day 1, he would be the ideal candidate for that.

Obviously none of us have a crystal ball to see the future. And Flemings COULD be a bit of a bust....or he COULD be a bit of a goldmine. But considering his talent coming out of high school, how well he has played in JUCO, and the situation he'd be entering at UK....and I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see him be right there in the scoring mix along with Patterson and Meeks. I wouldn't be surprised to see all three average somewhere between 12 PPG (low end) and 18 PPG (high end)......

[bluecat406]

Per Matt Jones (via a Jody Demling report) a committment from Flemmings seems very close for THE CATS!

I really hope he qualifies.

Here is a link to Jody's article:
http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/demling/blog.html

[DTBrand]

I feel a number 8 recruiting class coming on. Could be wrong but that's what I think.

[westtncat]

:icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen: Who's Hopson??? Who's Singleton????

I highly doubt it will happen. But that class minus Majok seems very possible!
I hope Hopson isnt another Chris Lofton thorn in our side. I hope we dont hear his name much anymore.

[matt colvin]

http://www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Team/TeamPage.aspx?association=16&sg=MBB&sea=JTXMBB_2007&team=8177

[JOHN BLUEBLOOD]

:icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen: Who's Hopson??? Who's Singleton????

I highly doubt it will happen. But that class minus Majok seems very possible!
That's an excellent point, I've read too many negative comments and "jumping of the bridge" comments from posters on alot of sites about "who got away". I've got a feeling when the '08 recruiting class is over, we will be relishing "who we got" instead. :thumbup:

[ukbob]

This is big, if he qualifies.

Add Fleming, Harrelson and the big Serb(Nicole Kidman or whatever his name is ) along with Galloway, Miller and Liggins......and this is a class that can contend next year if they catch on to the system, IMO.

[JOHN BLUEBLOOD]

One thing about Flemings, I don't read on here much, is the fact that he's a "lefty". Lefties can be tough to guard.

[Blue_N_White]

This is big, if he qualifies.

Add Fleming, Harrelson and the big Serb(Nicole Kidman or whatever his name is ) along with Galloway, Miller and Liggins......and this is a class that can contend next year if they catch on to the system, IMO.

Just curious...but what is the attraction to Kecman? Is it simply because Gillispie is interested and supposedly offered him a scholarship? Because while I can see the interest in Harrellson and Flemings (and McCoy, if/once Jasper leaves)...honestly, I fail to see it in Kecman, a guy nobody really knows anything about. At least with Maurice Sutton...he's a low post, big man/rebounder/shot blocker, who I've seen play (and therefore have an idea about his game, strengths, weaknesses, etc.). But Kecman is a perimeter oriented 6'9" player in the traditional European mode....who wouldn't appear to offer much help down low to Patterson and company (i.e. - UK already has thin low post/frontcourt depth).....

[ukbob]

Just curious...but what is the attraction to Kecman? Is it simply because Gillispie is interested and supposedly offered him a scholarship? Because while I can see the interest in Harrellson and Flemings (and McCoy, if/once Jasper leaves)...honestly, I fail to see it in Kecman, a guy nobody really knows anything about. At least with Maurice Sutton...he's a low post, big man/rebounder/shot blocker, who I've seen play (and therefore have an idea about his game, strengths, weaknesses, etc.). But Kecman is a perimeter oriented 6'9" player in the traditional European mode....who wouldn't appear to offer much help down low to Patterson and company (i.e. - UK already has thin low post/frontcourt depth).....

He is a shooter and we need shooters. Add him with the likes of Majok or Harrelson and you have a good combo. I think he is the supplement to one of the big guy recruits.

Give me a fundamentally sound Euro player that can fill it up from deep any day.

[leroybyrd]

He is a shooter and we need shooters. Add him with the likes of Majok or Harrelson and you have a good combo. I think he is the supplement to one of the big guy recruits.

Give me a fundamentally sound Euro player that can fill it up from deep any day.

Exactly. He shot almost 60% from the field and 46% from three last year at 6'9''.

Think about Billy's system. Lots of high screens from the 4 and 5. Imagine a guy like Kecman who can come out and consistently knock down the three on the give back. Deadly for opposing coaches to matchup with.

Kecman would provide solid depth inside and a different look to the opposition. Makes us tougher to guard which is always a good thing. We are already pretty solid defensively, Billy is clearly looking for offense.

[Bleedblue1983]

I personally don't know what to think, I think we'll have a great team next year if we can keep from being injured again. I would like to see some size (Harrellson which I think he'll come to UK, Mjok or Sutton), but I also like the system BCG is setting up. McCoy to replace jasper if he leaves even though I have always liked Jasper. Flemmings I think would be a great fit if he can qualify. The only thing i'm worried about is the players that were signed under Tubby that are dead weight.

[pattyflattie]

I personally don't know what to think, I think we'll have a great team next year if we can keep from being injured again. I would like to see some size (Harrellson which I think he'll come to UK, Mjok or Sutton), but I also like the system BCG is setting up. McCoy to replace jasper if he leaves even though I have always liked Jasper. Flemmings I think would be a great fit if he can qualify. The only thing i'm worried about is the players that were signed under Tubby that are dead weight.


I know what you mean... Meeks, Jasper and Stevenson are really holding us down.:icon_rolleyes:

[UKBOO]

Will dated himself quite often.

:icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol:

And what guy on here hasn't???? :shrug1:

[UKBOO]

Exactly. He shot almost 60% from the field and 46% from three last year at 6'9''.

Think about Billy's system. Lots of high screens from the 4 and 5. Imagine a guy like Kecman who can come out and consistently knock down the three on the give back. Deadly for opposing coaches to matchup with.

Kecman would provide solid depth inside and a different look to the opposition. Makes us tougher to guard which is always a good thing. We are already pretty solid defensively, Billy is clearly looking for offense.

A 6'9" guy that bombs can destroy a zone.

[Will Lavender]

Just curious...but what is the attraction to Kecman? Is it simply because Gillispie is interested and supposedly offered him a scholarship?

Shouldn't that be enough?

We never see these players, or if we do see them it's one time in an all-star game somewhere. Gillispie sees them, his assistants see them, he gets reports on them. Why shouldn't we trust him?

I see a lot of this kind of thing on message boards. See it every day in fact. Guys saying, "I don't understand the infatuation with ________. He's terrible!"

I don't think folks understand how short-sighted that is. Basically what you're saying is that you don't trust Billy Gillispie to do his job.

[RaleighCat]

Shouldn't that be enough?

We never see these players, or if we do see them it's one time in an all-star game somewhere. Gillispie sees them, his assistants see them, he gets reports on them. Why shouldn't we trust him?

I see a lot of this kind of thing on message boards. See it every day in fact. Guys saying, "I don't understand the infatuation with ________. He's terrible!"

I don't think folks understand how short-sighted that is. Basically what you're saying is that you don't trust Billy Gillispie to do his job.

Well, we have been burned before Will. Shag and Mike Williams come to mind. Just because you're (1) Big and (2) Being recruited by Kentucky doesn't make you a real player.

I think that's going to change with BCG, but I can see how some folks are skeptical.

[DonnieKat]

Well, we have been burned before Will. Shag and Mike Williams come to mind. Just because you're (1) Big and (2) Being recruited by Kentucky doesn't make you a real player.

I think that's going to change with BCG, but I can see how some folks are skeptical.

I would say I agree with you 99.9% of this time RaleighCat but I disagree on this one. Different regime. I trusted Tubby wholeheartedly during his early years. Erik Daniels recruited as a point guard? Sounds good to me. Cliff Hawkins is committed to New Mexico and we want him? No problems here. Tubby, in the early years, had a track record of taking under-the-radar guys and making them players. Really good players. It was only towards the end of his tenure that he started to dig too far under the radar. Adam Williams, Mike Willams, Shagari Alleyne, Woo....there were just too many projects at once.
Right now, Billy Gillispie hasn't done one thing recruiting-wise to warrant skepticisim. Until we see a pattern of errors or mistakes, there's no reason to question his recruiting. BCG has backup plans for his backup plan. We're gonna be just fine no matter who we sign.

[UKBOO]

http://www.kentucky.com/276/story/386562.html

Kentucky leads for junior college star Roderick Flemings, the player’s coach said on Thursday.
Flemings, a junior college All-American for Weatherford (Texas) College, met with UK Coach Billy Gillispie on Wednesday night.
“It went pretty well,” Weatherford Coach Mark Osina said. “The kid seems pretty excited.”
Flemings visited Hawaii last weekend and plans to visit UK. That date has not been set, Osina said.
When asked if Kentucky should be considered the favorite for Flemings, Osina said, “That’s what I think.
“It’d be hard to turn down.”
Flemings, a 6-foot-7 wing, averaged a double-double this past season: 20.6 points and 11.7 rebounds.

[Will Lavender]

Well, we have been burned before Will. Shag and Mike Williams come to mind. Just because you're (1) Big and (2) Being recruited by Kentucky doesn't make you a real player.

I think that's going to change with BCG, but I can see how some folks are skeptical.

Yeah, that's the thing. It's a different era with Gillispie.

[Dawood Khan]

I know what you mean... Meeks, Jasper and Stevenson are really holding us down.:icon_rolleyes:

Why the need to fight. Either you have a comprehension problem or you are being deliberately obtuse in defense of Smith.

Smith is the Coach at UM. He's as fair game for criticism as was/is Pitino.

Give it a rest. Smith moved on. You should as well.

[RaleighCat]

Yeah, that's the thing. It's a different era with Gillispie.

I agree completely, but I can see how some folks might be hard to convince. I trust BCG completely on this personally.

[UKBOO]

I agree completely, but I can see how some folks might be hard to convince. I trust BCG completely on this personally.

I do too. He has to prove he isn't capable. Getting Patterson went a long way with me. Duke honestly felt like they had him totally wrapped up. I think if Coach REALLY wants someone, he will get them.

[leroybyrd]

I think if Coach REALLY wants someone, he will get them.

Billy REALLY wants Majok, so we'll see if you are right.

[Dawood Khan]

I hope he's correct.

Come on to Kentucky Majok!

[matt colvin]

So much for this :icon_redface:

[Ukosumu]

So much for this :icon_redface:
Ouch! Sandy beaches over the Bluegrass. Who woulda thunk it?:shrug1:
http://www.wildcatnation.net/forum/showthread.php?p=448670#post448670

[Blue_N_White]

In Hawaii...he gets to come in and be as selfish as he wants to be, and not have to bust his chops and play "team oriented" ball. He's only interested in showcasing his stuff for the NBA, and in putting up numbers. Sounds like he's simply another Scotty Hopson. Flemings talks about "leading Hawaii to an NCAA tournament appearance"...yeah, right. Good luck with that. I think we all know the TRUE motivation here......

[Matt Dillon]

In Hawaii...he gets to come in and be as selfish as he wants to be, and not have to bust his chops and play "team oriented" ball. He's only interested in showcasing his stuff for the NBA, and in putting up numbers. Sounds like he's simply another Scotty Hopson. Flemings talks about "leading Hawaii to an NCAA tournament appearance"...yeah, right. Good luck with that. I think we all know the TRUE motivation here......

Did you ever stop and think it might have something to do with the fantastic year around weather there? Who knows perhaps he plans to live there someday.

[ChattyKat]

Did you ever stop and think it might have something to do with the fantastic year around weather there? Who knows perhaps he plans to live there someday.

Perhaps it has something to do with qualifying too.:icon_idea: I'm not sure UK offered a scholarship from the sounds of it.

[Matt Dillon]

Perhaps it has something to do with qualifying too.:icon_idea: I'm not sure UK offered a scholarship from the sounds of it.

You're right about that CK. That was probably the main reason.

[apman]

What it tells me is, you can't hang your hats on what these players coaches feed the media. The way it had sounded to me is, flemmings was so excited about the oportunity to be here, that he might commit on his visit.
Nieve of me I know, but I had already pensiled him in.

My next 2 targets (must gets) are Harrelson and Macoy. I hope we hear something soon, but I'm growing restless.

[Blue_N_White]

Perhaps it has something to do with qualifying too. I'm not sure UK offered a scholarship from the sounds of it.


I think you're exactly right regarding qualifying, ChattyKat. From the sound of things, Hawaii may have been the only school where there was a mutual interest where he could qualify. Very good point :thumbup:

[ImForKy]

I think you're exactly right regarding qualifying, ChattyKat. From the sound of things, Hawaii may have been the only school where there was a mutual interest where he could qualify. Very good point :thumbup:

Why would he qualify at Hawaii and not UK? :confused:

[matt colvin]

^^ Apparently easier to get into, and Hawaii has a rep for "helping" people become eligible.

[BlueBloodCatFan]

Rumor is that he needed 21 hours during the summer semester to qualify....I think Coach went to see him read his transcripts, talked with his academic advisors and decided we would not be able to get him eligible, therefore didn't offer and the next day he verbals to Hawaii because they advised Flemings they could "help him" qualify. So if all this transpired, How in the world did we lose someone we didn't offer?Perhaps it has something to do with qualifying too.:icon_idea: I'm not sure UK offered a scholarship from the sounds of it.

[Will Lavender]

Rumor is that he needed 21 hours during the summer semester to qualify....I think Coach went to see him read his transcripts, talked with his academic advisors and decided we would not be able to get him eligible, therefore didn't offer and the next day he verbals to Hawaii because they advised Flemings they could "help him" qualify. So if all this transpired, How in the world did we lose someone we didn't offer?

Well, Larry's theory above is interesting.

I personally think there was an offer, but I bet it was conditional.

Or, heck, he might have simply chosen Hawaii. Some of these kids, as much as we hate to admit it, don't want the pressure of playing in this fishbowl.

[BlueBloodCatFan]

That well could be true..just passing on the info that I read that seemed the most logical.Well, Larry's theory above is interesting.

I personally think there was an offer, but I bet it was conditional.

Or, heck, he might have simply chosen Hawaii. Some of these kids, as much as we hate to admit it, don't want the pressure of playing in this fishbowl.

[poodoo]

Well, Larry's theory above is interesting.

I personally think there was an offer, but I bet it was conditional.

Or, heck, he might have simply chosen Hawaii. Some of these kids, as much as we hate to admit it, don't want the pressure of playing in this fishbowl.

Good post, Will. Too, as you imply, none of us KNOW what transpired. Every recruit we want is not going to pick Kentucky. As someone posted in a thread somewhere, kids today don't seem to place as much emphasis on a school's tradition, for example. For various reasons, a player can choose not to accept an offer from UK. Yes, Flemings MIGHT not have wanted to play "in this fishbowl." Too, yes, it COULD have been a conditional offer (if there was an offer, and Matt Jones says that UK really wanted Flemings, FWIW).

None of it matters, though. It's on to the NEXT recruit. As I've said umpteen times, I feel sure Coach Gillispie is working hard. That is all we can ask. Let's give him time.