Woodson: Any guess...

[Blue_N_White]

Anyone like to take a guess when and where Andre Woodson will go in today's NFL draft?

I'm guessing late second round...pick # 26 in the second....to Miami - to compete with John Beck for the starting QB spot and be a quality backup, if Beck wins the job......

[Blue_N_White]

If Brohm keeps falling and is there to start the second, Miami could use their first second round pick (2:1) to select Brohm...meaning they wouldn't take Woodson with their second round 2 pick....

[Blue_N_White]

Strange draft so far. It's looking more and more like Andre might even be a third (and possibly even fourth) rounder :eek:

[thetonytrain]

I am honestly starting to feel bad for Brohm and Henne since they keep showing them on tv, and I hate (I know that is a strong word) U of L! That still stinks for those kids to sit there like that, hopefully they and Andre will go soon. It looks like it will be 3rd or 4th for Andre though.

[Matt Dillon]

I notice that the Ravens took the qb from Del. Wonder why they didn't take Brohm, Henne or Andre?

[jkeller]

After 30 picks of the talking heads predicting it would be Brohm, Brohm finally gets drafted by Green Bay. I was getting tired of all the gushing.

Now Henne's off the board to Miami. They can finally stop obsessing over those two.

[I REP NY 91]

Better luck tomorrow Andre!!!


:thumbup:

[SBCatMan]

Andre will not slip past the Bears' next pick.

[BOURBON TOWN CAT FAN]

Brohm couldn't have gone to a better setting for him. I've always liked Green Bay and Favre, might eventually be a Brohm fan once I forget he played for UL after a few years.

[TrueblueCATfan]

I thought all the bird fans said Brohm was top 10..he was 56:shrug1:

[billoliver40]

Woodson in round 3
Burton in round 3
Tamme in round 4
Woodyard in round 4
Stevie Johnson undrafted free agent
Raphael Little undrafted free agent

Just the way things seem to be going in this one.

[johnkyblue]

I don't get it, I don't get it at all.

[Matt Dillon]

I don't get it, I don't get it at all.

Me either. Two rounds completed and guys like Wesley, Andre and Jacob still undrafted.

[BlueBalls]

As for Woodson......besides that little hitch in his motion, (pro scouts, not me saying it), it has been rumored that he did not do well on the interview questions and exams they give at the combines.
We shall see what today holds.....Questions about Woodyard's size,.....I don't get that at all. Wesley is gonna be a big time NFL linebacker, in my opinion.
Just good luck to all the UKers today and the future.

[poodoo]

Larry Vaught just shared what some scouts have said to him. It is not so good for UK's players. Having said that, I don't trust the scouts to be right. I certainly do NOT agree with them.

Based on what he has heard, he would not be surprised if no cats were taken before the fourt round, although he thinks Andre or Keenan COULD be taken in the third round. He actually said he would not be surprised if Keenan went before Andre. He's hearing that teams are indeed concerned about that "hitch" in his delivery and his footspeed. What surprised me even more is that he thinks Wesley and Jacob might not go until the seventh round, based on what he's hearing. He did say that one team was really high on Stevie Johnson, so he COULD be taken high.

That tidbit about Stevie Johnson was the one positive in Vaught's wrds words. Vaught did not sound at all happy. He most obviously wants the former Cats to go higher, just as we do.

They also discussed how Coach Brooks has really "gone to bat" for his players, especially Andre. Brooks basically told some of the general managers that they have made a mistake if they don't take a couple of these players high in the draft.

Vaught also said Brooks is a coach who tends to defend his players staunchly against criticism, period, which is one reason the guys love to play for him. As I listened to that, I remember how I used to read the opposite about Brooks from UK fans when he wasn't winning. Yes, I had been defending Brooks against such criticism, giving evidence about how players lovd him (although he did face some early problems with players who had remained loyal to their former coach). :)

Let's just hope that Vaught had happened to talk to the wrong people. As I said, I just hope what he's hearing is wrong. His words surely did not make me happy. :icon_sad: Of course, what matters the most is that these guys get chosen by the right team. Just sharing.

[UKcat98]

IMO, it'll just give them all the extra motivation to prove the scouts wrong.

I see WW playing safety in the NFL.

[AshlandTomcat41]

All these guys on ESPN keep saying stuff about players already drafted like "these guys played in the SEC against the best competition/defenses in the country" But they dont mention anything about anyone from UK. Then you've got pencil thin Joe Flacco from a D2 school get drafted in the top 10, basically because he can throw the ball 75 yards....well you cant throw the ball 75 yards when a linebacker breaks all your ribs.

[Rockober]

I think Woodson goes in the fourth round today but I hope he goes higher. Woodyard will make some team very happy with a late pick. It is frustrating that some of these fine players are not getting any love but the program will continue to get better and UK players will get more respect.

I hope we all are celebrating later today on the results from today.

[SBCatMan]

The two guys who I think are really under-rated are Tamme and Stevie Johnson. Those two have good size and GREAT hands. I think they will be the steal of the draft for whoever selects them.

The others are good, too -- Andre, Keenan, Wesley and Raphael, too. But, everyone SHOULD know that! I just think Tamme and Johnson will really open some eyes in the coming years in the NFL. People will be asking, "Who ARE those guys?" They will soon find out.

[jwade]

Hard to argue with Ryan, Flacco, Brohm and Henne going ahead of Woodson. But Kevin O'Connell? That shows you how far Andre's stock has fallen since the end of last season. Don't be surprised when John David Booty goes ahead of Andre and who knows where Erik Ainge fits in. I say Burton goes in the fourth and Woodson goes in the fifth.


Jim

[Matt Dillon]

Without a doubt, Keenan and Raffey's injures have hurt their status. I am surprised Wesley is still undrafted though.

[poodoo]

Hard to argue with Ryan, Flacco, Brohm and Henne going ahead of Woodson. But Kevin O'Connell? That shows you how far Andre's stock has fallen since the end of last season. Don't be surprised when John David Booty goes ahead of Andre and who knows where Erik Ainge fits in. I say Burton goes in the fourth and Woodson goes in the fifth.


Jim

Jim, that also caught my attention when Kevin O'Connell was taken ahead of Andre. It really surprised me. In regard to Andre and ALL of our guys, though, I'm trying to think positively and concentrate on the FACT that WHERE the players land is what matters most, at least after the first two or three rounds. Regardless, I know Andre and Keenan are particularly disappointed right now.

YIKES! They just mentioned four "top" quarterbacks who have not been taken and did NOT even mention Andre. Then Mel Kiper named even others and did not mention Andre. THEN a commentator DID mention Andre and others who had performed at the Senior Bowl, adding how Coach Martz had really pushed the quarterbacks and changed some things (to which Coach Brooks has strongly objected, by the way) --and the guy called "Jaws" (is that Jaworski or something like that?) reacted MOST defensively in Martz' defense. :icon_frown: Did anyone else see that? Anyway, I am REALLY feeling for Andre now.

Oh, Jim, I thought about you during the draft last night. Are you actually going to cheer for Brian Brohm now! ;) Too, that's a case where Brohm fell from the first round to bottom of the second round and was likely MOST lucky in regard to what team drafted him.

[ryanebelhar]

just noticed that on ESPN it has John David Booty, Erix Ainge, and Johsh Johnson listed over Andre as best avaialbe QB.

It also has Woodyard as 2nd best linebacker still left.

and anyone notice that Mike Hart has not been drafted yet?

[MudCat]

This is a link to a guy who researches the Wonderlic scores.

http://www.macmirabile.com/wonderlic.htm

According to his research, both Andre and Booty scored the lowest on the test at 14. (For a frame of reference, Vince Young initially scored a 6, if you recall that from a couple of years ago, was allowed to retest and scored at 16.)

Before I go any further, please understand I'm not saying this has much to do with why Andre hasn't been picked yet, however, if you combine that with the hitch in the delivery and the foot-speed issue, it seems to make a little more sense, from a purely objective standpoint.

As much as I loved watching Andre play, my monetary investment in it was the cost of a season ticket, food for the tailgates, and gas when I drove.

If a team is going to invest hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) of dollars, I think adding those things together would cause some to take pause.

Now, that being said, Terry Bradshaw scored a 15, and he turned out to be a pretty good quarterback in the NFL, so there are things that aren't necessarily quantifiable, but IMO, it's become such a statistical and numerical process in the NFL, teams are looking not to screw up a pick, more than just looking at a player's play on the field.

Personally, I wish Andre all the success in the world, and think he'll be a good QB in the NFL. Maybe not a superduperstar, but I think he'll have a nice career.

(One other note on the link: The guy who runs the site does admit that he doesn't have the actual scores, as the NFL doesn't release them, but has been doing this for a while, and has many sources in NFL scouting, and has worked for the NFL.)

[DCWildcat]

just noticed that on ESPN it has John David Booty, Erix Ainge, and Johsh Johnson listed over Andre as best avaialbe QB.

It also has Woodyard as 2nd best linebacker still left.

and anyone notice that Mike Hart has not been drafted yet?

Hart may end up being a great college player but not a great pro player. He's small in stature and doesn't have the speed that you generally need to make up for that.

Josh Johnson? Seriously? I go to Davidson and that kid plays in our conference.

[ryanebelhar]

wow, the Raiders took a WR with 13 CAREER TD's from richmond over Burton and Johnson.

[DCWildcat]

I don't get it, I don't get it at all.

Me neither

[catlovercardhater]

finally....tamme and keenan both selected. And I hate to say this.. but it will be interesting to see what happens with brohm up in GB. He has big shoes to fill and with the type of environment they have up there I think he is going to thrive. I think GB might be able to build a power house again with him ( that is if brohm can stand the cold weather).

[poodoo]

Since we're now in the fifth round, ALL that matters is that the right team takes Andre. We want him to go where he will STICK. Making the roster is "everything" once a player passes the high selections with signing bonuses. May the RIGHT team soon select Andre. I know he must be really disappointed right now, and I feel for him. :icon_sad:

Too, I'm hoping the same for Wesley. It's good to hear that he's the second-highest linebacker on the board. :) In regard to Rafael, because of his unfortunate injury and surgery, he could now be taken as a free agent. We'll see.

I'm hoping to hear Stevie Johnson's name soon, too. Vaught says one team is particularly high on him. Then there's Eric Scott, who COULD be drafted and should at least be a free agent, which is also a possibility for Dominic Lewis, from what I have heard.

[poodoo]

Still two more quarterbacks have been taken ahead of Andre. :icon_frown: One is Dennis Dixon from Oregon, and the other is Josh Johnson from San Diego. We're now late in the fifth round. Of course, I guess Andre COULD be like former sixth-rounder Tom Brady. I'm looking for a positive here, guys. Prove the other teams wrong, Andre, wherever you go!

[BigblueDrew]

Eric Angie goes ahead of Andre. He couldn't hold Woodsons jock.

[poodoo]

Eric Angie goes ahead of Andre. He couldn't hold Woodsons jock.

I agree, Drew, and that makes NINE quarterbacks who have been taken ahead of Andre. UNREAL. :shrug1: I suspect Coach Brooks is steaming.

[johnkyblue]

I agree, Drew, and that makes NINE quarterbacks who have been taken ahead of Andre. UNREAL. :shrug1: I suspect Coach Brooks is steaming.I pray that Coach Brooks doesn't burn any bridges right now because I know I would curse out my old friends in Atlanta.

[misterbluecat]

I think these teams just randomly pull a name from a hat. Woodson and Woodyard not being selected yet is unreal.

[johnkyblue]

I turned it off, tired of wanting to throw sharp objects at the representation of Kiper's face in my house.

[AshlandTomcat41]

I cant take this......ugh.

[teamchemistry09]

Being a Detroit fan, Id love Woodson to fall another 30 picks or so so we could get him. Or Woodyard. We need help in both of those spots. But I cannot believe we are this far into the draft and Woodson and Woodyard and Little are still undrafted

[DCWildcat]

This is just unbelievable. Halfway through the 6th round and still no word...

[AshlandTomcat41]

It would be nice to see my Browns snag Wesley here in a few pics.....maybe Andre' to Seattle???

[AshlandTomcat41]

Colt Brennan...ARE YOU SERIOUS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[DonnieKat]

Colt Brennan?!?!? Seriously, Colt Brennan?!?!? I have seen a laundry list of crappy quarterbacks off the board in the last four rounds. Send some tape from the UL, LSU and UGA games as well as the OT game against UT. Or maybe our two bowl game victories. This is ridiculous.

[bellbrass]

I'm supposed to believe there are 180+ college football players better than Andre Woodson? Give me a break! If Woodson goes much lower, he'll be a 3rd-stringer or a practice team QB. The NFL dropped the ball on this one!

[johnkyblue]

Hart may end up being a great college player but not a great pro player. He's small in stature and doesn't have the speed that you generally need to make up for that.I can believe it for the guy at bama that played for 8 years or whatever.... but when a player is as proven as hart, woodson, and woodyard it's a stupid thing to say. If they had played in odd systems or never threw the ball like the guy from Bama I would understand.

[BigblueDrew]

Andre isn't going to get drafted at all imo. Simply beyond my capacity to understand. what a blow to a fine young man.

[DCWildcat]

I can believe it for the guy at bama that played for 8 years or whatever.... but when a player is as proven as hart, woodson, and woodyard it's a stupid thing to say. If they had played in odd systems or never threw the ball like the guy from Bama I would understand.

Those three aren't really in the same boat...Woodson and Woodyard's physicals are much better for their positions than Hart's are. Hart has better vision and technique though.

[Hattie]

I agree. I may be looking through Big Blue tinted glasses, but the fact than Andre and Woodyard are still available is mind boggling, at best :shrug1:

[UKFF]

Besides the test scores I think what has killed Woodson is his interviews with individual teams. You can look past a score when you interview well and apperently he did not and it shows.

[BigblueDrew]

Andre isn't going to get drafted at all imo. Simply beyond my capacity to understand. what a blow to a fine young man.

[BowlingGreenUKGrad]

Anybody know of a big-time college QB that went undrafted and then made it in the league? I'm not talking about someone like Kurt Warner, who played at a small school and went unnoticed. I can't think of anyone, but maybe there is one out there? :shrug1:

[countryboyky]

To the Giants

[kentuckyforthewin]

Woodson is a Giant!!!!!!!!!

[xxtay80]

yeah!!!! another uk qb to sit the bench in ny!!!:shrug1::icon_cry::mad: oh well he was drafted

[Brian McCat]

yeah!!!! another uk qb to sit the bench in ny!!!:shrug1::icon_cry::mad: oh well he was drafted

Not so fast. Andre, with time, will develop and get traded after 3 years as a starter.

[Hattie]

Not so fast. Andre, with time, will develop and get traded after 3 years as a starter.
Uhhh boy, I hope you're right...
The Giants??? Wow...:shock:

[Will Lavender]

Congratulations to Andre.

I'm disappointed that it took so long, but you do see situations all the time in the NFL where quarterbacks come out of nowhere (draft-wise) to shine as starters.

I'm not a big football guy, but I saw Jaworski talking about why a quarterback is drafted last night. He said what they look at is how the guy can throw passes to NFL routes in college.

If that's the case, it might explain why Woodson went so late. UK's system isn't exactly NFL-like. And it might also explain why scouts have such difficult times pegging how these quarterbacks might do in their professional careers. Seems like a system thing rather than a talent thing.

[poodoo]

Yes, congratulations, Andre! :) I had started to post earlier, though, that I sort of hoped the Giants would not be the team to draft him, because of Jared's being there. Well, that's obviously exactly where Andre went. Here's hoping things somehow work out well for both former Cats. :)

Now we're still waiting for Wesley's and Stevie's names to be called. I really believe both young men can make it in the league, Wesley in particular. back to the draft.

[johnkyblue]

If Kentucky's system isn't NFL like - what is it? Even that shuffle option is just a stretch play when run by Woodson.

[Brian McCat]

If that's the case, it might explain why Woodson went so late. UK's system isn't exactly NFL-like. And it might also explain why scouts have such difficult times pegging how these quarterbacks might do in their professional careers. Seems like a system thing rather than a talent thing.

I'm not sure if I agree that our system isn't NFL-like.

What makes you say that, Will?

[bellbrass]

It's not UK's "system" that resulted in Andre going so late. It's the NFL's "system."

[ukblue22]

Looks like the 2nd string QB job is between Jared, Wright, and Carr.

Carr is washed up and Jared is better (and Cheaper) than Wright. Unless they put Woodson on the practice squad (highly unlikely to keep a QB there.)

So the QB position looks like an all SEC position in NY.

[BOURBON TOWN CAT FAN]

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[Will Lavender]

I'm not sure if I agree that our system isn't NFL-like.

What makes you say that, Will?

Seems like we run a lot -- a lot -- of short routes. A lot of wide receiver screens. A lot of quick drop-backs where Andre would just fire it out to the sideline and the receiver would catch the ball and try to make the first guy miss.

Not a lot of slants and skinny posts and things like that.

Of course, I'm a football idiot, so maybe I"m totally off?

As Jaworski was describing it, he claimed that the scouts particularly looked at post patterns to see if a QB was NFL-ready. I know Andre can throw a deep ball, but that doesn't seem to be the best part of his game.

[Blue_N_White]

yeah!!!! another uk qb to sit the bench in ny!!!:shrug1::icon_cry::mad: oh well he was drafted

Kind of ironic that he went to the New York Giants....to join Lorenzen as a backup behind Eli.

BUT....as Brian McCat pointed out....

Not so fast. Andre, with time, will develop and get traded after 3 years as a starter.


He could get his shot at some point. We all know of ANOTHER 6th round quarterback who was drafted in the 6th round to be a backup....behind Drew Bledsoe....

Some guy named Tom Brady.....

(disclaimer: I am NOT comparing Andre Woodson to Tom Brady...just pointing out that sometimes, being drafted in the 6th round to be a backup QB can actually turn out pretty favorably ;))