Baseball History

[teamchemistry09]

Mods you can move this but this is something EVERYONE needs to see. A kid named Posey who plays baseball for Florida State played all 9 positions in their game a few days ago. All 9. Thats right, in a 7 inning game the kid played all 9 positions. Wow. If that isnt enough for ya, he also hit a grand slam.

[crazzedcats22]

wow, doesn't get any more impressive than that

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

I saw them talking to him on espn today (at work, sound down). a fsu fan was acting like he's such a great player since he can play all nine positions. i don't know the player, don't care to...he's probably a great hitter and he's probably great at one maybe two positions in the field. Without knowing the whole story, and again I really don't care to even look it up, this just seems kind of gimmicky to me. Hell, there's probably a tousand college players in this country that could play all nine positions in a game if the coach chose to do that. It's called a pub grab and it's an insult to the opposition. There's really no good reason to do that other than to get your face on cable tv, and looky, it worked ! Congrats to the semen-holes for making a mockery of college baseball !

[teamchemistry09]

I saw them talking to him on espn today (at work, sound down). a fsu fan was acting like he's such a great player since he can play all nine positions. i don't know the player, don't care to...he's probably a great hitter and he's probably great at one maybe two positions in the field. Without knowing the whole story, and again I really don't care to even look it up, this just seems kind of gimmicky to me. Hell, there's probably a tousand college players in this country that could play all nine positions in a game if the coach chose to do that. It's called a pub grab and it's an insult to the opposition. There's really no good reason to do that other than to get your face on cable tv, and looky, it worked ! Congrats to the semen-holes for making a mockery of college baseball !

Geez. I think its very impressive. Without knowing the whole story how can you say that? There could have been injuries or a number of other reasons where he had to. The kid is obviously a great ball player. If this wasnt the case, youd here about it more often.

[TrueblueCATfan]

that is pretty impressive!!!!

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

Geez. I think its very impressive. Without knowing the whole story how can you say that? There could have been injuries or a number of other reasons where he had to. The kid is obviously a great ball player. If this wasnt the case, youd here about it more often.

ok then I looked it up and it's just as I thought it was. Posey played all nine positions in a game against savannah state (20-25) in a series where fsu had won the first three games and were going for the four game sweep. The game was pretty much over when fsu took a 6-0 lead in the second inning, and it was called in the seventh due to the freaking MERCY RULE !!! geez...too bad for fsu that was the case because they damn well could have made him coach in the eigth inning, and then athletic director in the ninth ! the guy even said that first base was wierd because he had never played it. oooooooooohhhh the kids got so much talent that he can stand out in the field and "play" a bunch of positions against a team that they SHUT OUT. I'll say it again, it was a gimmick for exposure and it took no more talent than the average college player to accomplish.

I think you folks are truly overreacting to basic baseball fundamentals. Sorry but I love baseball and I don't like it when somebody makes a farce of a game I love. especially when it's a dirty scholl like fsu !

http://seminoles.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/051208aaa.html

[teamchemistry09]

ok then I looked it up and it's just as I thought it was. Posey played all nine positions in a game against savannah state (20-25) in a series where fsu had won the first three games and were going for the four game sweep. The game was pretty much over when fsu took a 6-0 lead in the second inning, and it was called in the seventh due to the freaking MERCY RULE !!! geez...too bad for fsu that was the case because they damn well could have made him coach in the eigth inning, and then athletic director in the ninth ! the guy even said that first base was wierd because he had never played it. oooooooooohhhh the kids got so much talent that he can stand out in the field and "play" a bunch of positions against a team that they SHUT OUT. I'll say it again, it was a gimmick for exposure and it took no more talent than the average college player to accomplish.

I think you folks are truly overreacting to basic baseball fundamentals. Sorry but I love baseball and I don't like it when somebody makes a farce of a game I love. especially when it's a dirty scholl like fsu !

http://seminoles.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/051208aaa.html

You have to be talented to be able to do this. It doesnt matter if its the Yankees playing against Savannah State. The kid is good. If he wasnt and it was just for exposure like you say, more teams would have a kid do it more often.

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

You have to be talented to be able to do this. It doesnt matter if its the Yankees playing against Savannah State. The kid is good. If he wasnt and it was just for exposure like you say, more teams would have a kid do it more often.


I'm not saying the kid isn't good, he's a great hitter. that's exactly why the coach would do this to make his face more visible to scouts. But the story is about playing the field, playing defense. Savannah state had FOUR hits in the game. I mean, just how many balls do you think Posey had hit to him. Did he really "play" those positions or did he stand there and watch his pitchers mow them down. (it was the latter). Yes Posey pitched too. he threw 13 pitches and got 2 strikeouts against a horrible team. again .....BIG DEAL !

teamchemistry, I'm not sure how much you or the others in this thread really know about baseball, but I'd really love for someone to explain exactly how it takes so much talent to do what he did. I can't tell from the box score or even the play-by-play how many balls were hit in his direction, but you know what....a ground ball is a ground ball no matter where you're standing on the field. a fly ball is a fly ball whether you're playing left, center, or right. Any knucklehead can play catcher for one inning.

the "teams would do it more often" theory is bunk. they don't do it because of what I have said, it's a gimmick, it's an insult to the other team, it's disrepectful to the game. And if the kid DOES have "so much" talent, then why hasn't fsu pulled this more often ? why don't they do it against Miami in a close game? why wait until you play a non-conference game against a nobody opponent in a blowout ? Anybody got an answer for that ?

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

and this from the box score:


Game notes:
Posey plays all nine positions, fourth Seminole in the Mike Martin (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/fsu/sports/m-basebl/mtt/martin_mike01.html) era to
perform the feat and first since Mike Martin (http://www.fansonly.com/schools/fsu/sports/m-basebl/mtt/martin_mike01.html), Jr. vs Furman in 1994.
Position order:Catcher(1st);First base(2nd);Second base(3rd);Shortstop(4th)
Third base(5th);LF(6th);CF(6th, 2outs);Pitcher(7th); RF(7th 2outs).




apparently coach martin has a history of this attention grabbing-junk, and wadda you know, hid did it with his own son in '94. ahhhhh, isn't that sweet ? Maybe someone can give me a reason he'd move posey from left to center with 2 outs in the sixth inning? I mean, it was 8-0 at the time. I guess in the seventh inning, after posey threw 13 pitches he was too tired so with 2 outs they moved him to right field. Yeah, that's just basic baseball strategy since they knew if (uh-oh) they scored 2 more runs the mercy rule would kick in and the guy had only played eight positions so far!:icon_rolleyes:

again, I feel bad for savannah state that they had to watch all these mid-inning game stoppages so that fsu could get themselves on sportscenter. but hey, with fsu that's what you get.

[cumberlandredskin]

I thought this was a play for attention. It really didn't impress me. Yes, the kid is probably very talented but it was all for headlines. Also I didn't like it because they did it against Savannah State. If you are going to do this do it against someone on your level. Not a D2 school or a lower level D-1 school. I would have been a little more impressed if he did it, say, against Clemson or someone else in the ACC.

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

sorry, but I'm kind of having fun with this.

here's a story from tallahassee.com that says it all:

http://tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080512/FSU06/80512036/0/NEWS01


"Tireless and talented Buster Posey showed he’s also adept at standing around. At any position.

Other than his usual stops behind the plate and on the mound, that is what the Florida State junior mostly did during his tour of Mike Martin Field on Monday. The fourth Seminole during the 29-season Martin Era to play all nine positions in a game had to settle with getting his kicks with a bat in his hand.

“At some of the positions I was glad the ball wasn’t hit to me,” said Posey, who used four different gloves in the game. “First base is probably the weirdest one just because I really never played there and I played on the left side of the infield. I’m glad I didn’t get any rockets over there.
“…I was looking forward to the outfield just because I’ve never been out there too much.”

Posey ripped a first-pitch grand slam in the second inning that put FSU out front in 6-0 en route to a 10-0 victory over Savannah State. It was his second grand slam of the season and ACC-leading 16th homer. He also walked twice which is more activity than he experienced in the infield.

Posey was on the receiving end of second baseman Jason Stidham’s throw to first to open the second inning and that was it. Well, there were those short hoppers to first base from his teammates while Bo O’Dell tossed his warm-up pitches."






so there you have it. posey made ONE put-out in the game, by catching a ball thrown to him at first base. this article also says that he was "supposed" to play all 3 outfield positions in the sixth inning, but a double play prevented that from happening. the whole thing was set-up, as I said, as a publicity stunt.

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

I thought this was a play for attention. It really didn't impress me. Yes, the kid is probably very talented but it was all for headlines. Also I didn't like it because they did it against Savannah State. If you are going to do this do it against someone on your level. Not a D2 school or a lower level D-1 school. I would have been a little more impressed if he did it, say, against Clemson or someone else in the ACC.

THANK YOU. I'm glad there's someone else here who can read between the lines.

[cumberlandredskin]

THANK YOU. I'm glad there's someone else here who can read between the lines.


FWIW Kornheiser and Wilbon on PTI agreed with me the other night.

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

FWIW Kornheiser and Wilbon on PTI agreed with me the other night.


good.

I'm now hoping that this will come back to bite coach martin in the butt and that the media will expose this as a publicity stunt for everyone to ridicule. I'll say it again, you don't make a farce of the national pastime !

[Ukosumu]

Although I agree this is a gimmick play, Posey is projected to be the first kid taken in this years MLB draft on some sites. Didn't Dave Concepcion do this with the Reds once?

[cumberlandredskin]

Although I agree this is a gimmick play, Posey is projected to be the first kid taken in this years MLB draft on some sites. Didn't Dave Concepcion do this with the Reds once?

No I'm pretty sure he didn't. I think the last player to play all nine positions in a game was Cesar Tovar back in the 60's or 70's. Also Bert Campaneris did it around the same time as Tovar. I'll have to see if I can find some more info on this.

[Ukosumu]

No I'm pretty sure he didn't. I think the last player to play all nine positions in a game was Cesar Tovar back in the 60's or 70's. Also Bert Campaneris did it around the same time as Tovar. I'll have to see if I can find some more info on this.
I have been looking into this as well (sports trivia is one of my weaknesses, well that and butterscotch milkshakes but that is for another time :icon_redface:).

All I can find is Shane Halter Oct 1, 2000, Scott Sheldon Sept 6, 2000, Cesar Tovar Sept 22, 1968, and Bert Campaneris Sept 8, 1965

[cumberlandredskin]

I have been looking into this as well (sports trivia is one of my weaknesses, well that and butterscotch milkshakes but that is for another time :icon_redface:).

All I can find is Shane Halter Oct 1, 2000, Scott Sheldon Sept 6, 2000, Cesar Tovar Sept 22, 1968, and Bert Campaneris Sept 8, 1965

I looked too. It looks like Shane Halter was the last one to do this. I never heard of him or Shelton before. From what I can find, they are the only four MLB players to ever do this. All played in the AL. So no NL player has done this. Also another trivial thing I found was that when Tovar did his inning as a pitcher he faced Bert Campaneris.

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

thanks for the research guys. I too love MLB trivia. one of the beautiful things about baseball is that it seems to have more trivial stats than all other sports combined. I'd love to know under what circumstances those 4 guys played all nine positions.

[dougwhit]

just a gimmick

[Chaz]

I looked too. It looks like Shane Halter was the last one to do this. I never heard of him or Shelton before. From what I can find, they are the only four MLB players to ever do this. All played in the AL. So no NL player has done this. Also another trivial thing I found was that when Tovar did his inning as a pitcher he faced Bert Campaneris.
StL Cardinals Jose Oquendo did that also in the late '80s or early 90's.

[teamchemistry09]

I'm not saying the kid isn't good, he's a great hitter. that's exactly why the coach would do this to make his face more visible to scouts. But the story is about playing the field, playing defense. Savannah state had FOUR hits in the game. I mean, just how many balls do you think Posey had hit to him. Did he really "play" those positions or did he stand there and watch his pitchers mow them down. (it was the latter). Yes Posey pitched too. he threw 13 pitches and got 2 strikeouts against a horrible team. again .....BIG DEAL !

teamchemistry, I'm not sure how much you or the others in this thread really know about baseball, but I'd really love for someone to explain exactly how it takes so much talent to do what he did. I can't tell from the box score or even the play-by-play how many balls were hit in his direction, but you know what....a ground ball is a ground ball no matter where you're standing on the field. a fly ball is a fly ball whether you're playing left, center, or right. Any knucklehead can play catcher for one inning.

the "teams would do it more often" theory is bunk. they don't do it because of what I have said, it's a gimmick, it's an insult to the other team, it's disrepectful to the game. And if the kid DOES have "so much" talent, then why hasn't fsu pulled this more often ? why don't they do it against Miami in a close game? why wait until you play a non-conference game against a nobody opponent in a blowout ? Anybody got an answer for that ?

While you may be right that a fly ball is a fly ball and a ground ball is a ground ball, there is a big difference in playing different positions. I actually know a lot about baseball. I am actually coaching a team this year. Its not about fly balls being fly balls, its about what to do with it after you catch/field the ball. Knowing who the cutoff is, or what base to get it to first, or knowing when not to throw it. Playing 2nd is very different than playing 3rd. Theres more to it than just fielding a ball and throwing it to first. The same with left and right field. Obviously you dont know much about baseball if you think its only fly balls and grounders. And FWIW the kid is their starting catcher

[Ukosumu]

While you may be right that a fly ball is a fly ball and a ground ball is a ground ball, there is a big difference in playing different positions. I actually know a lot about baseball. I am actually coaching a team this year. Its not about fly balls being fly balls, its about what to do with it after you catch/field the ball. Knowing who the cutoff is, or what base to get it to first, or knowing when not to throw it. Playing 2nd is very different than playing 3rd. Theres more to it than just fielding a ball and throwing it to first. The same with left and right field. Obviously you dont know much about baseball if you think its only fly balls and grounders. And FWIW the kid is their starting catcher
Relax, the kid is talented but I think if have played baseball for any amount of team you have played most if not all position. Being a first-baseman mostly, I had pitched, caught, played all three outfield and every infield position before my playing days were done. I never did it in one game mind you but I have played at least one inning at every position. Congrats to the Fla St catcher for going down in the record books for having achieve this but I don't feel it worthy enough of an accomplishment to question people's baseball knowledge. IMO

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

While you may be right that a fly ball is a fly ball and a ground ball is a ground ball, there is a big difference in playing different positions. I actually know a lot about baseball. I am actually coaching a team this year. Its not about fly balls being fly balls, its about what to do with it after you catch/field the ball. Knowing who the cutoff is, or what base to get it to first, or knowing when not to throw it. Playing 2nd is very different than playing 3rd. Theres more to it than just fielding a ball and throwing it to first. The same with left and right field. Obviously you dont know much about baseball if you think its only fly balls and grounders. And FWIW the kid is their starting catcher

tc, if you're going to respond, why not answer some of the questions I posed ? I have posed several in my different posts, and none of the people who think this was a big accopmlisment have answered any of them. Besides, what base to get the ball to first is more situational than position-related, and who the cutoff-man is is basic baseball knowledge. I learned that in little leauge.

[Chaz]

tc, if you're going to respond, why not answer some of the questions I posed ? I have posed several in my different posts, and none of the people who think this was a big accopmlisment have answered any of them. Besides, what base to get the ball to first is more situational than position-related, and who the cutoff-man is is basic baseball knowledge. I learned that in little leauge.
I'm not TC, but this is not a great feat!! Any player who has any baseball smarts knows where to throw the ball. Being a catcher, the guy sees all of the throws in every situation and is backing up throws. Middle infielders know where to make the plays and are cut off men for throws from the outfield. Corner infielders (1st-3rd) are also cut off menfor throws to the plate. My son played every position in little l;eague, babe ruth and high school, but not in one game.

This particular feat was done against a vast inferior opponent where a mistake will not cost the game, far from it. This was done purely for the hype of a college player having accomplished it. Most coaches and players would not want to do it and don't. What purpose does it accomplish? Even I can do it and I've never played organized baseball, only industrial league softball.

[TrueblueCATfan]

My daughter has played fast pitch softball for along time now...she can play multiple postions (except for catcher)..I think she is a heck of a softball player but she did not get any offers to play in college..she still plays fast pitch in the summer for fun.....

[teamchemistry09]

tc, if you're going to respond, why not answer some of the questions I posed ? I have posed several in my different posts, and none of the people who think this was a big accopmlisment have answered any of them. Besides, what base to get the ball to first is more situational than position-related, and who the cutoff-man is is basic baseball knowledge. I learned that in little leauge.

what questions would you like me, and others, to answer for you?

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

tc, I know that you created this thread and therefore have gotten a bit defensive that I and a few others would actually disagree with you. you got on me for typing my first response without knowing the whole story, yet you apparently created the thread without knowing the whole story either. you also, for some reason, said that I obviously don't know much about baseball, when in actuality you have no clue about me or what I know about. you really seem to have taken a defensive stance in the thread and I think that may have possibly blinded you to the REAL circumstances surrounding what Posey did. for more information about those circumstances see my other gajillion posts in this thread. and since you asked, the questions that I would like you to answer are in my posts and you can pick them out from the other sentences because they have a "?" at the end of them.

[teamchemistry09]

tc, I know that you created this thread and therefore have gotten a bit defensive that I and a few others would actually disagree with you. you got on me for typing my first response without knowing the whole story, yet you apparently created the thread without knowing the whole story either. you also, for some reason, said that I obviously don't know much about baseball, when in actuality you have no clue about me or what I know about. you really seem to have taken a defensive stance in the thread and I think that may have possibly blinded you to the REAL circumstances surrounding what Posey did. for more information about those circumstances see my other gajillion posts in this thread. and since you asked, the questions that I would like you to answer are in my posts and you can pick them out from the other sentences because they have a "?" at the end of them.

Im not too sure how I got defensive I just asked what questions you wanted answered because I looked back and didnt see any. Even if you think it is just for publicity, you have to admit that its impressive