If Tubby loses an assistant coach, who would you like to see

[Caveman Catfan]

Rumors still abound about Rigot, but even if not him, an assistant could certainly move on this year.

Who would you like to see fill the spot, if open?

Macy and Davis are head coaches that might be looking for work.

Would they be good matches?

[ukcat1]

Davis would go on welfare first!

[Caveman Catfan]

I understand that he and Tubby are friends. I am not sure that his game talk about UK would matter much if his friend offered him a job.

[BigBlueAngus]

I just want someone young and fresh and energetic, Ready to sell the new practice facility to Blue Chippers.

[justford]

I don't care if he has never coached even a pee wee team I bet Clark Kellogg would be a dandy recruiter as he sure can talk the talk.

[Buddah]

i pefer hobbs and rigot both leave. hopefully the new asstiants, will not be close buddies of tubby ( barnes ) or failed in a water down conference ( macy ) they wil be young, alot of energy and have a base in offense.

[matt57]

I'd like to so finney back here. Our recruiting was always solid under him.

[Buddah]

matt57 wrote:
I'd like to so finney back here. Our recruiting was always solid under him.

he fails at both of the things i outline.

[ukbob]

Fairly young...energetic....known around.

Likes to recruit...likes to teach....can communicate with yong people.

Former NBA player maybe. (Alan Houston type)

Other names....

Hurley

Lavin

Barnes

Could be others

[nkycatsfan]

What about Billy Donovan, he'd make a fine assistant coach at UK. He has experience at being an assistant at UK too. :)

[bret1555]

Rigot and Hobbs need to leave. . . I think Hobbs has some health issues & he just seems tired. We need a replacement for Rigot who can pick up for recruiting in-season. During seasons, the head coach must focus mainly on the team, so he needs a charismatic guy to do the foot-work during the season, which is the most important time. I think sometimes that criticisms of Tubby's recruiting are a bit misquided. He IS personally a good recruiter, buta head coach at a program which should expect deep tournament runs every year needs a quality recruiting coordinator - no, make that a DYNAMITE recruiting coordinator. I don't think Tubby's recruiting "style" is a problem, but I think his "system" and selection of help has been.

This coming from a Tubby "apologist."

Buddah - did you hear that, I made a criticism of Tubby. . . Kind of.:lol:

[Omega16]

Buddah wrote: i pefer hobbs and rigot both leave. hopefully the new asstiants, will not be close buddies of tubby ( barnes ) or failed in a water down conference ( macy ) they wil be young, alot of energy and have a base in offense.
I have to agree with you on this one. A breath of fresh air (and ideas) I feel would do wonders for this program.

[Will Lavender]

I sort of like the idea of Kyle Macy.

Somebody mentioned awhile back that we need a more "family"-oriented atmosphere at UK. Duke has that; their entire coaching staff is made up of former players. Seems to me that would create a more tightly-knit environment among the team. Anytime they play without focus, Macy could step in and tell them first-hand what wearing that jersey means. And, like Reggie Hanson should be able to do, he could speak pridefully of our tradition and maybe sell the kids better on that tradition.

[Aike]

I think the idea of Kyle Macy sounds better than the reality of Kyle Macy. But that might just be me.

Will Lavender wrote: I sort of like the idea of Kyle Macy.

Somebody mentioned awhile back that we need a more "family"-oriented atmosphere at UK. Duke has that; their entire coaching staff is made up of former players. Seems to me that would create a more tightly-knit environment among the team. Anytime they play without focus, Macy could step in and tell them first-hand what wearing that jersey means. And, like Reggie Hanson should be able to do, he could speak pridefully of our tradition and maybe sell the kids better on that tradition.

[UKSam]

I would really like to see a big man coach come in.Bowie?

A former player with NBA connections would be good for us. Jamal Mashburn has been hurt and in his mid 30'sMaybe it is time for him (or Delk) to look at a new job.

[Will Lavender]

This is a bit of a threadjack, but anyway:

Somebody on the TCP site linked an article by Dan Wetzel today about assistant coaches.

Wetzel said that assistant coaches of the past had to know the game. Not anymore. Now, assistant coaches are solely recruiters. In fact, he argues that that's all they have to know how to do.

I really don't know what would make a "good" recruiter. He'd have to be a hard worker, certainly. He'd have to be articulate. And he'd have to know what the tradition of the school really meant.

That's why I'm not opposed to a former player, even if he was a failed head coach.

Who better to preach to a 17-year-old about tradition and history?

[Aike]

My problem with Macy is that he always came across as arrogant and condescending when he did color for UK Radio in the nineties. That is only my perception, of course, but I don't think he would play well in the living room of 17 year old kids.

Plus, if a Kentucky legend couldn't recruit decent talent to play for a Kentucky school, then I have serious doubts that he would be successful on a much larger stage. Just my gut, take it for what it's worth.

Will Lavender wrote: This is a bit of a threadjack, but anyway:

Somebody on the TCP site linked an article by Dan Wetzel today about assistant coaches.

Wetzel said that assistant coaches of the past had to know the game. Not anymore. Now, assistant coaches are solely recruiters. In fact, he argues that that's all they have to know how to do.

I really don't know what would make a "good" recruiter. He'd have to be a hard worker, certainly. He'd have to be articulate. And he'd have to know what the tradition of the school really meant.

That's why I'm not opposed to a former player, even if he was a failed head coach.

Who better to preach to a 17-year-old about tradition and history?

[blueblood]

I doubt we could lure him away from the head coaching spot at U Mass, but Travis Ford has done a sensational job as a coach. He's gotten the recruits at the other schools he's coached, and turned their programs around. He learned from his dad, and he was a great player in the 90s.

While I love Kyle Macy, Sam Bowie, and Jamal Mashburn, their time was on the court not the bench. We need solid assistants that can produce solid players. The kids that we'd be recruiting today wouldn't remember Kyle Macy's at the buzzer half court shots twice in one season against LSU, or Sam Bowie being half of the twin towers from the 80s. Jamal might win some points, but can he teach what he use to do?

Billy Donovan would be a good choice to come back as an assistant coach, so would Dan Issel, or Herb Sendek.

[Buddah]

Most kids don't have a clue about who Kyle Macy is, some or the ones that followed Duke, do know who some of the duke asst now were/are wojo, collins etc .

I don't really subscribe to the it has to be in the family per se, you can lose out on alot of good coaches like that. Indiana will probably pass up good coaches, North Carliona almost buried their program by doing that. If some of the more recent players retired from the leauge, i would be all for it, someone like Mashburn, or Walker,Delk someone that younger kids could relate too. You can't relate to a failed OVC coach who kids know nothing about. Think bigger, thats a big problem with the fan base and this coaching staff, we never think bigger or outside the box for a fresh prespective.

We have, who i think would be a great recruiter, already on staff. Cameron Hill, the son of former NBA head coach, Bob Hill. he is young and seems to have a ton of energy. I think he would do just as good a job as a tubby lackey.

If we are serious about this, and if tubby is going to remain here. Why not think outside the box, just one time ? As many connections as he has, i am sure he could look and find the best young asstaints out there. Find a couple, one for recruiting and one for offense. It would do wonders. I am willing to give Tubby that chance, if he would just stop being a stubborn and follow through with it.. it could help our program so much, he will have to shake things up majorly.

the only way to do this is think outside the box, which means no buddies ( barnes ) and no failed coaches in a watered down conference even if they are former players, especially players that are much older than todays player. who knowns ? i pray i am wrong about this, but i have just been let down too many times, to think that we will get any major changes.. i am hoping, but hope is all too fleeting.

Oh and Billy Donovan will not come here as an asst.:lol: he is coaching the possible national title team. if he coached here as an asst, i would propose to UK bob, that and this ain;t happening. same with ford, pelphery, sendak, these guys have great gigs and aren't leaving.. they are all HEAD COACH material. i know you know that, but u know..

[Lost Highway]

Buddah is so right. You must think outside of the box. Forget the "family". Kentucky should identify the best two or three recruiters in college basketball and go after them. If they are on the North Carolina staff or Kansas staff or Podunk U staff and they are the best, go after them. Make them an offer they can't refuse.

The Cats need a recruiter that knows how to evaluate talent, can sell the product "Kentucky basketball" to this talent and close the deal. They need someone who has worked the high school camps, attended the summer games, visited the best high schools in the country and is known around the neighborhood so to speak.

Face it, Kentucky is not going to return to elite status by having someone in the family talk about the good old days. Even Kentucky high school players don't know much about the good old days. Current high school players were very young when UK last went to a final four. Sure members of the "family" could recruit posters on the WCN but recruiting a kid out of Miami, or Los Angeles or Atlanta takes a little more than talking about 1948,49,51,58,78,96 or 98. Heck a doubt a single high school player can tell you who the last consensus All-American was that played for Kentucky. In fact, I doubt few posters on the WCN can name the last consensus All-American.

Buddah, is right once more. Heck that is becoming a habit for the young man, he seems to get it right about 99.9% of the time.

[catsno1]

Just throwing this out there. What about Jeff Sheppard? I have read that he is very good at camps that he has been at. I have read that he is a good motivator. I have no problem going outside the program if that would be best . I just want this thing fixed.

[Stretch]

I hope everyone keeps one thing in mind during this gung ho, headlong rush to get players in here.

If we bring in a recruiter who Tubby Smith does not know and trust and whose respect for Tubby and Tubby's ideals does not permeate every fiber of his being, we run the risk of some hotshot trying to make a name for himself setting us back ten years with another recruiting scandal.

[Blue Heaven]

I agree Rigot needs to go but I like Hobbs. He has a great mind for the game. I'll throw this out there because I don't beleive it's been mentioned. Other than getting a new ***. coach, what about a new strength and conditioning coach? I don't beleive I can honestly say that any one player has come here and has bulked up or gotten stronger. Tay-Daddy didn't gain an ounce and for the times Shags been here the same can be said for him. Also, Hanson needs to go. Head of player development and he isn't developing anything. JMO.

[SoutheastKyCatFan]

Blue Heaven wrote: I agree Rigot needs to go but I like Hobbs. He has a great mind for the game. I'll throw this out there because I don't beleive it's been mentioned. Other than getting a new ***. coach, what about a new strength and conditioning coach? I don't beleive I can honestly say that any one player has come here and has bulked up or gotten stronger. Tay-Daddy didn't gain an ounce and for the times Shags been here the same can be said for him. Also, Hanson needs to go. Head of player development and he isn't developing anything. JMO.


I think wipe out all the assistants and hire the staff of Rod Barnes, Steve Lavin, Kyle Macy, Bob Huggins, and Rick Majurius:P

[crice561]

One of Pitino's greatest hires was Bernadette Locke. The players really liked her and I remember Mash saying that was one of the reasons he chose UK. Im not saying Tubby should hire her, but maybe another attractive female coach.

Another name to through out there would be good ole Richey Farmer, one of the unforgetables.

[Mark Blueblood]

Well crice, Bernadette Lock would certainly fit the mold of "maybe can recruit, but sure can't coach" types.

And Aike - you're being a little tough on Macy's ability to recruit. You ever been to Morehead?? And, on my few occasions of meeting the man, he was always very personable and humble. Maybe we caught him on different days.

Hobbs?? I like Hobbs, have always liked Hobbs - and, sorry you youngsters out there, but when it comes to coaching, I'll take an old war horse every time over a young, innovative "up and comer". Check it out - the programs that are there year after year are not being guided by 30 year olds.

As for a new assistant - I don't care if he's 93 years old and he rides in on a scooter or if he's 19 and wears those stupid looking long, baggy pants - just as long as he can recruit. You get 'em in here and I guarantee you, Tubby will do the rest.

[blueblood]

Mark Blueblood,

How can you guarantee that 'Tubby will do the rest'? He couldn't teach the people he has had to do what it takes consistantly.



RP......

Yeah, I know everyone I named is a head coach. Guess maybe I'm just dreaming, I think what we really need isa NEWHEAD COACH!!! Let's face it Rick Patino left BIG SHOES to fill, but there are coaches out there that wouldn't have to roll up 4 or 5 pairs of socks to stuff the toes like Tubby does. As an assistant coach, he was fine. At Georgia, he did well. However, he has not performed up to the standards of UK basketball. He can't even say he had a major influence on the National Championship team he inherited from Rick Patino.

[trublue4life]

Will Lavender wrote: I sort of like the idea of Kyle Macy.

Somebody mentioned awhile back that we need a more "family"-oriented atmosphere at UK. Duke has that; their entire coaching staff is made up of former players. Seems to me that would create a more tightly-knit environment among the team. Anytime they play without focus, Macy could step in and tell them first-hand what wearing that jersey means. And, like Reggie Hanson should be able to do, he could speak pridefully of our tradition and maybe sell the kids better on that tradition.
The problem with your reasoning Will is that, according to Buddah, the new coaches can't be friends with Tubby. Don't you realize anyone who Tubby likes can't possibly be a good coach or recruiter. And, anyone who was not a success at a low-level mid-major like Morehead can't possibly be an effective recruiter either. Nevermind that anyone who's been successful as a head coach is not exactly looking to be an assistant. We need someone with Hollywood good looks, the energy of an aerobics instructor who has won a couple of conference titles at their former job but wants to go backwards in their career track AND someone Tubby doesn't like. Actually, we should just hire Buddah.:rolleyes:

[Buddah]

Lost Highway wrote:
Buddah is so right.Â* You must think outside of the box.Â*Â* Forget the "family".Â* Kentucky should identify the best two or three recruiters in college basketball and go after them.Â* If they are on the North Carolina staff or Kansas staff or Podunk U staff and they are the best, go after them.Â* Make them an offer they can't refuse.

The Cats need a recruiter that knows how to evaluate talent, can sell the product "Kentucky basketball" to this talent and close the deal.Â* They need someone who has worked the high school camps, attended the summer games, visited the best high schools in the country and is known around the neighborhood so to speak.Â*

Face it, Kentucky is not going to return to elite status by having someone in the family talk about the good old days.Â* Even Kentucky high school players don't know much about the good old days.Â* Current high school players were very young when UK last went to a final four.Â*Â* Sure members of the "family" could recruit posters on the WCN but recruiting a kid out of Miami, or Los Angeles or Atlanta takes a little more than talking about 1948,49,51,58,78,96 or 98.Â* Heck a doubt a single high school player can tell you who the last consensus All-American was that played for Kentucky.Â* In fact, I doubt few posters on the WCN can name the last consensus All-American.

Buddah, is right once more.Â* Heck that is becoming a habit for the young man, he seems to get it right about 99.9% of the time.Â*Â*Â*Â*


Thank you Lost Highway, I don't know if it is becoming a habit for me being right, but it does shock me as the lack of understanding on some things by some. As this thread demonstrates, some people really give credence to the idea of a head coach becoming an asstiant here, donovan, ford, pel, aren't coming here to be an asst, no matter the title.. lmao

I mean Tulane didn't even had a program for a while, who is to say Finney is going to fix what hurts us. Same with Rod Barnes. Mike Davis can recruit. Kyle Macy's only experience is at an OVC school that he failed horribly at. AS another poster pointed out, if a Kentucky "legend" can't recruit at Morehead, what makes you think he will do it here. I am not totally against UK hiring someone in the family, but at least get someone who kids can relate too, DA, Mash, Walker, Delk, but there is so many good choices out there. For once, i wish Tubby would shock us. he is so predicitable. i am hopeing and wishing he will make true changes, not just window dressing with more friends that want to pad their retirement, while sitting on our bench.

You could hire Mash, and then look outside the family to help with offense. If it is just going to be a hire of a buddy that needs help, then might as well keep what we have. FInney, Barnes, Macy.... That doesn't help with our needs nor does it address anything with the offense of what kills us.

THis is probably one of Tubby's last chances to finally get it right. If he fails or refuses to fully go underwater instead of just dipping his toe in the water, then he pretty much will never change and sealed his fate if we have another year like this one.


To bigblue 4 life, if you don't have anything to talk about the thread, please don't try to be personal with me. You do that alot and I am tired of it. The concept of outside the box thinking crosses out tubby lackey's. it also crosses out hero worship. Sorry. we have already been there and done that, why not try a new approach. as for hiring me, i have been told i have hollywood good looks, and i know i have alot of energy, never tried to channell it toward recruiting though, but would be willing to give it my best shot.

[Aike]

As a matter of fact I used to live in Morehead (from age 4 to 7, so I'm not sure that counts for anything). Also, my opinion on Macy is just that - my opinion. I respect the fact that you and others may feel differently. :)

Mark Blueblood wrote: Well crice, Bernadette Lock would certainly fit the mold of "maybe can recruit, but sure can't coach" types.

And Aike - you're being a little tough on Macy's ability to recruit. You ever been to Morehead?? And, on my few occasions of meeting the man, he was always very personable and humble. Maybe we caught him on different days.

Hobbs?? I like Hobbs, have always liked Hobbs - and, sorry you youngsters out there, but when it comes to coaching, I'll take an old war horse every time over a young, innovative "up and comer". Check it out - the programs that are there year after year are not being guided by 30 year olds.

As for a new assistant - I don't care if he's 93 years old and he rides in on a scooter or if he's 19 and wears those stupid looking long, baggy pants - just as long as he can recruit. You get 'em in here and I guarantee you, Tubby will do the rest.

[Caveman Catfan]

Hiring a millionaire ex-NBA star who has multiple business interests to oversee probably is not a good idea.

As to being predictable, I am not sure how predictable it was that Tubby hired Scott Rigot. Not that it was a good move, just not predictable.

Mike Davis probably will try to land with a mid-major or a smaller school as a HC. I could see him taking the North Iowa job of the Murray State job. If he is interested in being an assistant, he could be a good one for the cats.

I wonder how well-respected a guy like Sidney Green is? Programs like Mizzou and IU are losing not only HCs, but assistants. Tubby should be constantly paying attention to such things.

[T75]

I loved Macy as a UK player; I hated that little b.......rat, Mojo as a player.

But I think Tubby needs some excitement from his coaching bench so I'd rather see Mojo than Macy as a UK asst. coach---but I'd be tremendously surprised if I ever see either of them on a UK bench.

[VIIBanners]

Rex Champman. Plain and Simple!

[Buddah]

VIIBanners wrote:
Rex Champman. Plain and Simple!Â*

i would have said that, but given other events, right or wrong, there is just too much baggage with that selection right now.

[Buddah]

we should not restrict ourselves, and be open to anyone from the college or even the high school levels.. there are some pretty good coaches at well known high school programs, as well that are affilated with the camps and on a national level. Steve Smith from Oak Hill, would be an obivous choice. He, for all his hype, a high school coach with a high school coaches salary. Nothing compared to what he would make here as an asstiant. Throw a nice chunk of change, he is from Kentucky as well. He is known around the camps, and has obvious connections. Talk about relating to prep players, where do all the great prep players go to get away from it all, Oak Hill Academy.

In fact, I remember when Billy left UK, i have a tape of the Rick Pitino show, the last one from that season. They ask him who he is considering and he said he was looking at a high school coach from another state, that he was very impressed with. Of course we ended up with Jim Oberin, but i can't help but think. who that high school coach was that caught Rick's eye, i have no proof but i bet it was steve smith.

[Buddah]

Also, one of the worst mistakes i think we made, was not snatching pel away from Donovan. Also another great young recruiter, who is now a head coach was Mick Cronnin. should have snagged him away from cincy and the other place before he went to murry state. Steve Lavin is obivously a good recruiter, he recruited the UCLA championship team, but i would rather stay away from anyone affilated with Harrick. there are a few other division two coaches as well.

[Will Lavender]

Buddah wrote:

Thank you Lost Highway, I don't know if it is becoming a habit for me being right, but it does shock me as the lack of understanding on some things by some.

:shock:

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[Buddah]

Will Lavender wrote:
Buddah wrote:

Thank you Lost Highway, I don't know if it is becoming a habit for me being right, but it does shock me as the lack of understanding on some things by some.

:shock:


Prespective and context.... I understand hero worship clouds judgement, but to think that john pelphery, Billy Donovan, Sendak would leave head coaching jobs to come back here is silly.

What do i lack understanding on Will. Tubby's "transation" game ?

[Buddah]

Steve Smith for asst coach, taking rigot place.

[Old Blue]

I say if Pelphrey doesn't get the Ole Miss job, you bite the bullet and hire him as associate head coach at 1/2 a mil a year. That's got to be more than he's making now, and you can do it with the understanding that the HC job is his when Tubby retires. We all know the guy bleeds blue in his heart, that he can flat out recruit (and will probably recruit even more passionately back at UK), that he can help our offense and our intensity and pride, that he can help us against Florida, and that he just might take it if he thought that would give him a leg up on Travis and others in the post-Tubby UK coaching derby. He might not be interested, but hey, if you don't at least swing for the fences, you'll never hit a home run.

[ares]

I agree with the Pelphry thought. Don't know how eager he would be to be an associate head man but it would be great grooming him to take over down the road. The guy can recruit sharpen his coaching skills and whoop there it is. I don't think he would go for it but it is nice to dream.

[Buddah]

Old Blue wrote:
I say if Pelphrey doesn't get the Ole Miss job, you bite the bullet and hire him as associate head coach at 1/2 a mil a year.Â* That's got to be more than he's making now, and you can do it with the understanding that the HC job is his when Tubby retires.Â* We all know the guy bleeds blue in his heart, that he can flat out recruit (and will probably recruit even more passionately back at UK), that he can help our offense and our intensity and pride, that he can help us against Florida, and that he just might take it if he thought that would give him a leg up on Travis and others in the post-Tubby UK coaching derby.Â* He might not be interested, but hey, if you don't at least swing for the fences, you'll never hit a home run.


That is the only scenerio i can see happening in terms of a head guy coming. though you are correct, it would help in all the needed areas, i just don't see how probable it is. I don't know how common associate head coaches are... does anyone know ? i still think it is better to go with a great recruiter such as a Steve Smith and then go for another asst to help with offense. though we probably won't end up with either and be back with our staff fully intact.

[audacious1]

For our recruiting assistant, all that matters is:

Energy Salesmanship
whether the person plays or has coached basketball is really less important for this position.

[Mark Blueblood]

Gee Buddah - I love your assumptions. Especially the one about Steve Smith being a great recruiter on the college level. Uhhh - just where did you get your information on this?

And blueblood - by my statement "Tubby will do the rest" I meant - don't worry - you get the players and he can do the coaching. Should you doubt his ability to do so, I am forced to wonder what spaceship brought you in from what planet the day before yesterday?

Oh, that's right - we don't count his recent 3 year stretch as winningest coach in college basketball. We only count this season when he coached a team for 14 games with no quality big man - played undersized all year and was only able to reach "mid season" form by tournament time. I tell ya what, though - that mid season form looked pretty good to me on Sunday afternoon. I wonder what it would have looked like had Morris got to play all year?

[Buddah]

Mark Blueblood wrote:
Gee Buddah - I love your assumptions. Especially the one about Steve Smith being a great recruiter on the college level. Uhhh - just where did you get your information on this?



About the same place you and others got your information that a has been like rod barnes or kyle macy can recruit and make us into an elite program. Who knows, thats the only purpose of outside the box thinking, maybe he can, maybe he can't. However, given the fact we need a major shakeup on recuriting and even offense, the only way you get that is take a chance. What's the alternative, we get to enjoy another year like this one? Do i think we will get that type of shake up, no not really, too many non contary thinkers out there and sadly, i would put tubby in that group. Steve Smith knows alot of high school coaches, and of course alot of high school players. May fall flat on his face, but who are we going to compare him too, scott rigot ? reggie hanson ? yea boy, they are really tearing it up out there. Reggie in particular never had ANY experiences coaching , so your arguement is neturalized. It is no more outlandish to suggest that a high school coach like Steve Smith could be a good recruiter as it is in saying that a divison two football coach, who coached in finland could lead the NCAA D 1 A in passing and total offense with walk on quaterbacks, we know that wouldn't happen, in a million years.

Mark your a good ol boy, as i have said before, but being anti everything just because it isn't the status quo, gets kind of tiring.. i honeslty don't think your like that, just want to project the apperence of such.

[cnice11]

i kind of agree with you there. I think he could recruit. I think one of Macy's, i wouldn't necessarily call it faults, was he played a fairly tough schedule outside of the OVC. He played a lot of the top tier teams. I think everyone would agree that Morehead isnt a top tier team.

[trublue4life]

Buddah wrote:

Kyle Macy's only experience is at an OVC school that he failed horribly at. AS another poster pointed out, if a Kentucky "legend" can't recruit at Morehead, what makes you think he will do it here.


To bigblue 4 life, if you don't have anything to talk about the thread, please don't try to be personal with me. You do that alot and I am tired of it. The concept of outside the box thinking crosses out tubby lackey's. it also crosses out hero worship. Sorry. we have already been there and done that, why not try a new approach. as for hiring me, i have been told i have hollywood good looks, and i know i have alot of energy, never tried to channell it toward recruiting though, but would be willing to give it my best shot.Buddah, the problem with your idea of "outside the box thinking" is that anything you might consider as valid has to fit into your little box! I wasn't being personal with you, just using sarcasm to point out what, IMO, is your ridiculous line of reasoning. You suggest that anyone Tubby might be friends with can't possibly be a good hire which is a ridiculous and narrow-minded assumption. You then make a blanket statement about Macy like the one above calling him a miserable failure when he actually recruited some top of the line players at Morehead like Ricky Minnard and Chez Marks, both of whom can make a living playing basketball, not exactly a common characteristic of Morehead alumns. This year Macy had four projected starters never make it to the beginning of practice because of injuries and other school-related problems. As another poster pointed out he played an incredibly tough non-conference schedule every year in order to get the guarantee money because he coached at an underfunded program even by OVC standards. Two seasons ago he was on the verge of an NCAA bid but lost a tough one in the conference tourney finals. So, for you to call him a miserable failure only points out, IMO, your lack of proper perspective. So, don't tell me I'm adding nothing to the thread. Confronting your distorted logic regarding all-things-Tubby, IMO, adds a much needed perspective to practically every observation you make from inside the cozy confines of your own little box. BTW, it's "trublue4life", not "bigblue 4 life". If you want to call me out at least get the username right.

[Buddah]

You have totally taken everything i said out of context. What's worse is you still don't get it. Look, when a certain approach doesn't work, why do we repeat it? So you believe friends such as Rod Barnes & Kyle Macy will get this program back on its footing in becoming a national & elite programs like Duke & UConn and get us top five recruiting classes. I tend to disagree, and i think facts back me up. As Lost high way and many many others know and have said, most kids have no clue who kyle macy is/was, nor do they probably care. He won 4 games this year, has had one moderately sucessful season. Sure he had some tough going with the starters, but look over the whole body of his work, with the exclusion of Minard falling on his lap and his sr season. there are other variables, but in my opinion kyle macy isn't the answer. there are much much better choices than kyle macy, if he was a good choice, then bring him on board, he isn't and anyone who thinks so, is probably wearing big blue tinted glasses from the 70s.. the problem with tubby's friends isn't because they are his friends, its because there are better alternatives and choices. David Hobbs, Scott Rigot, Reggie, aren't getting it done.

By the same token, your worship of all things tubby isn't the answer either. I want Tubby to succeed, to go from a swell guy like cousin oliver to becoming greg brady and the leader of the band. Just because he is friends with them, shouldn't disqualify them, but usually his buddies have nowhere else to turn, shawn finney, david hobbs, barnes, just need somewhere to go. I personally want a hungry young asst who wants to make a name for himself.

You are right it is all about prespective, and this program needs fresh ideas and prespectives. the only people that trouble seeing it are the ardent supporters right or wrong. i am open to any and all approaches, in regards to coaches and anything else in life. but we have already done it with the buddies needing anything to pad the retirement. We can naunce and nit pick every little thing to justify a hiring. I tend to look at the bread and butter, seeing someone who has brought in quality classes, someone that can teach offense, someone that may not even coach in college, but who has alot of connection. define outside the box thinking. can i ask that you not bring this thread down ?

let's just sit back and see, and then we can come back to it. people just think differently, that isn't a bad thing. the difference though, i wanted bill curry fired years before he finally was, i trusted him far too long. yes this isn't about football, but the point is that devotion is blind sometimes.

[PsychoCat]

Enough with the talking down to each other and stay on topic please...the rest of us dont want to have to read it

[TrueblueCATfan]

crice561 wrote: One of Pitino's greatest hires was Bernadette Locke. The players really liked her and I remember Mash saying that was one of the reasons he chose UK. Im not saying Tubby should hire her, but maybe another attractive female coach.

Another name to through out there would be good ole Richey Farmer, one of the unforgetables.
wasn't she the reason Our women's program fell and Barnhart hired Mickie Demoss to come in and restore it..........

[Lost Highway]

crice561 wrote: One of Pitino's greatest hires was Bernadette Locke. The players really liked her and I remember Mash saying that was one of the reasons he chose UK. Im not saying Tubby should hire her, but maybe another attractive female coach.

Another name to through out there would be good ole Richey Farmer, one of the unforgetables.

Bernadette was a looker alright but she couldn't coach and fell on her face. Now if the Cats are looking for an attractive female to lead them back to greatness, look no further than Debra LaFaye. She needs a job and she definately has the goods to sell. She would fit right in at Wildcat Lodge.

[Caveman Catfan]

Buddah wrote: Will Lavender wrote:
Buddah wrote:

Thank you Lost Highway, I don't know if it is becoming a habit for me being right, but it does shock me as the lack of understanding on some things by some.

:shock:


Prespective and context.... I understand hero worship clouds judgement, ...


How areRick Pitino andMike Leach doing? ;)