Gillispie's Hits & Misses

[Cooter74]

As of today I see Gillispies recruiting broken down as follows:

07 Recruits

Patterson = Hit (Enough said)

Legion = Miss (Talent was there but no one could have planned for Mommy)

08 Recruits

Galloway = Hit (all indications say this kid will be a player)
Liggins = Hit(If he can get qualified)
Haralleson = Hit(Solid player will fill a void at the center position)
Miller - Hit(Has good to great potential)

09 Recurits

GJ Vilarino = Miss(has dropped like a 10 ton boulder)
Jon Hood = Hit(Should be an All American)

10 Recruits

Ross-Miller = Miss(see GJ Vilarino)
Euton = Miss(see Ross Miller)
Ferguson = Hit(Its seems everyone can agree on this one)

Recruits younger than this are impossible to get a handle on so we will have to wait and see weather they are hits or misses. So with 7 Hits and 4 Misses Gillispie is batting a respectable 63.6 %. Good recruiting but certainly not great. It seems Gillispie is missing the boat when he lets kids give a commiment to early in the process.

[sardiscat]

Have you personally seen Vilarino, Ross-Miller, or Euton play so much as a minute of basketball? Calling guys who haven't even started their senior years in high school recruiting misses is easily the most ridiculous thing I've seen on this board.

[KYISSUPREME]

As of today I see Gillispies recruiting broken down as follows:

07 Recruits

Patterson = Hit (Enough said)

Legion = Miss (Talent was there but no one could have planned for Mommy)

08 Recruits

Galloway = Hit (all indications say this kid will be a player)
Liggins = Hit(If he can get qualified)
Haralleson = Hit(Solid player will fill a void at the center position)
Miller - Hit(Has good to great potential)

09 Recurits

GJ Vilarino = Miss(has dropped like a 10 ton boulder)
Jon Hood = Hit(Should be an All American)

10 Recruits

Ross-Miller = Miss(see GJ Vilarino)
Euton = Miss(see Ross Miller)
Ferguson = Hit(Its seems everyone can agree on this one)

Recruits younger than this are impossible to get a handle on so we will have to wait and see weather they are hits or misses. So with 7 Hits and 4 Misses Gillispie is batting a respectable 63.6 %. Good recruiting but certainly not great. It seems Gillispie is missing the boat when he lets kids give a commiment to early in the process.

I think somebody's jumping the gun. I am not going to say a recruit is a "hit" or a "miss" until they at least get to college and play.

[Blue Heaven]

I think somebody's jumping the gun. I am not going to say a recruit is a "hit" or a "miss" until they at least get to college and play.
I'm not going to get into hits and misses when our coach has been here a little over 15 months.

[Cooter74]

Have you personally seen Vilarino, Ross-Miller, or Euton play so much as a minute of basketball? Calling guys who haven't even started their senior years in high school recruiting misses is easily the most ridiculous thing I've seen on this board.

Read the beginning of the post it is says as of today.

[sardiscat]

So, as of today, have you ever personally seen Vilarino, Ross-Miller, or Euton play?

[matt colvin]

Read the beginning of the post it is says as of today.

It is difficult to gauge the players of tomorrow, today. No '08 player can be called hit or miss yet, as the pitch is yet to be thrown.

I expect a great avg. out of that class, whose roster is still not yet known.

[RaleighCat]

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[TrueblueCATfan]

How can we label these kids a hit or miss when they have not even played their first game in a UK uniform

[Cooter74]

So, as of today, have you ever personally seen Vilarino, Ross-Miller, or Euton play?

I don't have to watch this guys play personally. Ever report coming out of the summer camps say that Vilarino, Ross-Miller & Euton are not high major division 1 talents. Gillispie jumped the gun and now he'll have to live with the consequences.

[leroybyrd]

I don't have to watch this guys play personally. Ever report coming out of the summer camps say that Vilarino, Ross-Miller & Euton are not high major division 1 talents. Gillispie jumped the gun and now he'll have to live with the consequences.

You are flat out wrong on this. There are mixed reports on Villarino and Miller.

Premature is the perfect description for this thread.

Whose jumping the gun???

[sardiscat]

"I don't have to watch this guys play personally. Ever report coming out of the summer camps say that Vilarino, Ross-Miller & Euton are not high major division 1 talents. Gillispie jumped the gun and now he'll have to live with the consequences."

If you haven't seen them play personally, your opinion is worth nothing.

[matt colvin]

Cooter74 brings out an interesting point when he said he didn't have to watch guys play personally. I believe that's why I really don't get too awful down when a player isn't necessarily rated as the 5 star prime time player that we want at each position and as back-ups. I just don't get to see too many of these guys play other than videos and such, which often show very little other than a dunk or two.

As such, I really try to look at a player's body of work, their level of competition, and some of their most often appearing descriptions. Hopefully these can point to whether or not the player might be able to fit in at this school. By that I mean that the experience on the big stage is there, the work ethic is there, there is a good enough foundation to build necessary skills off of, etc.

But most of all, I keep an open mind. We all want to gauge these guys, and predict their stats (well some of us on the stats front!). But we often blind ourselves in the process, and miss out on some of the more special parts of the game. Such as how a player develops, or even if they're working hard or not.

I'm most guilty of doing this with Joe Crawford, who I was convinced would be our next DA. I stayed at least frustrated with him, on average, for his first 3 years here. This senior year, things worked out much better, and we saw what he was capable of. But my own selfish desires clouded what I was actually watching, influenced my opinions, and caused me to dismiss what was probably a heck of a lot better effort than I would have admitted earlier.

In short, while it is impossible to not want to see into the future of a future recruit, we might be best served by keeping an open mind until their first season begins. It's only fair to the players.

[scfcats]

Ross-Miller = Miss(see GJ Vilarino)


I don't know man, he gets mixed review and seems to be ranked all over the place. I think he's going to be great personally, never seen him play, but everyone says he is under control and plays with a level head.

[Will Lavender]

Hilarious thread. :icon_mrgreen:

The only recruit I sort of worry about is Vilarino (and possibly Euton), but we're a looooooooooooooooong way from calling any of these kids a "miss." Good Lord.

I'm with everyone else. How in the world is a recruit a miss if he's never put on a Kentucky uniform?

[RxRusty]

Hilarious thread. :icon_mrgreen:

I'm with everyone else. How in the world is a recruit a miss if he's never put on a Kentucky uniform?

Totally agree but I'll add...
How can a kid miss when he hasn't even put on a high school junior uniform?!?

[Blue 24/7]

It's funny that many of you felt that (and I hate to bring up the name) Hunter was a miss (or pass) because of these same type reports on him. He couldn't be UK caliber because he had no stars and was unrecognized. So don't be too hard on the op. Understanding that the 'only' difference is BCG's evaluation of them all. BCG says these guys are UK caliber though some outsiders disagree. Because I have more faith in BCG, than myself, to evaluate the types of players he wants to coach, I will go with his opinion on these 'misses' seven days a week. But I won't be slamming cooter74 for an understandable 'opinion'.

[Will Lavender]

It's funny that many of you felt that (and I hate to bring up the name) Hunter was a miss (or pass) because of these same type reports on him. He couldn't be UK caliber because he had no stars and was unrecognized. So don't be too hard on the op. Understanding that the 'only' difference is BCG's evaluation of them all. BCG says these guys are UK caliber though some outsiders disagree. Because I have more faith in BCG, than myself, to evaluate the types of players he wants to coach, I will go with his opinion on these 'misses' seven days a week. But I won't be slamming cooter74 for an understandable 'opinion'.

Difference there is that Hunter McClintock was a completely unranked senior/rising college freshman.

Euton and Ross-Miller haven't played a game into their junior years of high school, and both those players have been mentioned/invited to/played well in more than a few AAU events. Vilarino of course hasn't played a game into his senior year, and while there are probably more doubts about him, I have seen some positive things.

There was virtually nothing on McClintock until YouTube-gate, and that was after he had played every second of high school basketball he was eligible to play.

[UKhoov]

There was virtually nothing on McClintock until YouTube-gate

Youtube-gate...I laughed when I read that.

A wee bit early to call hit or miss on any of these guys...there is a ton of time for these guys to work on their game and even then when the step on campus all they will be doing is getting better, regardless of what the scouting services say coming in.

[Adolph Rollingover]

I have seen Euton play several times and UK fans will love him. He is sweating like a madman coming out of the locker room. He has a gret nose for the ball and he can flat out shoot.

[countrycat]

I think we should make BCG recruit only 5 star player so the original poster will be happy.http://www.wildcatnation.net/forum/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.wildcatnation.net/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

[SouthwestWildcat]

As of today I see Gillispies recruiting broken down as follows:

07 Recruits

Patterson = Hit (Enough said)

Legion = Miss (Talent was there but no one could have planned for Mommy)

08 Recruits

Galloway = Hit (all indications say this kid will be a player)
Liggins = Hit(If he can get qualified)
Haralleson = Hit(Solid player will fill a void at the center position)
Miller - Hit(Has good to great potential)

09 Recurits

GJ Vilarino = Miss(has dropped like a 10 ton boulder)
Jon Hood = Hit(Should be an All American)

10 Recruits

Ross-Miller = Miss(see GJ Vilarino)
Euton = Miss(see Ross Miller)
Ferguson = Hit(Its seems everyone can agree on this one)

Recruits younger than this are impossible to get a handle on so we will have to wait and see weather they are hits or misses. So with 7 Hits and 4 Misses Gillispie is batting a respectable 63.6 %. Good recruiting but certainly not great. It seems Gillispie is missing the boat when he lets kids give a commiment to early in the process.

Where is Pilgrim? Forget about that one???????

Euton will be every bit as advanced as Harrelson when he comes in. Remember, Euton has another year of being close to the program and will grow as a player. Harrelson has only been playing for a few years. If you watched any games over the past few years, it should be obvious what BCG and the crew can do for a player. Think about Joe C. and Bradley if they had been coached for 4 years under BCG's direction. Things would have certainly been different. For those that do not want to buy into what BCG is selling or do not want to put in the effort, they can follow Legion or Jasper elsewhere, right?

As for Ross-Miller and GJ-- you have to withhold judgement. Why you ask???? Ross-Miller scores 20 points a game and is still young. He has talent albeit possibly misguided at this point. As for GJ, if he can handle the ball, score 6-8 points a game, dish out 6-8 assists and play good defense-- he will be welcomed here. That does not seem too far out of the possibilities for him. Also, take a look at the players that BCG is going after (Ferguson, Orton, Hood etc.)-- and then ask yourself, "How many basketballs do we have to pass around?"-- BCG is going after good wing players and big men, throw in a shooter or two and tell me how much you rely on the PG to score.

Until they suit, sit back and enjoy the ride.

Next!

[msumner835]

I don't have to watch this guys play personally. Ever report coming out of the summer camps say that Vilarino, Ross-Miller & Euton are not high major division 1 talents. Gillispie jumped the gun and now he'll have to live with the consequences.

Cooter 74= miss! Way too early to make these assumptions

[Mark Blueblood]

Have you personally seen Vilarino, Ross-Miller, or Euton play so much as a minute of basketball? Calling guys who haven't even started their senior years in high school recruiting misses is easily the most ridiculous thing I've seen on this board.

Agreed.

I remember, as a high schooler in the Stone Age, a guy from Covington Grant High School that, when he was a sophomore and junior, couldn't walk and chew chewing gum at the same time. NObody was looking at this kid. As a Senior, he went toe to toe with Wes Unseld in the state tournament - got a scholarship from Marshall and ended up in the ABA for a few years. Guy's name was George Stone.

I know there are legions of others that could be mentioned here. But, anyway....waaayyyy too early to tell about these kids.

[jkeller]

The only two on that list that you could possibly judge a hit or miss is Patterson and Legion, because we have actually been able to see what they have done (or not done, in Legion's case) for the program. The others are question marks. Who's to say that Ross-Miller won't develop into a can't miss All-American? Who's to say that Harrellson won't have trouble adjusting to D1 (though I hope not) and contribute only sparingly? Who's to say that Vilarino can't be a solid and reliable contributer at the point guard position and lead us to a championship? And who's to say that Ferguson doesn't blow out both of his knees in a pickup game and never be the same again (God forbid)?

Before actually playing at UK Legion, Rashaad Carruth, and Jason Parker were all considered major hits. In hindsight we can see that they were all three misses. That's why it takes actually seeing the kid play in a UK uniform to know whether his scholarship was put to good use or not.

[misterbluecat]

Cooter 74= miss! Way too early to make these assumptions

^ Made me waffle.:icon_mrgreen:

[billoliver40]

I don't have to watch this guys play personally. Ever report coming out of the summer camps say that Vilarino, Ross-Miller & Euton are not high major division 1 talents. Gillispie jumped the gun and now he'll have to live with the consequences.

I'm gathering that you're talking about if these kids started today.
Well....that's fair enough. What separates teams a lot of times is what the players become, how they develop....

Coaches need someone on their staff, or themselves, to have a knack for
seeing abilities in a player that can be developed.

A kid like Ferguson or Orton...lotta folks are talking NBA caliber already...no brainer. Patterson was the same.
Trick comes in picking out a kid that is more of a raw talent...late bloomer,
played in small venues, no competition, you name it. Some of those kids
get overwhelmed when they first hit the big boys. The coaches look for
what might be hidden....example: I never saw Hunter Mc play...but the
report was that he had talent...but didn't have the knack for reading the
floor or getting the other players involved....not a great choice if you need a point guard tomorrow.
KC Ross-Miller and Villarino....who knows? R-M has some great stats, especially the turnover/assist ratio. Euton? Seems to big a big, raw-boned kid with some skills....not a real animal on the boards, even with his
size, heard he had a pretty good touch....but part of his downplaying could be he wasn't yet NBA material...and honestly, might never be.
Most kids aren't. A lot of those kids make pretty nice college players.
Reggie Hanson, Deron Feldhouse, John Pelphrey, Eric Daniels and quite
a few others never set the NBA scouts on fire. Sure glad they came here,
though.

All I'm saying is that while some of these guys are probably NOT ready to
put on the blue and start today, I want to wait and see what they bring
to the table when they're late sophs or juniors.

[BigBlue75]

I don't have to watch this guys play personally. Ever report coming out of the summer camps say that Vilarino, Ross-Miller & Euton are not high major division 1 talents. Gillispie jumped the gun and now he'll have to live with the consequences.

So, apart from the reports coming out of summer camp, on what basis and using what other criteria are you basing these assertions of yours? You're entitled to your opinion, but MY opinion is you're not being fair, either to the players coming in or to Coach Gillispie.

[wildcatcrazy]

I'll get shot down for this but without some gain in height, Dakotah Euton will never be a "very good" player at UK. He does not have the foot-speed to compete at that level.

I hope I am wrong.

[bleedblu]

Cooter74 is one of these fans that can never be satisfied! To me its the coach that makes a players We will never know what these guys will be like until they get their chance. BCG has a role for these guys in mind.

[SouthwestWildcat]

I'll get shot down for this but without some gain in height, Dakotah Euton will never be a "very good" player at UK. He does not have the foot-speed to compete at that level.

I hope I am wrong.

I hear what you are saying. Mark Pope and Lob Rocke (oops, Rob Locke) didn't contribute anything either, right?

Sit back and see what happens. I think he will far exceed any expectations that you have for him at this point. Once he blocks a shot or knocks down a game winning three, you will be the first to say, "See, I told you he was going to be good for KY." Not every school (for that matter, not any school) has a group of nothing but 5* players. It takes all kinds of players to be successful. You can talk about foot speed, height, ball handling etc. but I am sure there is not one of us that would trade Farmer, Woods, Pelphrey or Feldhaus. Outside of Woods, you could have made the same arguments about the KY boys. Don't under estimate "heart" and what it means to a person.

Okay, I am done with you now too.

Next!

[Cooter74]

So what you guys are basically saying that if Gillispie offered scholarships to all five starters for St. Marys School for the Blind you guys would be okay with it because you trust Gillispie's judgement. You guys are the same people that kept waiting for Sherray Thomas & Woo to become stars.

[Will Lavender]

So what you guys are basically saying that if Gillispie offered scholarships to all five starters for St. Marys School for the Blind you guys would be okay with it because you trust Gillispie's judgement. You guys are the same people that kept waiting for Sherray Thomas & Woo to become stars.

Hyperbole.

And how do you know players like Ross-Miller and Euton are going to turn out like Sheray and Woo? What if they turn out like Anthony Epps and Scott Padgett, two relatively unranked players? This is the whole point: you believe you already have them pegged, when those two players haven't even begun their junior years of high school. Unbelievable.

The fact is that it's all speculation. The very idea of a "miss" at this point is, as someone said above, completely paradoxical. You can't miss something you never tried to hit; these kids haven't even had a shot yet, and you're already giving up on them. It's treating the Star System as if it's the same thing as on-the-court performance, and it isn't that.

And going on, a kid like KC Ross-Miller is not even ranked poorly in the star system. He's by all accounts a borderline top 150 player. Since when did players who are almost in the 150 become "misses"? We've entered a strange time in college sports when we view recruiting rankings as if they're in-game statistics...

[Adolph Rollingover]

I hear what you are saying. Mark Pope and Lob Rocke (oops, Rob Locke) didn't contribute anything either, right?

Sit back and see what happens. I think he will far exceed any expectations that you have for him at this point. Once he blocks a shot or knocks down a game winning three, you will be the first to say, "See, I told you he was going to be good for KY." Not every school (for that matter, not any school) has a group of nothing but 5* players. It takes all kinds of players to be successful. You can talk about foot speed, height, ball handling etc. but I am sure there is not one of us that would trade Farmer, Woods, Pelphrey or Feldhaus. Outside of Woods, you could have made the same arguments about the KY boys. Don't under estimate "heart" and what it means to a person.

Okay, I am done with you now too.

Next!
wish I could repost all the "Tubby does not recruit Kentucky boy" comments. Euton is pure will and grit and he is a UK boy. He will be a fan favorite because of his all-out hustle and has ability make shots.

[grillman]

I'm not defending cooter ,but he did say according to the scouting reports, I think that the reason we get mixed reports is that when a player commits to ky there are reporting agency's out there that dismiss those players as a way to mess with the greatest fans of ky. and with the wildcat faithful . They are hoping that these kids will read their reports and begin to doubt themselves and their abilities .

[Ukosumu]

Someone who has nothing invested in the program ranking players should only be used as a guide. In most cases a player can bring things to your program that the "experts" don't value. For example a PG who control the game and distributes the ball properly could be more valuable than a high scoring PG. A PF/C that plays D and rebounds may fit better than one that demands touches to contribute. Just my opinion.

[BigBlue75]

So what you guys are basically saying that if Gillispie offered scholarships to all five starters for St. Marys School for the Blind you guys would be okay with it because you trust Gillispie's judgement. You guys are the same people that kept waiting for Sherray Thomas & Woo to become stars.

Exaggerating the point is uncalled for and unnecessary. There's no need for all the hatefulness. You posted a comment and we responded to it. What has Coach Gillispie done to warrant this criticism?, especially since you're doing nothing more than speculating that his choices on who should get scholarships and who shouldn't is wrong, and you're doing that based on scouting reports. Reports on players who are still maturing, physically and emotionally, and who haven't even taken the practice court as a college player yet.

Scouting reports are nothing more than a guide and aren't ALWAYS a good indicator of how a kid will perform at the college level.

Yes, we trust Coach G's judgement, and for my part of it, he's done quite alright so far, as far as I'm concerned.

[SouthwestWildcat]

So what you guys are basically saying that if Gillispie offered scholarships to all five starters for St. Marys School for the Blind you guys would be okay with it because you trust Gillispie's judgement. You guys are the same people that kept waiting for Sherray Thomas & Woo to become stars.

What you are saying is that KY should have never recruited Mashburn. The knock on him as a 3* coming in was that he was lazy and uncoachable, and would not make it against the SEC calliber players. How did that turn out? At least that is what YOUR experts, that you rely so heavily on were saying.

Pretty ironic that you reference St. Mary's school for the blind. With your close minded approach and sky is falling attitude, you speak as if you attended St. Mary's yourself.

As for BCG, the answer is YES. I trust in whatever decisions he makes. At least until we start getting knocked out of first round every year or missing on talented players consistantly. I would then be a bit premature like yourself if I were ready to throw him under the bus for losing in the first round though. There is a guy who supposedly bought a farm in KY and was going to be our coach (remember him) that lost a lot of early round games but later went on to win back to back championships. What if Foley did not "trust" what Billy D. was doin?

Sit back and enjoy the ride we call Kentucky Basketball and more importantly, trust BCG. I may not always agree with some of his decisions but the way I approach it is having faith and trust in him. He has a method to his maddness and I am going reserve my judgements about him for a few years.

Things he has shown me since arriving was that he loves, works like a mad man, and more importantly has the passion and desire to be the best and win. With those traits, how can you not trust what decisions he makes.

[Cooter74]

Reality Check Time. What does Vilarino, Ross-Miller & Euton all have in common? Answer: They were all offered during there Freshman & Sophmore years in high school before they had a chace to develop into more refined players that you could get a better guage on. Why do you think the NBA implemented the 1 year waiting policy. It was to filter out players and prolong the evaluation process. Do you think Gillispie would still offer scholarships to these guys if he had to do it all over? The answer is no. Gillispie's new policy of not offering players a scholarship till there junior season will serve him well.

[tafcats]

I don't know man, he gets mixed review and seems to be ranked all over the place. I think he's going to be great personally, never seen him play, but everyone says he is under control and plays with a level head.

I would have to agree. I have heard similar things. It's way to early to grade hits and misses in my opinion. BG is doing a great job and Kentucky has a bright future. :thumbup:

[Will Lavender]

Gillispie's new policy of not offering players a scholarship till there junior season will serve him well.

There is no such policy. The NABC recommended not recruiting kids until their sophomore years.

Gillispie agreed to take the recommendation--and it was only that; not a policy at all--into account, but I guarantee you he's not going to allow other schools to beat him on players just because they're 15 years old.

[RCS]

So was Marvin Stone a hit? He came to UK ranked in the top 10. Was Marquis Estill a miss? He wasn't in the top 100. Nazr a miss? Daniels a miss? Carauth a hit? Legion came in highly ranked but I doubt he ever turns into a star. I don't say that because he left, I just was not terribly impressed with him in his little time here even disregarding his attitude.

I can see your point, and yes several kids that have committed to UK have either never been ranked high or have seen their rankings drop. We would all prefer it if every scout thought all our recruits were fantastic. I still feel pretty good about them though. Small PGs that are neither fantastic shooters or quick as a wistle are never ranked high but a lot of them end up being very good college point guards because they play under control and manage the game. I think both of these kids can do that. As for Euton, if he can grow a couple of more inches I think he can be a solid college player. He may not be fast enough to play in the NBA but there have been a lot of college kids that were very successful with below average foot speed.

[bnewt]

I have seen Euton play several times and UK fans will love him. He is sweating like a madman coming out of the locker room. He has a gret nose for the ball and he can flat out shoot.

I have seen Euton play several times, and have not been overly impressed. He must improve his quickness & jumping ability. His ability to shoot is a plus, but his lack of quickness will hurt him in the SEC. If he is able to play this season @ Scott County, everyone will be able to get a better idea of his abilities.

[JWORLD]

There is no such policy. The NABC recommended not recruiting kids until their sophomore years.

Gillispie agreed to take the recommendation--and it was only that; not a policy at all--into account, but I guarantee you he's not going to allow other schools to beat him on players just because they're 15 years old.


I hope not............

As was discussed a while back, what will make Gillispie different than our coaches of the past?

I really liked the fact that Gillispie has taken the recruiting level to a new level. To me, this was his was of innovating something new.The media jumped all over this and ran coach G in the mud while praising Donavon and his tactics.

Go figure.........

[Cooter74]

There is no such policy. The NABC recommended not recruiting kids until their sophomore years.

Gillispie agreed to take the recommendation--and it was only that; not a policy at all--into account, but I guarantee you he's not going to allow other schools to beat him on players just because they're 15 years old.

Let me make it easy for you Gillispie's new personal policy and i take him at his word that he will not offer kids until there Junior season. Why are you trying to imply that Gillispie is lying about this?

[Will Lavender]

Let me make it easy for you Gillispie's new personal policy and i take him at his word that he will not offer kids until there Junior season. Why are you trying to imply that Gillispie is lying about this?

I'm not implying anything. There's simply no "policy" in place. Gillispie said today in the SEC teleconfrence that he'd listened to the recommendation, but he wasn't going to sit idly by and watch teams outrecruit him, regardless of age. That's almost a direct quote.

And I was wrong about the NABC's recommendation. It suggests that coaches wait until a player finishes their 10th grade years.

[matt colvin]

I'm not implying anything. There's simply no "policy" in place. Gillispie said today in the SEC teleconfrence that he'd listened to the recommendation, but he wasn't going to sit idly by and watch teams outrecruit him, regardless of age. That's almost a direct quote.



Do you happen to know if that's archived somewhere? I'd like to listen to it.

[Will Lavender]

Do you happen to know if that's archived somewhere? I'd like to listen to it.

Not sure. Normally the UK website puts them up online, I think.

This was per Darrel Bird of TCP about 15 minutes ago.

No news on Liggins or Galloway, BTW.

[sardiscat]

"Let me make it easy for you Gillispie's new personal policy and i take him at his word that he will not offer kids until there Junior season. Why are you trying to imply that Gillispie is lying about this?"

Gillipsie has a still newer personal policy, apparently adopted since Donovan took Rivers, that he stated at the press conference today: "You'd like to do what the coaches ask, but I'm not going to sit by and let the competition get ahead of me, and you can take that anyway you want."

[BigBlue75]

Reality Check Time. What does Vilarino, Ross-Miller & Euton all have in common? Answer: They were all offered during there Freshman & Sophmore years in high school before they had a chace to develop into more refined players that you could get a better guage on. Why do you think the NBA implemented the 1 year waiting policy. It was to filter out players and prolong the evaluation process. Do you think Gillispie would still offer scholarships to these guys if he had to do it all over? The answer is no. Gillispie's new policy of not offering players a scholarship till there junior season will serve him well.

Reality Check time for YOU! No such policy exists. It was a recommendation by the NABC, it's not binding, and if I remember correctly, the recommendation was that coaches wait until a student athletes 10th grade year before any offers were put forth.

[BigBlue75]

I'm not implying anything. There's simply no "policy" in place. Gillispie said today in the SEC teleconfrence that he'd listened to the recommendation, but he wasn't going to sit idly by and watch teams outrecruit him, regardless of age. That's almost a direct quote.

And I was wrong about the NABC's recommendation. It suggests that coaches wait until a player finishes their 10th grade years.

My bad, Will. I essentially just said the same thing as you. I didn't read your post until after I had submitted mine. Sorry.

[Will Lavender]

My bad, Will. I essentially just said the same thing as you. I didn't read your post until after I had submitted mine. Sorry.

I think it actually says "End of 10th grade years," so this would suggest the NABC feels that recruiting juniors-to-be during their AAU and summer seasons is fair game.

[BigBlue75]

I think it actually says "End of 10th grade years," so this would suggest the NABC feels that recruiting juniors-to-be during their AAU and summer seasons is fair game.

Good point. I stand corrected. Thanks.:thumbup:

[poodoo]

I'm gathering that you're talking about if these kids started today.
Well....that's fair enough. What separates teams a lot of times is what the players become, how they develop....

Coaches need someone on their staff, or themselves, to have a knack for
seeing abilities in a player that can be developed.


All I'm saying is that while some of these guys are probably NOT ready to
put on the blue and start today, I want to wait and see what they bring
to the table when they're late sophs or juniors.

What a NICE response, billoliver40. :thumbup::thumbup: to you.

Too, while I agree with most here that it's too early to tell whether recruits are hits or misses, I hope we are careful not to begin to banter back and forth in a personal way. Reading on a son's premium board, I saw too much of that for me, for sure. In contrast, I love it here at WCN, where we try to be civil and respectful, even when we strongly disagree. We ALL surely want ALL of these commitments to be "hits." :)

By the way, in all fairness the OP did say, "I see" the recruits this particular way at this time. That means it is only his OPINION. My opinion, like most of yours, is that it's too early to tell. My opinion is also that Coach Gillispie and his staff give STELLAR efforts in recruiting, and :thumbup::thumbup: to them.

Specifically, FWIW, I enjoyed reading RxRusty's opinions about Ross-Miller on another thread. Rusty has actually seen Ross-Miller play, unlike most all of us. I feel much better about Ross-Miller's potential after reading his evaluation. :) GO CATS! GO COACH G!

[MTCAT]

Here's the link to the SEC coaches teleconference:

Listen to today's SEC Basketball Coaches Press Conference (http://stream.hostinteractive.com/links/sec/2008/07/2008_0716_bkm_telconf.asx)

Here's a link to the NABC site that specifies their announcement:

http://nabc.cstv.com/genrel/061908aab.html

[weedhopper41]

I think Cooter is full of it. You have to at least wait til they are in school playing before you can say they are a miss. I think if you give them a chance you will be surprised.

[ImForKy]

Do you happen to know if that's archived somewhere? I'd like to listen to it.

The audio link has already been posted in this thread, Matt, but, as I posted in the BASKETBALL forum, this is what coach G said about it:

When asked on Wednesday’s SEC teleconference about the NABC request, Gillispie said that all coaches have to recruit the best players they can.

“I’m a company man,” Gillispie said in reference to supporting the NABC. Then he added, But I’m not going to get beat up as far as competing.’

Gillispie said he wouldn’t sit on the sideline while his competitors offer scholarships to ever-younger prospects.

“Interpret that however you want to,” he said.

http://ukbasketball.kentucky.com/

[matt colvin]

ImForKy,

I found it and posted it shortly thereafter,

I certainly appreciate your info though.

Matt Colvin

[Wildcat97]

Hyperbole.

And how do you know players like Ross-Miller and Euton are going to turn out like Sheray and Woo? What if they turn out like Anthony Epps and Scott Padgett, two relatively unranked players? This is the whole point: you believe you already have them pegged, when those two players haven't even begun their junior years of high school. Unbelievable.

The fact is that it's all speculation. The very idea of a "miss" at this point is, as someone said above, completely paradoxical. You can't miss something you never tried to hit; these kids haven't even had a shot yet, and you're already giving up on them. It's treating the Star System as if it's the same thing as on-the-court performance, and it isn't that.

And going on, a kid like KC Ross-Miller is not even ranked poorly in the star system. He's by all accounts a borderline top 150 player. Since when did players who are almost in the 150 become "misses"? We've entered a strange time in college sports when we view recruiting rankings as if they're in-game statistics...

as it is faster and I will appear intelligent. Thanks Will for the unintentional coat tails...lol.

[wildcat_lover]

I think we scared off Cooter74 haha :shrug1: