Pulley charged with marijuana possession

[jwade]

Happened last month in Louisville. :icon_sad:

http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=8737818&nav=menu203_4


Jim

[Blue4ever]

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDIN' ME! :mad: How stupid.

[lribookend]

It sounds like there were two separate incidents, the MJ incident, and then the expired license or whatever issue......it doesn't look now that Pulley will be a major factor for UK this fall. This is terribly unfortunate for Curtis and for UK. Brooks reportedly said that there may be a reduction in playing time for Pulley.....that is a nice way to put it. Sounds like he may not be playing at all......too soon to speculate, of course, but it doesn't look good at this moment.............

[baldcat]

Hartline just moved up considerably in the QB battle.

Pulley isn't exactly demonstrating solid leadership from what I've read.

[Blue Bleeder1]

Well it sounds like to me we know now who the starter is going to be.:shock:

[Matt Dillon]

You think that's bad, he was arrested this past Tues. for traffic violations. I'd say this isn't helping his efforts to be the starting QB.

http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=8737818&nav=menu203_4

[Matt Dillon]

Pulley isn't exactly demonstrating solid leadership from what I've read.

Exactly.

[Matt Dillon]

To make bad matters worse, LEX18 quoted coach Brooks as saying he didn't know anything about this until LEX18 broke the story. I bet he's madder than a wet hen.

[Blue4ever]

Brooks reportedly said that there may be a reduction in playing time for Pulley.....that is a nice way to put it. Sounds like he may not be playing at all......too soon to speculate, of course, but it doesn't look good at this moment.............

Hey Curtis! Have fun with the Lexington Horsemen or the Louisville Fire (if they'll have you) because that's where you're headed.

[misterbluecat]

He has every right to be. Pulley is pissing away his opportunities and chances at UK. From every indication I have seen Hartline has been assuming a leadership role this offseason, while on the other hand Pulley is busy getting arrested. :icon_rolleyes:

[freethrow]

Sad news, but another good reason to legalize Pot, IMO. There is so much total bull said about Pot. My best bud has smoked it every single day for over 40 years and there isn't a darn thing wrong with his brain. Done my share my own self. Sure, he didn't overdue it too often and get totally wasted, but a buzz every day at least. It just sickens me that another probable good kid is going to suffer for much of his remaining life over this if they go after him strong enough. On the other hand, if he was just found drunk somewhere they would probably laugh it off as him just being a college kid. That, when booze is actually worse for you, IMO. Had too many close relatives and friends die due to it with destroyed livers and diabetes etc due to booze and a brain that wasn't up to par of what it once was. The laws, IMO, should be switched between the two, at least.

[TrueblueCATfan]

Happened last month in Louisville. :icon_sad:

http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=8737818&nav=menu203_4


Jim
..this is not good:mad:

[jpay]

remember that folks. Now that being said, in years past this would have been a season destroying happening. Not so anymore. Hartline becomes the starter which was probably going to happen anyway and Filder moves up to #2. Hope it works out for Curtis, but if not we move on. No player is bigger than the program...... I guess we find out a little bit how the Ville fans feel every year.

[Russ24ky]

sad news, but another good reason to legalize pot, imo. There is so much total bull said about pot. My best bud has smoked it every single day for over 40 years and there isn't a darn thing wrong with his brain. Done my share my own self. Sure, he didn't overdue it too often and get totally wasted, but a buzz every day at least. It just sickens me that another probable good kid is going to suffer for much of his remaining life over this if they go after him strong enough. On the other hand, if he was just found drunk somewhere they would probably laugh it off as him just being a college kid. That, when booze is actually worse for you, imo. Had too many close relatives and friends die due to it with destroyed livers and diabetes etc due to booze and a brain that wasn't up to par of what it once was. The laws, imo, should be switched between the two, at least.

wow

[jwade]

remember that folks. Now that being said, in years past this would have been a season destroying happening. Not so anymore. Hartline becomes the starter which was probably going to happen anyway and Filder moves up to #2. Hope it works out for Curtis, but if not we move on. No player is bigger than the program...... I guess we find out a little bit how the Ville fans feel every year.

Well, he's already plead guilty to the possession charge so there isn't an "innocent until proven guilty" angle on that issue. He's admitted guilt. The traffic charges are still pending the judicial process.


Jim

[AshlandTomcat41]

UGH! How many times does this have to happen to young athletes! How dissappointing!

[justacatsfan]

To make bad matters worse, LEX18 quoted coach Brooks as saying he didn't know anything about this until LEX18 broke the story. I bet he's madder than a wet hen.

Thats the straw that broke the camels back. Would not be the least bit suprised to see him enrolled in a DII before fall practice starts.

I just dont think CB will put up with not telling him AT ALL. He may have gotten suspeneded games etc, but the not telling may just coast him hos ride here.

[dougwhit]

put a fork in him he is done

[jpay]

Well, he's already plead guilty to the possession charge so there isn't an "innocent until proven guilty" angle on that issue. He's admitted guilt. The traffic charges are still pending the judicial process.


Jim Didn't realize that. Lets move on. I wish the young man well. Go Cats

[poodoo]

Jim, I have just felt sick since hearing the news on the WLAP show. :icon_sad: When will some kids ever learn what opportunities they are throwing away! Again, this news makes me sick. :icon_sad:

[gerntz]

Sad news, but another good reason to legalize Pot, IMO. There is so much total bull said about Pot. My best bud has smoked it every single day for over 40 years and there isn't a darn thing wrong with his brain. Done my share my own self. Sure, he didn't overdue it too often and get totally wasted, but a buzz every day at least. It just sickens me that another probable good kid is going to suffer for much of his remaining life over this if they go after him strong enough. On the other hand, if he was just found drunk somewhere they would probably laugh it off as him just being a college kid. That, when booze is actually worse for you, IMO. Had too many close relatives and friends die due to it with destroyed livers and diabetes etc due to booze and a brain that wasn't up to par of what it once was. The laws, IMO, should be switched between the two, at least.

Hey, I favor legalizing pot, but this incident is not a reason for doing so. What this is about is being responsible to your team whether you like society's current rules or not in return for the benefits you receive for doing so. It's a matter of self-discipline. No different than making grades & meeting bedtimes.

This is speculation, but perhaps CP realized or had been told his starting job was in jeopardy & this was his response to that pressure, i.e., he couldn't handle it. Don't know.

jb, are you still sure CP was in class & studying this summer & that's why he couldn't get the team together & lead drills as MH was doing?

PO'd isn't sufficient for how I feel about this situation.

[Redlegs]

I think Johnkyblue should be along any moment to mention the fact Curtis Pulley is in class. :icon_rolleyes:

These are the very things we have feared about Pulley. He has a chance to be a starting QB in the SEC and he fails to step up. Again.

[WildcatRick]

Hey, I favor legalizing pot, but this incident is not a reason for doing so. What this is about is being responsible to your team whether you like society's current rules or not in return for the benefits you receive for doing so. It's a matter of self-discipline. No different than making grades & meeting bedtimes.

This is speculation, but perhaps CP realized or had been told his starting job was in jeopardy & this was his response to that pressure, i.e., he couldn't handle it. Don't know.

jb, are you still sure CP was in class & studying this summer & that's why he couldn't get the team together & lead drills as MH was doing?

PO'd isn't sufficient for how I feel about this situation.

Couldnt agree more, gerntz. Whether it should or shouldnt be legalized is irrelevant. It is NOT legal now and he shouldnt have had it, period.

Sad news, he is a very talented young man and would have made major contributions whether he was named the starter or not. Very disappointing.

[gerntz]

After we counted on Aaron Miller after he left the team & came back & he then let us down at the last minute, I remembered and wondered if the same thing might happen with Curtis when he left & returned. I'd gotten over the thought but apparently I shouldn't have. We've been burned on this situation twice now.

We have to learn our lesson & not count on the leavers & returners until they've proven themselves thru an active season. Yes, he may still contribute this year(but I seriously doubt it), but rely on him? You tell me.

I suppose I'm being selfish thinking of the UK FB instead of him, but why do guys do this crap to their own futures? What a waste.

[UKGrad87]

Exactly.

This is exactly right. I have been for Pulley to win the starting QB role because of the perseverance he has shown with his academic struggles. However, when you are a leader in any organization you must always be aware of the impact of your actions on others and take responsibility for these actions. Pulley's failure to inform Coach Brooks speaks louder to his character than the arrest itself. He needs to move on.

[BigblueDrew]

Sad news, but another good reason to legalize Pot, IMO. There is so much total bull said about Pot. My best bud has smoked it every single day for over 40 years and there isn't a darn thing wrong with his brain. Done my share my own self. Sure, he didn't overdue it too often and get totally wasted, but a buzz every day at least. It just sickens me that another probable good kid is going to suffer for much of his remaining life over this if they go after him strong enough. On the other hand, if he was just found drunk somewhere they would probably laugh it off as him just being a college kid. That, when booze is actually worse for you, IMO. Had too many close relatives and friends die due to it with destroyed livers and diabetes etc due to booze and a brain that wasn't up to par of what it once was. The laws, IMO, should be switched between the two, at least.

As a substance abuse counselor for 30 years , I must say that I only agree with the first two words of your post. Your analogy about your friend reminds me of the old smoker that always falls back on the guy he knows that smoked 2 packs of Pall Malls a day for 40 years and had no effect. While possibly true he ignores the hundreds of thousands who are affected. Legalizing Cannabis would possibly be the worst public policy decision in US history.

[freethrow]

As a substance abuse counselor for 30 years , I must say that I only agree with the first two words of your post. Your analogy about your friend reminds me of the old smoker that always falls back on the guy he knows that smoked 2 packs of Pall Malls a day for 40 years and had no effect. While possibly true he ignores the hundreds of thousands who are affected. Legalizing Cannabis would possibly be the worst public policy decision in US history.

I am glad that you are an abuse counselor. They certainly are needed in this world. However, most that get addicted to alcohol or a particular drug do so because they "abuse" it. They can't live without it, in their minds. For many, the only way you can avoid addiction happening is to make just about everything with even the smallest potential of being habit forming illegal. But even then those with need to fill a hole that they imagine themselves having will find a way.

My friend and I rarely abused it. Oh sure, we had our party hardy nights over the years by getting drunk or smoking too much, but neither of us ever let it control our lives. Never missed a day of work for a 20 year period during my heaviest use. I think that most wouldn't let pot or booze control them. I do know that there are other drugs that can more easily do so though and should remain illegal. Those types I have always avoided and so has my friend. I know a few that are flat messed up because of crack, for instance.

I just think pot being illegal when booze isn't is a huge joke. Pot isn't bad, the law is, IMO. Again, those people that would get hooked on pot will get hooked on something else, maybe truly damaging, at some point anyway. :)

[JOHN BLUEBLOOD]

As upset as I am with Pulley, and he's had his share of oppurtunites, I think we should take a breath and let the staff get to the bottom of all this. I'll respect any decision the staff makes, because they've been tough and fair in every situation (remember Leger last year in his last game at the bowl?).

This is tough but Brooks will make the fair decision.

I can't decide until the whole story comes down but I'm thinking 4-6 games.

[freethrow]

As upset as I am with Pulley, and he's had his share of oppurtunites, I think we should take a breath and let the staff get to the bottom of all this. I'll respect any decision the staff makes, because they've been tough and fair in every situation (remember Leger last year in his last game at the bowl?).

This is tough but Brooks will make the fair decision.

I can't decide until the whole story comes down but I'm thinking 4-6 games.

I agree. I also agree with another poster that asked the question of how he let the team down. He did, but maybe he knew that Pot was nearly harmless and thought the risk was worth it for the fun he would have? I probably would have at that age. At that age there was never a day that I didn't have a baggie stashed somewhere as long as I could afford it. Of course, when I got out of high school it was the height of the hippie period. :)

[Matt Dillon]

As upset as I am with Pulley, and he's had his share of oppurtunites, I think we should take a breath and let the staff get to the bottom of all this. I'll respect any decision the staff makes, because they've been tough and fair in every situation (remember Leger last year in his last game at the bowl?).

This is tough but Brooks will make the fair decision.

I can't decide until the whole story comes down but I'm thinking 4-6 games.

He plead guilty to the possession citation and failed to inform the staff of the incident. What more could there be to the story? Nothing he could say, in my opinion, would justify getting caught with an illegal drug.

[johnkyblue]

I think Johnkyblue should be along any moment to mention the fact Curtis Pulley is in class. :icon_rolleyes::tongue3:

gerntz, no, unfortunately I'm not.

[SevenTimeChamps]

So with Hartline as our starter...

[The Old School JPS]

Legalizing Cannabis would possibly be the worst public policy decision in US history.

Reality check:

- the Dred Scott decision, the Fugitive Slave Act and other public policy decisions that legalized and enforced slavery

- interning the Japanese during World War II

- the Smoot-Hawley tariff that helped foster and worsen the Great Depression

- banning interracial marriage

- scrapping some of our Navy under the Washington Naval Treaty, with Japan breaking its treaty obligations as it began its militarism in the Pacific prior to World War II

- prohibiting blacks from attending schools or using other facilities with whites

- the Alien and Sedition Acts

- denying women and blacks the right to vote

- capital punishment for those found guilty of being of witches

- the Tuskegee experiment that subjected unknowing victims to syphilis

There are a lot of other things that were worse public policy decisions in US history than legalizing marijuana would be.

[surveyor]

Sad news, but another good reason to legalize Pot, IMO. There is so much total bull said about Pot. My best bud has smoked it every single day for over 40 years and there isn't a darn thing wrong with his brain. Done my share my own self. Sure, he didn't overdue it too often and get totally wasted, but a buzz every day at least. It just sickens me that another probable good kid is going to suffer for much of his remaining life over this if they go after him strong enough. On the other hand, if he was just found drunk somewhere they would probably laugh it off as him just being a college kid. That, when booze is actually worse for you, IMO. Had too many close relatives and friends die due to it with destroyed livers and diabetes etc due to booze and a brain that wasn't up to par of what it once was. The laws, IMO, should be switched between the two, at least.

I don't disagree about legalizing pot, but at the same time look how motivated and determined Ricky Williams has been in (out of) the NFL..........:icon_lol:

Moderation, and a time and place for everything fellers. This wasn't the time nor the place.

[Tbird]

I don't disagree about legalizing pot, but at the same time look how motivated and determined Ricky Williams has been in (out of) the NFL..........:icon_lol:

Moderation, and a time and place for everything fellers. This wasn't the time nor the place.

I'm not taking the bait and getting into a conversation about legalizing pot or not but.........kind of ironic that we are talking about a kid caught with pot that seems to make a lot of really stupid decisions and yet some argue that it causes no issues....

Furthermore, it makes no difference to me whether he is choosing booze or pot to alter his mind. Bottom line, this is a critical time for him and apparently he is more interested in that vs. demonstrating that he has matured and is ready for a leadership position.

Just freakin STUPID.....there is NO excuse.

[ukbob]

I am tired of the "well everybody does it" mantra.

No they do not.

The argument that we should just legalize the stuff to keep kids from getting in trouble is silly to me. How about just respecting and upholding the law. There is a novel idea. But heck, that's no fun.

Pulley took a year off to straighten things out. He was given opportunities to return and to lead. This is not the way to show leadership. And from what I read, the staff did not know much of this until recently. Way to go Curtis. Good leadership there.

He did not make a mistake. He used BAD judgement....multiple times in a month. He did illegal things twice in a month.

He is a pampered athlete that gets a free education, fan adoration and all the other benefits that go with it. He doesn't have to get a student loan to pay back for 10 years. All he has to do is play a kids game, keep his nose clean and try his best.

He should have used up his freebies with this staff, IMO. I am all for 2nd chances for anyone. But there are consequences for abusing trust.

I fully expect Hartline and Fiddler to man the position this year. I would be surprised and disappointed to see Pulley in a UK uniform this season.

[wildcat_lover]

from what I had heard Hartline was already in the lead for the position, and I believe this puts him over the top. Thats unbelievable, what a stupid move by Hartline!

[chworld22]

This kid is the poster child for stupid people. Who pisses away a chance like he has with absolutely no reason. A drug poss. charge is bad enough regardless of what if you think it should be legal or not it is illegal now. If you are a D-1 football player on a major SEC level team you DO NOT SMOkE TREE. It is really that simple and if you are going to do it (which I don't see anything wrong with as long as you are in your own home) you should be smart about it. Then after getting a charge you DO NOT drive on a suspended license. That is just plain stupid. I could go with the innocent until proven guilt plea if it was the first time the kid had done something stupid but it isn't. He is just screwing around with the talent he has and he will soon find the consequences for that when he is making 30,000 pr year playing for a minor league type of team instead of making 3 mill a year playing for a NFL team.

[Gunsmoke]

Speeding through Hardin County on the WK doing around 85 just plain old ain't right. I haven't seen anybody driving 80 on it since the gas prices shot through the roof. That is the minor offense. He had the reins in the palm of his hands and dropped them. And to think I was so excited about the possibility of watching Curtis utilize all of his vast skills this Fall. What a bonehead thing to do. Flitter the opportunity of a lifetime away for a buzz. Twas not worth that. As far as smoking weed goes, it doesn't mix with fast paced high speed sports at all.

[billoliver40]

Another kid in a series of bad, bad mistakes.

Not going to get into the legality issues of pot, or whether everyone does it or has done it or probably will do it...

fact is, there are two separate instances of run ins with the law and the
coaching staff reported they had heard of neither of them.

THAT'S the bad end of it, if it's correct.

You're the QB. The coach has to know. The team has to know.

wow.


I'm started to get reminded of something M Vick did...no, not the dogs...
taking a bottle on a plane that had some type of compartment inside the
bottle....some thought it was for taking something illegal on the plane.
One of the newsmen summed it up:
....."this guy is the QUARTERBACK....he's the one you count on to make
good decisions in the crunch....and he does this????"

That's really what's beginning (yes, beginning) to concern me with CP.
All the tools in the world....got a great chance...got JP all but publicly
pulling for him...most of the BBN all but conceding the job to him....
and making decisions like these. This is the man we count on to be the
on field leader of the team. To make hard fast decisions.

doesn't feel good for Curtis.
Hope I'm wrong.

[justacatsfan]

"I would be surprised and disappointed to see Pulley in a UK uniform this season"

Ditto that. I would add ever.

IF, everything is true, and Brooks didn't know. He should be gone. Sorry 3-4 games is a cop out FSU ploy. I'd rather my university show integrity and class and not put up with this nonsesnse.

And now we get to see the real gut of our fanbase. We laughed and joked and UL, FSU, UT, etc. Now its in our backyard. There should't be any double standards. UK is better than that and pulled schollie should be the result.

Have fun at Alabama A&M State Tech.

[bellbrass]

This is awful for Curtis, awful for UK football.

This is also why I don't make fun of other schools when players get busted for anything.

Curtis will spend next fall either not even on the team, or trying to get back into Brooks' good graces after a multi-game suspension at the very least. The vehicle violations could be forgiven; the pot use can not be taken lightly.

Hartline is our new QB, folks.

I hope Curtis gets his act together. He doesn't have many more "lives" left.

[BigblueDrew]

Reality check:

- the Dred Scott decision, the Fugitive Slave Act and other public policy decisions that legalized and enforced slavery

- interning the Japanese during World War II

- the Smoot-Hawley tariff that helped foster and worsen the Great Depression

- banning interracial marriage

- scrapping some of our Navy under the Washington Naval Treaty, with Japan breaking its treaty obligations as it began its militarism in the Pacific prior to World War II

- prohibiting blacks from attending schools or using other facilities with whites

- the Alien and Sedition Acts

- denying women and blacks the right to vote

- capital punishment for those found guilty of being of witches

- the Tuskegee experiment that subjected unknowing victims to syphilis

There are a lot of other things that were worse public policy decisions in US history than legalizing marijuana would be.
It is my contention that the legalization of Cannabis would have an even more devastating social impact than the policies you outline. I don't say this for selfish reasons, if implemented people in my profession will become rich. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

[RaviMoss#1fan]

growing up watching Curtis play football though middle school and high school i thought this kids got it. Was really shocked tonite when i get on and read Curtis Busted for Marjuana that just crazy he had a second chances last year and brooks let him get back on the team this the end of the road Curtis will probly now be kick off the team or in the dog house. I havent talk to curtis in a while i thought he done got his act staight now that he had a kid to take care of. Lets move on IM READY FOR FOOTBALL

[Terry L. Wildcat]

Drat!!!

[boomdaddy]

It sickens me to see posters hold marijuana smokers in the same light as crack heads, rapists, and murderers. I am fully aware that it is illegal. I believe it will stay illegal, because the big drug companies can't monopolize it. Drug companies put products on the market that kill and or cause suicide, but it is okay because they can be prescribed by a doctor. And no, I'm not a pot smoker, but I did partake during my college years and I don't condemn anyone who does.

I do, however, regret that Pulley has not been able to keep himself out of the paper. I do not wish him to be thrown off the team. I would be satisfied with a first half suspension of the UL game. I'm rooting for Mr. Pulley to get this behind him and get on with his life and career.

[Redlegs]

We'll see how it plays out, but if everything we read holds true, Pulley's gotta go, IMO.

[Blue4ever]

It sickens me to see posters hold marijuana smokers in the same light as crack heads, rapists, and murderers. I am fully aware that it is illegal. I believe it will stay illegal, because the big drug companies can't monopolize it. Drug companies put products on the market that kill and or cause suicide, but it is okay because they can be prescribed by a doctor. And no, I'm not a pot smoker, but I did partake during my college years and I don't condemn anyone who does.

I do, however, regret that Pulley has not been able to keep himself out of the paper. I do not wish him to be thrown off the team. I would be satisfied with a first half suspension of the UL game. I'm rooting for Mr. Pulley to get this behind him and get on with his life and career.

How threads get turned around on this site is amazingly funny sometimes? Anyway, until marijuana is legalized it's still illegal. My problem with this situation is it's just another incident in a series of incidents that show how little respect Curtis has for his coaches and teammates. I'm all for second chances (and maybe third?) but Curtis continues to be a distraction so it might be time for Coach Brooks to say "Son it's time to part ways".

[Mark Blueblood]

As a substance abuse counselor for 30 years , I must say that I only agree with the first two words of your post. Your analogy about your friend reminds me of the old smoker that always falls back on the guy he knows that smoked 2 packs of Pall Malls a day for 40 years and had no effect. While possibly true he ignores the hundreds of thousands who are affected. Legalizing Cannabis would possibly be the worst public policy decision in US history.

As an alcoholic for 30 years (now recovered) I would totally agree. This dude that "smoked it every day for 40 years" - sure - he ain't got no problem, does he?

Sorry JPS - but I've sat in too many rooms for too many years and can introduce you to countless people that will disagree with you. Those that have "been there, done that, bought the t-shirt".

Anyway - as ukbob says - it's illegal now so Curtis is in the soup. Welcome to the first team Michael Hartline.

[BamaCat86]

Is the University's policy on drugs and alcohol still in effect? If so, he is gone regardless of Brook's decision ala Desmond Allison.

[jwade]

Is the University's policy on drugs and alcohol still in effect? If so, he is gone regardless of Brook's decision ala Desmond Allison.


Not sure. Wasn't CM's initial policy following the Jason Watts incident later softened by Ivy following the Jules Camara incident?


Jim

[Redlegs]

I don't think this is much of a setback for the football team. In fact, if it's handled right, it can be an attribute. Brooks dismissing Pulley would show the other guys in that locker room how much being an upstanding person off the field is important and how serious this program is toward building a consistant winner.

It is next to impossible for Pulley to lead this team. I don't think he was on the fast track to do it anyway and quite honestly, he's not deserving.

[Brian McCat]

I'm very disappointed that Curtis risked it, but can you imagine if this had happened during the season? At least now, Mike Hartline can get the reps necessary to be the leader of this team.

I'm also extremely surprised that the MJ charge was undiscovered by the press for so long.

[Matt Dillon]

"I would be surprised and disappointed to see Pulley in a UK uniform this season"

Ditto that. I would add ever.

IF, everything is true, and Brooks didn't know. He should be gone. Sorry 3-4 games is a cop out FSU ploy. I'd rather my university show integrity and class and not put up with this nonsesnse.

And now we get to see the real gut of our fanbase. We laughed and joked and UL, FSU, UT, etc. Now its in our backyard. There should't be any double standards. UK is better than that and pulled schollie should be the result.

Have fun at Alabama A&M State Tech.

Great post, in my opinion.

[Matt Dillon]

I'm also extremely surprised that the MJ charge was undiscovered by the press for so long.

As soon as it came on tv, that's what I said to my wife.

[ukblue22]

I'm a huge cycling fan and when the guys got thrown out of the tour for illegal drugs the first week I was thrilled. It was one less cheater in the field. I can not feel bad for CP if he gets kicked out of school or off the team. The fact is he cheated. No MJ is not a performance enhancing drug, it is however against the law, NCAA guidelines, and UK school policy. So, in effect, he has cheated his team mates and UK Athletics out of a clean performance.

I want the UK Football team to be able to walk into any stadium anywhere and not have to see some opposing fan with a 4 foot joint in the front row making fun of our QB. With CP on the team that will be the least we could expect to see at opposing stadiums.

[CATHYnKY]

I am tired of the "well everybody does it" mantra.

No they do not.

The argument that we should just legalize the stuff to keep kids from getting in trouble is silly to me. How about just respecting and upholding the law. There is a novel idea. But heck, that's no fun.

Pulley took a year off to straighten things out. He was given opportunities to return and to lead. This is not the way to show leadership. And from what I read, the staff did not know much of this until recently. Way to go Curtis. Good leadership there.

He did not make a mistake. He used BAD judgement....multiple times in a month. He did illegal things twice in a month.

He is a pampered athlete that gets a free education, fan adoration and all the other benefits that go with it. He doesn't have to get a student loan to pay back for 10 years. All he has to do is play a kids game, keep his nose clean and try his best.

He should have used up his freebies with this staff, IMO. I am all for 2nd chances for anyone. But there are consequences for abusing trust.

I fully expect Hartline and Fiddler to man the position this year. I would be surprised and disappointed to see Pulley in a UK uniform this season.

Well said Bob. How can you let him back on the team? What kind of an example would that be for the other guys. I am as disappointed and personally surprised at what Pulley did. But there is no room for mistakes like this for him. I wish him well and feel for the staff, team and us fans.

[Blue Heaven]

As soon as it came on tv, that's what I said to my wife.
Being that it was in Louisville, I can't believe it didn't leak out the day he was in court. Seriously. But as someone said earlier, it's in our backyard now. Part of me says pull his scholly and move on. The other part of me says that probably half or more of all college football players smoke pot, so what do you do?

[Matt Dillon]

Being that it was in Louisville, I can't believe it didn't leak out the day he was in court. Seriously. But as someone said earlier, it's in our backyard now. Part of me says pull his scholly and move on. The other part of me says that probably half or more of all college football players smoke pot, so what do you do?

I say stern disciplinary action is warrented. He violated laws as well as team rules. His situation has nothing whatsoever to do with what other players may or may not do.

[TrueblueCATfan]

I am tired of the "well everybody does it" mantra.

No they do not.

The argument that we should just legalize the stuff to keep kids from getting in trouble is silly to me. How about just respecting and upholding the law. There is a novel idea. But heck, that's no fun.

Pulley took a year off to straighten things out. He was given opportunities to return and to lead. This is not the way to show leadership. And from what I read, the staff did not know much of this until recently. Way to go Curtis. Good leadership there.

He did not make a mistake. He used BAD judgement....multiple times in a month. He did illegal things twice in a month.

He is a pampered athlete that gets a free education, fan adoration and all the other benefits that go with it. He doesn't have to get a student loan to pay back for 10 years. All he has to do is play a kids game, keep his nose clean and try his best.

He should have used up his freebies with this staff, IMO. I am all for 2nd chances for anyone. But there are consequences for abusing trust.

I fully expect Hartline and Fiddler to man the position this year. I would be surprised and disappointed to see Pulley in a UK uniform this season.agree 100% ..I trust Coach Brooks to take some kind of action on this.....I do not want to be like UL.... win at all cost ...break rules you pay

[lighthouse]

I am tired of the "well everybody does it" mantra.

No they do not.

The argument that we should just legalize the stuff to keep kids from getting in trouble is silly to me. How about just respecting and upholding the law. There is a novel idea. But heck, that's no fun.

Pulley took a year off to straighten things out. He was given opportunities to return and to lead. This is not the way to show leadership. And from what I read, the staff did not know much of this until recently. Way to go Curtis. Good leadership there.

He did not make a mistake. He used BAD judgement....multiple times in a month. He did illegal things twice in a month.

He is a pampered athlete that gets a free education, fan adoration and all the other benefits that go with it. He doesn't have to get a student loan to pay back for 10 years. All he has to do is play a kids game, keep his nose clean and try his best.

He should have used up his freebies with this staff, IMO. I am all for 2nd chances for anyone. But there are consequences for abusing trust.

I fully expect Hartline and Fiddler to man the position this year. I would be surprised and disappointed to see Pulley in a UK uniform this season.

Absolutely correct Bob. I'm as forgving as anybody, but I remember seeing Jason Leger in street clothes, on the field last year in Nashville. I feel for CB, his staff and the fans, because we were all depending on CP. On things for sure, CB will be fair and consistant.

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

I actually think the first 3 pages of this thread is a pretty sad commentary on the American public. Pulley was involved in two incidents, one for possessing marijuana, the other driving 15 over the limit on a suspended license. Posters have debated back and forth over the legality if pot, some saying who cares if it should be legal....it's not. All fine and dandy that everyone has their differing opinions on pot but I've counted ONE single post where someone shows concern about Pulley's speeding charge. If I missed a post or two sorry, but you get my point. Is speeding not ILLEGAL ???? Does speeding not KILL PEOPLE ????

But most people here speed, and don't smoke pot, so they can denounce CP about the drug but conveniently say nothing about the other charge. I say if you EITHER speed OR smoke pot, then you are technically a criminal too so you can't say jack about how dissapointed you are with Curtis.

[BigBlue75]

I am tired of the "well everybody does it" mantra.

No they do not.

The argument that we should just legalize the stuff to keep kids from getting in trouble is silly to me. How about just respecting and upholding the law. There is a novel idea. But heck, that's no fun.

Pulley took a year off to straighten things out. He was given opportunities to return and to lead. This is not the way to show leadership. And from what I read, the staff did not know much of this until recently. Way to go Curtis. Good leadership there.

He did not make a mistake. He used BAD judgement....multiple times in a month. He did illegal things twice in a month.

He is a pampered athlete that gets a free education, fan adoration and all the other benefits that go with it. He doesn't have to get a student loan to pay back for 10 years. All he has to do is play a kids game, keep his nose clean and try his best.

He should have used up his freebies with this staff, IMO. I am all for 2nd chances for anyone. But there are consequences for abusing trust.

I fully expect Hartline and Fiddler to man the position this year. I would be surprised and disappointed to see Pulley in a UK uniform this season.

Excellent post, bob. Your comments and those made by WildcatRick earlier sum it up perfectly. What is at issue here is NOT whether or not an illegal substance should be legalized, the issue is a young man who has all the potential in the world has once again excercised VERY poor judgement and in doing so has put his athletic future in serious jeopardy by breaking the law, and that's the bottom line.

Any debates on the legalities of marijuana use, pro or con, should be left to another time (and frankly, another forum.)

[chworld22]

I actually think the first 3 pages of this thread is a pretty sad commentary on the American public. Pulley was involved in two incidents, one for possessing marijuana, the other driving 15 over the limit on a suspended license. Posters have debated back and forth over the legality if pot, some saying who cares if it should be legal....it's not. All fine and dandy that everyone has their differing opinions on pot but I've counted ONE single post where someone shows concern about Pulley's speeding charge. If I missed a post or two sorry, but you get my point. Is speeding not ILLEGAL ???? Does speeding not KILL PEOPLE ????

But most people here speed, and don't smoke pot, so they can denounce CP about the drug but conveniently say nothing about the other charge. I say if you EITHER speed OR smoke pot, then you are technically a criminal too so you can't say jack about how dissapointed you are with Curtis.

I am also pretty sure that the majority of the people on this board also have speed. But the majority of these posters were not or are not D-1 football players for a major college either. That is the point of this thread. A kid with so much promise has thrown thumbed his nose at the rules on multiple occassion but remains on the team and NOW finally he has broken the law not once but TWICE. You can condemn the posters of this board all you want but there is no way that you can come up with a arguement to defend that. Second chance gone!

[poodoo]

Whether it should or shouldnt be legalized is irrelevant. It is NOT legal now and he shouldnt have had it, period.

Sad news, he is a very talented young man and would have made major contributions whether he was named the starter or not. Very disappointing.

BRIEFLY and perfectly stated, WildcatRick (and I wish I could do that as well ;)).

I responded last night that I just felt SICK. :icon_sad: I thought later how I could have added that I felt SO DISAPPOINTED in Curtis. :icon_sad: As others have noted, he was expected to be the offense's LEADER (besides having already been given a second chance and having had his leadership skills questioned), which makes this news more troubling.

Too, lighthouse mentioned "feeling" for Coach Brooks and his staff. That had also been my reaction. I remember CP columnist Matt May's saying that he sensed that Brooks ad Joker really wanted Curtis to win that starting role (which seemingly meant Curtis has the most potential to make our offense a special one), BUT that he was not sure that they had the "TRUST" in him to do so. How those May words ring true today! Also, for Coach Brooks to have learned of the incident just yesterday, as has been stated, must have been just unreal for him. :icon_sad:

Rick's words, "SAD and DISAPPOINTED," perfectly sum up the situation, in my opinion. Too, absolutely, whether or not marijuana should be legalized (and I have my doubts because of some personal experiences with former students, experiences that certainly don't match the other accounts shared here) is totally IRRELEVANT. Marijuana is indeed currently ILLEGAL, and Curtis Pulley has no one but HIMSELF to blame, period.

What makes me the saddest is that UK football, specifically Curtis's teammates and coaches (and us fans, too, as lighthouse implied), will likely suffer because of HIS selfish choice (and I never call a player "selfish," but reality is that it was a "selfish" choice). Curtis let all of them down (and us fans, but to a much lesser degree, as he does not personally know us). Too, while the speeding is potentially dangerous to others, having the marijuana in the car was a premeditated breaking of a team rule, besides the law, by this "leader," an inexcusable error in judgement.

Again, the news must be "killing" Coach Brooks and Coach Phillips. I feel SICK for them and the UK players, and I hope and pray Curtis matures and does not continue to throw away more opportunities for himself.

[gerntz]

Question: Is it known publicly whether CP made his summer grades such that he is going to be eligible this Fall?

If not, I'll speculate (again) & this time wonder that he knows he didn't/won't make his grades to be eligible so he's blowing off steam. I think we'd gain data that this is the case if the school just states CP isn't with the team & there's no announcement of disciplinary action.

[UKhoov]

I just cant believe this...starting job almost in his grasp. And then finds a way to throw it all away. I hope he can get this straightened out and find a way to be successful with or without football.

[Blue 24/7]

I have read posts on this site from a 15 year old and an 11 year old in the past couple of days. It frightens me that they may have read this thread. I hope and pray that they are strong enough and wise enough to know right from wrong and that we can't change the rules to fit our personal lifestyle choices. What Curtis did is beyond stupid and who knows what it may cost him in the future. But the worst is that it cost him a reputation and his dignity right now. I'm always telling my son that when you do stupid things, you get hurt. This is gonna hurt CP for a long, long time.

[BOURBON TOWN CAT FAN]

This might end up being a good thing for the team as the season nears. There will not be any QB controversy and they will be able to focus on getting ready for the UL game.

[boomdaddy]

This might end up being a good thing for the team as the season nears. There will not be any QB controversy and they will be able to focus on getting ready for the UL game.

It's never a good thing, when a player is arrested and their name is bandied about in the press and on message boards. Yes, I agree their should be consequences. But, no, I don't think he shold have to wear a scarlet letter and be kicked off the team.

[stvatt]

To me, the traffic stuff is a non-issue. Granted it's a long string of things that ask a lot of questions (why was his license suspended, no registration) It's handled in civil court, not criminal court. It doesn't even bother me so much that he didn't feel the need to tell anyone about traffic violations. If he gets kicked off the team, how many other NCAA players nation-wide should then be released for the same offense?

MJ possession on the other hand is what worries me, and this he should have told Brooks about even if only so they could prepare for the whirlwind that would eventually come when it went public.

We should all keep in mind that while these decisions all speak to CP's character, they are by no means a holistic account. These are not wise decisions of a mature leader, but mistakes will be made and I am of the opinion that opportunity for growth from events like this must be provided to those who struggle. It is what makes us human, and shows what we are capable of in this human endeavor. That being said, CP has a long way to go to show this growth and earn trust back from everyone. A lot of volunteering/community service to do and some counseling to seek.

We have no idea what else he does on the plus side, because the media rarely reports on those kinds of things. I will not damn this young man because LEX18 brought some skeletons out of his closet, one of which is a non-issue.

[johnkyblue]

The drug issue isn't handled in criminal court in Lexington. I don't know about where he was... but Drug Courts work a lot better and are quickly becoming the norm.

As far as the MJ legality is concerned, of course some people are going to bring it up. Gatewood received over 10% of the vote statewide once. :)

[poodoo]

I have read posts on this site from a 15 year old and an 11 year old in the past couple of days. It frightens me that they may have read this thread. I hope and pray that they are strong enough and wise enough to know right from wrong and that we can't change the rules to fit our personal lifestyle choices. What Curtis did is beyond stupid and who knows what it may cost him in the future. But the worst is that it cost him a reputation and his dignity right now. I'm always telling my son that when you do stupid things, you get hurt. This is gonna hurt CP for a long, long time.

You sound like a wise parent, Blue 24/7. Too, as I read your words, I remember once reading something about decision-making. The philosophy was that one needs to THINK HARD about the potential consequences of a certain behavior AND whether or not he (or she) could live with those potential consequences -- if the behavior and involved risk were really worth it.

Unfortunately, youngsters often think they are invincible and will NOT get "caught." The potential consequences are often not considered. Yes, you are teaching your son well, in my opinion. Too, I suspect you are so right that Curtis's choice will HURT for "a long, long time." :icon_sad:

[UKFBFAN]

I'll say it again. Watch Will Fidler.

[ChattyKat]

Curtis Pulley Sr. has posted on a different board that WLEX has made some false statements about his son. Perhaps we should all hold the judgement of Curtis until all the facts come out. :confused:

[SBCatMan]

Clearly this does not look good and clearly Curtis is, at the very least, guilty of using extremely poor judgement. And, this is sad and dispapointing. But, those opinions and observations have already been mentioned numerous times in this thread.

That having been said, we may just all need to sit back and be cool for a moment.

First, I have never used pot (hard to belive, huh?) and I am not here to argue whether it should be legal or to comment on how we ought to behvae towrds it since it is illegal. But, a couple of points:

1) Even in today's legal system, there is a a bit of a difference between possession and using, and there is a WORLD OF DIIFERENCE between possessing and dealing. Curtis was seemingly "only" possessing.

2) Even so, from the reports I have read, he was NOT arrested, at least not in relation to the pot.

As I said, none of this is good. Moreover, all of this is bad. But, it may not be as dire as many are making it out to be. Certainly, there will be consequences. But I think it is terribly premature to speculate as to what form those consequences will take, or even should take.

So, let's all just be cool and let those in positions of authority sort this thing out.

[ukbob]

Curtis Pulley Sr. has posted on a different board that WLEX has made some false statements about his son. Perhaps we should all hold the judgement of Curtis until all the facts come out. :confused:


I read his post. Seems more to me like a dad protecting his son. Way too many irregularities between the CJ, WLEX and others versus his account. Beisdes, Curtis pleaded guilty already. Something doesn't smell right at all.

The old story of "I didn't know my friends had it in the car" has been told a million times. I told my daughter at an early age (and kept telling her as she got older) that you are often judged and often influenced by the comapny you keep. And all it takes is one stupid bad judgement involving the law to affect the rest of your life. She(praise God) listened.

Curtis is 21 years old. He should know better. Perhaps he didn't get that advice enough when he was growing up.

It is best to listen to Brooks in all this, IMO, versus the dad. When RB speaks on this, then we will know.

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

here's another way of putting what I posted earlier:

if Curtis had ONLY been involved in the speeding/no license issue, would all of you be making as big a deal ? What if he had ONLY been caught with pot and not been involved with the speeding ? would that be a bigger deal to you than the speeding only?

so what I'm asking is why does it seem that most of you think getting caught with pot is a bigger deal than getting caught speeding?

WHY ???????????

[Terry L. Wildcat]

Couldnt agree more, gerntz. Whether it should or shouldnt be legalized is irrelevant. It is NOT legal now and he shouldnt have had it, period.

Sad news, he is a very talented young man and would have made major contributions whether he was named the starter or not. Very disappointing.

Vern and Rick :thumbup::thumbup:

[surveyor]

Just freakin STUPID.....there is NO excuse.

Hence, the reason I said this was NOT the time nor the place for such......:icon_confused:

[POEKLM]

here's another way of putting what I posted earlier:

if Curtis had ONLY been involved in the speeding/no license issue, would all of you be making as big a deal ? What if he had ONLY been caught with pot and not been involved with the speeding ? would that be a bigger deal to you than the speeding only?

so what I'm asking is why does it seem that most of you think getting caught with pot is a bigger deal than getting caught speeding?

WHY ???????????
You don't make the news for speeding violations. There is a big difference in felonies and fines. Everyone is upset about this situation. People are just giving their opinions. We don't all see and think alike. But we can still post how we feel. Sorry but I get bugged by posts that call out other posters.

[justacatsfan]

I read his post. Seems more to me like a dad protecting his son. Way too many irregularities between the CJ, WLEX and others versus his account. Beisdes, Curtis pleaded guilty already. Something doesn't smell right at all.

The old story of "I didn't know my friends had it in the car" has been told a million times. I told my daughter at an early age (and kept telling her as she got older) that you are often judged and often influenced by the comapny you keep. And all it takes is one stupid bad judgement involving the law to affect the rest of your life. She(praise God) listened.

Curtis is 21 years old. He should know better. Perhaps he didn't get that advice enough when he was growing up.

It is best to listen to Brooks in all this, IMO, versus the dad. When RB speaks on this, then we will know.

Same thing I thought Bob. I may be mistaken but the 1st thing that popped into my mind was BS. Sorry I just don't buy the inconsistences right now. Hopefully my gut is wrong but being a rather dumb and wild 21 yr old at one time myself I have to make logical conclusions.

[billoliver40]

For what it's worth:

An individual id'ing himself as Curtis Pulley Sr has posted on TCP recently.
His claim is that Curtis was in a car with individuals having marijuana as posted. The claim is that was not CPs, but all in the car were charged.

The incident with a suspended license is (according to Mr Pulley Sr.) false.
This can be proven by running Curtis' driver's license number.

Perhaps these situations are what coach Phillips had on his mind a few weeks ago when he stated that Curtis was not showing the leadership qualities of Hartline.

As usual....there is what people say happened, what really happened, and
what people perceive happens.

Too many versions of the truth.

Times like these I remember why Coaches are caught in such stressful jobs. If the coaching staff DID know what happend, courtesy and concerns for privacy would keep them from divulging this stuff. Course,
once the news media gets hold of things, the privacy part goes out the
window.

Good luck to all the Pulley family.

For myself and the rest of the UK family.....patience. I have to remember
that there are some things that I'll never really know all the story about.

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

You don't make the news for speeding violations. There is a big difference in felonies and fines. Everyone is upset about this situation. People are just giving their opinions. We don't all see and think alike. But we can still post how we feel. Sorry but I get bugged by posts that call out other posters.

I'm not calling anyone out, just questioning why most posters are getting upset about one law being broken while "looking the other way" on the other one.

in response to your post, people do make the news for speeding violations, so you're definitely wrong about that. for example:
-rapper dmx : http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2008/05/08/dmx_arrested_for_speeding_reckless_drivi

-derrick rose : http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/foxvalleysun/sports/1058275,2_6_5_FV17_ROSE_S1.article

-britney spears : http://feverishthoughts.com/celebrity/2007/04/30/spears-caught-speeding/

and there are certainly more. but onto the part about there being a "big difference between felonies and fines". maybe you didn't read the story. Curtis was "cited" for the pot. meaning it was obviously not enough to be a felony...hell, he wasn't even taken to jail. he was then "arrested" for the three seperate driving infractions.

now don't get me wrong about this. I think everything Curtis has done in this whole mess is just stupid. It just bothers me that people take moving violations, which have killed more people than marijuana ever has or ever will, so lightly while acting like the kid needs drug counseling for carrying a sack of weed. It bothers me that people want to point out how illegal pot is while acting like the speeding is no big deal. And I know why they're doing it, you know why...everybody knows why !!

[BlueBalls]

I'll say it again. Watch Will Fidler.


The cops were Friday morning....

[Redlegs]

The cops were Friday morning....
That's pretty good. :thumbup:

[chworld22]

I'm not calling anyone out, just questioning why most posters are getting upset about one law being broken while "looking the other way" on the other one.

in response to your post, people do make the news for speeding violations, so you're definitely wrong about that. for example:
-rapper dmx : http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2008/05/08/dmx_arrested_for_speeding_reckless_drivi

-derrick rose : http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/foxvalleysun/sports/1058275,2_6_5_FV17_ROSE_S1.article

-britney spears : http://feverishthoughts.com/celebrity/2007/04/30/spears-caught-speeding/

and there are certainly more. but onto the part about there being a "big difference between felonies and fines". maybe you didn't read the story. Curtis was "cited" for the pot. meaning it was obviously not enough to be a felony...hell, he wasn't even taken to jail. he was then "arrested" for the three seperate driving infractions.

now don't get me wrong about this. I think everything Curtis has done in this whole mess is just stupid. It just bothers me that people take moving violations, which have killed more people than marijuana ever has or ever will, so lightly while acting like the kid needs drug counseling for carrying a sack of weed. It bothers me that people want to point out how illegal pot is while acting like the speeding is no big deal. And I know why they're doing it, you know why...everybody knows why !!

Probably because when you smoke pot you are impared and you are under the influence of an illegal substance. Speeding is a illegal act but people do it every day and don't get caught just like people smoke pot everyday. They are all illegal but there are different levels of breaking the law. There are moving violations like speeding a mistaminer in most cases and then there are felonies possesion of drugs, grand theft, and assault to name a few. Curtis according to the news and whatever else did both. Which is double trouble.

[RaviMoss#1fan]

i been a pulley fan since the beginnin of his middle school days over the last few years he has went though alot the year he step back cause Grades last year because he was missing alot of class with going to Court bout his Newborn Son the women was pushing him into alot of stuff with his little boy. I dont blame him but all they got to do is run his lience and if it comes out Revoke. Curtis Sr is just protected his son i mean i dont blame him i been a curtis fan forever. We really wont know the facts till Rich Brooks talks and Curtis Pulley talks but then again u look at what Will Fidler done today cant we bring Cobb back as a QB

[Matt Dillon]

I read his post. Seems more to me like a dad protecting his son. Way too many irregularities between the CJ, WLEX and others versus his account. Beisdes, Curtis pleaded guilty already. Something doesn't smell right at all.

The old story of "I didn't know my friends had it in the car" has been told a million times. I told my daughter at an early age (and kept telling her as she got older) that you are often judged and often influenced by the comapny you keep. And all it takes is one stupid bad judgement involving the law to affect the rest of your life. She(praise God) listened.

Curtis is 21 years old. He should know better. Perhaps he didn't get that advice enough when he was growing up.

It is best to listen to Brooks in all this, IMO, versus the dad. When RB speaks on this, then we will know.

You hit the nail on the head, in my opinion ukbob.

[Matt Dillon]

One simple question, if the pot wasn't his, why did he say it was?

[poodoo]

Curtis Pulley Sr. has posted on a different board that WLEX has made some false statements about his son. Perhaps we should all hold the judgement of Curtis until all the facts come out. :confused:

I had not been aware of that, ChattyKat. Thanks for sharing.

Too, I'm shaking my head as I have read through the thread. The CJ wrote that Curtis had been pulled over because a policeman had seen him smoking a marijuana cigarette while driving. Curtis had then thrown the cigarette to the floor, and 2.4 grams had been discovered in the car. There had been no mention of any other passengers' having been in the car. Curtis reportedly pled guilty to the possession charge and enrolled in a diversion program that allows the charge to be erased if there are no further violations. :shrug1: IF that is an inaccurate report, that is ridiculous and inexcusable, frankly.

As others have said, of course, it makes more sense that Pulley's father wants to see things in the best light for his son. How I still HOPE, though, that HIS report of the incident turns out to be the accurate one. Such would make my day (although it surely seems a stretch at this time). Yes, may ALL the facts come out, and may we fans hold any judgement and let the UK coaches handle the situation.

[TrueblueCATfan]

I had not been aware of that, ChattyKat. Thanks for sharing.

Too, I'm shaking my head as I have read through the thread. The CJ wrote that Curtis had been pulled over because a policeman had seen him smoking a marijuana cigarette while driving. Curtis had then thrown the cigarette to the floor, and 2.4 grams had been discovered in the car. There had been no mention of any other passengers' having been in the car. Curtis reportedly pled guilty to the possession charge and enrolled in a diversion program that allows the charge to be erased if there are no further violations. :shrug1: IF that is an inaccurate report, that is ridiculous and inexcusable, frankly.

As others have said, of course, it makes more sense that Pulley's father wants to see things in the best light for his son. How I still HOPE, though, that HIS report of the incident turns out to be the accurate one. Such would make my day (although it surely seems a stretch at this time). Yes, may ALL the facts come out, and may we fans hold any judgement and let the UK coaches handle the situation.

I too just read what his father said ..he said the car he was driving did not have expired tags because it was his car and Curtis's license was valid....hopefully this will all straighten out

[johnkyblue]

They are all illegal but there are different levels of breaking the law. Most possession of drugs charges are misdemeanors. Last I had heard, MJ poss. cost less money than most speeding tickets too in Fayette County. In other words, judgement really is higher for speeding than MJ possession - except for student loans and grants.

Except for the student loans and grants thing, the law is right. One thing kills people - speeding, and the other thing keeps you safe and on the couch - which isn't really desirable.

[poodoo]

Clearly this does not look good and clearly Curtis is, at the very least, guilty of using extremely poor judgement. And, this is sad and dispapointing. But, those opinions and observations have already been mentioned numerous times in this thread.

That having been said, we may just all need to sit back and be cool for a moment.

First, I have never used pot (hard to belive, huh?) and I am not here to argue whether it should be legal or to comment on how we ought to behvae towrds it since it is illegal. But, a couple of points:

1) Even in today's legal system, there is a a bit of a difference between possession and using, and there is a WORLD OF DIIFERENCE between possessing and dealing. Curtis was seemingly "only" possessing.

2) Even so, from the reports I have read, he was NOT arrested, at least not in relation to the pot.

As I said, none of this is good. Moreover, all of this is bad. But, it may not be as dire as many are making it out to be. Certainly, there will be consequences. But I think it is terribly premature to speculate as to what form those consequences will take, or even should take.

So, let's all just be cool and let those in positions of authority sort this thing out.

EXCELLENT post, SBCatMan. Specifically, Curtis is seemingly guilty of bad judgement, and that's especially serious for a player vying for the starting quarterback position. YET, Curtis was NOT dealing drugs, and that distinction SHOULD be pointed out, in fairness to Pulley. Goodness knows, that has not been the case for some other SEC athletes. As you stated, there is "a WORLD of difference."

Too, in response to your point about whether or not he was actually "arrested," I had posted on another thread that the CJ pasted in BOLD HEADLINES on its front page of the sports section that Pulley had been TWICE ARRESTED, including a picture with a caption mentioning "drug possession." FWIW, when Louisville's Juan Spillman had been discovered with marijuana in his possession, the article had been buried in the paper, and I only read about the charge of the marijuana possession within the article. :shrug1:

Anyway, if the facts of the story are as the CJ reported them, Curtis Pulley, as a candidate for such a leadership position with the UK football program AND as a young man who was already having his leadership questioned (besides his reportedly not having told his coach about the June charge or arrest or whatever), is in serious trouble with his head football coach, and deservinly so, in my opinion. YET, the distiction you have pointed out is important. The CJ itself shared that Curtis would have the possession charge purged from his record if he completed the diversion program. Yes, thankfully, Curtis was NOT DEALING drugs. Too, YES, let's just let "those in the positions of authority" sort things out and make the appropriate disciplinary decisions.

[chworld22]

One simple question, if the pot wasn't his, why did he say it was?

Well if he didn't know that the guy had the pot on him and the guy stashed it his car then it would be possible that it would fall on him since he was driving. If the kid didn't own up to it. Just a possibility and to prove it wasn't Curtis's he would have to have some pretty good evidence such as the kid claiming it. Which I doubt would happen if he was already out of harms way and didn't have any ties to Curtis. It is all far fetched of course but it is possible.

[BLUE-K]

I KNEW I was right with this guy. Last week, I gave up on him trying to lead...or got close to it lol...but NOW, it's decided. I say no QB position for Pulley period. Geez...

[BlueBoy44]

Well the down side to this is, he isn’t going to play much at all I say. (Any possibility on if he might get kicked of the team?) I would not be worried if he was off the squad he’s had plenty of chances to be our starting QB but hasn’t lifted up to those expectations, and hasn’t honored the UK Jersey. With that I don’t have any sympathy towards this situation at all. The up side to this is that Mike Hartline should have more confidence that he is the starting QB, (not that he should slouch off and think he has the QB spot in the bag, but he knows he has more respect and leadership to carry on and make us proud) and the offence should click together more quickly, without the starting QB spot up for grabs and a lot of questions 4 games into the season, and should be more settled before we start the SEC. :widcat:

[bleedbluelady]

One statement and one question to add to the discussion.

If anyone thinks a charge is ever erased from their record they are totally mistaken. I don't care what lawyer, judge, court, etc. tells you it's erased, it's not. The arrest and charge are always on your federal record. I wish more people understood this. There are a lot of industries that have to ask you, "have you ever been charged with a misdemeanor or felony". You better answer truthfully, because they will find out.

How did the UK media person know this had happened, but the coaching staff didn't?

[chworld22]

Most possession of drugs charges are misdemeanors. Last I had heard, MJ poss. cost less money than most speeding tickets too in Fayette County. In other words, judgement really is higher for speeding than MJ possession - except for student loans and grants.

Except for the student loans and grants thing, the law is right. One thing kills people - speeding, and the other thing keeps you safe and on the couch - which isn't really desirable.

That is the exact arguement you hear from every pot smoker out there. It is funny that generally the only people that don't have a problem with people smoking are smokers. I have smoked before and I will smoke again probably but I understand the difference between speeding and doing an illegal drug.

[Gunsmoke]

I shall say again, drugs and athletics do not go together. No athlete should use drugs period. I don't care if it is MJ. Leave that to when the bright lights aren't shining anymore.

[gerntz]

Well if he didn't know that the guy had the pot on him and the guy stashed it his car

And what do you think the odds of that are? And how would the cops even be looking at CP if someone else had it "stashed", I mean how would the cops know it was there?

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

I understand the difference between speeding and doing an illegal drug.

then can you explain it to me please ?

I'd say the only difference is that speeding might harm another human and pot smoking won't. But they're BOTH illegal. my guess is that YOU speed around a good bit and don't think that it's a big deal. I used to think that too....spent 6 days in the hospital with a splenectomy. That steering wheel hits pretty hard. When you go headlight to headlight with another vehicle, whether you got your belt on or not (this was before widespread airbags). Luckily for me, the other driver had bags and was safe.

seriously, those of you that are trying to act like possessing/using marijuana is a worse offense than speeding are absolutely fooling yourselves.

[Will Lavender]

then can you explain it to me please ?

I'd say the only difference is that speeding might harm another human and pot smoking won't. But they're BOTH illegal. my guess is that YOU speed around a good bit and don't think that it's a big deal. I used to think that too....spent 6 days in the hospital with a splenectomy. That steering wheel hits pretty hard. When you go headlight to headlight with another vehicle, whether you got your belt on or not (this was before widespread airbags). Luckily for me, the other driver had bags and was safe.

seriously, those of you that are trying to act like possessing/using marijuana is a worse offense than speeding are absolutely fooling yourselves.

For me, it comes down to this: I'm just not sure that I want the leader of my football team being a known weed-smoker.

Average folks out in the world? Fine. There's certainly nothing morally wrong with smoking marijuana, IMO. (Although, as someone said above, the "everybody does it" line is and has always been lame. No, not everyone does it.)

But the supposed general of the football team, the guy who's asked to be rock solid, the guy the team is asked to respond to? No, I'd rather that guy be 100% sober and a stand-up citizen. Maybe it's just me.

And I'm not sure if plunging into the hierarchy of crimes is really a fruitful discussion that will ever lead anywhere. Reminds me of the old "quick, what's worse, weed or alcohol?" debate. No one ever wins. Might as well just chalk this up to a stupid, stupid decision on Curtis's part and hope that Brooks hands down a punishment accordingly.

[Matt Dillon]

Great post, Will.

[Redlegs]

I'd say the only difference is that speeding might harm another human and pot smoking won't.
I don't see how you can paint it with a broad brush like that. Pot smoking can indeed harm another human. In fact, it can destroy families. To act as if smoking pot is a victimless crime is foolish.


Seriously, those of you that are trying to act like possessing/using marijuana is a worse offense than speeding are absolutely fooling yourselves.I don't think you excuse bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.

[chworld22]

And what do you think the odds of that are? And how would the cops even be looking at CP if someone else had it "stashed", I mean how would the cops know it was there?

I don't know the odds truthfully. I wasn't implying that it was probable just possible. It would be very easy for them to find it if the person was acting suspicious. All they would have to do is pull the kids out of the car and look under the seats or where ever. Have you never seen it on the side of the road with people pulled out of a car sitting on the curb while the officer searches the car? I have seen it a few times and it is not uncommon.

Let me say that I don't know that I believe that story either I was just saying that it was possible.

[BLUE-K]

For me, it comes down to this: I'm just not sure that I want the leader of my football team being a known weed-smoker.

Average folks out in the world? Fine. There's certainly nothing morally wrong with smoking marijuana, IMO. (Although, as someone said above, the "everybody does it" line is and has always been lame. No, not everyone does it.)

But the supposed general of the football team, the guy who's asked to be rock solid, the guy the team is asked to respond to? No, I'd rather that guy be 100% sober and a stand-up citizen. Maybe it's just me.

And I'm not sure if plunging into the hierarchy of crimes is really a fruitful discussion that will ever lead anywhere. Reminds me of the old "quick, what's worse, weed or alcohol?" debate. No one ever wins. Might as well just chalk this up to a stupid, stupid decision on Curtis's part and hope that Brooks hands down a punishment accordingly.

Yes, great post.

A few facts: Alcohol withdrawl kills many more people than heroin withdrawl. It's not even close. Pot has only a mild psychological withdrawl and is not known to do what bogus research claims it to do (i.e., chromosome damage).

Hemp (pot) has been shown to be a really good drug for many ailments and is certainly an awesome "weed" that can out produce corn as a source for bio fuel (corn going to bio fuel has fueled higher corn product prices) and can grow just about anywhere -- hill or plain. The fibers are super strong (just ask an old sailor and his ropes) and can be used for items ranging clothing to the creation of hard-shell material such as a car body...very light weight and very strong/tenuous.

Pot is not as evil as some might think. HOWEVER, a pot-head running ANYTHING is not a good idea since the risidual effects of abuse tend to hamper one's ability to focus and execute at their best.

I believe this is why Pulley is not taking the QB spot away from anyone. His drive and focus is too disturbed to deliver a premium product. JMO.

[chworld22]

then can you explain it to me please ?

I'd say the only difference is that speeding might harm another human and pot smoking won't. But they're BOTH illegal. my guess is that YOU speed around a good bit and don't think that it's a big deal. I used to think that too....spent 6 days in the hospital with a splenectomy. That steering wheel hits pretty hard. When you go headlight to headlight with another vehicle, whether you got your belt on or not (this was before widespread airbags). Luckily for me, the other driver had bags and was safe.

seriously, those of you that are trying to act like possessing/using marijuana is a worse offense than speeding are absolutely fooling yourselves.

How does Pot not hurt someone else. EVERYTHING that is illegal is illegal for a reason and because it can cause harm to someone or someone else. If someone smokes pot and drives is that not under the influence therefore someone is able to hurt someone else. Both hurt people regardless of how you slice it or word it.

I have and do speed yes (great guess on that one since everyone speeds) but I don't go 15 over on the BG. I have been in a head on crash and I have been in normal crashes and the likelyhood of that increases if you are speeding but it is there regardless of if you are speeding or not.

Another difference is the level of crime as I pointed out earlier. 15 over will get you a $100 speeding ticket. Possession can get you jail time. I have first hand knowledge of that as well. A friend of mine was caught with pot a very tiny bit at that and he had to spend a weekend in jail and a $1000.

I am not here to argue with you about the difference really but there is one in the minds of anyone that hasn't been through what you have been though (and I am sorry that happened to you) but I will say that possession of pot is a far larger crime than speeding if you go first offense to first offense beyond yours or my person opinion.

[chworld22]

I don't see how you can paint it with a broad brush like that. Pot smoking can indeed harm another human. In fact, it can destroy families. To act as if smoking pot is a victimless crime is foolish.

I don't think you excuse bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.

:thumbup:

[chworld22]

For me, it comes down to this: I'm just not sure that I want the leader of my football team being a known weed-smoker.

Average folks out in the world? Fine. There's certainly nothing morally wrong with smoking marijuana, IMO. (Although, as someone said above, the "everybody does it" line is and has always been lame. No, not everyone does it.)

But the supposed general of the football team, the guy who's asked to be rock solid, the guy the team is asked to respond to? No, I'd rather that guy be 100% sober and a stand-up citizen. Maybe it's just me.

And I'm not sure if plunging into the hierarchy of crimes is really a fruitful discussion that will ever lead anywhere. Reminds me of the old "quick, what's worse, weed or alcohol?" debate. No one ever wins. Might as well just chalk this up to a stupid, stupid decision on Curtis's part and hope that Brooks hands down a punishment accordingly.

You are exactly right regardless of the crime.

[BLUE-K]

How does Pot not hurt someone else. EVERYTHING that is illegal is illegal for a reason and because it can cause harm to someone or someone else. If someone smokes pot and drives is that not under the influence therefore someone is able to hurt someone else. Both hurt people regardless of how you slice it or word it.

I have and do speed yes (great guess on that one since everyone speeds) but I don't go 15 over on the BG. I have been in a head on crash and I have been in normal crashes and the likelyhood of that increases if you are speeding but it is there regardless of if you are speeding or not.

Another difference is the level of crime as I pointed out earlier. 15 over will get you a $100 speeding ticket. Possession can get you jail time. I have first hand knowledge of that as well. A friend of mine was caught with pot a very tiny bit at that and he had to spend a weekend in jail and a $1000.

I am not here to argue with you about the difference really but there is one in the minds of anyone that hasn't been through what you have been though (and I am sorry that happened to you) but I will say that possession of pot is a far larger crime than speeding if you go first offense to first offense beyond yours or my person opinion.

Are you willing to put cough syrup on the list as potential to do harm when driving? How about fat or tobacco? Those two do major damage. No, they don't necessarily hamper driving, but if we're talking about just "damage" to the human, then you can't ignore these as well.

Then again...Fat can make you sleepy, so don't drive after eating a big pizza. And my ex-wife divorced me because I was too fat. It broke up the family. JK

BTW, Hearst (the newspaper magnet) incriminated pot by communicating rediculous, fabricated stories of super-aggressive killings caused by the drug. Poppy cock. Those who have ever taken the drug know that pot tends to subdue a person -- not make them a homicidal maniac. And this is the very reason why we don't want our players to smoke the stuff lmao :icon_lol:

[johnkyblue]

EVERYTHING that is illegal is illegal for a reason HEHEHEHE.

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/1222/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

Reasons:


Racism
Fear
Protection of Corporate Profits
Yellow Journalism
Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators
Personal Career Advancement and Greed

[BLUE-K]

Hey John, that link is bad.

[BLUE-K]

Well, I found it, but it looks like the same address. Let's see if it works...

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

Yep, it works. Thanks for the link, John.

[John Clay Rice Jr.]

Whenever Pot is legal or not I would not do it.

[jwade]

Seeing as how this thread has morphed into something not football related, I'm closing it.


Jim