Whoa.........we're getting a bit ahead

[billoliver40]

Let's hold on for a bit with the condemnation of Curtis Pulley.

I don't know if anyone has ALL the facts. Media tends to get a bit over
ambitious at times...as well as mis-stating some things.

I have no doubts that there are some police records about the stops for
CP. What I really don't know is if the coaching staff was truly in the dark
about this. Could be that's where some of the statements about needing to improve on leadership were coming from about Curtis Pulley.

If the coaches WERE aware of this, they wouldn't have gone to the media
with it. If they truly were NOT aware until this weekend, we will probably
hear about a quick resolution to the situation Monday or so.

The thing I think we CAN be disturbed about is that Curtis is not showing
much in the way of decent judgement about situations he gets in.
For that matter, the same mistake applies to Will F

I'm disappointed, but I'm going to hold off and see what decisions the
coaching staff comes up with...this might not be as much news as we
had thought.

[Redlegs]

Perhaps Pulley had to miss a few workouts to tend to his personal issues. Perhaps that's what led to Joker's comments about leadership. Maybe they knew, maybe they didn't. Either way, Pulley plead guilty to possession of an illegal substance. All this with a starting QB job on the line in the SEC. This case is closed, IMO.

[jpay]

Coach is a fair man. I leave it to him to make the right call and will have no problem with his decision whatever it may be.....

[Matt Dillon]

[QUOTE=billoliver40;484009]

If the coaches WERE aware of this, they wouldn't have gone to the media
with it. If they truly were NOT aware until this weekend, we will probably
hear about a quick resolution to the situation Monday or so.

LEX18 quoted coach Brooks as saying he wasn't aware of Pulley's drug citation until LEX18 broke the story. If he said that, I believe him. Coach Brooks is a very straight shooter in my opinion.

[poodoo]

[quote=billoliver40;484009]



LEX18 quoted coach Brooks as saying he wasn't aware of Pulley's drug citation until LEX18 broke the story. If he said that, I believe him. Coach Brooks is a very straight shooter in my opinion.

EXACTLY, Matt.

Also, Larry Vaught was just sharing this morning how Coach Brooks had RAVED about his team's CHARACTER at the Governor's Cup, pointing out that NONE of his players had gotten into trouble and how PROUD he is of them. That talk had been continued at the SEC Media Days. Coach Brooks is indeed known for his honesty and "straight shooting." I don't believe for a minute that Coach Brooks would have been making those statements if he had KNOWN about Pulley's drug citation.

In regard to Coach Phillips' earlier comments about Hartline's possibly leading in the leadership area, that does NOT make me at all think that there had been any knowledge of the marijuana incident. Think about it. Curtis Pulley CHOSE to drive while smoking a marijuana cigarette. To me, that choses a lack of maturity and leadership that surely revealed itself in other ways that were visible to the coaches.

Yes, I believe Coach Brooks and think that the coaching staff was indeed "in the dark" in regard to the marijuana possession. Further, IF the coaching staff themselves had previously caught Curtis smoking pot, for example, I feel rather certain they would have "laid down the law," meaning any more such happenings would be the end of his aspirations to be the team's leader at quarterback. SO, even if the staff had been aware of any past marijuana usage (before the June incident), there is NOTHING to indicate they had known about the June arrest, and definitely to the contrary as based on Coach's words.

That's just some speculation on my part, too, though, and speculation means nothing. :) Most of all, though, I really hope we fans are careful not to speculate in regard to whether Coach Brooks was being truthful. With no offense intended toward anyone, I say that Coach deserves better than that from us fans. By the way, someone (possibly Dick Gabriel, but I'm not sure) made the comment that Coach Brooks "was madder than a wet hen" when he learned Friday afternoon of Pulley's June arrest through a call from a media member. Vaught thought an even greater problem for Pulley might be that he had not told Brooks about that June arrest.

Like you others, I just trust Coach Brooks to make the right decision in regard to Pulley. Again, though, the bad judgement Curtis has shown SO disappoints me. :icon_sad:

P.S. I have just read on another thread that the details of that marijuana possession are being questioned. In my original post here I had shared only what the CJ had reported. The CJ's Saturday article had stated that a policeman had pulled Curtis over BECAUSE he had noticed Curtis smoking a marijuana cigarette WHILE driving. IF the CJ has inaccurately reported in that regard, .... Well, no icons are available for the edits. Surely, their information came directly from the police report. ??? Yes, I'm wanting to hear more now, frankly.

[billoliver40]

You guys are right....I was pretty much grasping at straws, and wondering how a kid that had all the gifts and advantages he had been given to
make such a series of mistakes.

Never meant to imply any dishonesty on the coaching staff's part.

Whether the MJ charge is questioned or not is pretty irrelevant. Apparently this was a done deal...already on diversion. The stop for
a suspended license was the one I heard being talked about.

At any rate, Curtis has not shown very good judgement. His is a high profile position with a lot of eyes on him all the time. He had spoken once
before about the pressure of Mr.Football/ the hopes of his community
being on him... having difficulty with all the attention on him.

Some folks are not cut for success.

I anticipate coach Brooks announcing a decision to the public sometime
Monday afternoon after addressing the Pulley family and the UK team.
The decision could be anything from a two game suspension to
release from the team.....depending on what other factors are involved.

[poodoo]

You guys are right....I was pretty much grasping at straws, and wondering how a kid that had all the gifts and advantages he had been given to
make such a series of mistakes.

Never meant to imply any dishonesty on the coaching staff's part.

Whether the MJ charge is questioned or not is pretty irrelevant. Apparently this was a done deal...already on diversion. The stop for
a suspended license was the one I heard being talked about.

At any rate, Curtis has not shown very good judgement. His is a high profile position with a lot of eyes on him all the time. He had spoken once
before about the pressure of Mr.Football/ the hopes of his community
being on him... having difficulty with all the attention on him.

Some folks are not cut for success.

I anticipate coach Brooks announcing a decision to the public sometime
Monday afternoon after addressing the Pulley family and the UK team.
The decision could be anything from a two game suspension to
release from the team.....depending on what other factors are involved.

Nice post, billoliver40.

Too, I think everyone here agrees that Pulley has shown very poor judgement, judgement that is most disappointing to his coaches, his teammates, and us fans. Further, if the details that have been published in the CJ are accurate, I think we can all be sure that Coach Brooks will show some tough LOVE (and I intentionally use that word as Coach Brooks loves his players like sons) in regard to the punishment. I would be most surprised if there were no suspension from games and, unlike many posters, I would also be most surprised if Curtis were dismissed from the team.

Most of all, it is NOT our decision to make. As I just posted on another thread, may we fans just wait for the judicial system and the coaches to do THEIR jobs.

[johnkyblue]

Something that was said on a thread that was closed - "Pulley Plead Guilty".

Well, no he didn't according to the last article on the subject. He didn't even plead 'no contest'. He plead something kinda new to me, a diversion thing that I'm less familiar with.

[SBCatMan]

I read elsewhere that a routine "guily plea" was a necessary requirement for the diversion process. If so, then that explains a lot. And I definitely think we are getting way ahead of ourselves and jumping to some dangerous conclusions.

[sardiscat]

"I read elsewhere that a routine "guily plea" was a necessary requirement for the diversion process."

A guilty plea to what charge, though? Smoking a joint while driving falls under the category of DUI. Being in the same car with somebody who has a joint is possession. I don't know about Kentucky, but in Tennessee you can't get diversion for a DUI.

To me, the worst thing Pulley did was not tell the coach about these things. Both charges are small potatos. Not things you want to hear about concerning a guy under consideration to be your first team QB, but these are not big deal offenses.

[johnkyblue]

For those of you interested, more about this can be typed out on this thread:

http://www.wildcatnation.net/forum/showthread.php?t=44377

without the thread getting closed. It's in the Politics Forum. The Politics Forum is guarded by a necessary 'group membership'. To join the group, select 'User CP', under 'Networking' select 'Group Memberships', and there is a radio button to join.