Where did Kentucky Mr. Basketballs play college basketball?

[The Old School JPS]

I hope this is the proper forum for this thread.

I was wondering if, collectively, we could establish where every Kentucky Mr. Basketball played college basketball.

Mr. Basketball Award
Year Player (School)

1956 Kelly Coleman (Wayland) - Kentucky Wesleyan (accepted West Virginia scholarship, didn't play there)
1957 Billy Ray Lickert (Lafayette) - Kentucky
1958 Ralph Richardson (Russell Co.) - Eastern Kentucky
and Harry Todd (Earlington) - Western Kentucky
1959 Pat Doyle (North Marshall) - Kentucky
1960 Jeff Mullins (Lafayette) - Duke
1961 Randy Embrey (Owensboro) - Kentucky
1962 Mike Silliman (St. Xavier) - Army
1963 Mike Redd (Seneca) - Kentucky Wesleyan (after stint in the Army)
1964 Wesley Unseld (Seneca) - Louisville
1965 Butch Beard (Breckinridge Co.) - Louisville
1966 Mike Casey (Shelby Co.) - Kentucky
1967 Jim McDaniels (Allen Co.) - Western Kentucky
1968 Terry Davis (Shelby Co.) - Western Kentucky
1969 Ron King (Central) - Florida State
1970 Robert Brooks (Richmond Madison) -
1971 Jimmy Dan Conner (Anderson Co.) - Kentucky
1972 Jerry Thurston (Owensboro) - Mercer
1973 Wesley Cox (Male) - Louisville
1974 Jack Givens (Bryan Station) - Kentucky
1975 Dom Fucci (Tates Creek) - Auburn
1976 Darrell Griffith (Male) - Louisville
1977 Jeff Lamp (Ballard) - Virginia
1978 Doug Schloemer (Holmes) - Cincinnati
1979 Dirk Minniefield (Lafayette) - Kentucky
1980 Ervin Stepp (Phelps) - Eastern Kentucky (transferred to Alice Lloyd)
1981 Phil Cox (Cawood) - Vanderbilt
1982 Todd May (Virgie) - Kentucky (transferred to Wake Forest)
1983 Winston Bennett (Male) - Kentucky
1984 Steve Miller (Henry Clay) - Western Kentucky
1985 Tony Kimbro (Seneca) - Louisville
1986 Rex Chapman (Apollo) - Kentucky
1987 John Pelphrey (Paintsville) - Kentucky
1988 Richie Farmer (Clay Co.) - Kentucky
1989 Allan Houston (Ballard) - Tennessee
1990 Dwayne Morton (Central) - Louisville
1991 Jermaine Brown (Fairdale) - Tennessee
1992 Tick Rogers (Hart Co.) - Louisville
1993 Jason Osborne (Male) - Louisville
1994 Elton Scott (Marion Co.) - Sullivan
1995 Charles Thomas (Harlan) - Minnesota
1996 Daymeon Fishback (Greenwood) - Auburn
1997 Brandon Davenport (Owensboro) - Lindsey Wilson
1998 J. R. VanHoose (Paintsville) - Marshall
1999 Rick Jones (Scott Co.) - Vanderbilt
2000 Scott Hundley (Scott Co.) - Vanderbilt
2001 Josh Carrier (Bowling Green) - Kentucky
2002 Brandon Stockton (Glasgow) - Kentucky
2003 Ross Neltner (Highlands) - LSU (transferred to Vanderbilt)
2004 Chris Lofton (Mason County) - Tennessee
2005 Domonic Tilford (Jeffersontown) - Cincinnati

How about Robert Brooks (1970) - where did he play college basketball? Is he the only one we are missing?

[Terry L. Wildcat]

:cool:Wow and thank you so much for the list...are you thinking of Clifford Rozier who transfered from North Carolina to Louisville?

[cumberlandredskin]

IIRC Ervin Stepp started out at Eastern Ky then transferred to Alice Llyod College to finish his basketball career.

[BOURBON TOWN CAT FAN]

Neltner transfered to Vandy

[The Old School JPS]

Terry L. Wildcat wrote: :cool:Wow and thank you so much for the list...are you thinking of Clifford Rozier who transfered from North Carolina to Louisville?
Yes, that's the guy. Thanks Terry!

I'd love to get the list above completed. Maybe with some more help like what cumberlandredskin and BOURBON TOWN CAT FAN offered we can get it there. Thanks you two!

[cumberlandredskin]

Found this website that said Elton Scott went to Sullivan Junior College. No other information on whetherif he went anywhere else.



http://www.mchs.marion.k12.ky.us/National%20Champions/



I think Dom Fuccisigned with UK but never played any here. Seems like I read that he quit basketball to play baseball. But not at all sure about that.

[Aaron]

Dom Fucci went to Auburn University to play both basketball and baseball. I believe after a year or so he gave basketball and just played baseball at Auburn.Dom was was drafted by the Chicago White Sox in 1979 as a 1b and/or Outfielder. I do not know what happen with his baseball career after he was drafted.

His dad (Dom Sr.) played football for UK in the early 50s while Bear Bryant was the coach. Also Dom Sr. was a assistant football coach at UK for a few years, the years escape my memory right now.

[BOURBON TOWN CAT FAN]

Scott played at Sullivan College, I'm not sure if he transfered anywhere though. Steve Miller, I believe, played at Western KY.

[Wildcat Larry]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Miller played at Western Kentucky.

[Wildcat Larry]

Interesting that Pitino never signed a Kentucky Mr. Basketball. I don't think it means anything, but it is interesting.

[The Old School JPS]

cumberlandredskin, Aaron, BOURBON TOWN CAT Fan and Wildcat Larry - thanks. I'll make changes above.

Aaron, I think Dom Fucci Sr. played in the NFL briefly.

That is an interesting observation, Larry, about Pitino not signing a Kentucky Mr. Basketball. Was Scott Padgett the only high school player from Kentucky that Pitino recruited and landed with a scholarship while he was the coach here?

Travis Ford and Derek Anderson transferred to UK while Pitino was the coach. Jody Thompson, Chris Harrison, Anthony Epps and Todd Bearup were on his teams, but were they on scholarship to begin, or did any of them ever have a scholarship besides Epps? There were a couple of other walk ons from Kentucky (Cameron Mills and Jason Lathrem) but I guess that's it.

If Padgett was the only Kentucky kid Pitino brought to UK with a scholarship, that's kind of funny, because at the time I didn't see why he brought him to UK, even moreso after he flunked out. Then he ended up being a big part of a national title (and runner up) and having a successful NBA career.

[The Old School JPS]

An interesting thing about this list:two of the most legendary players, the ones that were said to be so much better than their competitors at the time, didn't shine afterward forunfortunate reasons. There are at least three later winnersfor whom things might have turned out differently, too.

King Kelly Coleman was going to play for West Virginia but Rupp turned him in for getting a free Cadillac, so he ended up at Kentucky Wesleyan. He was a star there and put up crazy numbers (including against some major conference teams) and left early for the NBA draft but his drinking (which had been heavy since high school days) and other lack of self control (weight) kept him from being a star as a pro. That new biography of him also chalks up some of it to his attitude at the time, which his NBA coach disliked very much.

Mike Redd was the star of that Seneca team despite Wes Unseld's presence. He was on high school All American lists with the likes of (IIRC) Lew Alcindor. He went to the Army after high school instead of to college, and when he came back he was nowhere near as athletic, high-jumping, quick, etc. People who saw him play said he was just unreal.

Winston Bennett was a very good player and I wonder how much better he could have been without the knee surgery (was there more than one surgery?).

Charles Thomas was supposed to be a really good player but his back problems/injury cut his career short. After leaving Minnesota because of it, didn't he try to play again with Eastern Kentucky or Morehead?

Rick Jones' off the court problems cut short his career at Vanderbilt (and kept him from getting an offer to UK, people said at the time).

J. R. VanHoose: not really in the same category as those above but I want to throw out a question about him. How do you think he would have done had he come to UK? I never understood why Todd Tackett and J. P. Blevins got scholarships to UK and VanHoose didn't. I don't know that VanHoose would have been a star but I think he probably would have been more of a contributor than Blevins or Tackett (Tackett, for sure).

[Lost Highway]

From the mid 1950's to the 80's Kentucky high school basketball put out more than a few nice players. Some of them were great, great players. Since that time it has been down hill as far as quality goes. I can't understand what happened unless few kids are playing basketball anymore.

The 2000's haven't produced much in talent, at least not enough to make UK a Top 25 team. Kentucky must go out of state to field a winning team. Kentucky is not Louisiana.

[The Old School JPS]

There have been many good Kentucky high school basketball players since the 1980s. I can think of several and I know I'm missing many. Derek Anderson, Anthony Epps, Marquis Estill, Scott Padgett, Rajon Rondo, Patrick Sparks, Isiah Victor and Chris Lofton would be a good place to start.

[The Old School JPS]

A handful more: Charles Thomas (back injury ended his career early), J. R. VanHoose (not a college superstar but a decent player), Damian Fishback (also not a star but a decent player), Rick Jones (off court problems derailed his career), Dontae Smith (drafted by the NBA without playing college basketball).

O.J. Mayo was playing basketball here too before moving elsewhere.

[Lost Highway]

The Old School JPS wrote: There have been many good Kentucky high school basketball players since the 1980s. I can think of several and I know I'm missing many. Derek Anderson, Anthony Epps, Marquis Estill, Scott Padgett, Rajon Rondo, Patrick Sparks, Isiah Victor and Chris Lofton would be a good place to start.

I think you make my point. These are good players but none of them are great. States surrounding Kentucky, with the exception of West Virginia, have much better talent than this. Kentucky high school talent is pretty lean in today's basketball world. That was not true 30 or 40 years ago.

[CARDSRTOAST]

The Old School JPS wrote: An interesting thing about this list:two of the most legendary players, the ones that were said to be so much better than their competitors at the time, didn't shine afterward forunfortunate reasons. There are at least three later winnersfor whom things might have turned out differently, too.

King Kelly Coleman was going to play for West Virginia but Rupp turned him in for getting a free Cadillac, so he ended up at Kentucky Wesleyan. He was a star there and put up crazy numbers (including against some major conference teams) and left early for the NBA draft but his drinking (which had been heavy since high school days) and other lack of self control (weight) kept him from being a star as a pro. That new biography of him also chalks up some of it to his attitude at the time, which his NBA coach disliked very much.

Mike Redd was the star of that Seneca team despite Wes Unseld's presence. He was on high school All American lists with the likes of (IIRC) Lew Alcindor. He went to the Army after high school instead of to college, and when he came back he was nowhere near as athletic, high-jumping, quick, etc. People who saw him play said he was just unreal.

Winston Bennett was a very good player and I wonder how much better he could have been without the knee surgery (was there more than one surgery?).

Charles Thomas was supposed to be a really good player but his back problems/injury cut his career short. After leaving Minnesota because of it, didn't he try to play again with Eastern Kentucky or Morehead?

Rick Jones' off the court problems cut short his career at Vanderbilt (and kept him from getting an offer to UK, people said at the time).

J. R. VanHoose: not really in the same category as those above but I want to throw out a question about him. How do you think he would have done had he come to UK? I never understood why Todd Tackett and J. P. Blevins got scholarships to UK and VanHoose didn't. I don't know that VanHoose would have been a star but I think he probably would have been more of a contributor than Blevins or Tackett (Tackett, for sure).
Winston Bennett only had 1 knee surgery

[Littlemeyer]

The Old School JPS wrote: A handful more: Charles Thomas (back injury ended his career early), J. R. VanHoose (not a college superstar but a decent player), Damian Fishback (also not a star but a decent player), Rick Jones (off court problems derailed his career), Dontae Smith (drafted by the NBA without playing college basketball).

O.J. Mayo was playing basketball here too before moving elsewhere.



And some more...

Isiah Victor, Lamont Barnes, Greg Buckner all from UHA
Dan Langhi from Marshall County

There was another guy from Marshall County whose name I cannot recall. He, like Langhi, played for Vanderbilt. He was probably at Vandy in the late 80's or early 90's. Anyone???

[KATZRKING]

Littlemeyer wrote: The Old School JPS wrote: A handful more: Charles Thomas (back injury ended his career early), J. R. VanHoose (not a college superstar but a decent player), Damian Fishback (also not a star but a decent player), Rick Jones (off court problems derailed his career), Dontae Smith (drafted by the NBA without playing college basketball).

O.J. Mayo was playing basketball here too before moving elsewhere.



And some more...

Isiah Victor, Lamont Barnes, Greg Buckner all from UHA
Dan Langhi from Marshall County

There was another guy from Marshall County whose name I cannot recall. He, like Langhi, played for Vanderbilt. He was probably at Vandy in the late 80's or early 90's. Anyone??? Aaron Beth

[catman4life]

An interesting thing about this list:two of the most legendary players, the ones that were said to be so much better than their competitors at the time, didn't shine afterward forunfortunate reasons. There are at least three later winnersfor whom things might have turned out differently, too.

King Kelly Coleman was going to play for West Virginia but Rupp turned him in for getting a free Cadillac, so he ended up at Kentucky Wesleyan. He was a star there and put up crazy numbers (including against some major conference teams) and left early for the NBA draft but his drinking (which had been heavy since high school days) and other lack of self control (weight) kept him from being a star as a pro. That new biography of him also chalks up some of it to his attitude at the time, which his NBA coach disliked very much.

Mike Redd was the star of that Seneca team despite Wes Unseld's presence. He was on high school All American lists with the likes of (IIRC) Lew Alcindor. He went to the Army after high school instead of to college, and when he came back he was nowhere near as athletic, high-jumping, quick, etc. People who saw him play said he was just unreal.

Winston Bennett was a very good player and I wonder how much better he could have been without the knee surgery (was there more than one surgery?).

Charles Thomas was supposed to be a really good player but his back problems/injury cut his career short. After leaving Minnesota because of it, didn't he try to play again with Eastern Kentucky or Morehead?

Rick Jones' off the court problems cut short his career at Vanderbilt (and kept him from getting an offer to UK, people said at the time).

J. R. VanHoose: not really in the same category as those above but I want to throw out a question about him. How do you think he would have done had he come to UK? I never understood why Todd Tackett and J. P. Blevins got scholarships to UK and VanHoose didn't. I don't know that VanHoose would have been a star but I think he probably would have been more of a contributor than Blevins or Tackett (Tackett, for sure).




Charles did not try basketball anymore after he left Minnesota. He did play one year of baseball at EKU which further increased his back problems. He then had surgery to repair deteriorated disks. He is now a supervisor for corrections officers for Fayette Co. Detention Center. People forget he was an unbelieveable baseball player. He could throw the ball(pitch) as good as any I have played with, against or seen play. I watched him no-hit Cawood in the district finals his junior year. I had a great view from the bench.


Catman4life - HHS c/o '96

[The Old School JPS]

Lost Highway wrote: The Old School JPS wrote: There have been many good Kentucky high school basketball players since the 1980s. I can think of several and I know I'm missing many. Derek Anderson, Anthony Epps, Marquis Estill, Scott Padgett, Rajon Rondo, Patrick Sparks, Isiah Victor and Chris Lofton would be a good place to start.

I think you make my point. These are good players but none of them are great. States surrounding Kentucky, with the exception of West Virginia, have much better talent than this. Kentucky high school talent is pretty lean in today's basketball world. That was not true 30 or 40 years ago.



Are you kidding me? Derek Anderson is not a great player? First team All American (prior to the knee injury, consensus) and double digit scoring in the NBAfor about 10 years now? Scott Padgett, with the NCAA tourney honors and NBA career he has had? Langhi, SEC Player of the Year? Rondo, a likely first round NBA draft pick? None of these players are great, and surrounding states including West Virginia produce better players?

Let's see your West Virginia list, or your Missouri list, or your Tennessee or Indiana lists. Make them for Illinois or Ohio too if you want even though they each have populations three times that of Kentucky and cities like Chicago, Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati.

[The Old School JPS]

CARDSRTOAST wrote: Winston Bennett only had 1 knee surgery
Did he not have a second knee surgery while in the NBA?

[The Old School JPS]

Littlemeyer wrote: The Old School JPS wrote: A handful more: Charles Thomas (back injury ended his career early), J. R. VanHoose (not a college superstar but a decent player), Damian Fishback (also not a star but a decent player), Rick Jones (off court problems derailed his career), Dontae Smith (drafted by the NBA without playing college basketball).

O.J. Mayo was playing basketball here too before moving elsewhere.



And some more...

Isiah Victor, Lamont Barnes, Greg Buckner all from UHA
Dan Langhi from Marshall County

There was another guy from Marshall County whose name I cannot recall. He, like Langhi, played for Vanderbilt. He was probably at Vandy in the late 80's or early 90's. Anyone???


Vanderbilt's two time All SEC player Barry Goheen - the guy who beat U of L with that half-court buzzer-beater -also played at Marshall County. (He won several other games with last second shots and also hit 8 straight free throws at Georgia on consecutive technical fouls given to Hugh Durham.)

[The Old School JPS]

catman4life wrote: Charles did not try basketball anymore after he left Minnesota. He did play one year of baseball at EKU which further increased his back problems. He then had surgery to repair deteriorated disks. He is now a supervisor for corrections officers for Fayette Co. Detention Center. People forget he was an unbelieveable baseball player. He could throw the ball(pitch) as good as any I have played with, against or seen play. I watched him no-hit Cawood in the district finals his junior year. I had a great view from the bench.


Catman4life - HHS c/o '96

I didn't know he was such a good baseball player.

I remembered seeing something in the paper about him going to EKU and I thought he was going to try to play basketball there, but I guess it didn't work out that way. I'm glad he's doing fine now though.

[BowlingGreenUKGrad]

I'm not sure if he ever played at Wake Forest, but I do know Todd May ended his career with Pikeville College. He is second on that school's all-time scoring list. Also on that list is former UK player Jody Thompson.

http://athletics.pc.edu/alltimestatistics/index.htm

[Zakk Wyldcat]

The Old School JPS wrote: cumberlandredskin, Aaron, BOURBON TOWN CAT Fan and Wildcat Larry - thanks. I'll make changes above.

Aaron, I think Dom Fucci Sr. played in the NFL briefly.

That is an interesting observation, Larry, about Pitino not signing a Kentucky Mr. Basketball. Was Scott Padgett the only high school player from Kentucky that Pitino recruited and landed with a scholarship while he was the coach here?

Travis Ford and Derek Anderson transferred to UK while Pitino was the coach. Jody Thompson, Chris Harrison, Anthony Epps and Todd Bearup were on his teams, but were they on scholarship to begin, or did any of them ever have a scholarship besides Epps? There were a couple of other walk ons from Kentucky (Cameron Mills and Jason Lathrem) but I guess that's it.

If Padgett was the only Kentucky kid Pitino brought to UK with a scholarship, that's kind of funny, because at the time I didn't see why he brought him to UK, even moreso after he flunked out. Then he ended up being a big part of a national title (and runner up) and having a successful NBA career.Thompson & Harrison were scholarship players out of high school. Of course, Thompson only lasted for one semester. Transferred to Pikeville, I believe.

[BowlingGreenUKGrad]

I'm 99 percent certain Jody Thompson walked on at UK.

[Littlemeyer]

The Old School JPS wrote: Vanderbilt's two time All SEC player Barry Goheen - the guy who beat U of L with that half-court buzzer-beater -also played at Marshall County. (He won several other games with last second shots and also hit 8 straight free throws at Georgia on consecutive technical fouls given to Hugh Durham.)

YES! Barry Goheen...that's who I was thinking of. Thanks!

[Buddah]

The Old School JPS wrote: J. R. VanHoose: not really in the same category as those above but I want to throw out a question about him. How do you think he would have done had he come to UK? I never understood why Todd Tackett and J. P. Blevins got scholarships to UK and VanHoose didn't. I don't know that VanHoose would have been a star but I think he probably would have been more of a contributor than Blevins or Tackett (Tackett, for sure).



He would have been a good player here. just as much of a contribtor as Camera and even Estill. JR knew how to win, those are things you can't teach, a player just has them or he doesn't... I don't know if he would be an all american, but who really going to compare him against, consider who was here and how they were playing at the time... IF Rick had stayed a few more years, he would have offered J.R., i believe.

[Zakk Wyldcat]

BowlingGreenUKGrad wrote: I'm 99 percent certain Jody Thompson walked on at UK.
You're right. Per The Cats' Pause 1990-91 Basketball Yearbook, Thompson walked on with a promise of a scholarship for the '91-'92 season.

[Lost Highway]

The Old School JPS wrote: Lost Highway wrote: The Old School JPS wrote: There have been many good Kentucky high school basketball players since the 1980s. I can think of several and I know I'm missing many. Derek Anderson, Anthony Epps, Marquis Estill, Scott Padgett, Rajon Rondo, Patrick Sparks, Isiah Victor and Chris Lofton would be a good place to start.

I think you make my point. These are good players but none of them are great. States surrounding Kentucky, with the exception of West Virginia, have much better talent than this. Kentucky high school talent is pretty lean in today's basketball world. That was not true 30 or 40 years ago.



Are you kidding me? Derek Anderson is not a great player? First team All American (prior to the knee injury, consensus) and double digit scoring in the NBAfor about 10 years now? Scott Padgett, with the NCAA tourney honors and NBA career he has had? Langhi, SEC Player of the Year? Rondo, a likely first round NBA draft pick? None of these players are great, and surrounding states including West Virginia produce better players?

Let's see your West Virginia list, or your Missouri list, or your Tennessee or Indiana lists. Make them for Illinois or Ohio too if you want even though they each have populations three times that of Kentucky and cities like Chicago, Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati.

No, Derek Anderson was a very good player but not a great one. You throw the great word around like it applies to everyone who may have made All American or made the pros. I save it for Hall of Fame players like Wes Unseld and Cliff Hagan. They were great. Rondo is yet to be judged. Scott Padgett, Langhi? Come on man, keep it real and don't get silly. I said great.

If you read my post you will see I said with the exception of West Virginia but now that you mention it I guess I will have to add Jerry West, Hot Rod and Rod Thorn as some pretty good West Virginia players. Jerry West was as good as any player ever produced from Kentucky. But youprobably don't remember those players. Are you sure you want me to list players from Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, Tennessee and Virginia. It will not be pretty. Jerry Lucas, the Big O, I can go on.

Come on get real, Kentucky has nice basketball players. Most are fundamentally sound but you're dreaming if you think Kentucky can win even an SEC title recruiting Kentucky boys. They could back in the day of Adolph but not today. Your little state has a proud basketball heritage, don't cheapen it by throwing out some nonsense about Kentucky producing great players. You all produce some good players and that should make you proud.

[Lost Highway]

Having made the above comments please allow me to add the following. Kentucky does produce, even in today's age, great high school football players. In factI submit the high school football players are better than their brothers in the roundball sport.

[The Old School JPS]

Lost Highway wrote: No, Derek Anderson was a very good player but not a great one. You throw the great word around like it applies to everyone who may have made All American or made the pros. I save it for Hall of Fame players like Wes Unseld and Cliff Hagan. They were great. Rondo is yet to be judged. Scott Padgett, Langhi? Come on man, keep it real and don't get silly. I said great.

If you read my post you will see I said with the exception of West Virginia but now that you mention it I guess I will have to add Jerry West, Hot Rod and Rod Thorn as some pretty good West Virginia players. Jerry West was as good as any player ever produced from Kentucky. But youprobably don't remember those players. Are you sure you want me to list players from Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, Tennessee and Virginia. It will not be pretty. Jerry Lucas, the Big O, I can go on.

Come on get real, Kentucky has nice basketball players. Most are fundamentally sound but you're dreaming if you think Kentucky can win even an SEC title recruiting Kentucky boys. They could back in the day of Adolph but not today. Your little state has a proud basketball heritage, don't cheapen it by throwing out some nonsense about Kentucky producing great players. You all produce some good players and that should make you proud.

Your earlier posts talked about players produced since the 1980s, now you're talking about Jerry West, Jerry Lucas and Oscar Robertson?

We could have a very fun discussion about great players who played high school basketball in Kentucky and neighboring states going way, way back. It would be fun and maybe it deserves its own thread. But that's not what you were talking about earlier.

Here,you were talking about Kentucky's production of basketball talent since the 1980s.The players I named, I categorized as good, not great.You brought up the difference between good and greatand I named a few who were in fact great college players in their time. In 1996 and 1997 few would dispute that Derek Anderson was a great college player. In 1997 and 1998 few would dispute that Scott Padgett was a great college player. Their subsequent NBA success makes that more obvious IMO, as not all college stars are solid pros (Langhi maybe being a decent example). If you don't think they are great,fine, but I'd like to knowhow many high school players from neighboring states since the 1980s you think were better college basketball players than Anderson, Padgett, Langhi, Rondo etc.

Nobody anywhere in this thread said anything about UK relying on Kentucky high school players, so I don't know why you bring that up.

I do agree with you about thehigh school football talent.Sadly, much of it goes out of state (often toneighboring states, to Ohio State and Tennessee in particular but also sometimes to schools like Notre Dame or Cincinnati,and alsoelsewhere like Michigan).

[Buddah]

I firmly believe King Kelly Coleman could have been one of the greatest, if not the greatest player UK ever had, but alas, it wasn't meant to be. Had he not been so dependent on alchol, no doubt he would have played professional basketball.